Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

2013-12-31 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so that 
we would have consistency across our network.   At this time last year, 
we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of services as 
part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for $49.95/month that 
included dialup and a public IP address sold next to a $49.95/month 4meg 
plan that did not have the dialup or public IP.   Most of the customers 
did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and we were starting to get 
2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan on our website that was 
2x the speed for the same price.   At the same time, we still had a lot 
of 384k and 640k plans with people who were complaining about YouTube 
not working, but they were reluctant to upgrade to the next package 
because our prices were not as competitive on the lower end with the 
1.5meg dsl bundles.


What we ended up doing was this:

1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at 
the same prices
2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
speeds for the same prices
3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
speed package with the public IP added to it
4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package that 
was automatically added to each customer account, but customers were 
given the choice of opting out of the plan


After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.


The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved to 
make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really 
strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the 
resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the 
ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a bunch of 
places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher 
bandwidth customers to other access points.   There were a lot of radio 
swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end result was 
better network performance and higher customer satisfaction.


We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on access 
points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP that has 
approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 10mhz 
channel).   When the process started, we had about 27 APs that would 
have been overloaded with the new plans. As of today, we have eight APs 
that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over.   When it 
comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we decided to 
make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on the access 
point was not exceeded.


Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining StarOS 
access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many old 
Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in places 
where capacity starts to get overloaded.   I am not looking forward to 
the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do and it will 
keep us competitive for the next few years.


Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014!

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote:
I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to existing 
customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get that service 
will beat on you to make some sort of change to get it to them, like a 
closer site.

*From:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
*Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2013 8:34 PM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Cc:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If you 
can't get at least the package you want we don't install you.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com 
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to 
offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 
or slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn't be able to promote 
these packages across the board. Was curious if others are offering 
packages to different areas that would not be possible in some? And 
if so, do you get any backlash from those who cannot get those 
packages? Is it appropriate to offer extended packages to users on 
one tower when another tower down the road 

Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

2013-12-31 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Why would you give customers a public IP?   That is nuts as far as I am 
concerned.   Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple towers, 
you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely separate 
for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route edge traffic 
to multiple backbone providers, you can move between backbone providers 
without having to re-ip all customers, customers are not exposed to 
external virus traffic...


I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome.   I see no 
reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Your customers don't get a public IP?

I'll never understand why people do this.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so 
that we would have consistency across our network.   At this time last 
year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of 
services as part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for 
$49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next to 
a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public IP.   
Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and 
we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan 
on our website that was 2x the speed for the same price.   At the same 
time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans with people who were 
complaining about YouTube not working, but they were reluctant to 
upgrade to the next package because our prices were not as competitive 
on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles.


What we ended up doing was this:

1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at 
the same prices
2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
speeds for the same prices
3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
speed package with the public IP added to it
4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package 
that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers 
were given the choice of opting out of the plan


After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.


The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved 
to make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really 
strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the 
resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the 
ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a bunch of 
places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher 
bandwidth customers to other access points.   There were a lot of 
radio swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end 
result was better network performance and higher customer satisfaction.


We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on 
access points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP 
that has approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 
10mhz channel).   When the process started, we had about 27 APs that 
would have been overloaded with the new plans.   As of today, we have 
eight APs that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over.   
When it comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we 
decided to make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on 
the access point was not exceeded.


Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining 
StarOS access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many 
old Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in 
places where capacity starts to get overloaded.   I am not looking 
forward to the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do 
and it will keep us competitive for the next few years.


Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014!

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote:

I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to
existing customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get

Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..

2012-12-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Not to shift the focus too much but

The environmentals were not the primary concern.   The environmentals 
were the loophole that a clever lawyer used to get the project stopped 
dead in its tracks.   At this point, I think WISPs that are being 
overbuilt by these kind of government supported boondoggles should be 
looking for the loopholes and building up community support for getting 
these kinds of projects stopped dead in their tracks or at a minimum 
restructured to be more open and useable by alternative providers such 
as WISPs.

I lost an anchor institution (school district) to EagleNet in Colorado, 
and the pricing structure to use their networks was a joke.   The lowest 
connection they sold was 300meg and it was going to be something like 
$2000/month to connect two points across their network.   It is open 
access in name only.

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com



On 12/7/2012 7:40 AM, chris cooper wrote:
 The important thing to remember is that each application had to be
 submitted with an environmental plan attached.  Winning applicants had
 their environmental documents submitted for environmental review and
 approval.  Awardees can't deviate from the approved environmental plan,
 at least not without additional environmental approvals from EPA, USFS,
 USFWS etc.  If they did indeed get hung up for environmental reasons
 this could have nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived or actual
 merits of the project.  If whatever they were doing caused them to
 violate the terms of an EIS or caused them to need to prepare an EIS
 then that alone is a show stopper.  The awarding agencies want these
 projects to get built but awardees have to follow the law.

 Chris Cooper
 Intelliwave

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
 Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for
 Colorado ISP's..

 At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it
 bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they
 were building where they weren't funded for.
 I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the
 ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite
 harmful.  However, the actual processes are probably a lot more
 details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing
 spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe.

 But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they
 were not supposed to.  They were apparently trying to reach their
 percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of
 eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western
 Colorado.  Only others had already built in the east, with REA
 funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west
 unserved.  ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but
 turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for
 Colorado ISP's..

 At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call
 from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner..
 Then I found the tweets..

 Cory's tweet
 Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner

 BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider
 EAGLE-Net
 due to ongoing concerns relating to compliance with grant rules
 The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site.  However, that
 site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now.  A copy was
 downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA
 (I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me.

 ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental
 grounds.  By not building where they had originally proposed, and by
 not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that
 they were building, they were in violation of the grant.  So they are
 frozen.  They can get permission to start building again if they can
 complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they
 are not in compliance with.  Of course the easiest way to do that
 would be to go back to the originally-approved plan.  You know, the
 one whose maps were redacted in the original public form of the
 application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the
 multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is
 it?
 :-)

 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:
 is there a news article or something???


 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 

Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

2011-11-29 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Rich,

You might want to take a look at the white paper that I recently 
produced for WISPA that highlights how WISPs are successful.   You can 
find it here:  http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252One of the 
things that makes WISPs successful is the use of fixed wireless, meaning 
the installation of high-gain antennas at the customer location.   This 
enables faster speeds and much higher reliability than dongle type 
installations.   The self-install business models look good on paper, 
but do not scale up well enough in the real world and that generally 
ruins the business model.   It doesn't really matter whether you use 
licensed spectrum or not.   Fixed wireless has many advantages over 
mobile broadband and the dongles and those advantages are going to 
become even more apparent as Internet utilization continues to increase 
and the mobile networks get more and more overloaded.


I would strongly encourage anyone on the list who hasn't read this paper 
yet to take 15 minutes and go through it.   I am directing people who 
are unfamiliar with WISPs to read this first and they come back with a 
much better understanding of what we do and how valuable it is to our 
communities.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 11/28/2011 6:24 PM, Rich _ wrote:

The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far.
I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still 
purchase and if so how much do the range in cost?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins 
m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:


Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed
frequency which they pay a premium for.

On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote:

What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a
connection using one of those 1x3 USB things?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

None that I know of.  Those are the companies like Clear and
OpenRange.  That model doesn't seem to financially or
operationally/technically work.

Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical
space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the
customer roof.  From the CPE side, a lot like satellite.  Low
profile but it is there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com
mailto:rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote:

How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are
they using something other than a WISP?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow
tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

Rich,
Given current gear, FCC regulations and available
spectrum, outside of
reselling cellular you are not going to going to find
anything you will
be able to reliable allow the customer to
self-install.  Trust me, there
are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to
figure that one out
since this industry started.

As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest
business model to
what you are looking for, and even with their deep
pockets and licensed
spectrum they are having a tough time making it work.
 And I think it is
precisely because they are choosing to go the route
that you are looking
for.

If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it
as traditional,
professionally installed fixed wireless setup they
would probably have a
working business model.  Sure their return on
investment would be higher
due to the installer cost, but if they took a
dish-network model to
getting installs done they would only be looking at
3-6 months break
even on the install cost and considering the amount
of money that has
already been poured into the business I would think
that would be a drop
in the bucket.

Rich _ wrote:
 Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA.

 But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on
where I'm located.
 I'm interested in finding a location that best
enables success for the
 business.

 Yes, I would be looked at as 

Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

2011-11-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
360networks has fiber capacity in Billings and will work with WISPs to 
get equipment colocated.They were recently acquired by Zayo, so you 
might try calling someone from Zayo to see if they can help you out.   
Tell them I sent you if you called.   I'm trying to get on their good side!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 11/7/2011 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Spend enough time on these lists and you'll discover that most services
 providers don't have a clue as to what is available around them.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/7/2011 11:44 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 You can also use the national broadband map and find out who offers service
 there. They may not be able to give you 100 meg but I would bet they know
 who can.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com
 www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

 Peruse the carrier maps and see what's in your area. I would love it if
 someone asked me for 100 megs.

 Check www.telecomramblings.com for links to maps.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/7/2011 10:22 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote:
 How do I go about finding a bandwidth provider? I have been tasked to
 find 100Megs of Internet and have exhausted all the options I know.
 What I have done so far is contact other ISP's in the area and asked
 them if they can get me Internet. So far everybody has said no because
 they can figure out a way to deliver it.

 So what I am asking what are some other avenues that I can explore to
 get bandwidth to this location? Generic advise is fine as I may have
 to do this once more for another site.

 I am purposely not saying the address on a public list but if that
 will help I can let you know off list.

 Thanks,
 _
 /-\ ndrew


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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

2011-10-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
We will find out tomorrow - FCC will release their USF plan on Thursday.

Let's hope that it will not fund this, but since Verizon and ATT run the 
telecom section of our government, I would not be surprised.

Matt Larsen
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On 10/26/2011 11:18 AM, Matt wrote:
 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Confirms-New-Home-LTE-Service-116721

 Will USF funds or other subsidies fund this?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

2011-10-25 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you.

As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality 
does not apply to you.   You paid for it, you can do what you want with it.


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On 10/25/2011 4:46 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote:


Hi there,


Just got off the phone with my FCC attorney and the Net Neutrality 
rules are back on and we are to comply by Nov. 20th.  Has anyone done 
anything regarding this, we are working on it but would like to know 
what others are doing.  Let me know.


Thanks

Tony Iacopi

831-902-0700

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Re: [WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

2011-10-13 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Fixed now.

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On 10/13/2011 8:09 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 There is no http service running on the server.

 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
 li...@manageisp.com  wrote:
 Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.



 http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true





 We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas

 later.   This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today.



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[WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

2011-10-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true


We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas

later.This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today.

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Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

2011-09-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

What kind of distances can you get from 11ghz with 4' dishes?

Matt Larsen
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On 9/30/2011 2:14 PM, Charles Wu wrote:


Itsnice to see products comming out like APEX9, enabling $6900/link 
pricing standard, which are fully feauture rich to latest standards.


You're a little high on the price -- it's $6500 for a full link (and 
that's the rack rate for a single link =)


That price includes high power (e.g., +28 dBm for 11 GHz)

The Apex9 Radios also support compression -- in our testing, we got 
~390 Mbps full duplex with 64 byte packets


-Charles

- Original Message -

*From:*Blake Covarrubias mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

We have quite a few Trango licensed radios. They work well.
Latency is usually under 1ms for each hop.


-- 


Blake Covarrubias


On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:16, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

Most if not all of the licensed backhauls are very solid and
very good.  I have a SAF link that is working well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Marco Coelho
coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

Exalt has a nice product line.  How much bandwidth and how far
are you trying to go are good places to start.

mc

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, John M. Nix
j...@cnetworksolutions.com
mailto:j...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:

We are thinking of changing our core backhaul from 5.8 Ghz
to a Licensed solution.  Just wondering what the most cost
effective solution would be without losing a great deal of
quality.

John Nix

CSWEB Support Team

www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net

918-235-0414 tel:918-235-0414

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT

2011-09-23 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Mobile wireless systems cannot deliver the speeds and network 
performance that is needed to take full advantage of 
broadband.Smartphones and mobile wireless networks have their places, 
but they are not, and will never be, a substitute for a fixed wireless 
or wireline broadband system.


Matt Larsen
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On 9/23/2011 3:25 PM, Robert Canary wrote:

True. However, one buys the better longer-lasting gear, at a significant 
price increase.  And within the 2 years {just as they get it all paid for}, the demand 
changes, the new systems work faster, and you end up spending all your business putting 
money into the manufactures and retailer's pockets.  I have been doing this for 12 years. 
 Trust me . spend your big bucks on the backhaul systems and internal infrastructure. 
 Go absolutely as cheap as you can for access points and CPE.

In another 10 years it will not matter anyway.  *Everything* will be done 
through you're cell phone.  Blue tooth to your laptop and to the internet you 
go @ 4Meg speeds.

Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice

- Original Message -

There are other considerations besides cost.  It's important to
consider total cost of ownership. What devices cost you the least to
put up?  How does that square up with longevity?  What causes the
fewest repeat truck rolls and gives the greatest customer experience?
How does it scale across a large network?

Thanks,

Chris Cooper

On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jch...@tritontelephone.com wrote:


I'm not knocking motorola. It has it's place. (god knows I loved my
startac:) but for the money ubnt makes Norte sense.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Robert Canary
rwcan...@mchn39.ocdirect.net

wrote:
I know this is bogus.  I ran Motorola and it was the worst system
I
had ever deployed.  I thought I was doing great, until I started
runnng AirSpan and Alvarion.  It wasn't long I was on the phone
selling *all* my motorola to my competitors.

Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice

- Original Message -

Here is a radio comparison test done at the last animal farm.

www.linktechs.net/AF2011_Bakeoff.pdf

Jim

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On
Behalf Of Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:05 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT

Which UBNT 2.4 or 5.7 radios will do 45MB duplex over two miles.
Thanks
Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

2011-08-02 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very 
little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Content-Language: en-US
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

 boundary=_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_

 Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
 interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
 suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
 Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
 mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k

 If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
 three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
 the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.

 A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
 unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
 radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
 critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
 network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
 weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
 even as links fade.


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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

2011-07-27 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for 
almost two years on a three mile link.   It has been an outstanding 
piece of equipment in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, 
after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the 
cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our 
throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db 
of fade margin.We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages 
lasted more than five minutes.  I do wish that there was an option for a 
bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.


The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection 
that cost $500/month.   We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for 
itself in 16 months.  I think that is pretty useful!


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps 
radio in 24 Ghz.  Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, 
too.  Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate 
more bandwidth?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:


Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's
why I said I am told..   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...

:-)




On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
radio is for Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
polarity plane for data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do
with them?

On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 Nice! Price?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

 No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached


 -B-




 On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

 The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.

 Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that
will do
 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The
price is the same or cheaper.

 I believe its 2 year warranty also.

 -B-






 On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
 Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?

http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
 shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works,
that's
 pretty good, in my book

 On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
 This question has probably been asked on this list before
... if
 needed, just tell me to check the archives ...

 Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent
interference
 issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz
point to point
 links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
 non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex
or above
 (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the
24GHz
 frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive
enough
 

[WISPA] Rural Broadband in Pictures

2011-07-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
My latest Wireless Cowboys post.I think this is one of my best yet, and 
a perfect illustration of why fixed wireless is so important for rural 
areas.Plus, it has cool pictures!


http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=180

Matt Larsen

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Re: [WISPA] FW: WISPA Bylaws

2011-05-31 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists


  
  
I will take a bylaws change to add different "classes" to each
membership level. As the current bylaws read, each membership
level has to be charged at the same rate. That is part of why we
did the dues increase the way that we did them. Our intention is
to make that change to the bylaws in order to implement the
different classes next year, but we could not do it this time
around.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 5/31/2011 9:50 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  Not to make suggestions after the
  fact but
  
  In the past, it was realized that
  flexibilty was lost in setting appropriate dues because there
  were only a limited number of classes (assoc, principal,
  vendor).
  
  It would make sense to also add
  to the bylaws and ballot, the ability for the board to set
  additional "classes"of membership.
  
  The reason for this is... the
  majority class is currently "principle". Currently if the
  member prospect does not qualify for "principle" the
  alternative becomes the lower revenue "associate" class even
  if the prospect was a candidate appropriate to pay a higher
  rate.A class could be used to advertise specific companies as
  higher contributors, such as a Gold and Platnum principle
  member (a WISP that is larger ordesired to donate more cash
  in excahnge for good will). As welladditionalclasses could
  be used to allow a membership without certain privilages that
  other WISPs might have. For example which Lists they have
  access to. (An example of that might have been the WCA 3650
  issue, where a telcomight want to join to work on a specific
  project, but may notqualify as a typical WISP). Adding
  Classes, enables the ability to target alternate revenue
  streams, other than to raise principle member's dues, and
  without compromising principle member's voting power and
  association focus. Alternatively, it would work to give the
  ability to add "sub-classes", that allowed fine tuning of
  rights or dues per that specific sub-class. For example,
  manufacturer versus service provider versus investor. Or WISPs
  under 500sub, 500-5000, and Large National providers 
  5000. Or Associate of government versus non-profitversus
  consultant, versus press, versus newbie exploring wireless.
  
  I'm not suggesting defing classes
  now, just suggesting board given the abilityto add classes,
  if needed in the future.
  
  
  Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: Victoria 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011
  11:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: WISPA
  Bylaws



  Dear Members,
  
  This election, you are going to be
  presented with proposed changes in the WISPA Bylaws. Rick
  has posted these changes: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4752
  Please take a moment and be familiar
  with them. 
  
  If you have any questions, please email
  to: wispabyl...@wispa.org
  
  Thanks and have a great Memorial Day!
  
  Best regards,
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Proffer 
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  314-974-5600
  
   2010 - 2011 Board of Directors
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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem 
on my Wireless Cowboys blog.   You can read it here:


http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their 
Freeside accounts to see who gets billed.   Right now, the list of 
violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We 
have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into 
our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal 
for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends 
emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with 
a list of all the people that are over.


Hope that helps.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
www.wirelesscowboys.com


On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I 
would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external 
NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way 
(other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the 
product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as 
they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is 
available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it 
becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to 
constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. 
RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting 
sessions for a given user over a given time period.


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message -
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
mailto:spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research.
You should
too.


 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have
bandwidth caps and
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not
charging for
 them at this point. You also have to have some method of
giving feedback
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's
script for a
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will
email the client
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want
the content of
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of
these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan
that allows
for more  costs more), or
2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday
to most
customers...

On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough
spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything
else out yet.

 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?
 I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back
instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more
sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and
stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

2011-05-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
8 meg package is not offered to residential customers, only to business 
customers.We still get crazy people who want 8meg in the middle of 
nowhere, eight hops away from our NOC - so we decided it was best not to 
advertise it.


When we rollout some more AirMax, we are going to revise this and add 
6,12 and 16meg plans for residential in the places where we have AirMax 
deployed and enough backbone to deliver it.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 5/3/2011 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I did read that just yesterday, Matt.  I noticed you don't have the 8 
meg package on your website =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists 
li...@manageisp.com mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote:


I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB
problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog.   You can read it here:

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to
their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed.   Right now, the
list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing
manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction
that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each
month.We also built a portal for users to check their own
bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when
they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all
the people that are over.

Hope that helps.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com http://vistabeam.com
www.wirelesscowboys.com http://www.wirelesscowboys.com



On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your
counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow
and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for
Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage
based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the
Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac
field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow
spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with
this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to
find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly
cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for
a given user over a given time period.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message -
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
mailto:spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB
research. You should
too.


 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have
bandwidth caps and
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are
not charging for
 them at this point. You also have to have some method
of giving feedback
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew
Cox's script for a
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It
will email the client
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you
want the content of
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message
--
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one
of these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service
plan that allows

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

2011-04-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

I wrote about this on my http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ blog -

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

There are some other articles about Usage Based Billing (UBB) there as 
well.   Read it and see if that helps.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 4/21/2011 10:30 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth 
caps for years.


Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com 
mailto:jnovin...@gmail.com wrote:


They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net
mailto:deathandta...@caglan.net wrote:
 We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is
scheduled
 to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme
but the
 video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.
 We are
 looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
 model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage
model or
 block pricing.

 Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth
caps too
 much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
 anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
 this, the simpler the better?

 Also, what software or management platform are people using to
monitor
 and automate billing of overages, etc?

 Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.

 --Dan P.






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[WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

2011-02-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik 
RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed 
during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other 
people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that 
not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet 
when it comes to quality control and design.

Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced 
with something reliable real soon.

FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

2011-02-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
They started failing at 0F.Temps got to -25F in a few places.

I'm running the R52 cards in ARC Wireless enclosures.   Prebuilt by my 
vendor.   Someone on another list suggested using a more powerful card 
as the extra heat is enough to keep the board warm.

They are all running fine now, but who knows what will happen when we 
get another freeze?

Matt Larsen
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On 2/5/2011 12:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air...
 including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F
 this last week and didn't have a single failure.

 Travis
 Microserv

 On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik
 RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed
 during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other
 people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that
 not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet
 when it comes to quality control and design.

 Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced
 with something reliable real soon.

 FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

2011-01-29 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Phil,

Swap out the CPEs first, then you can swap the APs.   That is what I'm 
doing and it seems to be working very well.   The UBNT radios don't seem 
to have a problem associating to the older APs.   I use StarOS for the 
APs instead of Tranzeo, but that shouldn't make much difference.


Matt Larsen
mlar...@vistabeam.com

On 1/29/2011 8:45 AM, RickG wrote:
My Tranzeo CPE didnt like M radios. I've switched out most of my CPE 
to UBNT but where I didnt, I used regular Bullet's and Pico's as the 
Tranzeos work fine with those until I can get them swapped out with 
M radios.


On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com 
mailto:pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:


We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and
have run into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play
well with the Ubnt AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to
20 Mhz and the Tranzeo CPE's lose there connection after a period
of time and need to be power cycled to rebind to the Ubnt AP's.
 Anybody else having these problems and are there any work
arounds?  I have tried several different configurations and
updated all to newest firmware, but no joy.

Phil





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Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn

2011-01-25 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I will be exercising my right to civil disobedience in the event that 
something like this comes to pass.   This would never make it through 
the court/judiciary system, so I'm fairly certain it won't be a problem.


Matt Larsen
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On 1/25/2011 7:22 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:


Same thing here from 
CNET:_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html


Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years!  All browsing 
data and email.


Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds ...

The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder 
if WISPs will exist in the next few years.


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat 
child porn


Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that

way was designed for tacking IP space to people.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

 The following information is offered for your personal use only. It 
contains no


 added starch, sugar or editorial content. It was not processed on any 
machinery


 that also processes eggs or nuts.



 
*



 House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that 
would force


 companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement 
combat child


 pornography.



 Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers 
should be


 forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a 
way to help


 combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill 
requiring


 they do so for two years...



 LINK:

 
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[WISPA] OT: Miss America

2011-01-14 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Shout out to Miss Nebraska, Theresa Scanlan.   She won the talent 
competition today and is one of the youngest contestants ever in the 
show (17).   The Scanlans are Vistabeam customers and we are very proud 
of Theresa and her entire family.12 months ago, she was carrying out 
groceries and now there is a great chance that she will be on the final 
stage of the pageant.   Best wishes to you Theresa!

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Re: [WISPA] 11Ghz Licensing Warning Question

2011-01-13 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Wow Michael,

That was an outstanding post.   Thank you for taking the time to put it 
together.


Matt Larsen
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On 1/13/2011 11:31 PM, michael mulcay wrote:


Fred,

Tom DeReggi's comments were business-case based and constructive; 
basically exploring whether the Commission's NPRM on auxiliary 
stations would benefit the large operators or WISPs or both. In WSI's 
opinion the answer is both, but with WISPs getting the higher business 
growth percentage.  Frankly, I do not see anything in your position 
that would benefit the WISP community.


//Further, I have nearly thirty years of experience working with the 
FCC, initially with the Xerox XTEN filing, and later, at Western 
Multiplex as VP of Business Development  I wrote the request for a 
Rule Making and an Immediate Waiver of the Rules pending a Rule Making 
to allow unlimited EIRP in the 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz ISM bands. Both were 
granted (with the 1 for 3 rule at 2.4GHz) and we were able to take 
Western Multiplex from the Living Dead (profitable with no growth) 
to a Star Performer (rapid profitable growth), growing the company 
by 25%, 50% and 100% in three consecutive years. I believe that 
auxiliary stations can give WISPs the same type of growth opportunity.


I believe your last paragraph summarizes your view, so I will address 
this paragraph.


/But Part 101 is all about using conventional means... /

//

Wrong -- Part 101Fixed Service rules are about the use of spectrum for 
Fixed Services, fortunately not about conventional means as this 
would preclude innovation.


/...(narrow beams, narrow bands) to squeeze in as many PtP users as 
possible via coordination, not auctions./


//

There are two problems with the conventional approach: 1. Narrower and 
narrower beams mean larger and larger antennas with the related 
dramatic increases in CAPEX and OPEX, and even then they are still not 
perfect. 2. The FS market requirement is for higher and higher speeds 
requiring higher and higher bandwidths, not narrower and narrower 
bandwidths.//


/It works pretty well. /

Actually it works _very poorly_ as demonstrated by the difficulty of 
Prior Coordinating new 6GHz and 11GHz paths in cities such as New York 
and Los Angeles. The reason for the congestion is that every licensed 
station is given protection from harmful interference and all antennas 
radiate and receive signals in all directions, hence the reason for 
Rule 101.103 and the large antennas are a major contributor to the 
high cost of conventional licensed microwave links.


//

/As some of the Reply Comments noted, the alleged keyhole for 
auxiliary stations doesn't really exist very often... /


//

The keyhole has nothing to do with auxiliary stations as it is a 
contour around any station for a given interferer. Prior coordination 
requires that a new applicant check the EIRP at all angles around the 
proposed stations for all distances up to 125 miles at angles between 
five and three hundred and fifty five degrees, and at all distances up 
to 250 miles for all angles within five degrees of the antenna 
azimuth. This means that there are a very large number of locations 
around existing paths where a new applicant path cannot be deployed 
because the new path would cause harmful interference, and as the 
distance from the new applicant to an existing path or paths 
decreases, the number of choices for the new applicant path also 
decreases to the point where a new path at any angle will not prior 
coordinate. With a conventional approach these locations are unused, 
they are wasted. But with auxiliary stations the existing licensee can 
put the unused locations to productive use.


//

/But TDD and FDD also   risk compatibility problems, and most of Part 
101 is FDD, while your proposal is TDD. /


//

Wrong -- there are _no_ compatibility problems using TDD in areas 
where FDD is operating, since a TDD path must prior coordinate before 
a license will be issued. Also, there is nothing preventing an 
auxiliary path from operating FDD, TDD, FDD-TDMA or TDD-TDMA.


/So it might make more sense to push for more spectrum elsewhere, 
rather than use self-defeating hyperbole to fight Part 101 interests 
head-on./


I will again quote FCC Chairman Genachowski:

We can't create more spectrum, so we have to make sure it's used 
efficiently.


So, why are you proposing that we do not challenge the big companies 
who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo?


The facts are these:

·Spectrum is a finite precious national resource.

·Every month thousands of new licenses are issued for primary stations 
when many of the services could have been provided by auxiliary stations.


·For every license issued spectrum is wasted and millions of future 
paths are blocked, adding to already congested airwaves.


·Auxiliary stations, with their small antennas and low cost, will for 
the first time be able to solve the last mile cost barrier, bringing 
economically viable 

Re: [WISPA] he.net

2011-01-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I'm looking to pickup a gig IP pipe from them this summer.   My research 
so far shows that they should be comparable to Cogent, and even better 
in some ways.   We shall see!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 1/3/2011 12:43 PM, Matt wrote:
 Anyone else having trouble bringing up www.he.net?
 It appears to be only a temporary DNS issue. http://dns.he.net/

 Routing is fine.  We have a server on he.net bandwidth for 6 months
 and they have always worked great.


 
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[WISPA] More Spectrum!!

2010-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

Folks, here is the real opportunity that we need to be focusing on

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/white-spaces-could-expand-beyond-unused-tv-spectrum.ars

 There may be no more important item for wisps to unite in their focus 
on than this.If we can start to use other white space spectrum -- or 
even scraps of licensed spectrum that are going unused -- we will have 
all the spectrum we need.


 Time to roll!

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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

2010-11-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I don't know whether it helps or not, but we put in policy routes so 
that every four or eight routed subnets were NATed out through a 
different IP address.   Something like:

192.168.248.0-192.168.255.0 goes out through 208.14.222.10
192.168.240.0-192.168.247.0 goes out through 208.14.222.11
etc etc

Since putting these rules in, a lot of our NAT issues have gone away.
We have a LOT of customers on Facebook and Hotmail, and they get very 
vocal when stuff isn't working, so I know that it is working well for 
the most part.

This is on a StarOS NAT box, but we are going to be replacing it with 
Mikrotik in another month or so.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 11/26/2010 9:16 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
 Hmm, I ran into issues with NAT'ing that many customers too.  I had to break
 it out better than what I had.  My issues were similar to what you're seeing
 - just really unpredictable behavior from some sites.  Was going over the
 max possible NAT connections.  I'm pretty sure this was on a Mikrotik at the
 time, but it's been a few years back so I can't remember all the details.

 With this many customers I would be looking at something better than ADSL
 connections.




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Optimum Wireless Services
 Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

 Yes. I'm doing NAT for the entire network.

 Someone suggested to upgrade to the squid ver 3.1. I was using 3.0.24.
 Upgraded and will run the newer version and see how things work. I need
 squid on the network to save a little bit of bw. Also I'm running
 videocache which needs squid.

 I'll let you know how things go from here.


 On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:57 -0600, Matt wrote:
 profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We have 3
 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have about 120
 Just curious, do you NAT everyone?



 
 
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[WISPA] Squid for Video - videocache

2010-11-18 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Has anyone here tried this out?

http://cachevideos.com/

I this sounds like a great idea in theory.Interested to see if it 
works as well in practice.

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Re: [WISPA] VZW, USCC Contact

2010-11-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Put up an AP using StarOS and noisebuster mode nearby on an 
overlapping channel.   Watch their 5.8 backhaul magically disappear and 
be replaced by something else within a fairly short period of time.

Problem solved.

Matt Larsen
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On 11/9/2010 10:56 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net  wrote:
 Sounds like Tsunami/Linx equivellent, running DSSS using most of the band to
 deliver a few T1s.
 The carriers use unlicenced for the same reason we do.  They sub it out to a
 contractor, and then the contractor comes up with a solution that takes the
 least planning.
 Dont take it personally, the carriers usually dont use the Spectrum hogg
 gear to hurt you, instead they use it for selfish reasons. They figure use
 the protocol that require the least SNR so they minimize the risk of others
 can step on them.  I hate that.
 Whoa back up. Sorry, I am not taking it personally, or at least not to
 very much. Poor joke mixed in with a bit of wishful thinking.

 One option is that you can deploy licensed wireless, and then go to the
 cellular company and try to sell them a more reliable circuit, maybe even at
 a discount.
 As soon as I can buy some Ubnt 3.65 gear I will be. An no, no one on
 those towers will be buying from me (because I am to small a fish and
 really do have little interest in them, since I can not meet various
 performance goals like X hour response time 24/7/365.  I am one
 persona here)

 ONe thing that you might be able to use to your advantage is. Often the
 big carrier deploys unlicensed with the mentality that because its
 unlicensed that they dont have to tell anyone at the tower, or license that
 specific freq with teh tower owner. Meaning, they may not have the right to
 use that spectrum at the tower nailed down.  So you might be able to license
 the use of that spectrum at the site, if you try.  They likely are only
 protected by a first in non-interference clause, if they listed the
 ubnlicensed gear in their tower agreement.
 You might be able to re-use the spectrum if you give your self about a 100ft
 of seperation.
 No way will I get that. Tower owner gets around 60K/mo from 4 towers
 and the subleases. My talks to get up there are pretty much stalled at
 oh you can't start off with 10K/mo? Don't call me again

 I guess my point is Dont assume that The cellular carrier who owns the
 gear is the one that you have to negotiate with. Thats not necessarilly a
 given.
 True, but I have to contact them to find out who is the right person.

 Remember, interference can be bi-directional. And you ahve the ability to
 interfere with them if you also use inefficient technology. That always
 creates some leverage for everyone to play nice togeather.
 True in most cases. I think in this one, they are running illegal, or
 I have not truely pinned the right source (snow has made doing a
 better survey dangerous).

 The scan that shows the signal is aimed to a tower that is 7060 feet
 east of where the interference is coming from, and 1300ft low in
 elevation. I have not been able to get on the metal roof (10/12 and
 snow) and re-aim to see if i can tune it out. No mater where in town I
 drove, if I aimed at the towers on the hill, I had this signal very
 strong and clear. I have a airmax link that its obliterating. I am
 going to edge as close to it as I can and keep my performance
 acceptable. This might make the people move, it might not. I am also
 going to put in a par of 2.4ghz airmax units and see how that plays
 out. I only need 20mbit to the site for now.


 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Jeromie Reevesjree...@18-30chat.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZW, USCC Contact


 I figured it might be a upcliff battle. That is what gets me, they DO
 have licensed. My guess is someone figured out if they squish the band
 it slow us down. Fully HALF the lower UNII4 band is hosed here, even
 airmax is not working. Oh how I wish Ubnt would come out with some
 UNII2/3 gear (namely, just add DFS2 to the existing product, or maybe
 if the crazy idea that WE need to avoid military radar would go away).

 On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Cameron Kiltonc...@midcoast.com  wrote:
 Good luck, we had a similar issue, I'm still trying to figure out why
 they don't go licensed.



 Thanks,
 Cameron Kilton

 On 11/9/2010 2:30 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Anyone have a contact at Verizon Wireless or Us Cellular? They have
 some towers here that are now sitting all over the5755 making it
 totally unusable and some other portions of the band. Would like to
 try to work out some frequency sharing, anyone ever been able to?

 Jeromie


 
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[WISPA] TTY Spam/Stolen Credit Card Scam against ISPs

2010-10-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
There is a new spam scam targeted at ISPs going around.   Someone uses 
the TTY system for hearing impaired people (or a forgery of it) to order 
up a dialup account and several email addresses.Then the account is 
paid for with a credit card.Within a couple of hours, spam starts 
flowing from the email addresses.   We tracked this down when one of the 
people with the stolen credit cards called us to find out why we were 
charging them, and it was readily apparent that this was not a 
legitimate account.

Heads up.Now we get to go through the stupid fight to get ourselves 
removed from the yahoo and aol blacklists.   Dammit!

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Re: [WISPA] Hacking Tranzeo

2010-10-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists

I would LOVE to see a Tranzeo that talked Nstreme.

I am willing to donate a couple of CPQs to anyone who wants to take a 
shot at it.


Also, anyone who has used ones they want to sell, hit me offlist.   I 
still have another 200 or so CPE/CPE80 radios that I need to replace 
with CPQs or UBNT.


Matt Larsen
mlar...@vistabeam.com


On 10/26/2010 9:47 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:


Ryan,

I like all those Tranzeo options as well.  I did not know the ram was 
so tight on them.  I just thought that the ability to put ROS on them 
and if it worked with Nstreame2 would solve some of my over populated 
towers.  I really need TDMA or some Universal Timing mech that works 
cross vendor.  I like Tranzeo and truthfully I have a very stable 
network with them.  I like UBNT CPE's and have started using them as 
my only supplier for backhauls.  But I use Mikrotik for all my AP's.  
My network design is such that I use a hotspot for radius 
authentication and queue creation for speed control.  I would never 
use Tranzeo as an AP.  I don't want to change all my controls to 
change to UBNT Rockets.  I need a TDMA that works with MT, UBNT, 
Tranzeo, Engenius, DD-WRT, etc


Guess I shouldn't hold my breath. L

*Steve Barnes*

RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Ryan Spott

*Sent:* Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:07 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Hacking Tranzeo

What is missing from the CPQ-X line?

Let's see,

Text based config file upload.

TFTP mass install for the warehouse.

Config changes via simple curl statement (en masse)

SNMPread for 'important stuff' (there should be MORE!)

Pretty solid mounting (Oh god, do I hate that boot too though!)

Remember, with only enough ram to really keep track of only 8 or so 
clients behind them, don't use them as routers in larger commercial 
installs, use them as bridges.


Yeah, the web interface blows chunks compared to the UBNT stuff, but 
look at the hardware. Keep it simple and functional, not pretty. But 
yeah, the web interface blows chunks.


Now if only the company would join WISPA...

ryan

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:44 AM, support supp...@nitline.com 
mailto:supp...@nitline.com wrote:


is there any other OS that would work on the Tranzeo TR-CPQ??

it sure would be awesome if we could put ubnt 3.6 firmware on there or 
something


i have 50 TR-CPQ-15's rendered useless right now due to them never 
getting there firmware right

would be awesome if someone could hack it ;)



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Ram  Bootstrap would be the challenge.  Not saying it can¹t be done, just

would be a challenge.

  

  

  





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Re: [WISPA] Equipment - Tranzeo/Ubiquiti

2010-09-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
 I'm interested in all of these units.   Let me know how many of each 
and how much you want.   I'd be willing to take the whole thing.   I 
have 400 subs left to switch to newer CPE that will do 10mhz channels, 
so I'll take all I can get.


Thanks,

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On 9/24/2010 4:53 PM, Michael Baird wrote:

Bigger radio/antenna combinations generally.

Regards
Michael Baird

What are you replacing them with?

On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com 
mailto:m...@tc3net.com wrote:


We've got an assortment of used Tranzeo CPQ's, Tranzeo 5A's, and
Ubiquiti PS2/Nano2/Nano2 loco we'd like to sell. If anybody is
interested, please email me.

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[WISPA] Katrina, Five Years Later

2010-09-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists



(from my blog, WirelessCowboys.com)

It is now 5 years since Katrina hit New Orleans and changed the face of 
the Gulf Coast forever.   One of the good things that came out of this 
disaster was the outstanding effort by wireless ISPs that came together 
to provide Internet and phone services to thousands of refugees from the 
storm.Mac Dearman stood at the center of that effort.


I called Mac the day after Katrina hit to check in on him and see how 
bad off he had it.   Other than a little damage, his network was in good 
shape.   I called a couple of days later, and he told me stories about 
the refugees of the storm, churches and makeshift shelters filled to 
overflowing with people that had nothing more than the clothes on the 
backs.   He and his employees had been working non-stop to put in 
Internet connections and voip phones at the shelters so that the people 
there would be able to contact their loved ones and start the process of 
applying for federal help.I could tell from the tone in his voice 
that he was completely worn out, but could not stop because this work 
had to be done.


I got on a plane the next morning and headed down to help in any way 
that I could.


Within two days after I arrived, there were at least 30 people camped 
out at Mac's farm near Rayville, Louisiana and semi loads of donated 
equipment had arrived that allowed us to put Internet, VOIP phones and 
computers at nearly every shelter in Mac's service area.   I had to 
leave after a week, but Mac took his volunteer army of WISPs down to the 
Bay St. Louis and Gulfport areas along the coast and kept going until 
the next spring.


It was truly an amazing effort, done with no government support, purely 
with volunteer help and donated equipment.   The campaign to help people 
after Katrina was a pinnacle moment of the infant WISP industry, and a 
perfect illustration of the ability of WISPs to provide critical 
services quickly, efficiently and professionally.


Thank you Mac, and thanks to all of the volunteers that were able to 
take the time to help him out.   WISPs everywhere owe you a debt of 
gratitude.


More reading:

http://www.redherring.com/Home/15053

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/10/03/mac.dearman/

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Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

2010-09-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
 We are doing this with our old CB3 and RB110 boards.   I am actually 
turning on the 2.4ghz AP mode, so that our techs can get online through 
them without having to plug into the network.   All of our APs are 
switching to 10mhz channels and the laptops can't just hop on them anymore!


Matt Larsen
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On 9/1/2010 11:44 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:


Tom, that $40 SBC  should be a old CB3 from the junk pile.  We now 
call them power pingers


*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Tom DeReggi

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:42 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

Its tough to find Low cost DC inverter equipment that supports 
built-in IP.


 Triplite makes an excellent line of Inverters, and they are 
affordable. (come in 12v mailto:1...@v, 24V, and 48V), and can handle 
high amerage charging and near unlimited load.


The problem is that these do NOT support IP type intelligence. There 
is a physical port that can show some INverter detail, such as when 
running on battery or not.


But this is a physical port that basically send voltage over one of 
the pins to state the condition. It actually has a remote physical LED 
block that can plug into that port.


IF someone took the time, they could make an adapter to connect that 
port to a computers or SBC's serial or parallel port and write a small 
program to read the pin voltage (on or off), and then use the SBC's 
SNMP or something to enable the power state to be polled.  ONe way to 
get data on power outages is to plug a small $40 SBC bypassing the 
Batteries directly to the AC, then if that device is no longer 
pingable, you know no power is there.


Anyway, I use the Triplites now, but I as well, am looking for 
something of similar spec quality that has IP built-in, to simplify 
and improve remote monitoring.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message -

*From:* David Sovereen mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net

*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:51 AM

*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

With nearly all of our equipment being 24V DC, is anyone running
their sites off of batteries connected to an AC battery charger? 
I'm envisioning something like a solar setup, but instead of using

solar panels to charge the batteries, you use an AC-powered
battery charger.  This would eliminate the AC to DC to AC to DC
conversion that a typical UPS setup would introduce, making the
efficiency far better and the run-times far longer.  I'm thinking
I would like to do this (I need to revamp our UPSes everywhere
anyway) but am not sure of what pieces and parts I need or if this
is a terrible idea that I should run away from.

Dave

==

 MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION

 David Sovereen

 989-837-3790 x 151



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:

Sadly.  My last UPS I built was from parts pulled
outta the
dumpster behind the local defunct Gold Star Chili Store.  
Salvaged the EXIT

sign.  2 6v batteries and charging/switch board.

I live a strange life.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UPS with IP

I second this. We had been using Belkin consumer UPS' because of their
physical dimensions, but we've been changing them out for APC 750
and 1500s
with SNMP where ever we reasonably can. Get ours new through
Ingram Micro.

-Paul

On Aug 18, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Mark Nash wrote:

 I usually buy APC SmartUPS 1500KVA, used on ebay with SNMP card
AP9617...this card emails you if the UPS goes on battery.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 1702 W. 2nd Ave
 Suite A
 Eugene, OR 97402
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com http://www.unwiredwest.com/
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Barnes
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:51 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] UPS with IP

 I am looking for a 1500VA ups with IP control that wont kill me
with the
price.

 Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

2010-08-31 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in 
PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware 
helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this 
very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.

It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is 
quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot 
devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the 
autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to 
make any more drives.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not rebooting 
 after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an AP.  Mikrotik AP 
 to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please: Models, Firmware, AP 
 connecting to.

 (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Dueck
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

 I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not coming back 
 online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is with AP's or 
 backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will not come back after 
 making a change.

 Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem, or MT?

 Mark


 
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[WISPA] FTTH Show

2010-08-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  Anyone here going to this show?

http://www.ftthconference.com/FTTH10/public/enter.aspx

Still deciding whether I should go or not.

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Re: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

2010-08-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  OH NO!

https://foxnews.com

Who are we doing to trust now???

:^)

Matt Larsen
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On 8/30/2010 10:44 AM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
 Yeah.  And don't fear.  The Cyber Security Agency is going to keep the
 world safe..

 Too Funny

 -B-



 Greg Ihnen wrote:
 They forgot to redirect to match their cert.

 Greg
 On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 Even the computers know

 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jason Hensleyja...@jaggartech.com
 mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com  wrote:

  Haha - too funny!!


  -Original Message-
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  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Marco Coelho
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:16 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Funny Website Error

  Monday Funny

  Use mozilla firefox and go to:

  https://whitehouse.govhttps://whitehouse.gov/

  It gives you an Untrusted Error...

  No shit Sherlock!

  Marco


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[WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

2010-08-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be 
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are 
preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?

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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

2010-08-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
 Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, 
and doing things that cannot really be virtualized.   Three will be 
doing NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking 
software, three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network 
monitoring server running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc.


Matt Larsen
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On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:


I agree.  When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running 
VMWare.  The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it.


Rick

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Brad Belton

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

Agreed.  We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, 
but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.


We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start 
with.  Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, 
availability, power savings and features.  A server to us now 
amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move 
wherever we please with a simple cut  paste.  If VMware sees a 
server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will 
automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host.  
Really cool stuff...


The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now 
are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with 
servers they replaced!


Best,

Brad

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Jeremy Parr

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?

On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com 
mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote:


 I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
preferred.   Does anyone one the list have recommendations?


Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.





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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-08-23 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  Hello Mark,

It is fairly easy to come up with a Perl script that outputs all of the 
customer radios into a text file that you can then parse and put into 
Nagios.   We do that with Xymon for all of our customer devices, and it 
works very well.You can also come up with a pgsql request coming 
from your Nagios box that just extracts the wanted information out of 
the Freeside database and reloads Nagios.

For inventory tracking, we have a separate item number for each radio 
type.   Fairly easy to generate a report showing how many of each type 
of radio we have in the system, and we use the MAC address of the radio 
as the serial number.   I do not use Freeside to keep track of inventory 
that is outside of the billing system, we have a separate program for 
that task.

Freeside documentation is kind of lacking, and it takes some time to get 
figured out.   Unfortunately, when you get to a certain size billing 
gets quite complicated and just about anything you use is going to be 
complex.

I've been using Freeside for 8 years now.It is hands down better 
than all of the other billing systems that I have had direct experience 
with (Rodopi, Billmax, Emerald, Powercode) but I cannot give any 
recommendation one way or the other toward Platypus or Wispmon.  Being 
able to modify it and adjust it to fit our needs is very important to 
me, and probably one of the biggest issues I have had with other billing 
systems.

Once we got over the initial hump, it has been excellent for us.

Matt Larsen
mlar...@vistabeam.com


On 8/22/2010 10:57 PM, Mark Dueck wrote:
 I too have been working on putting up a billing system for over a year
 now.  I have a working VM from Freeside, but it really seems like it's
 not a full install.  I can't get anything to really work in it, or maybe
 it's just that there's no documentation and I don't know how to get it
 working.

  From what I've played with it, it does not have half the inventory
 tracking that I would like, and the whole table structure looks so darn
 complicated, it would take me a few full days studying all the tables to
 come up with a python script that would generate my nagios config file
 for my clients -- which are my full intentions for whichever system I
 put in unless it has it's own monitoring system.

 I found this page a few weeks ago:
 http://www.cio.com.au/article/324595/5_open_source_billing_systems_watch/

 I've taken a quick look at each, and so far the CitrusDB seems to be the
 easiest one to work with and extent to what I would like to have.

 Unless we can put our heads together and document how to get freeside
 working because I've heard that you can without much effort extend it to
 do most anything.



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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-08-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP 
operators

Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a 
billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be 
in this business at all.

Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is 
the most important element of a WISP business.   Ignore it at your own 
peril.   Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the 
a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've been setting up FreeSide...  forever.  1)  I'm too poor to hire
 it out properly.  2)  I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to
 finishing it up.

 I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system.  I'm
 thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there
 that a WISP made.

 It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and
 looks a hell of a lot better.  However, does it do everything that
 FreeSide does?






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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-08-22 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  Mike,

I did the same thing back in the dialup days - Excel, Access database, 
QuickBooks memorized transactions, etc etc.QuickBooks kept getting 
slower and we started to have problems with inconsistencies between all 
of the systems (people not getting billed, delinquent accounts that were 
still online, random jumble of email addresses, not knowing who they 
went to, etc etc) so we made a change when we were at about 600 
customers in early 1998.   By the end of 2001, we were billing over 
4000.   Having a robust and extensible backend system is critical if you 
are going to scale the business to an appreciable size.

If you are only billing a couple of hundred customers, you can get away 
with QuickBooks and/or Excel and the like.   Grow beyond that, and you 
better start looking for a good backend system.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/22/2010 12:01 PM, Mike wrote:
 Matt that seems a little harsh.  I guess I would fall into the same
 category.  I use Excel to track my billing.  I send an email out on the 15th
 of every month to every customer.  Most of my customers are billed the same
 amount. It takes me less than an hour each month to do my initial billing,
 and probably a couple hours more to chase deadbeats.  I do no paper billing,
 it is all via email.  I've been doing it for a few years now and don't feel
 like I'm destined for failure.

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203
 m...@aweiowa.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:12 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP
 operators

 Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a
 billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be
 in this business at all.

 Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is
 the most important element of a WISP business.   Ignore it at your own
 peril.   Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the
 a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been setting up FreeSide...  forever.  1)  I'm too poor to hire
 it out properly.  2)  I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to
 finishing it up.

 I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system.  I'm
 thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there
 that a WISP made.

 It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't and
 looks a hell of a lot better.  However, does it do everything that
 FreeSide does?




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem

2010-08-16 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
  Butch - your post was fine except for the first sentence.   No need to 
pick at wounds at this point.   Let it go.

Matt Larsen
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On 8/15/2010 5:49 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
 On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 17:15 -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
 I have an RB433AH running ROS3.30.  It has been running well for months
 or longer.  Yesterday afternoon it lost the OSPF routes that come in
 from the backhaul interface.  I rebooted.  Still no go.  It showed 9
 potential neighbors in Init state on that interface.  It gets neighbors
 on the wireless AP interface.  I power cycled it this morning.  Same
 thing, 9 neighbors in Init state.
 On of those neighbors is inches away so I put a 3 foot jumper between
 ether2 on the bad unit to ether2 on the good one.  They instantly became
 neighbors.
 What do I need to look for on the interface that is not working to get
 it to go to the next step?
 By the way, that interface is the link to the Internet for 2 APs and all
 of the customers on those 2 APs are moving traffic, so it is not a
 physical interface that is not working.
 Hopefully Jim Patient won't think this is advertising, so I'll post it
 here.

 It is likely that you may be seeing a duplex mismatch at some point in
 the network.  Another possibility is that you have an incomplete bridge
 somewhere (backhaul maybe?), such as would occur with an 802.11 based
 client-ap setup.  Without more information, it's hard to say what could
 be causing this issue.  State init means that we have seen the
 hello(s) from the neighbor, but they have not seen ours.  This indicates
 some failure of packets in one direction, so I am guessing a duplex
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[WISPA] OS Humor

2010-08-13 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
http://www.google.com/buzz/thastoner/T8pswjDZNmW/How-Fanboys-See-Operating-Systems

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Re: [WISPA] Overheating UPS?

2010-07-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
It is getting ready to fail.I have had two APCs that got hot and 
failed soon after.One made for an awful stink in the NOC when it 
finally went.   I thought the building was on fire.

Matt Larsen
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On 7/27/2010 7:39 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 One of my UPS's at a house/tower was chirping, I sent a technician to
 pull the unit in for testing.  It was so hot that they had to wrap it in
 towels to move it, it wasn't chirping when he got there.  It has a
 minimum load of about 3-4 amps for a couple Mikrotik and Motorola radios
 on it with a switch and remote reboot unit.  The UPS was in an attic of
 the house and it is averaging about 95 degrees (we don't have humidity
 here) outside so I figure over 100 in the attic.  I'll let it cool down
 overnight in the office but my guess is the chirping was a high temp
 warning, any ideas?

 SmartAPC Model SUA 750 - about a year old.

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Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-15 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I don't use Tranzeos for APs - except for 900mhz and they will soon be 
replaced with Mikrotik, which seems to work well with Tranzeo 900mhz CPEs.

Save some of your blowing up anger for some Smartbridges stuff.   I have 
a few of those that I'd love to drop from a tower.

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On 6/14/2010 10:01 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 How many TR 6000's do you want for your AP's?

 bawhahahahahahaha

 One of these days I'm gonna remember to take a video cam along and toss one
 out of the 65' bucket truck!
 I sure wish I had this guy's tool for fixing crappy hardware!
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6HR35fBDU

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com
 To:wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


 Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios
 for sale, please contact me.   We are switching to 10mhz channels and I
 have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out.

 I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot
 easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo,
 and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a
 Ubiquiti radio.

 Matt Larsen
 mlar...@vistabeam.com


 On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:

  
 $100

  
 I doubt it.  New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even
 less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky
 to
 get $50, on the high side.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL   Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..




 Tranzeo CPQ 19f



 We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell.
 Hoping
 they are worth around $100.  Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com.





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Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-15 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Z-Com GZ-901 card.

I have been meaning to experiment with the card that comes in a Tranzeo 
radio to see if it will work as well (I assume it will).

Right now, it seems like the MT AP has improved the latency by about 
50%, and it is very nice to have queues, radius authentication, routing 
and a dhcp server in the AP.   It is not the cure all that I was hoping 
for, however.

I might try to swap out a few Tranzeos to MT CPE with Nstreme running to 
see if that fixes some of the latency issues we keep coming across with 
900mhz.   The occasional 1 second ping times are not a lot of fun.

Matt Larsen
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On 6/15/2010 2:14 AM, Blair Davis wrote:
 MikroTik AP with Tranzeo CPE... on 900MHz??!?!??!

 What radio card in the MikroTik AP?

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I don't use Tranzeos for APs - except for 900mhz and they will soon be
 replaced with Mikrotik, which seems to work well with Tranzeo 900mhz CPEs.

 Save some of your blowing up anger for some Smartbridges stuff.   I have
 a few of those that I'd love to drop from a tower.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


  




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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Gear

2010-06-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
On 6/11/2010 11:06 AM, Michael Baird wrote:
 I've got some Tranzeo gear for sale, not sure of the exact quantities,
 just let me know what you need. We've tested/cleared and upgraded all of
 these units, the 2.4 units all support 5/10/20 mhz channel widths.

 TR-CPQ-15's - $40
 TR-CPQ-19's - $60
 TR-5A's - $100
 TR-6000's - $100

 Regards
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Hello Michael,

I am interested in the CPQ15 and CPQ19 units.   How many of each to do 
you have?

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Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........

2010-06-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios 
for sale, please contact me.   We are switching to 10mhz channels and I 
have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out.

I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot 
easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, 
and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a 
Ubiquiti radio.

Matt Larsen
mlar...@vistabeam.com


On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 An NS2 is $80 list.

 I think most will agree it is superior, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net  
 wrote:

 $100

 I doubt it.  New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain
 (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less.
 Why buy old/used Wifi?
 Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used.

 Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to
 get $50, on the high side.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..


  
 Tranzeo CPQ 19f



 We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell.  Hoping
 they are worth around $100.  Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com.





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[WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems

2010-06-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
So we get an angry call from a customer demanding that we come out to 
fix their computer, because their Internet hasn't worked for a couple of 
months.

Check the system logs, and yes - her link has been down for 13 days.   
Since we have an automated system that calls every two days when a 
customer is down for 48hours or longer, and then we have office staff 
call nearly every day after that period until we get an answer.   At 
fourteen days, she had received no less than eight phone calls, none of 
which had been answered.   We are very proactive about customer outages. 
Customer also had a long history of not responding to phone calls 
and had twice not been at home when our tech made the 50 mile round trip 
to her house.   There was a bit of a history there.

Now that we had her on the phone, we dropped everything and sent the 
nearest available tech to look at the problem.   She has no idea how 
much of an effort that is right now because we have had THREE major 
hailstorms and multiple tornadoes come through our area in the last two 
weeks and all of our service staff and contractors are booked solid for 
two weeks to deal with radios damaged by the storms, ripped off of 
roofs, or re-aimed by the strong winds.

It all boiled down to two simple things, one that is very common and one 
that we had never come across before.

1)  Her POE was plugged in backwards.

2)  After plugging in the POE, she was still getting a page could not 
be displayed page in Internet Explorer.   Tech sat down and started 
doing some testing to see what was going on.  Pings were fine, email 
seemed to work fine, technician's laptop got on and was able to do 
everything normal on her connection.   Plugged it back into her computer 
and got the same error.   Tech puts in our home page and it comes right 
up.   Checks browser settings and find out that she had set her HOME 
PAGE to the dnserror.htm file (IE - the file that comes up when DNS 
isn't working)  - which was putting up an error everytime she started 
her browser.

#...@#$%@#...@#$%@#!

Her next bill will have a $35 service call attached to it.   I'd like to 
deliver it wrapped around a large rock through a window, but we will 
probably just put it in the mail.

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Boy, I can't wait until some hacker figures out how to goatse this.   
That will make for a pretty ugly search page.

Matt Larsen
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On 6/9/2010 11:24 PM, Robert West wrote:


 What be this Google visual abomination!!!



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Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies

2010-06-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have had good experiences with Landmark Financial in Denver.Good 
folks.

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On 6/4/2010 11:52 PM, David wrote:
 Both CTI and Boun at doubleradius can help get you with honest leasing
 companies.

 David


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 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies

 I've applied to several leasing companies, mostly for licensed links.
 All of
 them gave me an appox. rate for a five year term of under 10% per year.
 Then, after they ran credit, they came back with a monthly payment but
 wouldn't tell me the rate. I calculated it to be over 25% annually in
 all of
 the cases. When I talked to them about it, they all said that they
 don't
 actually do rates, they just give a monthly amount, since that's easier
 for
 people to understand. In all of the cases, if we had signed up, we
 would
 have paid more than three times what the equipment cost by the time the
 lease was done. One of them even tried that old Rule of 78 method for
 calulating interest. I didn't even think that was still legal in the
 US! Two
 of them verbally told us the lease was for a $1 buyout, but then in the
 fine
 print it said we would have to pay, fair market value, whatever that
 means.

 If I ever find a honest leasing company, it'll make my business easier
 and
 more profitable. Until then, we'll continue to grow slowly.

 Cheers,
  Kevin

  




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Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband

2010-05-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Mark, I would like to thank you for your interesting and obivously well 
thought out post.

I am firmly of the camp that USF should be completely discontinued, and 
my efforts going forward will be to encourage its disbandment.   The 
major goals of the original USF program have been completed for some 
time now, and the program is no longer needed.   USF is providing 
unneeded subsidization of wireless cellular carriers, some very large 
corporations (CenturyLink) and many rural ILECs that take USF money and 
use it to warehouse spectrum and compete with WISPs.

The politically correct thing to do would be to find allies for our 
other positions and offer to support USF reform that will be inclusive 
of  WISPs.   I have had enough experience with the paperwork, legal 
wrangling and political skullduggery at the state and federal levels 
involved in getting USF to recognize that it is almost totally 
incompatible with WISPs.   USF is HURTING the deployment of broadband in 
the US by supporting the entities that have either failed to deliver 
broadband to many of their rural service areas (CenturyLink), have 
delivered broadband but are now using the funds to subsidize other 
activities such as spectrum warehousing (many small ILECs) or are using 
it to fund the buildout of cellular networks (cellphone companies) that 
provide awful coverage in rural areas.

 From a philosophical and practical standpoint, USF should be 
abolished.   The funds left in their coffers can be used to establish a 
smaller, tightly focused program for schools and libraries - entities 
that are legitimately benefitting from USF.

USF has strong support from telcos and they are great at focusing on the 
tiny parts of the program that are beneficial and the threat that some 
telcos will go under without USF support - while the vast majority of 
the money that comes out of USF goes to the bottom line of profitable 
companies with ties to the original monopoly players.

It is time for a quick lesson about the economic concept of Fast 
Failure.   One of the very best features of capitalism and the 
entrepeneurial environment of the United States is that a business can 
and should fail if it turns out to not be economically feasible.   When 
that business fails, its resources are redistributed and another 
business can step in.   Subsidizing a business that doesn't need 
subsidization, or creating a monopolistic situation through 
subsidization or regulation leads to inefficiencies in the system.   USF 
is being used to support businesses that don't need the support and it 
creates an anti-competitive environment.

I would really like to see USF disappear.   It just doesn't make sense 
to me to try and work with a system that is hopelessly flawed and 
unrepairable.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 5/27/2010 3:55 AM, MDK wrote:
 As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this
 question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this.   First, to
 my self-motivated enemies who can't stand anything I say Nuts!, I'm
 right and I know it.   Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than
 just shallow mockery,  here's serious conversation on serious topics, and
 the excuse to dismiss me for those who can't bring themselves to be serious.

 Some comments on the strategy for opposing FCC intervention.

 As is highlighted below - and has been discussed at considerable length in
 other venues...   The NBP, the regulation of internet services, and net
 neutrality all hinge upon a couple of rather firm anchors.   As we know,
 the FCC lost in the courts when it attempted to simply re-write the intent
 of current law.The first anchor for implementation of anything is to
 surmount the law as it sits right now.Either by Congressional action, or
 by administratively bypassing it.

 The current administration has demonstrated in several other areas they are
 willing to coordinate completely bypassing the legislative process, and
 regulate via administrative rule.   IE, agencies simply write new rules
 that force the intent of the administration, even if it conflicts with
 current law, or has no basis in law. There's considerable example and
 evidence of this, by the EPA and other agencies.

 It would be my estimate that this is the approach the FCC will try - and it
 is coordinated directly, but unofficially, from the White House.   This
 approach has mixed support and resistance in Congress.   Some of the
 Democrats would prefer this, rather than Congress taking up a controversial
 topic.   However, it is legally iffy.   And, there's a majority in
 Congress which is mostly Republicans and some Democrats who actually oppose
 the FCC attempting to simply rule by fiat.   It's a turf thing, actually.
 Few in Congress are strongly supportive of enterprise, and the resistance is
 mostly about Congress objecting to the FCC usurping their role.

 Thus, it would seem to be a poor strategy to rely on Congressional 

Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband

2010-05-28 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Tom,

Thank you for asking your questions - I have some awesome answers for 
you.

1)  Alaska.   Alaska does indeed have an infrastructure problem.   
Alaska also receives an enormous amount of federal support already along 
with substantial revenues from their natural resources, mainly oil and 
gas.  These Americans would not be left out in the cold - communication 
wise - if they took some of their massive piles of money and built out 
their infrastructure.   Right now, the Alaska Permanent Fund - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund - has 28 Billion 
dollars in it, and is primarily used to pay an annual dividend to Alaska 
residents.   I'm pretty sure that money would go to better use if Alaska 
used that to pay for their communications infrastructure needs instead 
of expecting the residents of the lower-48 to pay for it.

2)  Rural Telco Failure.   I have a really hard time believing that a 
rural telco could fail, but I guess it could happen.   In that scenario, 
I would suggest that the government set up some kind of a trustee 
operation that maintained the operation of the telco until a buyer could 
be found.   I live in a very rural area, and the majority of the rural 
ILECs here are swimming in money from USF, and have very successful 
unregulated subsidiaries that operate outside of the normal regulatory 
environment.   With all of the recent advances in voice switching and 
remote broadband deployment, the residents of a community with a 
failling telco would be better off in the long run if the telco was 
allowed to fail and someone else was able to come in and rebuild with 
more modern equipment.   This is a little tricky, but could be addressed 
in a more efficient manner than what we are seeing now.

3)  Mobile Phone Coverage.   There is a really simple answer to this 
one.   There are buildout requirements in cellular licenses that the 
federal government grants to mobile carriers.   They have been 
effectively lobbbying to get USF money to build out and meet those 
requirements.   Even so, rural cellular coverage is awful.   USF has 
been the carrot to incentivize rural wireless buildouts - now it is time 
to try the stick.   Rural carriers that don't build out, or only build 
out the areas with with Interstates and highways (for roaming traffic) 
without building out to the sparsely populated rural locations lose 
their licenses.   This will lower the value of the licenses in rural 
areas to the point where smaller competitors could feasibly buy licenses 
and compete.   It would also substantially reduce the amount of spectrum 
warehousing that goes on in rural areas.   No need to throw money at 
this problem, just enforce the existing laws and modify the requirements 
so that there is less redlining of the more profitable portions of 
their license area.

  I think that the idea of pitting the New Jersey delegation against the 
Alaska delegation is fantastic.   Why should people in NJ be paying for 
phone services in Alaska?

I would like to close with an illustration of what goes on with USF.   
USF is attached to every access line, and looks pretty innocuous on a 
single line phone bill.   However, when I was running a dialup ISP and 
we had several hundred lines coming into our system, that USF cost was 
in the $3000/$4000 range every month.  Especially frustrating was that 
one of my main competitors was the unregulated subsidiary of a nearby 
rural ILEC that was receiving a ton of USF money, had access to low 
interest capital from USDA and was receiving reciprocal compensation for 
terminating phone calls to their ISP system.   In my mind, that 
$4000/month was going right to them to compete with me.Their 
subsidiary did not receive the money directly, but it paid the salaries 
of their staff and generated traffic into their system to generate more 
money.   It also allowed them to either buy or bid up the price on 
700mhz spectrum for a big chunk of the state of Nebraska - and they are 
only deploying service in part of it.   Also paid the salaries of the 
people on their staff that do nothing but fill out government forms and 
apply for grants from federal and state sources, and that money was used 
to compete with multiple private operators.   I had to file about 40 or 
so broadband stimulus protests against one of the wireless carriers in 
our area that receives USF money because they wanted to get MORE 
government money to upgrade their network.

That is what USF money goes to.   Kill.  It.  Now.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



On 5/28/2010 10:36 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Matt,

 Although I agree with most of what you say, specifically there are huge
 risks that USF will just go straight to the Cellular carriers to build out
 more mobile phone towers to deliver broadband. In order to win a battle to
 dispand USF, we have to effectively combat other's objections to that.

 What would you propose we respond to the following common objections

 1) Alaska 

Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man

2010-05-21 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
My son and I ate at a pizza place a few months ago that still had the 
Galaga game from when I was in high school.   He wanted to play, so I 
let him run the shooter while I ran the joystick.   About 45 minutes 
later, we had the high score, and the next day I get a text message from 
one of my high school friends asking if I beat his high score on the 
Galaga machine at Godfather's Pizza, cuz he saw the same initials that I 
used back in the day.

It's a nerd's world, baby!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

PS - I have to share this link with all the nerds out there:


  http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html
  http://rainwarrior.thenoos.net/music/moon8.html

I have fond memories of my Nintendo and the Dark Side of the Moon 
8-Track that seemed to be on continuous play in my bedroom.   Someone 
put them together and it makes me feel weirdly nostalgic.

On 5/21/2010 9:38 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several
 Atari 2600 joysticks.

 I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games
 faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly
 challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played
 her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around
 me.

 Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: I
 married such a nerd.

 :)

 ryan



 On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com  wrote:


   But dd...

 Robert West wrote:

 Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work!







 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

2010-05-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Paul,

Freeside is supposedly set up very well to do VOIP rating and billing.   
There are several very large VOIP operations that use it for their 
billing right now, and although I have not set it up, all of the 
facilities are there to tie it in.

As far as documentation, yeah, it is very sparse.   I don't think that 
it is necessarily to get people to pay for support, I think it is more 
like they don't have people on staff to write documentation.   They 
basically do support and write code.   The wiki has gotten better, but 
it is still a far cry from being comprehensive.   If you have access to 
some linux/perl/sql people, you can probably get it installed.

I actually got Freeside installed and running on a machine back in 
2002.   I think it took me a full week of messing around to get it 
installed.   When I finally did get it running, I messed around with it 
for a month, and then took the hard drive out of the machine and put it 
on a shelf.I think it is still around here somewhere.It is a 
trophy - like the first time I solved a Rubiks Cube and I put it on the 
shelf for a month afterward.   While I am sure that my sysadmin and I 
could get it installed and running, we leave that to the Freeside 
support crew because they can do it easier and know how to fix most of 
the issues that come up.

Freeside is kind of like the billing version of Mikrotik.   It is 
complicated and has a relatively steep learning curve, but there is good 
available commercial support for it, and because it is open source it 
can be modified to do just about anything.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 5/12/2010 4:17 AM, Paul Hendry wrote:
 Hey Matt,

   I'm just about to start looking at Freeside for automating VoIP rating 
 and billing. Have you had any joy with that? Only problem with Freeside I've 
 seen so far is the lack of documentation which I'm guessing is on purpose to 
 get you to pay for support.

 Many thanks,

 Paul.

 -Original Message-
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com]
 Sent: 11 May 2010 21:07
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

 We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System.   The next upgrade of
 Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also
 supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT.

 This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that
 have to be dealt with on occasion.

 All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing,
 but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have
 access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some
 coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to
 Freeside.   We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth
 control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and
 integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late
 paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical
 support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:

 Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode
 at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock!
 and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were
 advertised. :(

 I ended up not going with them.

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote:


  
 I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything.
 Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs.

 - Original Message -
 From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


 $1 For everything or just half the features?

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



 Something like $1/active account.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com   wrote:

  
 How much does powercode cost?


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


 On


 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

 I use Powercode.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software




 I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets

Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

2010-05-11 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System.   The next upgrade of 
Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also 
supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT.

This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that 
have to be dealt with on occasion.

All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing, 
but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have 
access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some 
coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to 
Freeside.   We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth 
control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and 
integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late 
paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical 
support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode
 at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock!
 and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were
 advertised. :(

 I ended up not going with them.

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote:


 I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything.
 Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs.

 - Original Message -
 From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


 $1 For everything or just half the features?

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  
 Something like $1/active account.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com  wrote:

 How much does powercode cost?


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
 On
  
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

 I use Powercode.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


  
 I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets,
 appointments, and customer information.  Can anyone suggest a good
 software
 that can do this.  Id like to have web access.  I've looked at a few
 but
 have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of

 what
  
 others have used and like.  Thanks for any input.

 Sara





  

 
  
 
  
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[WISPA] Bandwidth Cap Implementation

2010-05-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Since there has been a lot of discussion about bandwidth caps on this 
list recently, I thought that I would share the one that we recently 
implemented, along with some details on how we are enforcing it and how 
we established the caps.

Going back to day 1, we have had a 3gig cap on broadband customers with 
a $25/gig surcharge for anyone exceeding that amount. When we were using 
all StarOS V2, the radius accounting information was keeping fairly 
close track of the bandwidth per customer. Fast forward six years, and 
that cap was so low as to be a joke -- and we had not been enforcing it. 
It was also very difficult to collect accurate accounting data - StarOS 
evolved and the radius accounting became useless in version 3, so some 
access points were tracking it and others were not. We also have a few 
Tranzeo and Mikrotik access points in the system and no good way to 
collect the individual subscriber download information from them either.

After looking at several different options for collecting the bandwidth 
traffic information, we decided to use open source tools to develop our 
own solution. We installed a switch between our core and edge routers -- 
behind the NAT so that it could see all customer's IP addresses -- and 
mirrored a port to our new collection server. The collection server is a 
Linux box running CentOS 5.2. The linux box is using softflowd-0.98 to 
collect the netflows, and flow-tools-v-0.68.5 to look at the data. Daily 
reports are mailed out to our techs list to show the customer who are 
nearing or over their caps. A customer page was created that shows the 
customers how much bandwidth they have used, how much they have left 
before charges and what their overage charges are (if any). The customer 
page also shows their historical usage trend for the last 12 months -- 
starting with April 2010 when we started collecting the information. 
Starting on June 1, we will bill overages as a separate charge to the 
customers on the 1^st of the month, regardless of their billing 
anniversary.

The process of implementing this was quite interesting. Out of 2000+ 
customers, 80 used more than 10 gigs for the month. One customer - a 1 
meg subscriber at the far eastern edge of our network, behind seven 
wireless hops and on an 802.11b AP -- downloaded 140gig. Another one, on 
the far western side of our network, downloaded 110gig. We called them 
and found out that they were watching a ton of online video. We 
discovered a county government connection that was around 100gig -- 
mostly because someone in the sheriff's department was pounding for 
BitTorrent files from 1am to 7am in the morning, and sometimes crashing 
their firewall machine because of the traffic. We also discovered that 
there was 80-100meg of stateless udp type traffic traversing our routed 
network and getting to our core router. Revised firewall rules on the 
APs fixed this problem. The majority of the rest of the subs on the list 
were either online video watchers, people with virus problems or who had 
left filesharing programs running on their computers.

After reviewing the usage records, we decided on the following cap sizes 
for our plans:

Package Monthly Download Cap

384k 10 gigabytes

640k 10 gigabytes

1 meg 20 gigabytes

2 meg 40 gigabytes

3 meg 50 gigabytes

4 meg 60 gigabytes

8 meg 80 gigabytes

Additional capacity over cap $1 per gigabyte over the cap

I feel that these caps are more than generous, and should have a minimal 
effect on the majority of our customers. With our backbone consumption 
per customer increasing, implementing caps of some kind became a 
necessity. I am not looking at the caps as a new profit center -- they 
are a deterrent as much as anything. It will provide an incentive for 
customers to upgrade to a faster plan with a higher cap, or take their 
download habits to a competitor and chew up someone else's bandwidth.

This has been an educational experience, and probably one that we should 
have gone through a couple of years ago. I would like to thank the 
people on the WISPA and Butch Evans' Mikrotik lists for their input 
while we were developing this system.

Matt Larsen

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[WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency

2010-04-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old 
WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia and 
how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I 
see them.   For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that 
perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us:

http://lowdenplan.com/

The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those 
of you who might be interested.

Matt Larsen
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The Mikrotik Chickens story

During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an 
off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night 
activities.   At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis 
from Mikrotik.   For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very 
softspoken and intelligent guy.   The rest of the people in the limo 
were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and 
watched.   At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him 
what the gentlemen's clubs in Latvia were like.   At the same time, 
someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up 
with money to get it.   Between the two conversations, I thought that 
something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia.   
Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment:

Me:  Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club?
John:  I don't know.
Me:  Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string!

 From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik 
guys the business about chickens as currency.   A picture of a chicken 
in a hotel lobby became the Latvian Express Card.   An order of wings 
is pocket change  Etc etc.   It has been an endless source of 
amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else.

Arnis got me at the last MUM.   He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and 
started laughing at me.   I asked him what was so funny.   He said that 
Vista means chicken in Latvian.   So the Latvian version of my 
business name is Chicken Wireless.Of course, this turned out to be 
total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I went 
online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is calis.

Well played Arnis.




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Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

2010-04-14 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Right on schedule, its time for the 802.11 vs Canopy crusades.

If you deploy it right, you should be able to get about 40-50 subs on 
802.11 based APs.   If your application is going to require higher 
density than that, go with Canopy, as you can probably get 120-150 per 
AP before they max out.If you intend to deploy symmetrical speeds, 
you should probably deploy Canopy.

10mhz channel sizes seem to make a big difference on 802.11, as you can 
then put up more sectors and the throughput doesn't diminish that much 
with the half-size channels.   I wouldn't put up Ubiquiti or Tranzeo 
APs, I would definitely go with StarOS or Mikrotik for the APs to get 
the added functionality that they offer.   I have several thousand subs 
deployed on my network and on networks that I designed handling VOIP and 
just about any other application needed by the end users just fine - all 
with 802.11 based gear.   A special thanks to the Canopy guys out there 
who have been selling me their used Tranzeo CPEs - your old radios are 
alive and well on my network.   Win-Win.

If you are going to scale to huge numbers per AP, you will need to be 
just as concerned with obtaining high-capacity backhaul than PtMP 
performance.   The 802.11 based backhauls are cheap and ubiquitous and 
do pretty good up to about 20meg, but they are about done at that 
point.   Drop the extra coin and get licensed backhauls.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 4/13/2010 8:06 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 This is what I am in the process of doing now.  We have another 200 subs
 to be converted next month.  Then another 100 subs after that.  Not only
 is it a multiple truck roll incident, but I already paid for the
 MikroTik gear...and now am replacing customer equipment with Canopy.
 ROI just got extended an additional 6 months.  We just replaced a
 complete Trango 900 AP with Canopy 900.  Performance is just better and
 it scales.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 9:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

 Hi,

 Let's keep it simple and easy. With Canopy your system can scale
 infinitely (due to GPS sync) and latency is always very low and
 consistent (less than 10ms). With UBNT, you can build a system much
 cheaper, and one that will probably work in a small, rural area.
 However, it does not scale.

 So, the question you have to ask is: Will your network ever grow to the
 size that you run out of channels? On a single tower, there are roughly
 six legal channels in the 5.8ghz band (using 20mhz channel size). None
 of the other channels are legal with UBNT gear. So you have 6 channels
 to use for your entire network, and you can't co-locate near adjacent
 channels, and you can't have two AP's on different towers facing each
 other on the same channel.

 The problem we made on our network was trying to use Mikrotik for PtMP
 deployments and discovering that it doesn't scale. We ended up having to
 go to every customer we had installed on two big towers and change them
 out to Canopy. So we had to roll a truck twice. :(

 Travis
 Microserv


 Glenn Kelley wrote:

 In trying to make the right buying decision - some simple answers may
 help.



 1.  What is the meantime failure rate for your ubiquity equipment

 2.  What is the avg amount of truck rolls per week you run to fix an
 issue vs the # of customers you have?
 ie- if you have say 1500 clients and do 8 troubleshooting calls a week
  

 then it would be 1500/8 = .0053% )

 3.  how often does a tech call come in (w/o a truck roll) that is
 equipment related...  For some reason I think some of the ubiquity
 radios just need a power cycle and voila - they behave much better...
 so - what is the average # of calls per total clients that come in
 that are fixed w/ simple methods vs a truck roll for the ubiquity
 users ...



 Moto Users - do you have this info as well:

 Reason I ask is because I am wondering - if the cost of Moto is
 actually worth it...  as a smaller operator - this information would
 be most beneficial for sure.

 Buying a Moto radio - even if 2 or 3 times the $$ if - the service
 calls on the back side are much less - might be worth it.

 Perhaps the cost of Radio vs People (both in manpower as well as
 client satisfaction for uptime) make the buying decision much
 easier...  but having some numbers to go along with this would be
  
 great.


 Thanks




  
 
 

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[WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup

2010-04-13 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Apparently my tirade about broadband mapping reached a few ears in 
Washington, as the NE PSC called me this afternoon to let me know that 
the NTIA is willing to accept shape files and is willing to relax some 
of the data requirements in order to get fuller representation from 
WISPs.Making ourselves heard and showing a willingness to be part of 
the solution is the first step to getting better results.


Here is a copy of the email that I sent to the Nebraska PSC today with 
my followup comments.   Other commentary and discussion regarding this 
is available at Wireless Cowboys http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


I am writing with further comments and concerns about the Nebraska 
Broadband Mapping Initiative. After participating in the conference call 
about the mapping program yesterday, I was left with several concerns.

My first concern is about the accuracy of the data that will be 
collected. The number of providers that have not responded to the NDA 
request and/or the data request is very high, and that means that there 
will be substantial inaccuracies in the final dataset that will make the 
final results of the project flawed. A dataset that only includes 20-50% 
of the total data needed could lead to policy decisions that could have 
an adverse affect on the smaller providers that cover otherwise unserved 
areas by encouraging government supported overbuilds. This would be 
wasteful of taxpayer money and could put many of the smaller providers 
out of business, causing a net loss of jobs and the loss of broadband 
service to customers of those smaller providers. It is critical that 
most if not all of the broadband providers in the state be represented 
in this project. The attitude that the state contractor appears to have 
is that non respondents will simply not be included. I would hope that 
this attitude will change to be more inclusive of the smaller, 
non-wireline providers who do not have the ability to generate the 
requested data easily.

My second concern is about the data that is being requested. The data 
request template is asking for a lot of data that I don't feel 
comfortable divulging to any outside entities, including customer 
addresses, GPS coordinates and frequencies used on our towers and the 
anchor institutions that we serve. Many of the other WISPs that I work 
with are also not comfortable turning this information over to an 
outside party, even with the NDA. After several discussions with other 
experts in the mapping and data collection field, I have come to the 
conclusion that the mapping requirements would be effectively served by 
delivering the GIS shape files of our coverage areas along with a 
summary of subscribers in each census block. I have already delivered 
the requested shape files showing our coverage, and am working toward 
the census block summaries. If the data requirements could be adjusted 
so that this information would be suitable, I believe that you would get 
more response from the smaller providers.

My third concern is about the cost for smaller, non-wireline providers 
to collect the data. While most wireline providers already have shape 
files and geocoding information already collected and available, many 
wireless providers do not have this information readily available and do 
not have the tools or technical knowledge to get this information 
collected within the requested time frame. Committing man hours to do 
this in-house or bring in outside assistance places an undue financial 
burden on providers that are often self-funded and would prefer to 
invest that money into their networks. The grant was given to the PSC, 
not the providers, and yet we are being asked to spend our time and 
money to get this information together. Coming up with a way to help 
provide the manpower and financial assistance necessary to collect this 
information would provide a win-win situation for the providers and the 
PSC and increase the amount of data collected.

Finally, I believe that more effective outreach could be established 
with the providers so that the comfort level is higher. Sending an email 
with a large data request and a short deadline for response is not going 
to be received well. A series of emails with detailed explanations of 
the program's purposes and benefits to providers, an intelligently 
designed website with progress reports and followup phone calls to the 
providers who have not returned the information would go over much 
better. WISPs have not been required to collect this information up to 
this point and there is no mandate for its collection, so it makes sense 
to build up a positive relationship rather than dictate what should be 
provided. One benefit of this process is that it is an opportunity for 
the Public Service Commission to build a rapport with the WISPs and gain 
a better understanding of their place in the broadband infrastructure 
while educating them about the purposes and 

Re: [WISPA] When to route?

2010-04-13 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
When to route?   From the very start!!!

If you take the time to learn the basics of OSPF, implement NAT and/or 
use private IPs for the links between systems and use a logical design 
for your subnets it is relatively easy to route.   Understanding the 
basics of OSPF is really key, because static routing gets too 
complicated after the first few nodes and OSPF will handle it all much 
easier.   OSPF also makes it possible to build automatic failover into 
the network.   I have several rings in my network that automatically 
re-route in different directions when there are outages and I can easily 
set preference for traffic to flow in different directions based on 
backhaul capacity, latency and other factors.

Bridging is a disaster waiting to happen.   Every day that you run a 
bridged network is a day closer to the eventual disaster.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 4/13/2010 11:37 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Yes if you route at the CPE then the backhauls can bridge and your
 (mostly) good (this is how i do it)
 What you need to worry about here is clients who plug in their routers
 backwards and things like that.
 It helps if you do not have client routers (routing/dhcp in the CPE,
 switch inside)


 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mark Dueckm...@netking.bz  wrote:

 Question: If you have all client computers behind a router, then you are
 mostly protected from broadcasting and the need for routing is not that
 high, right?

 I have a small network and I'm starting to do some routing between
 longer backhaul links, and between cities. So far, I don't know if I've
 seen a difference yet.

 On 04/13/2010 10:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
  
 We're up to about 400 subs on one half of the network.  We're about to start
 routing.  We'll know in a few months if it helps or not.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Greg Ihnenos10ru...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:02 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] When to route?




 OK, I know: friends don't let friends bridge networks. But at what if
 the networks are small?

 The reason I ask is I'm wondering if I'd have anything to gain by setting
 up static routing (now that the new UBNT beta added this to the gui).

 What I have is a satellite internet modem going to an MT box. The MT box
 is wired to an 802.11g AP/wired switch (which has wireless clients). Also
 wired to that switch are two backhauls with clients at the far ends. One
 backhaul is a pair of PS2's (the one closest to the switch is WDS Station
 and the far end is WDS AP with clients). The other backhaul is a pair of
 NS5M's running Airmax (obviously no clients) and wired to the far NS5M is
 a Bullet 2M running as 802.11b/g/n AP with clients. All the hardware is in
 the 192.168.7.x/24 range as are most of the clients, though I give some
 clients addresses in the 192.168.0.x/24 range to keep them isolated from
 the hardware and other clients. The MT box doesn't allow traffic between
 the 192.168.7.x and the 192.168.0.x net.


   
 ---PS2~~~PS2
 with clients (192.168.0.x)
 /
 Sat modem---MT box---switch/ap with clients 192.168.7.x
 \
   
 NS5M~NS5MBullet2M
 with clients 192.168.7.x


 I'm assuming now traffic for all clients transit all segments of the
 network i.e. traffic for a client wirelessly connected to the Bullet2M is
 also transiting the segment of the network comprised of the PS2's. Is that
 right or does the gear (in this case the switch joining the different
 segments of the network learn who's where and route the traffic
 accordingly? I'm assuming not. So if I made it so the clients on each AP
 were in a different subnet and static routed then traffic would only
 travel the pertinent network segment?

 Greg


 
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Re: [WISPA] connected nation mapping data

2010-04-12 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I was on a conference call with the State of Nebraska broadband mapping 
contractors and the Public Service Commission this morning and came away 
with a bad feeling.

Based on the Form477 data, and the PSC's broadband provider registration 
information, there are 283 broadband providers in the state of 
Nebraska.  But they only have complete information for about 25, and 
signed NDAs from only 160.   I offered to them that they would have 
better luck getting data if they weren't asking for so much 
information.The data template that they ask for includes:

1)  All subscriber addresses, and the type of broadband deployed at that 
location
2)  GPS coordinates for all of our tower locations, the types of 
antennas provided and the frequencies in use at that location
3)  Key anchor institutions that are receiving service from our system

I have had a couple of phone calls and several emails back and forth 
with the mapping subcontractors, and they (and the PSC) are still 
adamant about the data collection requirements.   I thought that we had 
negotiated to the point that they would accept a shape file and a 
summary of the number of subscribers per census block, but the phone 
call this morning confirmed that incomplete data submissions (ones that 
do not include the tower verification information and subscriber 
information in the format that they requested) will not be included in 
the summary data, or the state broadband availability map that will be 
released to the public.

The contractors and the attorney for the PSC gave the indication that 
the NTIA is mandating this level of data collection, and that their NDA 
should be enough protection to ensure the safety of our proprietary 
information.   My position, and the position of the majority of WISP 
operators that I have visited with, is that I am not going to turn over 
the information that they are asking for.   Full disclosure of all my 
tower sites and the addresses of my customers is an onerous request and 
fundamentally unnecessary to determine where broadband coverage exists 
within the state.   I would prefer to run the risk of being overbuilt by 
a government funded program in the future than to turn over information 
to entities (NTIA in particular) that could be legally obligated to turn 
over that information through a FOIA request.

I don't know whether it is too late to push back at the NTIA to reduce 
the data that they are requesting.   I can sympathise to a certain 
degree with the PSC and the contractors, as they are just trying to 
collect the data that NTIA has mandated them to collect.  But they are 
simply asking for too much information.   In the end, it will be another 
inaccurate representation of broadband coverage and that information 
will be used to develop policy and programs that will make the 
competitive environment for WISPs and other independent ISPs even more 
difficult to succeed in.   That sucks.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



On 4/12/2010 10:29 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 BTOP Mapping grants given to States are  Federal initiatives. The states
 have to answer and report to the Feds on their progress.

 Basically they will report to the Feds, who they contacted, and who provided
 info and who didn't. The State mappers have little authority to do anything
 about whether you give them information or not.
 But the Feds potentially could.  Remember it is FCC policy/law to provide
 Form 477 data, down to Census track.

 It may come down to a legal issue on whether the FCC has authority to demand
 confidential information or not from provate companies.  When a WISP does
 not provide info, whether the Feds or States make a stink about it, may
 depend on the impact of the data that would be missing, and their real legal
 opinion which I'm sure they would not truly disclose outside of court.

 In MD, we were just contacted, and the mapping initiative is really a racket
 for free money. MD had already started a very substanial mapping effort at
 the State Level. But that is considered different. So with teh BTOP mapping
 grant they got, they cant or choose not to use the pre-existing MApping
 platform, and basically are starting a seperate project to comply to the
 federal initatives. Basically DOUBLE spending, to get the FREE money. Or
 maybe I should say different applicants would be beneficiaries of the
 mapping funds.  The mapping group in our state was given to a legit group
 that was formed by the state and gained many members of wireline and fiber
 carriers.

 They reached out to me with intent to try to amicably work with us, but they
 were surprised by some of the comments that I made prior. For example, they
 brought up the benefit of lead generation if I filed. I stated... If they
 were going to post my coverage and contact info for the world to see, I
 wouldn't file because I dont want everyone from all over the place calling
 me for service, because it would clog our sales lines with unqualified or
 less 

Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

2010-04-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and 
none of them were funded.

Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of 
the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all 
worked up about the waste until it finally comes to pass.   It was 
pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot 
of stupid, wasteful applications.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Insert explicatives here


 Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.

 Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? Who can do X users for the lowest $
 I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
 those new users
 will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
 applies for my area, I
 manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS about
 upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. Not 
 good


 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  wrote:

 Hi,

 So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
 will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
 their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
 upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes
 per second.

 The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
 That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

 Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
 Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
 or 5 provider choices.

 Let the waste begin :(

 Travis
 Microserv




 
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[WISPA] Blocking UDP traffic

2010-04-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
While working on our bandwidth monitoring system, we noticed a lot of 
strange traffic that had no apparent route through our system, but was 
coming across the wire between our core router and our NAT router.   The 
traffic would be destined for addresses like '192.168.0.10', 
'192.168.4.5' and the like.I couldn't understand how this traffic 
was even getting this far across our network, as it is fully routed and 
none of these subnets are even in our routing tables.   We do use 
192.168.x.x addresses to give to our customers but they are from 
192.168.33.0 to 192.168.255.0, and this traffic was definitely not 
destined for legitimate hosts on our network.

As we watched one IP address that was spewing this traffic, we looked it 
up and found out that it was actually sourced from the wireless 
connection at my home.   The traffic was UDP packets of SNMP destined to 
a 192.168.4.x address (internal to our main office) and a 192.168.5.x 
address (internal at my wife's studio).After shutting down all of 
the PCs at home, she turned her laptop back on and the traffic started 
up again.   Turns out that she had two Brother printer drivers for older 
printers that were mapped to TCP/IP ports.   We used to have a VPN box 
at home to tie into those networks, but took it out about a year ago and 
now just have a Belkin router that does the NAT for the house.   With 
the VPN gone, apparently the printer drivers were still sending out SNMP 
traffic with UDP and somehow that traffic was getting through our NAT 
router and going into our network.   Once the printer drivers were 
deleted, the traffic stopped.

After we removed the filter for my IP, we started seeing all kinds of 
similar UDP traffic coming across the wire from many different 
customers, mostly intended for IP addresses on the 192.168.0.0 and 
192.168.1.0 networks.   So now I'm trying to figure out a way to block 
this traffic at the AP so that it doesn't consume backbone resources.   
I can only imagine how much of the traffic on our network is this kind 
of garbage.

There are a couple of catches here.   We use StarOS APs, but connection 
tracking is turned off to save on CPU, so I don't think that I can do 
any of the standard firewalling on the APs.   We do use Mikrotik routers 
in our NOC and a couple of spots where we have licensed links, bu since 
StarOS is on our APs and our backhauls and also handles all of our OSPF 
routing - the traffic will go a long way before it gets blocked by anything.

My initial thought is that we could just setup a static route of 
192.168.0.0/19 to 127.0.0.1 on each access point.   Then that traffic 
basically goes to /dev/null.

Anyone else have any ideas on how to handle this?

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com




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Re: [WISPA] Speaking of Tranzeo......

2010-03-31 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I have had issues on FM Towers that cause problems with ethernet - not 
just with Tranzeo either.   We are getting ready to run fiber up an FM 
tower in the next two weeks to resolve ongoing ethernet issues.   One of 
the FM stations most likely has an antenna going bad that is causing the 
problem.   Same thing happened last year, and two weeks after we ran the 
fiber, the main FM antenna at that tower burned up, with holes melted 
through the connectors at the bottom.They were lucky it didn't burst 
into flames.

Tranzeo's ethernet setup is actually pretty robust.   There is a ferrite 
bead inside on the ethernet jumper and it does seem to make it work 
better than a few other radios I have used.

Matt Larsen
mlar...@vistabeam.com


On 3/31/2010 3:13 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
 Ok router swapped out for a different mfg ? You didn't specifically say you 
 replaced the poe, just power supply.


 -- Original Message --
 From: Kosinet Wirelesswirel...@kosinet.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:22:41 -0400


 We've been primarily an Alvarion WISP in the past, but decided to use higher
 speed / lower cost gear for our expansion. Went with the Tranzeo 2.4 stuff
 for a new POP recently. Connected our first Client out there. After we read
 all of the words and realized that Vertical Polarity was the other way, we
 now have great signal.  :-)

 The problem is, we're losing Ethernet connectivity on the inside to the
 Router. About every 10-15 minutes, it drops off, then comes back on its own
 after about 5 minutes. We've replaced Radios, Cable Ends, Power Supply,
 Router, Changed IP Addresses - Still drops off.

 It's a TR-CPQ unit in bridged mode - Any time that the Router is off-line,
 I can still access the Radio.

 Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

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[WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hello list,

I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly 
bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a 
hard time coming up with a good solution.  

Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate 
three things:

1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and 
that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will 
show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of 
each month
3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can 
import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we 
can bill overages

Our system is setup as follows:
   
1)  StarOS access points
2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links
3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone

Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting 
information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as 
we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would 
easily convert to PPPoE.

Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as 
that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its 
pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow 
data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate 
and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We 
have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, 
and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.

We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed 
levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, 
which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not 
responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open 
source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what 
we need.   My preference is to go open source because we have multiple 
backbone connections and also because I have several consulting 
customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their 
networks.   Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and 
can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed.

We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring 
server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data 
flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer 
something that runs on Linux.  

I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, 
linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find 
the email where he lays all of the elements out.   Does anyone have any 
recommendations for this situation?

Thanks!

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
That is a great link!   I don't think it will solve my immediate 
problem,  but I may look at using this to replace our current Cacti 
server at some point.

Matt Larsen
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On 3/30/2010 1:30 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
 Matt -

 I almost forgot the link

 http://cactiez.cactiusers.org/



 On Mar 30, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


 I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
 bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
 hard time coming up with a good solution.

 Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
 three things:

 1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and
  
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
IPTrack is Brandon Checkett's program, and we did experiment with it, 
but it doesn't do exactly what we are looking for, and we were concerned 
about its apparent lack of any new development.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 3/30/2010 1:32 PM, Scott Reed wrote:
 If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have
 have the MTs report by IP address back to the server.
 I  have done this on my network, though it is not running right now.  I
 would be glad to help if you opt to go this way.

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

 Hello list,

 I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
 bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
 hard time coming up with a good solution.

 Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
 three things:

  1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and
 that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
  2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will
 show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of
 each month
  3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can
 import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we
 can bill overages

 Our system is setup as follows:

  1)  StarOS access points
  2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links
  3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
  4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
  5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone

 Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting
 information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as
 we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would
 easily convert to PPPoE.

 Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as
 that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its
 pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow
 data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate
 and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We
 have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate,
 and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.

 We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed
 levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program,
 which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not
 responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open
 source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what
 we need.   My preference is to go open source because we have multiple
 backbone connections and also because I have several consulting
 customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their
 networks.   Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and
 can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed.

 We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring
 server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data
 flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer
 something that runs on Linux.

 I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source,
 linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find
 the email where he lays all of the elements out.   Does anyone have any
 recommendations for this situation?

 Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
StarOS is NATting at each backbone location - that is why I wanted to 
put this collection in place between the core router and the NAT router 
so it can see the customer data in its native (pre-NATted) state.

Matt Larsen
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On 3/30/2010 1:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Scott,

 4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location

 It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net  
 wrote:

 If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have
 have the MTs report by IP address back to the server.
 I  have done this on my network, though it is not running right now.  I
 would be glad to help if you opt to go this way.

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
  
 Hello list,

 I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
 bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
 hard time coming up with a good solution.

 Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
 three things:

  1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and
 that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
  2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will
 show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of
 each month
  3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can
 import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we
 can bill overages

 Our system is setup as follows:

  1)  StarOS access points
  2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links
  3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
  4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
  5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone

 Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting
 information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as
 we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would
 easily convert to PPPoE.

 Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as
 that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its
 pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow
 data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate
 and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We
 have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate,
 and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.

 We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed
 levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program,
 which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not
 responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open
 source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what
 we need.   My preference is to go open source because we have multiple
 backbone connections and also because I have several consulting
 customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their
 networks.   Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and
 can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed.

 We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring
 server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data
 flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer
 something that runs on Linux.

 I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source,
 linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find
 the email where he lays all of the elements out.   Does anyone have any
 recommendations for this situation?

 Thanks!

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Josh,

I'm wanting to track how much each individual customers is using so I 
can bill the ones that go over our bandwidth cap.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 3/30/2010 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 I think we need to find out if I am looking for a solution that will
 keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my
 broadband customers... means how much you're entire upstream is using
 or how much each customer is using individually so you can find the
 top few heavy users.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net  
 wrote:

 3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
 I took it that all traffic goes through these as well.

 Matt, does all your traffic run through an MT somewhere on its way out?



 Josh Luthman wrote:
  
 Scott,

 4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location

 It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net  
 wrote:


 If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have
 have the MTs report by IP address back to the server.
 I  have done this on my network, though it is not running right now.  I
 would be glad to help if you opt to go this way.

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

  
 Hello list,

 I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
 bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
 hard time coming up with a good solution.

 Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
 three things:

  1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and
 that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
  2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will
 show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of
 each month
  3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can
 import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we
 can bill overages

 Our system is setup as follows:

  1)  StarOS access points
  2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links
  3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
  4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
  5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone

 Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting
 information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as
 we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would
 easily convert to PPPoE.

 Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as
 that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its
 pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow
 data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate
 and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We
 have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate,
 and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.

 We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed
 levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program,
 which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not
 responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open
 source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what
 we need.   My preference is to go open source because we have multiple
 backbone connections and also because I have several consulting
 customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their
 networks.   Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and
 can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed.

 We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring
 server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data
 flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer
 something that runs on Linux.

 I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source,
 linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find
 the email where he lays all of the elements out.   Does anyone have any
 recommendations for this situation?

 Thanks!

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com



 
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions

2010-03-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Actually, I could potentially do it from the Mikrotik router at the 
core, behind the StarOS NAT server.   Only problem is that the NetFlow 
collector on Mikrotik is broken.   That is why we are leaning toward 
something between the core and NAT servers to collect the data.

Queues will not work, as I would have to put 2000+ queues into that box 
and they are unnecessary because we have queues in the StarOS APs doing 
the bandwidth control further out.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 3/30/2010 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Then you will need to find a solution with StarOS.  Can you maybe set
 a single queue for each customer and then obtain that via SNMP?

 I'm totally unfamiliar with StarOS.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
 li...@manageisp.com  wrote:

 Hi Josh,

 I'm wanting to track how much each individual customers is using so I
 can bill the ones that go over our bandwidth cap.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 On 3/30/2010 1:57 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
  
 I think we need to find out if I am looking for a solution that will
 keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my
 broadband customers... means how much you're entire upstream is using
 or how much each customer is using individually so you can find the
 top few heavy users.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net
 wrote:


 3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
 I took it that all traffic goes through these as well.

 Matt, does all your traffic run through an MT somewhere on its way out?



 Josh Luthman wrote:

  
 Scott,

  4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location

 It's StarOS NATing the customers off of the backbone.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue that counts.”
 --- Winston Churchill



 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net   
  wrote:



 If you can run IPTrack (see some of Marlon's previous posts) you have
 have the MTs report by IP address back to the server.
 I  have done this on my network, though it is not running right now.  I
 would be glad to help if you opt to go this way.

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


  
 Hello list,

 I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly
 bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a
 hard time coming up with a good solution.

 Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate
 three things:

   1)  Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers 
 and
 that is in a database form that we can perform queries on
   2)  Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that 
 will
 show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of
 each month
   3)  A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we 
 can
 import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we
 can bill overages

 Our system is setup as follows:

   1)  StarOS access points
   2)  OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone 
 links
   3)  Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location
   4)  StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location
   5)  Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone

 Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting
 information returned by the StarOS APs.   PPPoE is also not an option as
 we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would
 easily convert to PPPoE.

 Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as
 that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its
 pre-NAT status.   We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow
 data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate
 and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports.  We
 have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate,
 and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data.

 We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed
 levels of success.   I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program,
 which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not
 responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open
 source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what
 we

[WISPA] Interesting...

2010-03-24 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Clearwire steals the show at CTIA

http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-show-at-ctia/

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] WISP's are killing themselves!!!! - New FCC form 477 report is out, not looking good for Fixed Wireless

2010-02-15 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I will agree that it is not a good thing that we are not reporting our 
data.  

However

I did not submit my Form477 data until September, simply because I had 
no way to give them accurate data!   Generating the data by zip codes 
was easy, as all we had to do was take the zip codes from our billing or 
service location information, spit out a report and be on our way.   
Generating the codes by census tract was a nightmare, and I told the 
people at the FCC that I would not be submitting the data until I could 
get it as I did not have any way to provide it!

I don't think that I would be going out on a limb to say that I run a 
professional WISP operation, with good documentation, accurate billing 
and a high degree of technical expertise.   Until the definition of the 
Form477 form came out last year requiring census tract information, 
there was no requirement for maintaining census tract information.   
There is also no accurate way to geocode census tract information from 
address information, as we found out when we ran our customer addresses 
through a geolocation database and ended up with an approximate 50% 
accuracy rate.   So here is the result - I operate a professionally run, 
well documented WISP operation and I was unable to comply with the 
requirements of the report.   I did send multiple messages to the people 
at the FCC in charge of the 477 and let them know why I had not 
completed the report, and we finally ended up submitting the information 
on the second report of the year with a note on the application that 
indicated we felt the data submitted was partially inaccurate due to 
geocoding database errors and we would work on cleaning up our own data 
going forward.   I can only imagine what the burden of trying to get 
this information is for the WISP operators who don't have the kind of 
resources I have to work with.  

Start to finish, the census tract requirement was a damn mess.

Going forward, we are developing a 477 report program that will get our 
information out of Freeside and generate the appropriate 477 required 
data.   Right now, I have GPS coordinates for about 20% of my customers, 
and we have a page where employees can login and get a real-time list of 
all the customers that don't have GPS coordinates.   We are using a 
combination of geocode database lookups using their service address to 
determine the unknown GPS coordinates, and if that data is obviously 
incorrect, we use the driving directions combined with Google Earth to 
determine the correct location.   Each of my employees are taking some 
time to work on this and we anticipate having all of our legacy data 
updated by June 1.   It is a giant pain in the ass, but is somewhat 
mitigated by being able to take a few months and a little bit of time 
everyday to get it updated.That is the only way that I am going to 
be able to deliver accurate data.  

If the FCC went back to just asking for zip codes, the WISP subscriber 
number would probably be over 1 million.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Brian Webster wrote:
 The latest FCC report on form 477 broadband data is out
 (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-296239A1.pdf). While
 I don't see a whole lot of useful data in it, I do see where WISP's are
 killing themselves and the industry, why?

   a.. In the periods prior to the December 2008 report, fixed wireless has
 shown a steady increase in subscribers. The last reporting period the number
 of subscribers dropped from 808,000 to 488,000!!! That's a 39.6% drop in the
 actual data that had been previously reported. Know I know that most of the
 problem is the fact they now require census tract reporting rather than zip
 codes, but dropping like this does not help the industry as a whole.
   b.. Because of the low number of reported subscribers, the reporting by
 technology portions of the report does not even earn fixed wireless a spot
 on the charts in it's own category. It's lumped in with the 1.4% total of
 all other technologies compared to the rest of the broadband industry. Hell
 Satellite has their own category with .9%.
   c.. The total number of fixed wireless providers reporting is 617. That
 means there are a huge number of WISP's not filing form 477 and those that
 didn't report must have a large number of subscribers. The previous period
 where fixed wireless had 808,000 subscribers had only 505 WISP's report!
 Matt Larsen and the WISP directory have around 1,800 WISP's registered. I've
 heard other estimates between 2,000 and over 4,000. Only 617 fixed wireless
 operators reporting is not helping the cause at all.
   d.. The National broadband plan is being formulated as we speak, looking
 at those statistics it appears the WISP industry is in a serious decline and
 that as a total percentage of broadband provided to consumers nationally,
 they make no significant difference.
 If you were a government policy maker, would you even pay attention to
 WISP's. I 

Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] [Board] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
-Note-
WISPA is currently negotiating with a trade show group to participate in 
the development of a wireless broadband show. While the decision to do 
this is not yet finalized, the show group will decide the date/location 
of the show if that is the direction that we go in.
-Note-

I also thought that a midwestern location would be better for a show, 
especially since so many WISPs are within driving distance. However, I 
also thought that the Chicago spring 2008 ISPCON would be a rousing 
success, and it was a big dud. That may be due to a lot of other 
factors, but there just wasn't much of a turnout there. There are 
substantial external costs involved in doing a Midwestern show. Flights 
are generally expensive, transportation to/from the airport can be 
challenging and hotel rooms can get very pricey in the nicer venues. The 
trade show guys prefer Vegas because flights are cheap, rooms are cheap, 
transportation from the airport is readily available and cheap and there 
is plenty to do there outside of the show. Vegas will also scale up to 
accomodate a larger event. Not everyone is going to agree with Vegas as 
the destination, but it is as appropriate of a location as any.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com



Justin Wilson wrote:
 My .02

 I have been involved with the Gi Joe Collector’s club and their annual 
 show. Granted this is a Hobby based get together with a wider 
 audience. They routinely receive 3 to 5,000 visitors at each show. 
 However, they have concentrated their shows in central part of the 
 country as much as possible. Atlanta, St. Louis, Kansas City, and some 
 others over the past couple of years. The organizers will not do any 
 shows in California or even Las Vegas due to the poor turn out for 
 these past shows. The only reason they are doing something on the East 
 Coast this year is a tie in with the manufacturer.

 I might be comparing Apples to oranges but that’s my take.
 -- 
 Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
 /CCNA – CCNT – Mikrotik Advanced
 /http://j2sw.mtin.net/blog


 
 *From: *Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
 *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Date: *Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:50:35 -0500
 *To: *'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org, 'WISPA Board Members 
 List' bo...@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org, wispas...@wispa.org
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] [Board] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 Hi Rick,

 You asked...

 Personally, I don't think that putting a small to medium sized show on is
 that big of a production. FISPA does it with minimal staff.

 I think you could hire someone to do the footwork, working with the 
 venues,
 sell the vendor sponsorships, etc. I know that Greg Boehnlein (ran Ohio
 LinuxFest for years) is available for contract work.

 IMHO, the best show that Wispa could do at this moment would be one that
 would:

 1. Raise some money
 2. Provide a fun environment for members and prospective members to meet,
 share ideas, and bond (think Wispcon 1-4)
 3. Give a solid tech track and management track
 4. Be in a central, relatively inexpensive venue with a reasonable sized
 airport (STL, Indy, Columbus, Grand Rapids, etc.)

 I do not think that hiring someone to manage this is the way to go. It 
 adds
 cost and (IMO) adds little value. Big shows are DYING. Smaller, well
 focused, regional shows are doing pretty well. I think the day will come
 when a big show will make sense, but not this year.


 Regards,

 Jeff


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 ImageStream
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:45 PM
 To: 'WISPA Board Members List'; 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org;
 wispas...@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Board] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 Butch, Members and Observers,



 There is a WISPA Board meeting this Thursday. Now is the time for all to
 weigh in on opinions on a WISPA Trade Show.



 I have met with one tradeshow developer with Matt and Forbes and have 
 spoken
 to several others by phone/email. There is great interest in outside
 parties working with WISPA to develop a show. It seems many of these
 options wish to leverage the WISPA reputation and branding to produce 
 a show
 which will be financially rewarding to private interests. The question is
 whether WISPA can produce and own its own show as a successful venture.



 Our lobbying costs have skyrocketed the last six months, there are 
 calls for
 an Executive Director by many and there is the cost of producing a
 tradeshow. Financially, WISPA is not in a position to do all three in my
 opinion. WISPA still needs to build membership or raise dues to accomplish
 all three of the above goals. It is another typical chicken and the egg
 dilemma. Give us your input.



 We can do anything we set our minds to; we have all proven 

[WISPA] Tech Support - Aaaarrrrggghhh!

2010-02-04 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Here is an entertaining customer support related link to one of my 
employee's blog posts.  

http://www.happystinkingjoy.com/?p=556

Sounds pretty typical to me.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com




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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of 
putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that 
process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own 
show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some 
potential as a fund raiser.

What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to 
put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and 
then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale 
up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right 
now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the 
day.

Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing 
to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so 
that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP 
business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show 
that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on 
a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread 
WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong 
positives.  

Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to 
the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We 
will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't 
really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go 
far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a 
staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done 
more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing 
on our own.

All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so 
that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to 
happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to 
get a show put on.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather 
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need 
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I 
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more intimate 
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.  It 
 shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together.  We know 
 who the vendors and attendees would be.  And we know, basically, what would 
 need to be presented.

 The members want a show.  The vendors want a show.  Someone just has to DO a 
 show.

 If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. 
 I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here 
 right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: li...@manageisp.com
 To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


   
 Marlon,
 The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into 
 his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides 
 are happy with the performance of his show.
 Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit 
 sharing.   They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if 
 there is any.   Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and 
 leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about 
 WISPA and get people to the show so we can turn them into members.
 This is going to end up similar to our agreement with ISPCON, but we will 
 have more say in the structure and educational parts of the show.   Also, 
 it should cost us little or no money.
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 Marlon K. Schafer writes:
 
 Hi Matt, In the end I still think we should have our own show. How clear 
 will it be made to Ed's group that we'll still be working to our own show 
 at a later date? Also, how are we going to insure that we don't end up 
 with the same problem we did with Charles for his first show?  Where 
 there is no profit to split?
 marlon - Original Message - 
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 To: wispas...@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:59 PM
 Subject: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
   
 After our visits with the people interested in the trade show and
 evaluating our options, Forbes and I are making the decision to work
 with Ed Meek's group to help promote their wireless show, with WISPA as
 one of the anchors of the show.
 The details are yet to be worked out.   What has been discussed so far
 is that WISPA will be featured prominently

Re: [WISPA] Semi-OT: Mobile phone platform questions

2010-02-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
The Nokia N900 has an awesome remote desktop client and a real 
keyboard.   I'd take one of those over an iPhone any day.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
wirelesscowboys.com
wispdirectory.com

Jerry Richardson wrote:
 WM6 has a kludgey implementation of VPN that I never could get to  
 work. The RD works well enough but is still limited.

 iPhone does VPN quite easily and there are more than a few RD apps  
 that work well.

 I'm guessing android probably does both well.

 Sent Mobile
 Jerry Richardson
 airCloud Communications

 On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:00 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net  
 wrote:

   
 Do any of the mobile phone platforms support VPN at all from the  
 phone itself?  Any have a Remote Desktop client?


 -
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Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Steve,

One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced 
costs for attendees.   The promoters want as many attendees as possible 
and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs 
will pay to come to a show like this.   I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 
day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200.
We will be working on the details this month.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and 
 WISPs?  I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for  a 3 
 day show. I never do.  However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several.  
 When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was a 
 lot smaller and easy to price low.  What is this new groups price structure? 

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of 
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that 
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own 
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some 
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to 
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and 
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale 
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right 
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the 
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing 
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so 
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP 
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show 
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on 
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread 
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong 
 positives.  

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to 
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We 
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't 
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go 
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a 
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done 
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing 
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so 
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to 
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to 
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather 
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need 
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I 
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more intimate 
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.  It 
 shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together.  We know 
 who the vendors and attendees would be.  And we know, basically, what would 
 need to be presented.

 The members want a show.  The vendors want a show.  Someone just has to DO a 
 show.

 If we can't find anyone to run the effort that certainly changes things. 
 I'm not interested in that job (putting together a Dirtbike one for here 
 right now, it's not bad but does take time...) right now.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: li...@manageisp.com
 To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show


   
 
 Marlon,
 The tentative plan with Ed's group is that we will put our efforts into 
 his show, and that we will not be doing our own show as long as both sides 
 are happy with the performance of his show.
 Also, since we are not putting any money into it, there is no profit 
 sharing.   They put in the money and the manpower, they get the profit, if 
 there is any.   Our goal in this is to build up our membership numbers and 
 leverage their promotional and marketing efforts to get the word out about

Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

2010-02-03 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hi Martha,

There will be quite a bit for the Show Committee to work on.   Two 
things I know will be important right off the bat will be coming up with 
the educational tracks about WISPs and WISP technology, lining up 
speakers and organizing the WISPA Awards/Reception.There will be 
plenty to do!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Martha Huizenga wrote:
 Matt,

 I'll be interested to see 1) how the show develops, and 2) the 
 pricing. I would also like to see the WISPA Show committee used to 
 help shape this show to something our members would like to attend. 
 We're here, we just need to be informed of what we should be doing.

 Martha

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 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Hi Steve,

 One of the conditions of WISPA supporting this show will be reduced 
 costs for attendees.   The promoters want as many attendees as possible 
 and I told them that $250 is about the upper limit of what most WISPs 
 will pay to come to a show like this.   I'd like to see the non-WISPA 3 
 day pass under $300 range, and the WISPA member 3day pass under $200.
 We will be working on the details this month.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Steve Barnes wrote:
   
 Matt, the only question I have would be the cost to attendees, vendors and 
 WISPs?  I can attend computer shows all the time for $599 to $899 for  a 3 
 day show. I never do.  However, a $75 to $200 show I've attended several.  
 When we were starting talking about the show on the promotions list it was 
 a lot smaller and easy to price low.  What is this new groups price 
 structure? 

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show

 All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions.

 I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of 
 putting on a show and evaluating our options.   Before I started on that 
 process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own 
 show.   I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some 
 potential as a fund raiser.

 What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to 
 put a show on properly.   IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and 
 then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale 
 up to the potential of the show.   The market is quite different right 
 now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the 
 day.

 Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus.   They are willing 
 to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so 
 that both sides will benefit.   They don't know much about the WISP 
 business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show 
 that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on 
 a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread 
 WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong 
 positives.  

 Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to 
 the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We 
 will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't 
 really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go 
 far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person.   These guys have a 
 staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done 
 more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing 
 on our own.

 All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so 
 that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to 
 happen.   For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to 
 get a show put on.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
   
 
 forwarding to the list.

 Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather 
 than to the sender?  Thanks,

 Matt, understood.  I'd disagree with that plan of action though.  We need 
 our own show.  It should be a fund raiser for WISPA.

 Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show.  I 
 believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event.  Lower cost, more 
 intimate 
 etc.

 I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year.  
 It 
 shouldn't take more than a few months to put something together.  We know 
 who the vendors and attendees would be.  And we know, basically, what 
 would 
 need to be presented

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-02-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I saw the spectrum analysis software at the last Ubiquiti conference in 
Las Vegas.

It is excellent.   It is also a simple firmware upgrade to certain 
radios.  I like the idea of being able to take an AP offline for a short 
time to run an analysis on the sector antenna to see what noise looks 
like.   Similar to what Trangos used to do, but this one is a really 
nice interface and readout on your PC screen.   It is very good.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
wirelesscowboys.com
wispdirectory.com

Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Jayson,

 If that turns out to be the case, it would of course be very exciting for 
 the industry.

 But, so far, both Ubiquiti and Atheros had been silent about this topic.
 Our (unofficial and non-expert) investigation inferred that Atheros chipset 
 AR9220 series (Mikrotik) has Spectrum analyzer support and last generation 
 AR9160 (Ubiquiti) does not.
 From what I understood this was a chipset or chipset middleware limit, not 
 an Operating System Firmware thing.
 So how does Ubiquiti plan to accomplish this? A Hardware upgrade?

 It would be great if I were wrong. Was this new news from the recent 
 Ubiquiti conferences?

   
 It's sweet.  I can't wait.
 

 It would have to hear other than 802.11, it would have to hear when not 
 associated, it would have to hear any channel size.

 Have you seen it? Are there Betas?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


   
 Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO
 equipment.
 Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as 
 good
 as our $30k HP analyzer.
 Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the
 antenna.
 Can even run while the radio is in use and connected, but at a slower 
 rate.
 It's sweet.  I can't wait.

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 
 MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is
 LICENSED
 spectrum.

 But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable
 backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
 The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. 
 For
 any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without
 hesitation.
 Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel
 easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up
 with
 a Dual Pol panel.
 I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for
 manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.

 I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans 
 now,
 and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if
 Interference is ever received.
 But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.

 I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are 
 a
 ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


   
 We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
 than a neighboring Trango Apex link.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 wrote:

 
 Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
 feed
 to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

 Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
 DS3
 Link!

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

 Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off
 list.

 Sent from my iPhone

 Begin forwarded message:

   
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

 
 We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
 able
 to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
 you
 for free if you wish.

 http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn

 WISPA Members get free assembly.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 

[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online

2010-01-27 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
The final installment of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.This summarizes the final impact of 
the project three months later.


Thanks to all of you who have been reading it!

Matt Larsen
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[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online

2010-01-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 is now online at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   In this segment, we finally put the 
equipment online and finish up the network deployment.

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Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online

2010-01-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Where are you sending the emails to?   Let me know if you are having any 
problems with it.

Matt Larsen
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wirelesscowboys.com
wispdirectory.com


Blake Bowers wrote:
 Is it just me, or is anyone else having a problem with this link
 to see 6 or 7?

 And emails are bouncing.


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 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 To: Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; Motorola Canopy 
 User Group motorola-us...@wispa.org; WISPA General List 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:34 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 of 8 - now online


   
 The Story of Medicine Bow Part 7 is now online at
 http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   In this segment, we finally put the
 equipment online and finish up the network deployment.

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[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow Part 6 of 8 is now online

2010-01-25 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Part 6 of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   This segment describes the equipment 
we decided to use for the deployment and the planning that went into the 
project.

 

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[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 now online

2010-01-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
The Story of Medicine Bow Part 3 of 8 is now online at 
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[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum

2010-01-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting this 
one out a little early.   This section covers how WISPs use guerilla 
warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum.

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Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow - Part 4 now online - Making a Difference with Junk Spectrum

2010-01-19 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Forgot the URL:  http://www.wirelesscowboys.com

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Headed to the Ubiquiti conference in Vegas tomorrow, so I'm putting 
 this one out a little early.   This section covers how WISPs use 
 guerilla warfare against telcos/cellcos with unlicensed spectrum.

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[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow (Part II) now online

2010-01-18 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories 
of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion 
pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves.   The 
site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   For those of you that don't know me, 
I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site 
http://www.wispdirectory.com.   My college degree is in journalism and 
this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the 
wireless mailling lists.

I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial 
kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the 
struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how 
they finally got it.   It is an eye opener for people who are not 
directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday 
struggles that WISPs face.

Parts I and II of the story have been posted on the site.

My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future.   If 
you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please 
contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com.

Thanks and have a great weekend!

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[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow and wirelesscowboys.com

2010-01-15 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories 
of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion 
pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves.   The 
site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   For those of you that don't know me, 
I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site 
http://www.wispdirectory.com.   My college degree is in journalism and 
this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the 
wireless mailling lists.

I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial 
kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the 
struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how 
they finally got it.   It is an eye opener for people who are not 
directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday 
struggles that WISPs face. 

My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future.   If 
you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please 
contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com.

Thanks and have a great weekend!

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Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how 
many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government 
trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from 
Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of 
broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the 
Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and 
illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending 
goodies to his country comrades from SBC.

Faked birth certificate?   Insinuations of local state pork mongering on 
a $160,000 loan?   Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for 
stuff to whine about.

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Marco Coelho wrote:
 Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all!

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:
   
 Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our 
 current president and all... just an observation.

 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700

 
 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS,  was one of the
 first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money.   Looks like the
 total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of
 the other ones.

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Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Capitalism is fine.   When an industry segment turns into an oligarchy 
of monopolistic entities that use their influence in government to 
severely undermine their competitors and hold back progress in the name 
of profits - that is no longer capitalism.  That is exactly what has 
happened to the telecom industry in the last ten years. 

Capitalism requires competition, a fair set of rules for the players and 
a fair amount of creative destruction.   Today's telecom industry is 
severely lacking in all three of these things.

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Josh Luthman wrote:
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 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists 
 li...@manageisp.comwrote:

   
 I suppose if you really want to look at history we could look at how
 many oil companies and Texas based telecoms sucked up to the government
 trough during the administration of our last dumb-ass president from
 Texas and start talking trash.Apparently the Republicans idea of
 broadband stimulus is to let the big boys merge with each other, gut the
 Telecom Act of '96 and kill the remaining CLEC/DSL resellers and
 illegally wiretap anyone they want to.Ol W just loved sending
 goodies to his country comrades from SBC.

 Faked birth certificate?   Insinuations of local state pork mongering on
 a $160,000 loan?   Kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to look for
 stuff to whine about.

 Matt Larsen
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 Marco Coelho wrote:
 
 Well they did provide the fake Birth Certificate and all!

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
   
 wrote:
 
 Sorta funny that Hawaii got the first, being the connection between our
 
 current president and all... just an observation.
 
 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:48 -0700


 
 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS,  was one of
   
 the
 
 first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money.   Looks like
   
 the
 
 total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of
 the other ones.


   
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[WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-06 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS,  was one of the 
first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money.   Looks like the 
total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of 
the other ones.

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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph.

I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it.   Had a lot 
of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though.  :^)

I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the 
used market.   At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in 
about, 2020 or so.

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Patrick Leary wrote:
 Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can
 go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer
 with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche
 or Corvette!  ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave
 900 MHz hopper? 


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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 Funny

 But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh

 http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm

 Daniel White
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 http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 dan...@3-db.net


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche...  in the

 right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the
 Porsche

 is 35x more expensive.


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 --
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

   
 Tom

 ROTFL

 You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e

 That's like comparing a Yugo  with a Porsche

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


 On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:

 
 I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is 
 here for the long haul.
   
 From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto 
 products
 
 on their way.

 No problem with the $350 CPE level.

 But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO.

 The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is 
 not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, 
 very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher 
 capacity.
 Its all
 opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more 
 antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today 
 than their legacy components were when they were designed).

 I'd also argue that RF speed/price  is similar to Computer CPU speed/
   

   
 price concepts.  50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps 
 was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the 
 cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the 
 new technology.
 This is
 from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as 
 well as technology advancement.

 I'd pose the same arguements

 Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500.   Paying 35x more for an AP is a
 tough
 call.

 Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP,
   
 simply
   
 because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create
   
 noise,
   
 before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from 
 calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs.

 But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage 
 line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear


   
 Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen 
 Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release 
 and its way off the mark.  I hope it's right for Moto sake :-)

 Daniel White
 3-dB Networks
 http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 dan...@3-db.net

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM
 To: 

[WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their 
emails from our mail server with their Blackberries.   The calls started 
on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a 
week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely.

No changes were made on our system at all that would have caused this 
problem.   Just checking to see if anyone else has the same issues.

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[WISPA] OT: Nebraska

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
...just put a serious beat down on Arizona in the Holiday Bowl.   Proud 
to be a Husker today!

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[WISPA] Crazy Tech Support

2009-12-23 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Just when I thought I'd seen everything

We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been 
using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a 
real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with 
his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell 
phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet 
connection and MagicJack VOIP phone - while constantly downloading video 
streams. Unfortunately, I had worked with him on another project and has 
my cell phone number so he continually calls me at all times if his 
connection speed drops below what he thinks it should be at. Before, he 
was calling our after-hours tech support line continuously until I told 
him that he would be charged for the calls if he kept doing it. We did 
identify a backhaul problem at one point, but the rest of the issues 
have been localized interference at his location, as no other customers 
seem to be affected by it.

Anyway - he calls yesterday on his VOIP phone to tell me that he has 
Internet problems. I login to the AP and see that his quality is 
terrible (although everyone else on the AP is fine) so I try to tell him 
that I'll change the channel. I change the channel and things clean up, 
then I logged into his radio to make sure the settings were okay, then 
rebooted it. The radio did not come back. So I sent a message to my staff:

I believe a power cycle will get him back on , but I can’t call him 
because he uses that Magic Jack phone. Anyway, in the event that he 
reactivates a cold war missile silo signaling system and gets in touch 
with tech support, a power cycle should get him back online.

This afternoon, I get a call from a local number, and it is an old man 
who is saying something about Matt Larsen calling on the radio having 
problems with his Internet. After about five minutes of slow, patient 
questions, I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has 
been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong 
with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo 
reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the 
message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power 
cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio 
operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham 
radio.

This should be interesting.

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Re: [WISPA] Crazy Tech Support

2009-12-23 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Mission accomplished.   Customer is back on line.   

I have a hard time understanding how this would be a pecuniary 
interest situation, as neither operator was receiving money for the 
call and this is not a common occurrence.   It might be in a gray area, 
however I also had another gray area to deal with - the 110 miles of 
blizzard condition driving that would have been necessary to make 30 
seconds worth of changes to his CPE radio.Certainly can't be a whole 
lot at stake for five minutes of airtime.

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Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:36 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

   
 Just when I thought I'd seen everything

 We have a customer who lives in a converted missile silo that has been 
 using our services for a few months. He's an engineer and has been a 
 real pain in the butt at times when he thinks there is a problem with 
 his connection. He has no cable, no satellite and no landline or cell 
 phone service, so he pretty much lives on his $39.95/month Internet 
 connection and MagicJack VOIP phone 
 

 snip

   
  I finally determine that he is a Ham Radio operator and has 
 been getting calls from a guy in Kimball wanting to know what is wrong 
 with the Internet down there. So, in effect, mr. missile silo 
 reactivated a cold war signaling system (Ham Radio) and I got the 
 message back to him that he needs to power cycle. Unfortunately, a power 
 cycle didn't fix the problem, so now I am going across town to the radio 
 operator's house to see if I can provide reconfigure his CPE over ham 
 radio.

 This should be interesting.
 


 hi matt... i don't think you can legally do that over ham radio as that
 is pecuniary interest and the ham could get in trouble for it and you
 are a business.

 Leon WA4ZLW


 
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance....

2009-12-09 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I realize that the request went out to stop this thread.   However, 
health care represents more cost to my business than my Internet 
backbone, so it has quite a bit of bearing on my ability to do business 
and I consider this to be a good discussion to have.

---

Our current health care system is a terrible mess.   There is best in 
the world health care available in the US - if you are very well off or 
have outstanding company provided insurance.People that are very 
poor can get some basic help.   Everyone in the middle is screwed - 
stuck paying almost intolerable monthly premiums for shoddy insurance 
and oftentimes even shoddier care.   The system has been optimized to 
benefit drug companies, insurance companies and the administrative wings 
of our hospital systems.It is extreme capitalism - designed by 
lobbyists - and it needs to change before it strangles the life out of 
the middle class.

This is also not a partisan rant.   I don't have a lot of confidence 
that the current administration is going to be able to come up with 
something that will make enough of a difference.  I wish the Democrats 
spent more time trying to figure out how to root out the corruption in 
the current system instead of how to plug taxpayer money into the 
leaking dike.   The corruption has always been there, but the last 
Republican administration was happy to provide fertile ground for that 
corruption to grow and really take off.   I'm equally torqued off at 
both parties!  

I have several personal, painful examples of the failures in our health 
care system.

At our staff meeting earlier this week, I found out that our health 
insurance premium was increasing by $1100/month.   There is no increase 
in benefit for my employees or anything else that would justify this 
increase.   My monthly bill was $5600/month before, now it is going to 
be $6700/month.   This is for a business that has 7 full time employees 
and one part timer (who is the wife of another employee).   Health 
insurance is now costing me ~$1000 per employee, per month.  That is 
$84,000 per year!   We are scrambling to find a new provider, and should 
be able to transfer to another health insurance company in January 
sometime - but it is going to cost us a ton in lost time and 
productivity, along with another round of policy transfer costs.   I 
know, because we have had to do it four times now in the six years we 
have been in business.   The insurance we have is pretty minimal - high 
deductibles and no frills at all, no one is really old or particularly 
unhealthy and no one is really happy with it.   I'm giving some thought 
to bringing back the you are on your own system that my dad used to 
implement on the ranch.   Each employee gets $x/month to pay for 
insurance or put into savings for health care expenses - and it is their 
responsibility.  I have a feeling that plan is not going to get a lot of 
acceptance.   Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Here is another example.   I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and had to 
get a CPAP machine.   I used to play in a band with the guy who sells 
the CPAP machines and found out a lot about how the business side works. 
  I had to pay $350 for the machine.   He billed my insurance company 
$1500.   The insurance company only paid $900 because he has to provide 
them some kind of discount.  The insurance company had a new reason to 
raise my rates.  Everyone had their finger in the pie.   Amazingly 
enough, could have bought the same machine online for $500, but instead 
our health care system is set up to increase costs at all points along 
the transaction path.   Good for capitalism, bad for consumers.   
Unfortunately, this example is inconsequential when compared to the far 
larger examples of gross abuse of accounting and paperpushing that is 
driving our health care costs through the roof.

The most painful example has to do with sanitation.   Apparently, our 
hospitals have some problems with basic sanitation and view 
sterilization procedures as unnecessary and belittling bureaucratic 
intrusion.   I read an article about this in the Atlantic monthly - 
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care - and instantly felt a 
surge of anger and sadness about this story of failures in our health 
care system.   The author of the article lost his father due in part to 
complications from infections that he got while in the hospital.   I 
lost my father in 2004, and although the technical cause of death was 
a heart attack, the heart attack was actually caused by a blood clot 
that lodged in his heart.   The clot was precipitated by the blood 
thinners that he was on at the time that were part of the response to a 
staph infection that he got while he was in the hospital being treated 
for something else.   The Wall Street Journal - 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854497651476109.html - suggests that 
nearly 200,000 people a year die because of clotting after surgery or 

Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-12-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
It was resolved about 1:30am MST.   I watched the first pings start 
passing from my edge router and switched back over within about 10 
seconds.   Charter didn't call anyone until 5am, so that is the time we 
are using to figure our credits.

I get a $40 credit on next months bill.   Whoopideee d!!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Josh Luthman wrote:
 Outages mailing list had one member claim it was resolved at 2:30am.
 Is this not so?

 On 12/1/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   
 This is why we have 3 different providers, with different paths out of
 our NOC and on different fiber pairs leaving town.

 Qwest had an outage here about 9 months ago that took two of my
 competitors completely down for 5 hours... yet we were completely
 unaffected. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 
 Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left
 tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has
 disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right
 now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in
 sight.

 The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it
 looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having
 the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage
 on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg,
 Nebraska.
 That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes
 compared to this one.   Is this truly the level of performance that we
 can expect from our major Internet backbone providers?   It took me
 about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would
 think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to
 sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time.   The
 small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to
 route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after
 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off.
 It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage.

 Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages
 anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter).
 One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website,
 but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where
 posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else.   None of
 the network outage sites have any news about this.

 Could this be a harbinger of things to come?   I am feeling pretty
 thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I
 kept a second one.   Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great
 example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com






 
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