[WISPA] Moment of silence

2016-09-21 Thread Patrick Leary
Dear Nathan, et al,

I please request that in the opening ceremony for WISPAPALOOZA that we have a 
moment of silence in recognition of the tragic passing of Grant Spradling. He 
was such a terrific guy. He always had a smile and was a great friend of this 
community.

Sincerely,


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[WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

2014-12-31 Thread Patrick Leary
God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. 
I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie 
momma.

Happy New everyone.

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Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

2014-12-31 Thread Patrick Leary
And smart and beautiful too!

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

What a great Wife Seriously a keeper!

On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. 
I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie 
momma.

Happy New everyone.

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Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

2014-12-31 Thread Patrick Leary
Oh that is funny.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:18 PM
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 thinks about population control at the same time!!!

On 12/31/2014 02:12 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
And smart and beautiful too!

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy New Year. BE SAFE!

What a great Wife Seriously a keeper!


On 12/31/2014 01:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
God help the Leary family. My wife just walked in with an armful of fireworks. 
I've four kids 9-13. Currently they have all their fingers and toes. Oochie 
momma.

Happy New everyone.

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[WISPA] Merry Christmas WISPA community

2014-12-24 Thread Patrick Leary
WISPs are a special breed, daring to do what most won't and what many can't, 
and generally in an area that needs their service desperately. While the big 
guys service consumers, you service communities, filled with family, friends, 
and neighbors.

As I tell my family and any who ask, what I enjoy most about this business is 
the fun, interesting, and often extraordinary people I've met and continue to 
meet. There are many who've never used a spec of my gear, but I'd trust with my 
life.

Entering my 16th year on the vendor side of this wonderful industry, I'm more 
passionate and excited than ever about the opportunities in front of WISPs and 
their abilities to meet customer demands. I'll do all I can, both within my 
capacity for my employer, or simply as a person who's been around long enough 
to be able to broker useful connections, to help you succeed.

And finally, to those of you who lead and actively support WISPA (including the 
industry's best non-WISP ally, Steve Coran), you are doing amazing work. May 
WISPA continue to be as powerful a voice for the community as it moves beyond 
the Rick Harnish era.

Merry Christmas to most, Happy Chanukah to some, Happy Holidays to all.

Sincerely,

Patrick

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Re: [WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com

2014-12-18 Thread Patrick Leary
wow.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fake Survey Ad/Scam from Zedo.com

We are getting reports from our users that we took your online survey

Finally happened to catch it on my personal computer, it is a fake survey that 
offers $120 gift for taking a survey from LakeNet LLC, asks a series of 
questions about our service and then lets the user select their choice of some 
junk cosmetics or a free credit report.

I'm not even sure what the point of this is, but I tracked it back to Zedo.com 
which is an advertising agency. I've tried calling them, only able to get to a 
voicemail box which tells me to email their support address, which I've done

Is this type of thing even legal for them to do? It's totally misrepresenting 
their ad as being from my company.

I'm attaching a screenshot.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Not in FL. Too many geriactrics + WAY too much excitement in torrential rain. 
Bad enough they don't turn on their lights.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Because it's fun? :P

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Matt 
Hoppes [mhop...@indigowireless.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

Wait... why are you driving if you can't see past the hood of your car?

;-)

On 12/17/14, 2:34 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
 SWAG. In skywarn training we were always told that if you cant see 
 past the hood of your car, that's 1 per hour or more.

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 How are you guys measuring/finding the inch per hour rainfall?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Adair Winter
 ada...@amarillowireless.net mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net
 wrote:

 The rains that have knocked ours our were 1 per hour.
 (certainly no less then .5/hr)

 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Jim Patient
 jpati...@linktechs.net mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 It takes a pretty hard rain before our 3.2 mile link fails
 over to the backup Mikrotik link.  It usually takes .3/hr
 to drop it out.  Light rain doesn't affect it as much as I
 expected.  Overall, I'm well pleased with it for the price.
 

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 I agree with Gino.  $6K is a no brainer for me to jump to a
 licensed link.

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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced

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 in the rain? my 2.7 miles link drops in anything but a
 drizzle. 

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 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Matt Hoppes
 mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 Working great at 3 miles here in PA.

 On 12/17/14, 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  Working great at six miles here in Alaska.
 
  On December 17, 2014 9:58:58 AM AKST, Tim Reichhart
  timreichh...@hometowncable.net
 mailto:timreichh...@hometowncable.net wrote:
 
  Here is my issue the af24 wouldnt work for me since I
 live in the
  Midwest and we get rain etc... it would only work
 about an mile or
  so not 8 mile shots when can you guys get an working
 24Ghz airfiber
  to work in these types of weather climates?
 
  Tim
 
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com
 mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  Date: 12/17/14 01:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] AF24 HD Annouced
 
  and 50% more range...
 
  On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds
  j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 wrote:
 
  500Mbps technically :)
 
 
  On December 17, 2014 9:52:55 AM AKST, Gino
 Villarini

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
Easy Share 
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
Easy Share 
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
I agree re the rural. Open Range though is a bad example. They were a crap 
organization from the get go, building solely to turn a buck. It was always to 
BS story to those of us with half a brain.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
Easy Share 
Linkhttps://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhonetitle=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y


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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
No, not unless they were idiots. You never heard it from me. LTE won. Game 
over. Some of us expected it. , that awareness said nothing about the solution 
qualitatively. It was always a fine solution; it is just the business model was 
too blissfully utopian.

Are you really trying to debate the point? I not interested in re-hashing old 
history or giving a master's level lecture in why WiMAX failed, to be blunt 
(aren't I always). Guys like me were not bystanders to it, we were party to it 
(vetoed parties I might add), some of us from literally day 1. You won't see me 
debating you about how to set up your Powercode or the like. I'm self aware to 
know what I don't know.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story


5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like 
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

The next idea is always a better one.


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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

2014-12-17 Thread Patrick Leary
That's not what I said. Not remotely. I said LTE will dominate outdoor at range 
like Wi-Fi dominates the WLAN.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Dec 17, 2014 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now it's 
pretty much gone in 2014.  You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11 
nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE RD. There's more RD being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and ATT 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed. Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for RD and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735tel:727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Messagehttps://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104

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2014-12-15 Thread Patrick Leary
Just an fyi folks, commencing this coming week we will start to use the 
tel...@wispa.org list to forward detailed data, images, docs, etc. including 
LTE performance details (anecdotal and empirical) and even potentially some 
basic pricing details. The former Gmail-based Grail list will be 
de-activated. If such information interests you, please join the list.

I hope to see you there.

Cheers,

Patrick Leary
Telrad Networks Ltd.
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Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
While I understand the joke here, please be aware that LTE is designed to use 
the same channels even in adjacent cells using eICIC (enhanced inter-cell 
interference coordination) 
http://4g-lte-world.blogspot.com/2012/06/icic-and-eicic.html

This does two HUGE things:

1. No more cell planning for interference.
2. Massive capacities ARE possible in scale because you can re-use the same 
frequencies over and over.

Coupled with SON and cloud RAN, and imagine how simple life becomes. Aggregate 
two 20 MHz carriers to generate 400 mbps and use those same freqs over and 
over, selling 100 mbps service all day long, while the system continuously and 
dynamically manages it all on its own.

I know it may sound like magic, but read the material. I can tell you it is LTE 
features like this that is helping to drive our momentum among WISPs.

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:11 PM
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Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x channel 
sizes!

Daniel

Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
 
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Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much further. 
See my last post.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Why not allow both?

I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency.


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From: daniel mullen daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 6:36:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD   
 Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of 
simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel 
sizes without running into problems!


Daniel


Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
 How is that going to make a difference?



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 daniel.mul...@metrocom.ca wrote:

 Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x
 channel sizes!
 
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Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited over 
3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer for many 
reasons, this among them.

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing this all 
in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a couple channels per 
tower.

That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, you're not 
going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be impossible to do so due 
to external interferers.


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From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:22:36 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and
FDDCarrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G
It is beyond basic concepts like increased efficiency. LTE goes much further. 
See my last post.

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Why not allow both?

I think every vendor is releasing equipment with better spectral efficiency.


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It is a better idea we get higher throughput with better modulations instead of 
simply grabbing larger pieces of spectrum. We cannot make ever larger channel 
sizes without running into problems!


Daniel


Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
 How is that going to make a difference?



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 Using 200 MHz of bandwidth - just wait until Ubiquiti decides to do 10x
 channel sizes!
 
 Daniel
 
 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote ..
 
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Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
Paolo,

As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my 
understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: 
THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated 
expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is 
well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated 
call with him.

I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there 
in Italy.

- 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky)
- Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not 
to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method
- remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use
- Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more 
that 30% (3 channels)
- ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps
- HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the 
owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO 
build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be 
dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will 
relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive 
spectrum to the owner now actively using it
- this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following 
a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more 
granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it 
would open use more broadly)
- potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 
for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge)
- there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of 
users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from 
their active channels, moving them to open channels

I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us 
don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines 
talking to machines in real time.

A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of 
this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost 
globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE 
world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless 
CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, 
etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional 
fixed wireless UE options.

Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed 
wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, 
etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see 
my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 
2002, 3 years before it was released 
http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak 
continues.


Patrick Leary
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Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

will that spectrum be licensed?


 Those are good points Mike, and it explains one reason I'm so excited 
 over 3.550-3.650 MHz. I think the coming spectrum is a game changer 
 for many reasons, this among them.

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 and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

 I know of eICIC. It's still increasing efficiency as you're now doing 
 this all in one channel everywhere vs. one channel per radio or a 
 couple channels per tower.

 That said, in unlicensed spectrum that is busy like 5 GHz or 2.4, 
 you're not going to use the same channel everywhere as it would be 
 impossible to do so due to external interferers.



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Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
re those comments in 2002, here's an example. During the Spectrum Policy 
Task Force, there were some elements of industry trying to insist the FCC 
codify Wi-Fi as the only standard accepted for use in future unlicensed bands. 
I argued aggressively against this, with this being my opening salvo Found on 
page 102 of the transcript):

3 MR. LEARY: I'm sorry. Patrick Leary
4 with Alvarion. If I walk into a crowded Egyptian
5 bazaar without any shoes and I cut my feet, or I
6 get my toes stepped on, is it the fault -- whose
7 fault is it? It's my fault because I chose the
8 wrong technology.
9 The same person could back into that
10 same bazaar with a pair of steel-toed boots and be
11 just fine. If that same bazaar, if there's 3,000
12 people in there, and 2,000 of them don't wear
13 shoes, and 2,000 of them get hurt, yes, there's a
14 problem, but that still is not the problem of the
15 band. It's the problem of the predominant choice,
16 being chosen by most of those people, so I would
17 caution, just as Professor Lessig was saying, you
18 know. The myth of congestion is in large, a
19 comment about the technology itself that's been
20 deployed, not about the band itself so, you know,
21 if you start protecting for this one prevailing
22 standard, of which I also participate in to some
23 degree then, you know, you stifle innovation and
24 you're protecting the wrong things.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:27 AM
To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Paolo,

As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my 
understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: 
THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated 
expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is 
well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated 
call with him.

I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there 
in Italy.

- 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky)
- Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not 
to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method
- remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use
- Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more 
that 30% (3 channels)
- ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps
- HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the 
owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO 
build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be 
dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will 
relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive 
spectrum to the owner now actively using it
- this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following 
a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more 
granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it 
would open use more broadly)
- potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 
for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge)
- there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of 
users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from 
their active channels, moving them to open channels

I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us 
don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines 
talking to machines in real time.

A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of 
this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost 
globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE 
world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless 
CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, 
etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional 
fixed wireless UE options.

Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed 
wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, 
etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see 
my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 
2002, 3 years before it was released 
http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak 
continues.


Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735

Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, this could be what happens. I prefer your version re the non-specific 
exclusivity; I think that'd be an excellent devolopment.

I'll be happy when we all know definitively.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDD and FDD 
Carrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Also only my opinion, but I believe:

The licenses are 10 MHz wide, but unlicensed operations can do whatever they 
want regarding channel size (well, and device certification).
An operator can only have three licenses in a given area (block, tract, I 
forget what).
50 MHz will remain for unlicensed operations.
All channels are dynamically allocated by the SAS database (even licensed).
Your license isn't for a specific 10 Mhz (3550 - 3560), but just 10 MHz 
anywhere in the space.


I think that's about all that i would add or redirect from your post.


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From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
To: paolo difrancesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it, WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:27:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nokia achieves 4.2 Gbps LTE speeds using TDDand
FDDCarrier Aggregation #GettingCloserTo10G

Paolo,

As Mike notes, WISPA has had a number of webinars on the topic. Here is my 
understanding of what's to be expected, in part, of the emerging rules. NOTE: 
THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT ACTUALLY EMERGES AS THE RULES, it comprises MY educated 
expectation. None have a better understanding though than Steve Coran and it is 
well worth a consultation fee for any U.S.-based operator to have a dedicated 
call with him.

I will offer some international perspective here as well for your benefit there 
in Italy.

- 100 MHz of spectrum, divided in 10 MHz channels per census blocks (tricky)
- Of this, 30-50% MAY be auctioned off, though auction process is likely not 
to follow traditional cumbersome process, but some low burden streamlined method
- remaining 70% (7 10 MHz channels) will be open for free, opportunistic use
- Of this, it seems FCC may limit any individual operator from acquiring more 
that 30% (3 channels)
- ownership likely to be purchased in yearly blocks, up to 3 years max perhaps
- HOWEVER...even if one owns some of this spectrum, others can use it IF the 
owners have not built in the spectrum. And then, once and if the owners DO 
build, the borg (as I call it) like Google or Spectrum Bridge who'll be 
dynamically managing base station channels (all connected to the cloud) will 
relocate the opportunistic user to open spectrum, returning back the exclusive 
spectrum to the owner now actively using it
- this borg will have the government contract to manage the spectrum following 
a methodology akin to how TVWS works currently, though management may be more 
granular (if Google has its way, and I think more granularity is better, as it 
would open use more broadly)
- potential power seems undetermined at this point, but may exceed current 3.65 
for hyper rural areas, similar to the Canadian model (could be huge)
- there will likely be a prioritization scheme whereby certain defined sets of 
users will granted use priority, meaning the borg moves other users away from 
their active channels, moving them to open channels

I understand some of this sounds impossible, but that's because many of us 
don't yet understand what's meant by dynamic as it relates to machines 
talking to machines in real time.

A reason I submit this all matters internationally is that U.S. adoption of 
this band for commercial use will help drive scale, further reducing cost 
globally and encouraging lots of device makers to build devices (what the LTE 
world calls UEs for the band -- a cell phone is a UE, as is a fixed wireless 
CPE). I fully expect things like IP cameras, traffic systems, parking meters, 
etc. to have embedded 3.5x LTE chipsets, not to mention gobs of traditional 
fixed wireless UE options.

Over the years, I've been pretty spot on with my market predictions re fixed 
wireless -- which companies survive, which spectrum comes along, use uptake, 
etc. -- and in some cases I've played a literal direct role in enabling it (see 
my comments in this FCC transcript re advised rules for 3.65 band way back in 
2002, 3 years before it was released 
http://transition.fcc.gov/sptf/files/0801fcc.pdf). I am hoping my streak

Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol....

2014-12-03 Thread Patrick Leary
That I won't touch!

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol

Which brings up the question who amid this motley crew is Major Tom?
Or is that the devices?

On 12/03/2014 01:44 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 to Major Tom
 
  
 
 Sorry, the song's been in my head since this thread popped up.
 
  
 
 *Patrick Leary*
 
 ***M*727.501.3735
 
 http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
 
  
 
  
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:07 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
 
  
 
 Didn't they change the provisioning mechanism in aircontrol 2? I 
 thought they had moved from SSH to something that was supposed to be more 
 efficient.
  
 
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 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
 [j...@spitwspots.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 03, 2014 2:56 PM
 *To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] groundcontrol project
 
 I've done a bit of work previously to reverse engineering the 
 provisioning mechanism, and I see nothing that would be a problem 
 collecting stats via that method. You'd still have to use 
 groundcontrol to initially connect/provision the units first to 
 exchange SSH keys, and you'd want it to be on a different ip that your 
 previous aircontrol server.
 
 A nasty thing about ubnt provisioning... if you replace the server on 
 the same ip or a different ip, all of the radios that were previously 
 provisioned will always try to connect to the old ip/server, which 
 causes quite a bit of arp traffic.
 
  one thing I'd like to do is create a cleanup tool for that, 
 though pssh (parallel ssh) + wireshark helped me clean up that mess 
 manually in the past.
 
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
 
 On 12/03/2014 11:09 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
 
 Would it pay to see if UBNT would allow us to continue to use some
 of the provisioning mechanisms built into the radios for
 aircontrol?  It's nice to have subscriber units phone home.
 
 On 12/3/2014 12:39 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
 
 I was wondering if that might come about. Maybe another wisp 
 that uses
 
 their own software might offer something.
 
  
 
 Mike Hammett wrote:
 
 Further driven by today's post that summed up says, We 
 don't care
 
 what you want. This is what you get.
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 -
 
 Mike Hammett
 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
 
 
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 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com 
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org, Ubiquiti Users
 
 Group ubnt_us...@wispa.org 
 mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org, a...@afmug.com mailto:a...@afmug.com
 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 3, 2014 1:19:23 PM
 
 *Subject: *[WISPA] groundcontrol project
 
  
 
 For those of you who haven't heard, several of us started 
 a new
 
 project yesterday.
 
  
 
 https://github.com/esseph/groundcontrol
 
  
 
 Licensing is tentatively set as falling under GPLv2.
 
  
 
 We have already been offered code snippets, a dev box, a 
 db server,
 
 and several people have decided to volunteer time to make this 
 happen.
 
  
 
 The initial idea is that the system itself will be free, 
 with a
 
 possibly paid support/features option, or maybe a model 
 similar to
 
 observium where the is a community (free as in beer) 
 version that
 
 comes out every 6mo or so, and a paid version with newer 
 features
 
 and direct support. We're not sure yet, but we want to 
 make this
 
 project accessible and fairly vendor-neutral.
 
  
 
 If any of you could volunteer time, support, code, 
 documentation,
 
 ideas, etc.it would be greatly appreciated. This is a 
 project by and
 
 for the WISP community. Thank you!
 
 --
 
 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 
 spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
 
  
 
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[WISPA] If anyone knows him, please...

2014-11-19 Thread Patrick Leary
broker an offlist introduction.

Stefan Englhardt

Thanks you.

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

2014-11-14 Thread Patrick Leary
Manteca? Hey, that's where my wife's grandma lives.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Lyon
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Totally should!



On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann 
kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote:
We should have a mini-meet at the black bear, since we all seem to be close 
enough to smell the same stink. ;-)

-Kristian


On 11/14/2014 11:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:
Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that 
intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks.

Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns 
t...@cv-access.commailto:t...@cv-access.com wrote:
Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

The smell is most likely residual...

From: Mike Lyonmailto:mike.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service


Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom.

Think they accidentally swapped the names...
On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, Kristian Hoffmann 
kh...@fire2wire.commailto:kh...@fire2wire.com wrote:
A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county line, 
and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing some, 
buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.commailto:jtho...@quarnet.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service

Looking for 10 meg

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

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[WISPA] 3.65 GHz power rules; do you really understand them?

2014-11-10 Thread Patrick Leary
 the limit for a single 
beam. In addition, to allow flexibility in deployment of advanced antenna 
systems, including sectorized and adaptive array systems, we will allow systems 
using these antennas to operate with an aggregate transmit output power 
transmitted simultaneously on all beams of up to 8 dB above the limit for an 
individual beam.115

Happy radiating,

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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Patrick Leary
...links have 2 sides

- Patrick





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.

On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@telrad.commailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote:
Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the 
meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need 
to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause 
cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing 
exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection 
matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about 
water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really 
can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the 
law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, 
here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating.

First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, 
but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  five five. Come again?!?

Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:

image002.png

image005.png

Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are 
almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not 
to.

These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
control.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
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[WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the 
meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need 
to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause 
cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing 
exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection 
matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about 
water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really 
can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the 
law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, 
here's a quick tutorial on the IP rating.

First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP fifty-five, 
but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  five five. Come again?!?

Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:

[cid:image002.png@01CFFACB.5227F850]

[cid:image005.png@01CFFACB.5227F850]

Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are 
almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not 
to.

These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
control.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
[cid:image004.png@01CFFAD0.90DEDD20]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
See us on [cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70] http://bit.ly/18nna4j










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Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim Wireless

2014-10-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Looks like an excellent product for the small business enterprise. Love that 
GUI showing which users' phone are hitting it hard.

I've a ton of friends and ex-colleagues over at Ruckus, so I know they've good 
people.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim 
Wireless

Thanks for the heads up Gino!

Now I know what AP is going into my new office.  I love Ruckus... but the price 
was always the killer thing.

[cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370]

Daniel White | Managing Director
SAF North America LLC

Cell:


(303) 746-3590

Skype:

danieldwhite

E-mail:

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.commailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com


SAF Tehnika  Integra Introduction Video - http://youtu.be/xqrXOq4Uzgg
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http://www.linkedin.com/company/saf-tehnika-jsc   
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http://www.youtube.com/user/SAFTehnika

SAF Tehnika JSC  
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ruckus launches Small Biz WiFI solution spin off Xclaim 
Wireless

New player vs UBNT

Outdoor 11AC AP for $299

http://www.xclaimwireless.com/





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Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving the eastern area of North Carolina?

2014-10-26 Thread Patrick Leary
Did you try Intelliport in Hereford, NC just across the sound from Elizabeth 
City.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2014, at 15:44, Bruce Bridgewater 
bru...@cobasystems.netmailto:bru...@cobasystems.net wrote:

Specifically Elizabeth City? Need a point to point link installed. No Service 
just a link.

Bruce Bridgewater
Coba Systems
5111 N 10th Street #334
McAllen, TX 78504
956-212-4261
800-928-6306 ext 21
888-225-0494 Fax
888-950-5474 for 24 Hour Customer Support






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Re: [WISPA] Bid on the pink bibs

2014-10-20 Thread Patrick Leary
Having lost my youngest sister to breast cancer and having another sister who 
beat it, I appreciated this effort by WISPA and its members.

Thank you.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jim Patient
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:11 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bid on the pink bibs

Congrats to Dave Giles for winning the bibs.  He makes them look great!

There were a number of Vendors as well as WISPs that agreed to match this 
winning bid of $251.  I have sent emails to the ones that I had on the list 
giving them the link to donate directly to the NBCF.  If you were one of the 
folks that agreed to match the bid and didn't just get an email from me, please 
contact me off-list so I don't miss anyone.

All donations are tax deductable and go directly to the NBCF.  They have told 
me that these proceeds will go to help fund the free mammography program.

It's not too late to help.  If you would like to match Dave on the $251 that's 
great but any donation will help.  Below is the link to the donation page where 
you can see the total and make a donation if you would like to.

https://fundraise.nbcf.org/fundraise?fcid=352570

It was great seeing all the pink on Thursday.

Thx,

Jim Patient
Office: 314-735-0270
linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/
towercoverage.comhttp://www.towercoverage.com/
ispradio.comhttp://www.ispradio.com/





From: members-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:members-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tekwav Lists
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:26 PM
To: memb...@wispa.orgmailto:memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Bid on the pink bibs

Here's the full link...just in case you want quick access.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221572562548?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D221572562548%26_rdc%3D1

JJ

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highspeedl...@gmail.commailto:highspeedl...@gmail.com wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

2014-09-25 Thread Patrick Leary
As an old fiber tech, I always preferred to splice, etc. inside an 
environmentally controlled van, then coil up and hang overhead or mount down in 
the hole. In PR, with the heat, bugs, rain, go the van route with a small boom 
if you can. That's my recommendation.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

We are building our fiber crew, most will be aerial.  Van or Truck?



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Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

2014-09-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Bingo! We had one similar with an access panel on the passenger side to bring 
the cable through.

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Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

Van with a Bucket.
[http://www.aboutaeriallifts.com/pics/versalift_van_tel.jpg]

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

As an old fiber tech, I always preferred to splice, etc. inside an 
environmentally controlled van, then coil up and hang overhead or mount down in 
the hole. In PR, with the heat, bugs, rain, go the van route with a small boom 
if you can. That's my recommendation.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image005.png@01CFD8E1.E9A416C0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:32 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Bucket Truck or Van for Fiber?

We are building our fiber crew, most will be aerial.  Van or Truck?



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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
spectrum...and everything in its path.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 





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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
 
 
 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
 omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
 computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
 
 
 
 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
 Etc.




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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-07 Thread Patrick Leary
With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

Hey!  A Patrick sighting!  


Regards,

Jeff Broadwick
Bitlomat Sales Director
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574-220-7826 Cell
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Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
spectrum...and everything in its path.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
 omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
 computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
 --
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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 1:03:11 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
 
 
 
 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
 Etc.




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
 omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
 computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing

 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some 
 of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of 
 an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

2014-08-07 Thread Patrick Leary
Guinness. Far more effective.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

Bring jerky.

On 08/07/2014 11:35 AM, Robert wrote:
 Patrick,  I've never met you, but now you know what I'll be expecting
 when I do happen to meet you!   LOL

 On 08/07/2014 09:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 With a size 15 shoe, it's a bit like a sasquatch sighting, only more rare...

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 On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:07 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Hey!  A Patrick sighting!


 Regards,

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 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 11:49 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Everything old is new again. Back in the day the STANDARD was the Western 
 Multiplex Tsunami, which chewed up 100 MHz of 5 GHz ISM (upper 5 GHz) 
 spectrum...and everything in its path.

 Patrick Leary
   M 727.501.3735





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 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 4:55 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 Yes... but not normally on 80MHz wide channels...

 On 8/6/14, 4:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It is by far and away the most prevalent method...  ;-)



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 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



 On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Higher one way throughput.
 More channels to choose from.
 DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
 External antennas.
 Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
 that vary like X-pol and F/B.
 Lower power consumption.
 Standard PoE.
 Etc.




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 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 THanks Josh!
 I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?

 H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
 Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
 And latency is higher than an airFiber

 What's the amazing thing about this new device?

 On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326N
 iP
 OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
 submit comments for approval / additions please

 I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and 
 some of it I'm lazy on.

 TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal / 
 channel width table

 Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results 
 of an
 RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

2014-08-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to 
see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial 
multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how 
to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is.

For definition purposes:

MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the 
same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and 
there's not downside compared with the capacity gain.

You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

Josh,

TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with 
between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences.

You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic 
products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, 
so there's not really an easy mode.

I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and 
Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the 
antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user 
efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind.

Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer 
make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive 
MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of 
the game to create unique beamforms.

Jaime



On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:


Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for 
AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method 
it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have 
this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to 
have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important 
as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the 
case of PtMP).

What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul 
setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP?

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
+1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;)  Alas good 
ideas do take time.

The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change 
channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited 
driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change.

This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well 
without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now.

Jaime

On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:


Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about 
in July :)
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps 
more than everything else.  Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out 
or pick it up from the intended secrecy.

At least it worked for one person =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
You're... out of the loop.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 The PtMP.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312

 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 What are you whating?



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 *From: *Matt Hoppes 
 mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 3:08:12 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

2014-08-05 Thread Patrick Leary
...MU-MIMO = multiuser MIMO, not multiuse MIMO...excuse the typo





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

Congratulation Jaime. The B5 products look to be excellent, and it is good to 
see WISPA discussions about advanced techniques like 4x MIMO spatial 
multiplexing and MU-MIMO. Too often the focus is more spectrum, not about how 
to leverage technology to use much more efficiently what spectrum there is.

For definition purposes:

MU-MIMO (multiuse MIMO) sends multiple streams to different customers in the 
same band simultaneously. It doubles capacity using the same channel size and 
there's not downside compared with the capacity gain.

You want it, especially where your spectrum is busy.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01CFB0D9.868D6940]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

Josh,

TDMA modes (whether collocated or not) are configurable in window size with 
between 2, 4 or 8 ms latencies depending on your traffic profile preferences.

You can't really use a second chip for monitoring in backhaul/parabolic 
products if it's not connected up to the primary antenna or so the FCC advised, 
so there's not really an easy mode.

I can't comment in specifics on PTMP products, but technology wise MU-MIMO and 
Massive MIMO can benefit from radically different antenna designs to pack the 
antennas tightly and coordinate streams/beamforming to get the best multi-user 
efficiencies - or shielding with collocation in mind.

Switched antenna beam steering and dual-polarization designs in APs no longer 
make a lot of sense when you go beyond a 2 stream world and move into a Massive 
MIMO and MU-MIMO world where spatial/directional multiplexing are the name of 
the game to create unique beamforms.

Jaime



On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

Constant spectral analysis was something I asked UBNT about awhile back for 
AirOS and UniFi... Cisco does something similar. I guess in the easy method 
it would doubles the chip cost in some cases, but it's very valuable to have 
this info for WISPs and people deploying high-density solutions. The ability to 
have the same data on the *remote* side of the connection is just as important 
as well, especially when it comes to helping identify customer issues (in the 
case of PtMP).

What kind of latency hit are we talking about in a 4 way 90deg PtP backhaul 
setup? Also, will you be developing your own shielded antennas for PtMP?

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:43 PM, Jaime Fink wrote:
+1. I swear it only took us a month to implement your great idea ;)  Alas good 
ideas do take time.

The trick Josh that we found was that it's incredibly difficult to change 
channels fast enough and settle on the usual Wi-Fi chips which have limited 
driver access, often taking over 10 milliseconds of time to make the change.

This problem also had to be solved to handle constant spectrum analysis as well 
without service impact, down to 150 microseconds switching time to settle now.

Jaime

On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:

Funny thing is, Mimosa was already hard at work on an idea I brainstormed about 
in July :)
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/Brainstorming-Maximizing-frequency-capacity-radio-system/m-p/899722#M32941

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
For some reason they tried to keep this whole company and product under wraps 
more than everything else.  Dunno why, it's not like one couldn't figure it out 
or pick it up from the intended secrecy.

At least it worked for one person =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
You're... out of the loop.

Josh Reynolds, CIO
SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com/
On 08/05/2014 12:09 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 The PtMP.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312

 On 8/5/14, 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 What are you whating?



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Re: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 Mhz

2014-06-02 Thread Patrick Leary
I'd be shocked if the military could claim unilateral authority for restricting 
170 MHz of long-established ISM spectrum (nor 120 MHz of UNII). I hope we read 
an authoritative opinion via from Steve Coran.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:52 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] USAF Request - Read this is you want to keep using 5630-5800 
Mhz

I am following up in hopes that some of you smart fellas can offer suggestions.

Recap:
USAF Calls / emails asking to please identify all 5Ghz emitters operating on or 
near 5765Mhz and either turn them off or change RF settings to not fall under 
that category so that RFI to their tracking radar can be reduced.

How the radar works:  Apparently the radar has multiple modes for tracking / 
interrogating space-bound craft.  In its primary mode, it sends a pulse out on 
5672Mhz and then listens for the echo (normal radar operation).  It then has 
another mode, where it sends an interrogation request to the vehicle (satellite 
/ rocket etc) on 5690Mhz and then listens for a reply from the vehicle on 
5765Mhz at least for some commercial space launches.  DoD military launches 
etc. also are tracked / interrogated this same way but the listen freq. is 
something other than 5765Mhz (probably classified).  So - the prob the USAF has 
with RFI is related to hearing the vehicle interrogation response on 5765Mhz - 
and only while sitting on the pad and the first few seconds of flight.  A few 
seconds after launch, the gigantic parabolic dish (~65db gain on 5Ghz) with its 
1deg beam-width has effectively muted out most of the RFI to the sides as it 
starts to track up.

We (and others / cable company etc) worked with them to not only re-program our 
equipment we felt could be causing RFI to their radar, but to track down others 
we could see operating equipment centered on their 5765Mhz freq.  We were able 
to continue this process until the radar was able to track / interrogate 
successfully, from what information I was relayed.  We attempted to work with 
them to be good neighbors and hopefully avoid a situation where we were told 
all emitters regardless of their effect on the radar (even ones that were not 
causing them issues) would need to be removed from service in some fashion.

Here we are today.  The USAF has now decided to create a 60Km zone around each 
of their tracking radars and request that we not only keep equipment off the 
5765Mhz they listen on but everything in the range from 5630 - 5800 Mhz just 
for good measure.  I feel such a blanket request is not reasonable.

Cut and past from their DoD Eastern Area Frequency Coordination Office:
===



Mr WISP,



I received the 5 GHz exclusion the range is requesting around their radars

(Graphic available here: http://flhsi.com/files/radar.PNG ).

The spheres are centered on each radar and have a radius of 60 km.  No

emitters in these spheres should be allowed to transmit from 5630 - 5800

MHz.



I am drafting up a request for public notice to FCC today.  When approved, I

will let you know.
===

So my question is this  Is it realistic or even remotely possible this 
becomes an FCC official rule?

I would ask anyone / everyone with a vested interest in this (do you use 5Ghz?) 
 to respond.  Thank you for your time.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

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From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 12:02 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Air Force Base / KSC Launch RFI Question

Good morning,

We operate between two local Air Force bases and near KSC as well.  We were 
notified recently that the AFB has resorted to using an older radar system that 
was previously retired due to the newer range radar system catching fire or 
something to that effect.  During the two months or so the repairs are expected 
to take we have had several space launches scheduled during this window from 
CCAFS / KSC.  The USAF has fired up the old radar and has recently contacted us 
asking about equipment we have in the area at customer premises.  I asked the 
frequency coordinator what freq their radar uses he said the center freq was 
5735 and that it had a very wide bandwidth of like 100 Mhz basically taking the 
whole ISM/UNII bands worth of spectrum in 5Ghz.

So any way to the point...  When the USAF shows up and says hey, I see you are 
using FCC approved equipment in accordance to the FCC spectrum rules the 
equipment was designed to operate in on freq 5765Mhz - but I need you to turn 
it off to see if its your equipment we are seeing - and if it is please change 
freq preferably below 5600 MHz or above 5850 MHz (actual quoted request).

Obviously we can't

Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni

2014-04-08 Thread Patrick Leary
We have a few operators doing this with our COMPACT using a dual polarity omni. 
Granted, the locations are extremely rural with ample tree density, so conflict 
of what nearby cells there may be is not a problem. For us, it is not a 
recommended design, but the operator finds it is working well for their needs. 
Their range is better than I would have expected as well. I am not sure what 
brand or model antenna is being used.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of wi...@mncomm.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3650 Omni

Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to know if it was 
effective? We have a few sites that we use 3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree 
panel that cranks out some decent power. Of course we are always looking for 
areas that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran into a 
competitor on the extreme north side of one of our competitors that has a 
customer using a M365 power bridge. From their registration on FCC the closest 
sites they have registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on 
3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent tried anything this 
distance PtMP. I assume they have a closer site that’s not fully registered on 
the FCC site as of yet.

Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just more or less looking for 
areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to break down some overloaded M2  M5 AP. And 
if so, are you using UBNT antennas or KP or other

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni

2014-04-08 Thread Patrick Leary
Good point re the downtilt. I should have noted the omnis I mentioned being 
used on the COMPACTs have an electrical downtilt.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 Omni

Doesn't answer your question but, we've use splitters and sector antennas to 
get around the use of omni's. There are a couple of advantages to sector 
design. Downtilt being the most important. However, it does cost more tower 
rent and cable management can be a pain. We've used it with great success.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:55 AM, wi...@mncomm.commailto:wi...@mncomm.com 
wrote:
Just curious if others have deployed a 3650 Omni and to know if it was 
effective? We have a few sites that we use 3650 PTP and one with a 120 degree 
panel that cranks out some decent power. Of course we are always looking for 
areas that we can break up APs and get some RF separation. I ran into a 
competitor on the extreme north side of one of our competitors that has a 
customer using a M365 power bridge. From their registration on FCC the closest 
sites they have registered are over 20 miles away. Can this be done PtMP on 
3650? I have a BH link doing 24 miles on Rockets but havent tried anything this 
distance PtMP. I assume they have a closer site that's not fully registered on 
the FCC site as of yet.

Anyways, just curious if omni was real effective. Just more or less looking for 
areas to throw on 15 to 20 subs to break down some overloaded M2  M5 AP. And 
if so, are you using UBNT antennas or KP or other

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

2014-03-27 Thread Patrick Leary
Somethings are not a matter of belief, they are either demonstratably true or 
not.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2014, at 14:39, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

haha, yeah, I know someone bought PureWave, but I think they're just doing a 
DBA PureWave.



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From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.commailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...


Purewave also falls under whatever their name is now ...

On Mar 27, 2014 5:13 PM, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
PureWave, RunCom, Alvarion (well, whatever their name is now), the 
Aperto\Tranzeo guys, AirSpan was the first for the full 50 MHz, etc.



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:51:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Help Me Understand This WiMax Show We Had...

Yeah, I had heard canopy/cambium was doing other stuff. What are the other 
companies using though?

Josh Reynolds
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com
On 03/27/2014 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Wimax on the pmp320 and others is 3.65

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 27, 2014 2:36 PM, Josh Reynolds 
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Different frequencies (2.5 in the US, 2.3 in Asia, 3.3 and 3.5GHz in other 
areas)
5bps/Hz vs 2.7bps/Hz on 802.11-stuff
smart antenna systems
on the fly bandwidth and channel changes
channel bandwidths of things like 1.25MHz - 20MHz
hybrid automatic repeat-request (HARQ - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_automatic_repeat-request)
etc.

It's a different animal. It's very expensive though, and I've heard some pretty 
outrageous claims from it that I just don't believe.


Josh Reynolds
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | 
www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 03/27/2014 11:25 AM, Sam wrote:

Today we had a company come to us pushing wimax. Admittedly I've never
used wimax, nor do I know a lot about it. From what I can see looking at
Google images of the technology and how it's deployed, it looks no
different than the PtP and PtMP that we all use with 900 MHz, or 2.4 and
5.x GHz.

Is the only advantage to wimax the presumably clearer and less-used
frequencies upon which they operate? I had (evidently mistakenly)
thought that perhaps wimax was a code word for some sort of mesh, and
that's how it achieved NLOS service. However in looking at the network
layouts on Google, it doesn't look like that at all. Rather, it looks
like that add another AP to get around the obstruction(s), and simply
backhaul it to an intermediary AP/tower to get it back to the PoP.

Thanks
Sam

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[WISPA] Re-Use 1 - A techincal discussion

2014-03-19 Thread Patrick Leary
Hi folks,

I'm having an interesting dialogue about the subject topic offline. One of our 
engineers embedded in one of the largest BWA networks in North America (450+ 
base stations/over 70k CPE) has chimed in. His comments bear spreading to the 
community. The responding engineer cut his teeth years ago working for a major 
mobile carrier. The trigger for the discussion was an assumption that re-use of 
1 is a viable choice for fixed networks today.

Reuse 1 is being used widely in mobile as users (omni antenna) are typically 
not guaranteed any throughput per their fixed location meaning center of sector 
great throughput but cell edge very poor.  In broadband wireless and all the 
testing of Reuse 1 I have witnessed there is significant degradation to users 
on the cell edge.  This means the only business model that can work with reuse 
1 in its current state would be the mobile strategy which is no committed rate 
and users don't sit around executing speed tests to audit their providers 
service.  The LTE concept of equal time means that the only time a cell edge 
user could get any throughput is when there are no active users in the cell 
center .

One of the main issues with Reuse 1 today is that is implements static ICIC 
which is actually no better than WiMAX reuse 1 aka FFR0.  FFR 0 statically 
divided the map zone(control plane) into 1/3 and allocated a different 1/3 of 
the bandwidth to each sector.  This is essentially the same thing that is done 
with static ICIC in LTE and we know it does not work well in either technology 
i.e. WiMAX or LTE

There are advances planned that will improve this situation, but all of which 
are still in the works.

Adaptive ICIC- unlike static you are not limiting your cell edge to only 1/3 
the bandwidth constantly.  In this scenario the eNB is allocating a reuse 
pattern on a dynamic basic using any of the following reuse 1, reuse 3, reuse 
6.  This of course is still only frequency based scheduling as freq and power 
are coordinated

eICIC -  eICIC not only schedules freq and power in coordination it adjacent 
cells, it also coordinates time by implementing the ABS (almost blank 
subframe).  With eICIC or any other interference coordination schema there is 
still the trade off of resources as sectors and adjacent eNB coordinate the 
sharing of the same freq and time resources.

CoMP - Coordinated Multipoint which is a much more advanced feature set that 
allows for the joint scheduling of a single UE from multiple eNB.  The benefit 
here is the receiver gain on the downlink along with the leveraging of a 
interferer signal to be utilized as a usable signal in combination with the 
primary serving eNB.  On the uplink it's the same concept as multiple eNB 
receive the UE transmission and combine it forming a virtual array.

+++

If you have questions or comments, I can forward them to the engineer for 
further elaboration.

Cheers,

Patrick Leary
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

2014-02-12 Thread Patrick Leary
Back in the Alvarion days we had a customer in south FL with well over 1000 CPE 
using UNII-2 bands with DFS via the BreezeMAX Extreme product. They ran only 
QAM16 or higher connections and we able to achieve that with high reliability 
in the dense suburban areas up to about 3 miles. The low noise floor and 2x2 
MIMO was a key factor in getting their excellent link budgets. So the idea that 
mid-5GHz is not good for BWA is a myth.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:05, Matt Hoppes 
mhop...@indigowireless.commailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

What are you guys talking about?  A 30dB dish with a 0dB radio on it will 
easily go 4-5 miles.   Or put a 34dB dish on with a -4dB radio if you want more 
gain.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 12, 2014, at 17:56, Fred Goldstein 
fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

On 2/12/2014 5:23 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Yea, but the power levels of some are not likely usable in an outdoor WISP 
environment.
A good explanation is at Wikipedia strange enough...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-NII

People running equipment in frequencies at a power level higher than intended 
is the issue.  Also, the 5470-5725 band requires DFS.


Actually, so does 5.25-5.35, as of 2004 or so.  It didn't originally, but when 
they added the 5.47-5.725 band, which needs DFS, they added the requirement to 
the original U-NII-2A band.  So

15.407(h)(2) Radar Detection Function of Dynamic Frequency Selection (DFS).
   U-NII devices operating in the 5.25-5.35 GHz and 
5http://www.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/section.pdf.47-5http://sujan.hallikainen.org/FCC/FccRules/2013/5/47-5/index.php.725
 GHz bands
   shall employ a DFS radar detection mechanism to detect the presence of
   radar systems and to avoid co-channel operation with radar systems.

The power level down there is adequate for some applications, like half-mile 
links.  Lots of old Motorola PTP-400s are legally pumping +5 to +9 dBm into 
panels... one urban path is working over 2 miles, though we're replacing it.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Art Stephens 
asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
5265-5320
5500-5580
5660-5700
5735-5840

Are these not USA channels?
If am wrong let  me know and I will change them.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
par...@cyberbroadband.netmailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

Forrest...what is your offlist email ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
li...@packetflux.commailto:li...@packetflux.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?
Date: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 11:53 AM



I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like 
you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the 
ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed 
the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should 
be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My experience 
over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if 
you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over.  Even if the 
radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed 
causing an overall rising of the noise floor.

Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all either 
dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are 
now.  And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard 
to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which makes us a 
bit grumpy.

I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better 
understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations 
which will in turn improve your quality of service.   Heck, I'd drive over 
there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap 
the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.

On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens 
asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these 
frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of 
our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 
50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

2014-02-11 Thread Patrick Leary
Freezing my a** off in St. Paul tonight, but loving it since I'm with about 20 
operators at a customer user event.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 11, 2014, at 18:37, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

Patrick, how the heck are ya?

marlon


From: Patrick Learymailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:01 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

I’m with Forrest here.

Back in the “back ol’ days” of everyone running amps (we had to back then in 
many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power.  More power means faster 
service at longer ranges right?

WRONG.  Carrier to interference level is where your speed and distance comes 
from.

The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce much more 
*detectable* power outside their main band.  That power outside the main band 
causes the interference.

It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I convinced many 
WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the performance of their 
networks.  It was nearly 100% true.  In the rare cases when lower power levels 
didn’t work it was because people were trying to use higher powers to over-ride 
physics and go through trees, buildings etc.

One very important note here.  If you do try lower power levels you’ll have to 
lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable levels (RSSI should be between 
–65 and –75 for most modern radios to perform their best, –55 will work but see 
the above notes about self inflicted interference).

A quick check is to shut down all of your AP’s in an area and see what the 
noise goes to.

Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference information.  If 
you are checking those levels via anything other than a real spectrum analyzer 
you’ll likely find out that there are also other things happening in your area.

Call if you’d like and we can talk this out a bit more.

509.988.0260

laters,
marlon


From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like 
you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the 
ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed 
the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should 
be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My experience 
over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if 
you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over.  Even if the 
radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed 
causing an overall rising of the noise floor.

Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all either 
dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are 
now.  And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard 
to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which makes us a 
bit grumpy.

I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better 
understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations 
which will in turn improve your quality of service.   Heck, I'd drive over 
there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap 
the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.

On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens 
asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these 
frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of 
our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 
50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 5170-5875.

Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more money 
for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both wisps and 
consumers.

--
Arthur Stephens
Senior Networking Technician
Ptera Inc.
PO Box 135
24001 E Mission Suite 50
Liberty Lake, WA 99019

Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

2014-02-10 Thread Patrick Leary
Amen. Preach it Brother Marlon.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 12:19, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) 
o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

I’m with Forrest here.

Back in the “back ol’ days” of everyone running amps (we had to back then in 
many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power.  More power means faster 
service at longer ranges right?

WRONG.  Carrier to interference level is where your speed and distance comes 
from.

The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce much more 
*detectable* power outside their main band.  That power outside the main band 
causes the interference.

It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I convinced many 
WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the performance of their 
networks.  It was nearly 100% true.  In the rare cases when lower power levels 
didn’t work it was because people were trying to use higher powers to over-ride 
physics and go through trees, buildings etc.

One very important note here.  If you do try lower power levels you’ll have to 
lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable levels (RSSI should be between 
–65 and –75 for most modern radios to perform their best, –55 will work but see 
the above notes about self inflicted interference).

A quick check is to shut down all of your AP’s in an area and see what the 
noise goes to.

Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference information.  If 
you are checking those levels via anything other than a real spectrum analyzer 
you’ll likely find out that there are also other things happening in your area.

Call if you’d like and we can talk this out a bit more.

509.988.0260

laters,
marlon


From: Forrest Christian (List Account)mailto:li...@packetflux.com
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it sounds like 
you are definitely running outside the limits since you are whining about the 
ability to run your radios in a mode which seems to have no use than to exceed 
the limits.

I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than they should 
be that your nose floor problem is most likely self inflicted.   My experience 
over the years is that radios are designed to run at a specific tx power and if 
you're exceeding it you get a lot of out of channel bleed over.  Even if the 
radios don't do this you are introducing far more rf than is likely needed 
causing an overall rising of the noise floor.

Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all either 
dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an operator like you are 
now.  And right now we're trying to gain credibility with the FCC which is hard 
to do when some operators are flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which makes us a 
bit grumpy.

I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you better 
understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve your operations 
which will in turn improve your quality of service.   Heck, I'd drive over 
there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.

In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help you reap 
the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.

On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, Art Stephens 
asteph...@ptera.commailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:
Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps out of these 
frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for about 40% of 
our equipment deployed would render them unusable since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 
50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy supports 5170-5875.

Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes more money 
for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up for both wisps and 
consumers.

--
Arthur Stephens
Senior Networking Technician
Ptera Inc.
PO Box 135
24001 E Mission Suite 50
Liberty Lake, WA 99019
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

2014-01-20 Thread Patrick Leary
At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that was 
an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect SU to 
SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never an 
engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I had no 
knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the extender.

Patrick Leary
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was you 
have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through the 
head router.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
 connection.

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 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

 It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
 Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on the 
 same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or 
 disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the 
 Alvarion setup, if it is configurable at all?

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

2014-01-20 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, that can be done and commonly was. I do not recall the exact setting.

Patrick Leary
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Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

Oh... sorry I thought we were talking about one SU talking to the other while 
both were connected to the same AU.

Yeah, I don't know of anyway to make an SU talk to an SU direct.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/20/14, 3:22 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 At one point they had a cell extender that acted as a repeater, but that 
 was an AU and SU merged into a single NEMA box. I know of no way to connect 
 SU to SU directly without an AU in the middle. The caveat is that I was never 
 an engineer, so maybe there was some super secret agent setting for which I 
 had no knowledge. I doubt it though, otherwise they'd no have built the 
 extender.

 Patrick Leary
   M 727.501.3735






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 On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:19 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

 H, I thought I recalled that you could turn that off?  Or maybe it was 
 you have to assign a different subnet IP to each device so they talk through 
 the head router.


 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 1/20/14, 3:15 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 Edward, from my Alvarion days, I know of no way to enable CPE to CPE 
 connection.

 Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735





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 Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:28 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL SU to SU

 It is, but it's been way too long, I don't recall where the setting is.


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 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312

 On 1/20/14, 2:10 PM, Edward Spoon wrote:
 Seems like there is a filter preventing SU to SU communication on 
 the same AP. I know Trango's had this and had an option to enable or 
 disable. Anyone familiar with where this setting would be in the 
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q

2013-06-19 Thread Patrick Leary
I have sent you an offlist post Carlos.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion B100 802.1Q-IN-Q

Anyone doing 802.1q-in-q through alvarion B100 radio's?  There data
sheets
lack detail and there website seem to not have any #'s to call to talk
to
a pre sales.

PS. Sorry for any cross posting on other mailing list...



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1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Announces Discounted Press Release Program for Members

2013-04-30 Thread Patrick Leary
That is an exceptional deal Rick. Having spent 5 years on the marketing side I 
know both the effort and costs associated with PRs. I also know the value of a 
well done PR. WISPA is adding really good value here folks and I'd highly 
advise you leverage this new service. I say that because in the digital age, 
news from the PR News Wires spreads fast  and far and will put eyeballs in your 
area on your news. Even some of the mobile news apps out there may pick up some 
of these PRs under their local news feeds.

 

Now, a few basic good practices for PRs:

 

They should really be no more than 4 4-5 sentence paragraphs. First paragraph 
should contain all the central messaging (some only read that far). Paragraph 
two should spell out in a little more detail the new thing (new service, new 
town launched or new marquis customer or etc.) focusing on the benefits. Three 
should have a quote from some meaningful third party, like the customer, a city 
official, etc. that mentions how great X is and why. Four should have a quote 
from your exec and maybe a bit more detail about features (as opposed to the 
benefits you mentioned in 2. E.g. if in 2 you say something like how your new 
service enables burp-free streaming, than 4 might mention the specific service 
package.

 

Every PR should have a few sentence under the heading About so and so, that 
is your boiler plate company statement.  Include accurate contact info 
following that.

 

Finally, edit, edit, edit for spelling and grammar -- nothing will ruin a good 
PR like poor grammar.

 

I'll close by saying no matter which gear you use, I am always willing to look 
over anyone's PR in this space and provide feedback and advice. I'm good at it 
and I can promise you'll not get anything from me but appropriate advice.

 

Regards,

 

Patrick Leary

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[WISPA] Steve Coran

2013-04-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Pls call me ASAP. 727.501.3735

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Re: [WISPA] Steve Coran

2013-04-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Thx. Just spoke to him.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 (202) 416-6744 -- phone
 
 (202) 669-3288 -- mobile
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

2013-04-18 Thread Patrick Leary
That's a trademarked company name of a Canadian operator.

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Duncan Scott
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 8:34 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

For a while we were using WiBand, which I though was catchy.

~Duncan
On 4/16/2013 4:56 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

 So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service acronym to market... 
 like WiFi, 4G, LTE and DSL And it hit me...

 Fixed Wireless Broadband...

 FiWi-B

 Promunced feewee bee?

 No?

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 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

2013-04-18 Thread Patrick Leary
That's a pretty cool name.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 7:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

Well, doesn't really matter to me and I haven't been part of this
discussion, but SkiFi sounds reasonable.  And I want my prize for making
that up too...

 

like SciFi but SkiFi - cause after all, it aint going through the
ground  ??  yes / no  And my prize is?

 

Some nucklehead is going to trademark that any way if not already and
it'll be gone as fast as it arrived

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

 

 



From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:09 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

Many have called this the BWA industry for years. Broadband Wireless
Access. Don't pigeon hole with the word fixed just as all the world
has embraced mobile -- it makes us look like dinosaurs...even if I
resemble that comment.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Clark
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

Coming soon FiWi  Second Generation 

 

Just like cells Phone company's 

2g

3g

4g

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the broadband is almost a given)

Pronounced fy why

On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

FiWi IMO

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, Jorge Santiago 
jscnetwo...@gmail.com wrote:

Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service
acronym to market. like WiFi,  4G, LTE and DSL..   And it hit me.

 

Fixed Wireless Broadband.

 

FiWi-B  

 

Promunced feewee bee?

 

No?

 

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g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the SDKprogram?

2013-04-17 Thread Patrick Leary
well sure!  ...  :)

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Sharples
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Alternatives to Ubiquiti hardware after death of the
SDKprogram?

 

Hello all,

 

We're being forced to look at alternatives to UBNT now that they've
killed off the SDK program, and I imagine some of the larger WISPs that
rely on the ability to heavily customize feature-sets feel the same way.
Any suggestions as to where we should be looking? 

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

2013-04-17 Thread Patrick Leary
Many have called this the BWA industry for years. Broadband Wireless
Access. Don't pigeon hole with the word fixed just as all the world
has embraced mobile -- it makes us look like dinosaurs...even if I
resemble that comment.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Clark
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

Coming soon FiWi  Second Generation 

 

Just like cells Phone company's 

2g

3g

4g

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry Accronym

 

+1 for FiWi (for fixed wireless - the broadband is almost a given)

Pronounced fy why



On 4/16/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

FiWi IMO

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 8:15 PM, Jorge Santiago
jscnetwo...@gmail.com wrote:

Gino, honestly that sounds weird! LOL

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:

So I was thinking that us as Wisp need a service
acronym to market... like WiFi,  4G, LTE and DSL   And it hit me...

 

Fixed Wireless Broadband...

 

FiWi-B  

 

Promunced feewee bee?

 

No?

 

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g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

2013-02-04 Thread Patrick Leary
Nice work by Bonsal effecting the rescue. Never climb alone (I know some
people actually do).

Patrick Leary
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Behalf Of Greg Osborn
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg
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Tower climber went into hypothermia on the 1-23-13 and had to be rescued

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Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Don't think that's the case

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 I knew it was too good to be true...
 
 Bridge and Router Modes - Require additional licenses.
 
 :(
 
 On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
 or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
 I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
 examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
 me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
 
 Patrick Leary
 
 Alvarion
 
 727.501.3735
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
 
 I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
 CPE?
 
 How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
 
 Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
 
 Pricing?
 
 --
 
 On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
lot older!
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com
wrote:
 
I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
(filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
versions.
 
The specs on the dual band sector are:
 
2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
 
5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
 
Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
 
2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm
 
Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
the range too.
 
Patrick Leary
 
Alvarion
 
727.501.3735
 
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
Patrick,
 
Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
tower running 3X3?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
patrick.le...@alvarion.com
mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:
 
Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
 
WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V
details if you want.
 
WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band
omnis, again with each band 3x3.
 
WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector
and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
 
Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
 
Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-28 Thread Patrick Leary
If configured that way, yes. If not, no.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:59 AM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote:

 I have the same question as to whether non-proprietary devices like 
 cellphones and laptops will be able to connect to the AP. For example, 
 in a municipal deployment where the town wants to give all residents 
 low-cost or free Internet access.
 
 On 1/27/2013 7:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm assuming that since stadiums are a market, these are traditional WiFi, 
 since you can't very well plug a USB dongle into a smartphone.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:21:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 
 
 
 
 I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
 ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet 
 have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
 WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, 
 indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason 
 why we are doing the sector versions.
 
 
 
 The specs on the dual band sector are:
 
 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
 
 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
 
 
 
 Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
 requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
 
 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
 5 GHz: 49 dBm
 
 
 
 Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
 range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
 engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away 
 from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I 
 am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to 
 be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that 
 should help the range too.
 
 
 
 
 Patrick Leary
 
 Alvarion
 
 727.501.3735
 
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 
 
 
 Patrick,
 
 
 Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 
 3X3?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
 
 On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary  patrick.le...@alvarion.com  
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
 version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
 (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
 
 
 
 WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
 elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
 
 WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with 
 each band 3x3.
 
 WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
 
 
 
 Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
 
 Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
 factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. 
 It is a really effective little box.
 
 There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
 
 There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
 
 
 
 I have to check as there may be others.
 
 
 
 Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
 
 
 
 They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all 
 the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This 
 helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have 
 several other patented interference mitigation techniques.
 
 
 
 Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet 
 deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
 
 
 
 Patrick Leary
 
 Alvarion
 
 727.501.3735
 
 
 
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
 Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: j...@mvn.net ; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 
 
 
 
 We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
 wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. The 
 most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
 issues at around 80-90 clients. The model mentioned is BG only not N. 
 Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual 
 mimo on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. They use something called 
 beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-28 Thread Patrick Leary
Best complete info will come via the Feb 12 webinar.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 So how can we get some solid info on this thing?  It looks really 
 impressive... but there are so many questions!
 
 On 1/28/13 9:25 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 Don't think that's the case
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com 
 wrote:
 
 I knew it was too good to be true...
 
 Bridge and Router Modes - Require additional licenses.
 
 :(
 
 On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector
 or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine.
 I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing
 examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit
 me OFFLIST and I'll do the same.
 
 Patrick Leary
 
 Alvarion
 
 727.501.3735
 
 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
 I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.
 
 I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
 CPE?
 
 How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?
 
 Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?
 
 Pricing?
 
 --
 
 On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
lot older!
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes
mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:
 
So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from
yester-year?  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary
patrick.le...@alvarion.com mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com
wrote:
 
I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different
from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware
(filters and such), so I don't yet have North American
anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not
WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like
smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc.
The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the sector
versions.
 
The specs on the dual band sector are:
 
2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
 
5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
 
Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet
the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
 
2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm
 
Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to
get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I
know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting
stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from his
house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story
porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I
should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is
bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help
the range too.
 
Patrick Leary
 
Alvarion
 
727.501.3735
 
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
 
Patrick,
 
Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the
tower running 3X3?
 
Sent from my iPad
 
 
On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary
patrick.le...@alvarion.com
mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:
 
Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that
version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis
diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate
(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are
N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz
side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
 
WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120
degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V
details if you want.
 
WBSn 2450-O which has

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-27 Thread Patrick Leary
The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single sector or 3 
diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it just fine. I'll be on a 
big road trip this week, but I'll send you some pricing examples offlist 
tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else interested hit me OFFLIST and I'll do 
the same. 

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Blair Davis
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.

I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT CPE?

How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?  

Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?

Pricing?

--

On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:

Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing 
like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. 
...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older!

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com 
wrote:

So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is 
the licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year?  Or are 
they wide open and you get what you buy?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:

I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and 
different from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and 
such), so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most 
international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for 
apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP 
market is a big reason why we are doing the sector versions.

 

The specs on the dual band sector are:

2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV

5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV

 

Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they 
meet the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:

2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm

 

Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math 
then to get an idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a 
trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device 
one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd 
story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume 
mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as 
well, so that should help the range too.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

Patrick,

Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from 
the tower running 3X3?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary 
patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:

Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, 
that version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That 
has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are 
N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The 
versions include:

 

WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector 
in 120 degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you 
want.

WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed 
dual band omnis, again with each band 3x3. 

WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 
sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.

 

Yes John, we have client devices, among them:

Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it 
is basically a very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal 
and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-27 Thread Patrick Leary
A lot more and two engineers to answer questions, one of them owned his own 
Canopy-based WISP for years.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

On that same note... is there more info on this webinar?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 1/27/13 6:13 PM, Blair Davis wrote:
 I'd like more info on these or similar things as well.

 I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE?  I don't have to replace all my UBNT
 CPE?

 How about the omni antenna plots/patterns?

 Maybe a 2.4GHz only version?

 Pricing?

 --
 On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series.
 Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor
 CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a
 lot older!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the
 licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year?
  Or are they wide open and you get what you buy?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
 mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:

 I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the
 previous ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such),
 so I don't yet have North American anecdotal examples. Most
 international examples are not WISP-based I understand, using omni
 versions for apps like smart cities, indoor coverage from outside,
 stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing the
 sector versions.

 The specs on the dual band sector are:

 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV

 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV

 Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP
 FCC requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:

 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
 5 GHz: 49 dBm

 Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an
 idea of range at various heights. The one example I know from a
 trusted source (my engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the
 USB device one mile away from his house with the BTS mounted on the
 railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS
 condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The
 beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that
 should help the range too.

 Patrick Leary

 Alvarion

 727.501.3735

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
 *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 Patrick,

 Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower
 running 3X3?

 Sent from my iPad


 On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
 mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:

 Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the
 legacy b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450
 mbps aggregate (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450
 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and the
 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:

 WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees
 with 6 antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you
 want.

 WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis,
 again with each band 3x3.

 WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3
 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.

 Yes John, we have client devices, among them:

 Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a
 very small form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal
 and re-broadcasts indoor. It is a really effective little box.

 There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.

 There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.

 I have to check as there may be others.

 Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.

 They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas
 target all the energy to each client and does this on a per
 packet decision basis. This helps considerably with interference
 mitigation. The radios also have several other patented
 interference mitigation techniques.

 Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well
 and the 2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete
 submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes and feel like tanks.

 Patrick Leary

 Alvarion

 727.501.3735

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-26 Thread Patrick Leary
The big Canadian operator is using our traditional 4Motion BreezeMAX WiMAX 
gear. I believe they are now layering in the small footprint new 4x4 (but I 
think they are using it in 4x2) Compacts though, which cost much less than the 
original base stations. I think they are over 20k subs at this point.  They 
sell 5 to 10 mbps service and put well over 100 subs on a sector. Their 
oversubscription is higher than most WISPs would do, but the network seems to 
be managed well. I think it is about 15:1. It's not for everyone, but it works 
for them.

 

Re the former Wavion stuff, on Feb 12, we'll be doing a WISPA webinar on the 
new products born from our acquisition of Wavion. 900 mbps aggregate dual band 
outdoor IP68-rated APs. Each has an array of 6 radios with bi-directional 
adaptive beamforming that adjusts per packet so we were able to cert them using 
PtP power rules. That makes coverage and indoor penetration really good. One of 
our engineers put one of the new APs on his 2nd story porch and did 20 mbps 
from his laptop with just a USB device at 1 mile. As part of the webinar we'll 
introduce sustained special pricing for proven WISPA members.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tyson Shreeves
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's.  They can b a little pricey 
though.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Huawei?  Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of.

Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd 
consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are 
generally too low of throughput to be useful.

I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi space to 
not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik has their 
whole RouterOS behind it and generally works.

Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It looks 
really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive.

100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I have 
areas where I could put something multiples higher to use.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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To: us...@wug.cc, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM
Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone
successfully deploying something else to service both residential and
business customers?

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-26 Thread Patrick Leary
Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate (obviously 
in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 radios. Both 
the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:

 

WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.

WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with each 
band 3x3. 

WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 diagonally-opposed 
2.4 omnis.

 

Yes John, we have client devices, among them:

Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. It 
is a really effective little box.

There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.

There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.

 

I have to check as there may be others.

 

Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.

 

They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all the 
energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This helps 
considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have several other 
patented interference mitigation techniques.

 

Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) 
boxes and feel like tanks.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tyson Shreeves
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap.  The most 
we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance issues at 
around 80-90 clients.  The model mentioned is BG only not N.  Clients connected 
were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it.  Customers 
speeds set from 512k to 5Mb.  They use something called beam forming I believe 
that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles more 
efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 
miles near line of sight.  The new ones they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4 
 5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients.  And another 
plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is create a tech file in 
the web gui email it and they are good about troubleshooting with you.  If u 
have specific questions I didn't answer let me know.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



John Scrivner j...@mvn.net wrote:

Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is it omni 
or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer link? 
Latency results average/max/min on longest shot? Do they only use plain vanilla 
Wifi or some scheduled TDMA variant (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old 
Karlnet stuff)? Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many deployments? 
Anything like this would be very valuable. I liked to hearing about all Wavion 
was supposed to be able to do when I saw them at a show but I am always 
hesitant to believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a real outdoor delivery 
platform. Very interested to hear your results about this device.

Thank you,

Scriv

  

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves ty...@wigi.us wrote:

We have had good luck with a couple of wavion AP's.  They can b a little pricey 
though.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Huawei?  Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with their stuff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can think of.

Alvarion has recently come out with a higher capacity AP (LTE?), but I'd 
consider it to be at the new bar for average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are 
generally too low of throughput to be useful.

I don't think anyone has really enough of a differentiator in the WiFi space to 
not use UBNT or Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. Mikrotik has their 
whole RouterOS behind it and generally works.

Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's doing their own thing. It looks 
really good if only the APs were 90% less expensive.

100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the minimum to be considered. I have 
areas where I could put something multiples higher to use.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Matt Jenkins m

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-26 Thread Patrick Leary
I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet have 
North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, indoor 
coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason why we 
are doing the sector versions.

 

The specs on the dual band sector are:

2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV

5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV

 

Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:

2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
5 GHz: 49 dBm

 

Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away from 
his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I am not 
sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to be safe. 
The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that should help 
the range too.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

Patrick,

Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 3X3?

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:

Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy 
b/g version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
(obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:

 

WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 
antenna elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.

WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again 
with each band 3x3. 

WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.

 

Yes John, we have client devices, among them:

Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small 
form factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. 
It is a really effective little box.

There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.

There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.

 

I have to check as there may be others.

 

Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.

 

They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target 
all the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. 
This helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have 
several other patented interference mitigation techniques.

 

Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 
2450 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet 
deep) boxes and feel like tanks.

 

Patrick Leary

Alvarion

727.501.3735

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

 

We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for 
trying wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap.  
The most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
issues at around 80-90 clients.  The model mentioned is BG only not N.  Clients 
connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual mimo on it.  
Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb.  They use something called beam forming 
I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate or go around obstacles 
more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I usually hate) it gets a solid 
5-7 miles near line of sight.  The new ones they have are BGN and can dual 
band(2.4  5.8) and supposedly can handle double the amount of clients.  And 
another plus is the few times we have had issues all ive done is create a tech 
file in the web gui email it and they are good about troubleshooting with you.  
If u have specific questions I didn't answer let me know.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



John Scrivner j...@mvn.net wrote:

Could you share details about Wavion? How many customers on an AP? Is 
it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they have AP and client devices? Longest customer 
link? Latency

Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?

2013-01-26 Thread Patrick Leary
Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. Nothing like 
VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub $50, outdoor CPE sub $150. ...This 
is not the old Alvarion, though I'm feeling a lot older!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 So when can more information about these devices be had?  Is the licensing 
 going to be similar to the VL equipment from yester-year?  Or are they wide 
 open and you get what you buy?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:
 
 I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and different from the previous 
 ones in terms of some of the hardware (filters and such), so I don't yet 
 have North American anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not 
 WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for apps like smart cities, 
 indoor coverage from outside, stadiums, etc. The WISP market is a big reason 
 why we are doing the sector versions.
  
 The specs on the dual band sector are:
 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV
 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV
  
 Effective directed EIRP totals are high because they meet the PTP FCC 
 requirements because of the adaptive beamforming:
 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm
 5 GHz: 49 dBm
  
 Those of you smarter than I can probably do the math then to get an idea of 
 range at various heights. The one example I know from a trusted source (my 
 engineer) is his getting stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away 
 from his house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his 2nd story porch. I 
 am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, but I should assume mostly LOS to 
 be safe. The beamforming is bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that 
 should help the range too.
  
 Patrick Leary
 Alvarion
 727.501.3735
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
  
 Patrick,
 Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get from the tower running 
 3X3?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that version is the legacy b/g 
 version with 3 omnis diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate 
 (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 series are N-based and feature 6 
 radios. Both the 2.4 and the 5GHz side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include:
  
 WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector in 120 degrees with 6 antenna 
 elements. I can get you exact H/V details if you want.
 WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed dual band omnis, again with 
 each band 3x3.
 WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 sector and 3 
 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis.
  
 Yes John, we have client devices, among them:
 Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is basically a very small form 
 factor repeater that picks up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. 
 It is a really effective little box.
 There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect.
 There is also a USB version CPE as well as a desk mount.
  
 I have to check as there may be others.
  
 Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver 900 mbps aggregate.
  
 They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which means the antennas target all 
 the energy to each client and does this on a per packet decision basis. This 
 helps considerably with interference mitigation. The radios also have 
 several other patented interference mitigation techniques.
  
 Alvarion improved upon the performance of these radios as well and the 2450 
 series are the result. All are IP68 (complete submersion down to 3 feet 
 deep) boxes and feel like tanks.
  
 Patrick Leary
 Alvarion
 727.501.3735
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Tyson Shreeves
 Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM
 To: j...@mvn.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?
  
 We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our original reason for trying 
 wavion was the amount of clients we wanted to connect to a single ap.  The 
 most we had was 110 clients at one time, but we noticed some performance 
 issues at around 80-90 clients.  The model mentioned is BG only not N.  
 Clients connected were roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt dual 
 mimo on it.  Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb.  They use something 
 called beam forming I believe that supposedly just enables it to penetrate 
 or go around obstacles more efficiently and I think for an omni (which I 
 usually hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of sight.  The new ones 
 they have are BGN and can dual band(2.4  5.8) and supposedly can handle 
 double the amount of clients.  And another plus is the few times we have had 
 issues all ive done is create a tech file in the web gui

[WISPA] FL Panhandle or south AL WISP?

2012-11-28 Thread Patrick Leary
If you are a WISP in the subject area and would like a visit from me
around the 11th of December, please let me know OFFLIST. I'd know I'd
enjoy and appreciate it.

 

Regards,

 

Patrick Leary

Eastern U.S.  Canada Sales Director

Alvarion

m: 727.501.3735

o: 727.851.9140

 

FCC Spectrum Policy Task Force panelist, 2002

WISP Advocate of the Year, 2002, Part-15.org

Most Significant Vendor, 2008, WISPA

Knight of the Black Tie awardee, 2012, WISPA

 

 



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[WISPA] Thanksgiving appreciation

2012-11-21 Thread Patrick Leary
Some of you know the, well, wildness of the last 5 or so years for me,
but here I am healthier than ever and extraordinarily thankful that even
the gods at Stanford Medical Center are still occasionally wrong. And
now I am back in the industry I love with my home company that now
understands where its bread is buttered. My management is amazing --
something I've never been able to say. I've a wife and family that
provide a satisfying home life and bring humor and humility.

 

You folks are the best; you have your own skin in the game and are
genuinely care about the services you provide to your communities.  That
makes you special and important. I may never earn the business of many
of you, but that is not a qualification for my respect nor appreciation
of what you do.  Know regardless if I can help, I will., so please reach
out.

 

I hope for you all the blessings for which I am myself very thankful.

 

Kindly,

 

Patrick Leary

 



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2012-11-06 Thread Patrick Leary
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???

2012-11-03 Thread Patrick Leary
Considering Ben is working hard all Saturday wading into the dialogue deeply 
implies UBNT takes this seriously and cares. That alone says much. Props to Ben 
from a fellow vendor.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:

 I have been in contact with Ben through several emails.  I am confident that 
 they are doing their best to address these issues.  This is not the type of 
 thing WISPA should be focusing on anyways. 
  
 Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Rick Harnish
 Executive Director
 WISPA
 260-307-4000 cell
 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
 Skype: rick.harnish.
 rharn...@wispa.org
 adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)
  
  
  
  
 From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
 Of Lewis Bergman
 Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:59 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
  
 A good example of a good company trying to do a good thing and failing at it. 
 Maybe because it is outside of their core competence. No good deed goes 
 unpunished.
 Ben could answer but my bet is that they wanted to come out with the cable to 
 help their customers with a perceived issue. That issue being quality cable 
 at a reasonable price. I doubt Ubiquity thought they were going to make a 
 mint off of cable margins. 
 
 I would rather see a company like ubiquity focus on their main business and 
 churn out great products on a reliable ship schedule than get distracted by 
 fringe lines. Of course all of this is easy to say in the middle of a storm. 
 I would likely be praising them and their cable if there weren't so many 
 issues. I am just glad I didn't buy much of it.
 
 Lewis Bergman
 Texas Communications
 4309 Maple St.
 Abilene, TX 79602-8099
 325-695-6962 x 1601
 325-439-0533 cell
 On 11/3/2012 11:47 AM, Ben Moore wrote:
 Hi Rick,
  
 I will add a little more to this...The cable itself was tested thoroughly 
 prior to release (UV, outdoor rating, etc...).  The cable passed all testing. 
  Unfortunately, some of the cable did not have the same quality as the cable 
 that was tested/passed testing.  We have corrected this and moved away from 
 the vendor that caused these issues.  The new cable has not had any issues.
  
 As stated, we will work any customer that has experienced problems with the 
 cable.  Please contact us directly.
  
 Thanks,
 Ben  
  
 On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote:
 I just heard about these problems last week at WISPAPALOOZA from Matt 
 Villarreal.  It sounds like a serious issue and one that should be addressed 
 by the manufacturer.  While Ubiquiti is a great partner for WISPA and the 
 industry, they do need to take responsibility for products developed and 
 pushed to market without proper testing.  I am BCC copying Ben Moore to see 
 what they intend to do about this problem.  It will be interesting to know 
 how many reels of this defective cable were sold, whether the defective 
 coating has been corrected and whether replacement cable will be shipped. 
 
  
 
 It would be the best interest of everyone if class action can be avoided.  
 Let’s come to the table and come to a satisfactory conclusion for all.  I 
 will await Ben and Ubiquiti’s response before taking any further steps.
 
  
 Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Rick Harnish
 Executive Director
 WISPA
 260-307-4000 cell
 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
 Skype: rick.harnish.
 rharn...@wispa.org
 adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)
  
  
  
 
  
 
  -Original Message-
 
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 
  Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:03 AM
 
  To: WISPA General List
 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are Ubiquiti cables failing???
 
 
 
  Hi all
 
 
 
  any feedback (positive or negative) regarding the new TOUGHCable CARRIER
 
  ?
 
 
 
  Just for curiosity: Anybody thinking of a class action ?
 
 
 
  It's not only the value of the cable or smoked devices itself, it's also 
  the service
 
  interruption
 
 
 
  Thank you
 
 
 
   I just saw our first failure a couple weeks ago, it was consistent
 
   with photos I've seen of other ubnt toughcable failures. The jacket
 
   has turned from the original grey color to a translucent green, and
 
   hairline cracks then develop across the diameter of the cable. Almost
 
   like the plastic has shrunk, imagine alligator skin. In this failure,
 
   the POE was soaked and the radio had a blown eth port. Complete new
 
   install for the customer, except the roof tripod.
 
  
 
   On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com
 
  wrote:
 
   Steve do you know specifically what failed yet? Did random holes just
 
   appear in the sheath? Is yours the black or green? I'm worried
 
   because we've been recommending this shielded cable to all our
 
   customers esp. in 

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-02 Thread Patrick Leary
If you are speaking about backhaul, I might tend to agree Mike. But if PMP, 
which is what 4.9GHz is primarily for (PTP is literally considered a secondary 
service in 4.9 is only supposedly approved for temp service), then 4.9 GHz is 
the only option for high capacity PMP for public safety outside of using public 
bands like 5 GHz.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:19 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but 
the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much 
different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, 
it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since 
I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax 
Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are 
doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear 
is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
 Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
 and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
 from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
 what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
 Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
 and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
 its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
 globally.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide 
 market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the 
 challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT 
 achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I see its is that you might 
 need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH 
 either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
 ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
 with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-02 Thread Patrick Leary
With modern gear such as our 2x2 Extreme, creating PMP coverage has never been 
better for both NLOS challenges and certainly makes LOS connections easier than 
ever, wouldn't you say?

Not sure you mean by not the LOS advantage of normal installs. What in 4.9 
disadvantages LOS connections?

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Correct, I was speaking about backhaul. I've questioned the usability of 4.9 
GHz for PtMP because you have the propagation disadvantages of 5 GHz, but not 
the LOS advantage of normal installs.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 7:23:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

If you are speaking about backhaul, I might tend to agree Mike. But if PMP, 
which is what 4.9GHz is primarily for (PTP is literally considered a secondary 
service in 4.9 is only supposedly approved for temp service), then 4.9 GHz is 
the only option for high capacity PMP for public safety outside of using public 
bands like 5 GHz.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:19 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I have a client that is eligible for 4.9 GHz (already have the license), but 
the cost\benefit ratio goes to licensed gear over 4.9 GHz. The price isn't much 
different, but hte throughput is vastly different and you get real protection.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:52:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, 
it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since 
I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax 
Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are 
doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear 
is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
 Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
 and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
 from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
 what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
 Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
 and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
 its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
 globally.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-02 Thread Patrick Leary
Our new COMPACT is a true SDR radio using FPGAs. But that only allows for 
changes in protocols like from WiMAX to LTE. The actual RF side is another 
matter. Cell phones do not have one radio, but rather a dozen or so. You'll not 
find a SDR that tunes for TX/RX across a huge swath of spectrum. I'm not an 
engineer but much would have to change. As I understand it, the wider the RF of 
a single radio, the less clean its masks.

I'd welcome smarter folks than I chiming in.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181)
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Ahh, but that's THE magic of SDR Patrick!  Everything will use one chip. 
Phone, baby monitor, licensed link and yes, WiFi.

When the HARDWARE is totally standardized it'll be relatively cheap and you 
guys can really get funky with the things you make them do for us.

Anything from Gino's request to a straight WiFi device will be possible.

I've been waiting for SDRadios to come out since I first heard of them.  I 
really got excited back in what, 2004 or 05 when Rick H. and I spoke at an 
SDRadio conference.  Talking to the guys that are going to build this gear gave 
me goose bumps!

Just imagine when the devices can detect others in the area, adjust power, 
bands and channels based on what's actually happening in the band.  Without us 
having to touch them.  Like plugging in a hair dryer.  It won't matter if the 
voltage is 125 or 105, the device will be able to deal with what it's given.

The best days for the WISP market are indeed ahead of us.  *If we can 
effectively deal with video content/entertainment... (Anyone looked at the BW 
needs of 3d HD and the new super HD video formats?  ug.)*

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary patrick.le...@alvarion.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!


 I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they 
 do. Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their 
 commodity and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP 
 market, but its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total 
 Wi-Fi units sold globally.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 
 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to 
 SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi 
 chipsets.  The way I see its is that you might need to think out of the 
 box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets 
 ore something similar

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
 ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
 with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 
 5 GHz.

 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 
 1B cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to 
 drive W A Y down.

 Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky 
 if I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being 
 our 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. 
 I remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes 
 time and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the 
 costs of FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low 
 enough to go into base stations.

 It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

 Patrick Leary
 Alvarion
 m: 727.501.3735

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







 I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
 developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use 
 various spectrum bands to talk to CPEs…



 Imaging having an AP

Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-01 Thread Patrick Leary
That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

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Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-01 Thread Patrick Leary
I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

*nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

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Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-01 Thread Patrick Leary
I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
globally.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide market, 2.4 
ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the challenge is to SCALE as 
you say... that is something that UBNT achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I 
see its is that you might need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier 
aggregation WITH either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done with 
802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 GHz.

2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A Y 
down.

Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if I 
leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 3.65 
COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I remember 
Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time and mass 
before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of FPGAs have 
gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go into base 
stations.

It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
m: 727.501.3735

- Original Message -
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: a...@afmug.com, WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:14:39 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!







I would like to see a Multiband Mimo PMP System similar to what is being 
developed in the LTE-Advanced RF protocol, where a BaseStation can use various 
spectrum bands to talk to CPEs… 



Imaging having an AP with multiple RF Sections using 2.4,3.x,5.x and aggregate 
all bands in a single Layer 1 medium to the CPE…also could split the 
downlink/uplink in various bands…youll need sync, plus some special sauce to 
organize Spectrum availability and Identify external interference.. but all 
that could be achieve out of the AP in a Cloud controller… 



So whos the taker? 



Gino A. Villarini 

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 

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Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

2012-11-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Faisal, I'll reply offlist.

Patrick Leary
m: 727.501.3735


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

Hi Patrick,

Let me also chime in

Yes, UBNT has been a market disruptor, and Yes, while they have a good product, 
it is not necessarily a 'Fit' for all.
Which brings me to the question that I have been wondering all day today, since 
I read your Alvarion Promo / Post.

Can I ask you to list us how the BreezeULTRA would differ from UBNT Airmax 
Products.
4.9Ghz is nice, but for most of us it is useless... unless for those who are 
doing consulting work for Local / City Gov.
May be they will consider using 4.9 rather than 5.x simply because the 5.x gear 
is cheaper.

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

On 11/1/2012 5:40 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
 I learned what really makes them special though is their commitment to WISPs. 
 Their gear is far from perfect, but they sure seem eager to make things right 
 and constantly look for ways to bring value. You'll only hear positive things 
 from me re them, but not everything is a fit for everyone...at least that's 
 what I'm banking on in my return here and back to this market in general.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 *nods* build volume cheaply, then you have the volume to do your own thing.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:30:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That’s what I meant, they piggy backed on the wifi chipset market...

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I'd argue that the existing Wi-Fi scale allowed Ubiquity to do what they do. 
 Ergo, the scale happened before them and that's what allowed their commodity 
 and disruptive pricing to work. Ubiquity is killing the res WISP market, but 
 its total volume registers not even a blip in terms of total Wi-Fi units sold 
 globally.

 Patrick Leary
 m: 727.501.3735


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 5:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 I think that there are some common bands that would allow a wide 
 market, 2.4 ghz, 3.x ghz and 5.x ghz are fairly widespread, the 
 challenge is to SCALE as you say... that is something that UBNT 
 achieved using wifi chipsets.  The way I see its is that you might 
 need to think out of the box to achieve multicarrier aggregation WITH 
 either cheap wifi chipsets ore something similar

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Challenge to PMP manufacturers!

 That'd be one sexy product Gino. Two obvious challenges:

 1. Lack of international unity in spectrum used for BWA, which hurts the 
 ability to get to commodity pricing. Of course, this is already being done 
 with 802.11n though, which supports both 2.4 GHz (802.11g compatible) and 5 
 GHz.

 2. The cellular guys benefit from S C A L E. Last I heard there were over 1B 
 cell phones in use today. That's some scale man and enables cost to drive W A 
 Y down.

 Now you are seeing SDR radios (I know, that's redundant, but sounds funky if 
 I leave out radio) hitting the market for our space, the latest being our 
 3.65 COMPACT. This at least enables some strong investment protection. I 
 remember Vanu Bose championing them way back in to 2002, but it takes time 
 and mass before things get to market. We can only do it because the costs of 
 FPGAs have gone way down. Not low enough to use in CPE, but low enough to go 
 into base stations.

 It's good though for you guys to constantly apply pressure.

 Patrick Leary
 Alvarion
 m: 727.501.3735

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini

[WISPA] Bye, for now

2010-10-04 Thread Patrick Leary
Hello All,

I wanted to drop a post to the community that effective this week, I
will no longer be with Aperto Networks/Tranzeo. Should you have any
commercial questions for Aperto, direct them to Jeff Piper at
jpi...@apertonet.com.

I'll be looking for new ways to contribute to the community, which
continues to be a dynamic and interesting place even after my eleven
years. With the new White Spaces, things may get even more interesting
in the months and years ahead. I can be reach directly via my number and
personal e-mail below and I look forward to hearing from folks and
keeping my finger on the pulse on the wireless market as things shake
out.

Your friend,

Patrick

Patrick Leary
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

2010-08-31 Thread Patrick Leary
Just as an FYI folks, 

After seeing this thread I sent it to the Tranzeo guys and they taking a
look at it. Please do, when you encounter issues such as these, report
them to your vendor (regardless of brand). Getting a record, finding
trends, etc. is the only way a vendor can uncover issues, then do root
cause analysis and create fixes as necessary. 

I appreciate the value of seeking out list advice, but please remember
to give your vendor a head's up too. Matt, et al, thanks for offering
your advice. I passed those along as well.

Cheers, 

Patrick

Patrick Leary
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(A Tranzeo Company)
813.426.4230 mobile

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

  If you are using Tranzeo TR5a, 49a or AP6000 series radios running in 
PtP mode on an all bridged network, they will lock up.   Newer firmware 
helps, but does not completely resolve this problem.   I ran in to this 
very problem recently while troubleshooting a client's network.

It may not be the perfect solution, but one thing you could do that is
quick an simple is install some of the Digital Loggers auto-ping/reboot 
devices at any site where you have a Tranzeo backhaul.   Turn on the 
autoping to test for the opposite side of the link and you won't have to
make any more drives.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/31/2010 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 I have 400+ Tranzeo CPQ's out and never have an issue with them not
rebooting after a change.  However I would never use a Tranzeo for an
AP.  Mikrotik AP to Tranzeo = stability and control.  More info please:
Models, Firmware, AP connecting to.

 (did you know there is a Tranzeo list on the WISPA list serve?)

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Mark Dueck
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:05 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo lockups

 I've been having quite a bit of problems with Tranzeo radios not
coming back online if I make a change to them remotely.  Usualy this is
with AP's or backhaul links.  I'd say about 30% of the time they will
not come back after making a change.

 Is anyone else experiencing this?  Does UBNT ever have that problem,
or MT?

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Re: [WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in Vienna

2010-08-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Lucky you!. Vienna is on my wanna go list and is consistently rated as
a top 3 city worldwide (vancouver and Sydney usually hold the other two
spaces). I will look forward to reading your posts Ben. Should be
interesting what folks are doing outside our boundaries.
 
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ben West
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:08 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in
Vienna


I operate a small, experimental 2.4GHz mesh in St. Louis called
WasabiNet, and I was happy I could attend the WISPA conference held here
last month.

In the course of developing WasabiNet, I received a small grant to
travel to the Int'l Summit for Community Wireless currently underway in
Vienna (wirelesssummit.org).

Lots of neat people and ideas flitting about here.  For those curious,
I'm keeping daily notes of the conference here:
https://sites.google.com/site/wasabinetwifi/Home/updates/wasabinetatwire
lesssummitvienna
https://sites.google.com/site/wasabinetwifi/Home/updates/wirelesssummitv
iennaday2

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

2010-08-10 Thread Patrick Leary
And it is a disaster and bait and switch scheme. Sure, don't
discriminate on FIXED (don't be fooled by the term wireline), but
choke the pipe so much that people will want to upgrade to premium
services where content will be pay-per-view type. This about segmenting
the Internet and to give carriers the keys to decide what content and
application YOU want. What YOU want actually does not matter.

The blogs are alive with outraged and panicked netroots people. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Hawthorne
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

It's Monday, here's what Google and Verizon were working on
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/08/google-verizon-propose-open-vs-pa
id-internets/ 

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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

Patrick
As an individual




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[WISPA] Tell Google not to destroy the Internet

2010-08-05 Thread Patrick Leary
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/google-verizon-deal-the-e_b_67
1617.html

They are closing a deal with Verizon on Monday that will essentially
blackmail content providers. Want your content to get through faster?
Pay us. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Maybe ISPs around the
world should block Google entirely unless they pay you then.

Patrick
As an individual



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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Patrick Leary
You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that.
Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates
against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the
only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the
re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds
exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services
second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play.  


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM
To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most
compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever

Fred,
That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby
to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that
delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to
meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there
are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go
through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves
with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose
their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable.



Brian

-Original Message-
From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling
reason to document and map your network coverage ever

At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote:
Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions.

As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e.,
cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing.

The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to
hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors.



Brian


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling
reason
to document and map your network coverage ever

I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I
cant even try to figure it out.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
  Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
list.
I
  took particular note to the following statement:
 
 
 
  - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where
at
  least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
competitive
  provider that does not receive support
 
 
 
  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75%
of a
  current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be
eligibility
to
  receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have
access
to
  many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage
and
  Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be
a
huge
  factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I
cannot
  see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than
this.
  Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from
coming
in
to
  your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
  currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as
a
  delivery method to the forefront because there are then no
artificial
  revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service.
We
all
  know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low
density
  markets.
 
 
 
  There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First
and
  foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required.
Next
one
  should map their network with an accurate service area where you
would
  confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including
paying
me
  to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be
participating
in
  your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those
state
maps
  will become one of the major verification sources to establish the
75%
  coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another
verification
  source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for
someone
  to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas.
 
 
 
  One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers
will
be
  required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if
WISP's
  were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less of
the
US
  is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through USF
to
get
it
  there will be much less.
 
  Brian

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason todocument and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-28 Thread Patrick Leary
I agree Brian that this is potentially a huge positive for WISPs.
People, if you have not declared yourself officially, you are shooting
yourself in the foot (maybe the head). File your Form 477.
 
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
 



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:37 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason
todocument and map your network coverage ever
Importance: High



Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
list. I took particular note to the following statement:

 

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at
least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
competitive provider that does not receive support

 

Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a
current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility
to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have
access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services.
Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This
would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural
markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your
networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized
competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode
funding  for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This
would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there
are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver
last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per
household passed in low density markets.

 

There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next
one should map their network with an accurate service area where you
would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including
paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be
participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect
that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources
to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become
another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would
be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage
in their areas.

 

One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will
be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though is that if
WISP's were accurately mapped and documented it would show so much less
of the US is unserved by broadband and thus the required funding through
USF to get it there will be much less.



Brian

--

 

Last week, Reps. Boucher (D-VA) and Terry (R-NE) introduced legislation
that would reform the Universal Service Fund.  The Press Release,
Overview, Section by Section summary and text of the bill are available
at this link:

http://www.boucher.house.gov/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1
579Itemid=122

 

I have not read these documents, but plan to do so soon.  A few
highlights that the trade press has noted:

- would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where
at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
competitive provider that does not receive support

- FCC would create cost model that includes broadband in figuring
support models

- competitive bidding among wireless carriers for USF support

- no more than two wireless CETCs could get support in the same area

- carriers would have 5 years to provide broadband throughout their
service areas, or would lose support

- all broadband providers would pay into USF to expand contribution
base

- FCC to decide appropriate speed for broadband 

 

Rep. Boucher has said that the bill is on his front burner and that he
wants to get the legislation passed this Fall.  Please feel free to
comment on-list AFTER you've reviewed the documents so that you can
promote education of the WISPA membership and help shape whatever
position WISPA may wish to take as the bill works its way through
Congress.  Thanks.  

 

Stephen E. Coran

Rini Coran, PC

1140 19th Street, NW, Suite 600 

Washington, D.C. 20036

202.463.4310 - voice

202.669.3288 - cell

202.296.2014 - fax

sco...@rinicoran.com mailto:sco...@rinicoran.com  - e-mail

www.rinicoran.com http://www.rinicoran.com/ 

www.telecommunicationslaw.com http://www.telecommunicationslaw.com/ 

 




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[WISPA] Note of support for the WISPA Regional Meeting

2010-07-06 Thread Patrick Leary
I just wanted to drop a note to the WISPA board and to members after
reviewing the agenda in detail for the first time. Having done so, I
believe this to be the best line up of speakers that has ever been
assembled specifically for a WISP event. It is unusual these days to
attract a large group of true and interesting luminaries, which in this
case include Dr. Julie (Julius) Knapp, FCC OET Chief (and long time
intensive WISP supporter); Michael Calabrese, the heart and soul of the
New America Foundation and a true spectrum political and social voice;
Doug Karl (those who don't know the histroy of the  two Dougs will be
in for a treat to meet Doug one); and the hard core and stubborn and
very interesting wireless advocate Dewayne Hendricks.

Find a way to get to this meeting people. It will be the best and we all
need good news and to re-double our sense of community in 2010.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
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ple...@apertonet.com
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Re: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

2010-07-01 Thread Patrick Leary
Depends on the bet you are making. WiMAX as a personal broadband
mobility technology in name and ideal is not going to happen. That was
made conclusive some time ago. There will be no device ecosystem, etc.
However, LTE as a technology is very much WiMAX-like, even using many of
the same components. So WiMAX as a TECHNOLOGY very much endurs. 

But the real and ultimate dream of future WiMAX was not about
technology, but rather a mobile environment that was an open networks
where consumers chose their devices, applications could be developed
without negotiating with carriers, etc. -- sort of a network nirvana
from a user standpoint. Problem is, the carriers don't want that and
there is no new disruptive carrier to push the market in that direction
(that dream died with the last 700 MHz auction). They make money off the
applications on their networks, they select the devices on their
networks (and the contracts you have to sign to use them). 

All that said, WiMAX as a fixed technology, with some light nomadicity,
has a long life. It is an excellent technology for that need, delivering
real QoS in multipoint wireless for the first time. Maybe that is all as
it should be since WiMAX was first designed as a fixed technology. It
was not the goal of WISPs or most operators for WiMAX vendors to try for
the mobile path...it was the goal largely of Intel who was looking to
create a multibillion dollar market it would control that would displace
the legacy telecom vendors or force them to adopt the technology. So it
was a case of technology makers trying to invent a market where the
customer demand did not natively exist. And powerful forces were aligned
against the effort from the start. So it was a longshot from the start
and these two factors, in my view, ultimately doomed it as a mobile
concept.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 6:18 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] yet another WiMAX vs LTE article

I'm still getting my feet wet with the whole 4G thing and found this
interesting

http://www.maravedis-bwa.com/Issues/5.29/Readmore3.html

(Sorry if it's old news to many...)

Almost everyone I know is betting (and betting big!) on LTE.  The only
ones I know holding out on WiMAX 2 are niche markets in the federal
space or ISPs in Africa.




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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

2010-06-30 Thread Patrick Leary
I can give you a reasonable answer here Shane. With the use of a 2nd
order diversity WiMAX product in 3.65 GHz, you should be able to expect
slightly better range than 900 MHz, though that comes at a price much
different than legacy proprietary systems in traditional UL bands.
Without diversity (and some of our gear is included in this), the range
will not be as good, though you can expect much higher data rates (up to
almost 20 mbps net) and better than imagined QoS. Prices for
non-diversity gear approach typical UL systems and can be less expensive
in some cases (especially CPE).

In the end, 3.65 GHz at this point still has a very low noise floor so
all systems benefit from that. The efficiency of WiMAX 3.65 GHz systems
mean you can expect very good throughput -- far higher than you wil ever
get out of 900 MHz -- coupled with strong QoS. Should 3.65 GHz ever
become heavily populated (I tend to be doubtful that will happen for
years), then all gear will suffer less range with the higher noise
floor.

My general recommendation for people using 900 MHz who want to try 3.65
GHz (and in particular WiMAX versions of such) is to maintain the 900
MHz for best effort customers, while migrating commercial and/or higher
needs/desires customers to 3.65 GHz if the range allows. Also use the
WiMAX to add commercial customers you could not attract before with the
best effort. Slow speed 900 connections.

Take some time to familiarize yourself with WiMAX features, slowly and
methodically, as this trips up many making the transition or adding
WiMAX. Pay careful attention to EMSs if applicable. Swallow any strange
twists of pride that some may have and get yourself trained on the
system you plan to use (these are not synonymous in management to most
products you have used before). Ignorance of the system can (and likely
will) cost you time, money, frustration and maybe a customer or two
until you get up to speed.

Enjoy and good luck.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz


I've had an increasing number of our customers asking almost on a daily
bases what I am hearing about  3.65 GHz equipment.
How does it compare to the 900 MHz? What is the NLOS capabilities of
3.65?
To date our company has only tested two manufactures of 3.65 equipment
and didn't have 900 MHz on the tower to compare results with.

I would like to hear from all of you what your test results have been.  
How does 3.65 GHz directly compare to 900 MHz for distance and NLOS?
Would also like to know what radio manufactures are working best for
you.


Thanks in advance for your input.

Shane MacDonald
KP Performance Antennas
Sales Manager
sh...@kpperformance.ca
www.kpperformance.ca
Direct line 780-702-9977
Fax 780-460-2786







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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

2010-06-30 Thread Patrick Leary
MIMO, 2x version.  


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

Patrick, could you de-jargonize what 'second order diversity' means?



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From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:39 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz

 I can give you a reasonable answer here Shane. With the use of a 2nd 
 order diversity WiMAX product in 3.65 GHz, you should be able to 
 expect slightly better range than 900 MHz, though that comes at a 
 price much different than legacy proprietary systems in traditional UL
bands.
 Without diversity (and some of our gear is included in this), the 
 range will not be as good, though you can expect much higher data 
 rates (up to almost 20 mbps net) and better than imagined QoS. Prices 
 for non-diversity gear approach typical UL systems and can be less 
 expensive in some cases (especially CPE).

 In the end, 3.65 GHz at this point still has a very low noise floor so

 all systems benefit from that. The efficiency of WiMAX 3.65 GHz 
 systems mean you can expect very good throughput -- far higher than 
 you wil ever get out of 900 MHz -- coupled with strong QoS. Should 
 3.65 GHz ever become heavily populated (I tend to be doubtful that 
 will happen for years), then all gear will suffer less range with the 
 higher noise floor.

 My general recommendation for people using 900 MHz who want to try 
 3.65 GHz (and in particular WiMAX versions of such) is to maintain the

 900 MHz for best effort customers, while migrating commercial and/or 
 higher needs/desires customers to 3.65 GHz if the range allows. Also 
 use the WiMAX to add commercial customers you could not attract before

 with the best effort. Slow speed 900 connections.

 Take some time to familiarize yourself with WiMAX features, slowly and

 methodically, as this trips up many making the transition or adding 
 WiMAX. Pay careful attention to EMSs if applicable. Swallow any 
 strange twists of pride that some may have and get yourself trained on

 the system you plan to use (these are not synonymous in management to 
 most products you have used before). Ignorance of the system can (and 
 likely
 will) cost you time, money, frustration and maybe a customer or two 
 until you get up to speed.

 Enjoy and good luck.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
 Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz VS 3.65GHz


 I've had an increasing number of our customers asking almost on a 
 daily bases what I am hearing about  3.65 GHz equipment.
 How does it compare to the 900 MHz? What is the NLOS capabilities of 
 3.65?
 To date our company has only tested two manufactures of 3.65 equipment

 and didn't have 900 MHz on the tower to compare results with.

 I would like to hear from all of you what your test results have been.
 How does 3.65 GHz directly compare to 900 MHz for distance and NLOS?
 Would also like to know what radio manufactures are working best for 
 you.


 Thanks in advance for your input.

 Shane MacDonald
 KP Performance Antennas
 Sales Manager
 sh...@kpperformance.ca
 www.kpperformance.ca
 Direct line 780-702-9977
 Fax 780-460-2786





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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

2010-05-26 Thread Patrick Leary
...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of
Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in
hives...   


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free
Public WiFi ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the Free Public WiFi SSID
still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

2010-05-26 Thread Patrick Leary
That's hilarious. Genius is found in simplicity. 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:10 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of Virus.  The
attempts to connect have dropped considerably.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of
Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in
hives...   


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free
Public WiFi ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the Free Public WiFi SSID
still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

2010-03-31 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, the cat is out of the bag. We are very excited about this... 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Drew Lentz
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice 
products for WISPs.

http://bit.ly/bX4HTc

Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo 
strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution

PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- 
BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT 
/investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier 
manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced 
today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, 
Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger 
agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be 
merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving 
and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo.

The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a 
complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE 
products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US$8.3 million. 
This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M.

Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete 
solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying 
product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim 
Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer 
base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's 
announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has 
never looked better.

The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service 
providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing 
Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband 
wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market.

Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined 
technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide.

Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product 
breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and 
channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill 
Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto 
Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding 
our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners.

This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in 
Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global (TRG), 
an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure provider the 
Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint development agreement with Tranzeo, 
this will give us access to additional advanced wireless technologies which we 
will incorporate into our broadband solutions.

Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of 
common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the required 
closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares to the stockholders of 
Aperto based on a US$5 million base consideration amount, as adjusted for 
liabilities and cash of Aperto at closing. Subject to the satisfaction of 
certain additional earn-out conditions, Tranzeo may issue additional common 
shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on revenues attributable to certain 
products of Aperto that are sold by Tranzeo during a one-year earn-out period 
following the date of closing of the merger. These earn-out shares would be 
issued within 120 days of the expiry of the earn-out period. All share 
issuances will be based on the volume weighted average trading price of 
Tranzeo's common shares for the five trading days prior to this announcement of 
the Merger Agreement.

The merger is anticipated to be completed in mid-April 2010. Completion of the 
merger will be subject to customary closing conditions, including the approval 
of the proposed merger by the Toronto Stock Exchange and by the stockholders of 
Aperto. Tranzeo stockholder approval is not required.
Tranzeo has agreed to appoint a representative of Aperto to its board of 
directors on closing.

The common shares proposed to be issued have not been registered under the 
Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or any state securities laws, and may not 
be offered or sold in the United States without registration or an applicable 
exemption from applicable registration requirements in the US

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

2010-03-31 Thread Patrick Leary
The past few years have been challenging for all Gino, especially for companies 
that leverage private investment. As you may know, we have had a working 
relationship with Tranzeo for some time; they manufacture our 3.65 GHz CPE 
using our code. Over time this relationship has deepened. I have been through 
many acquisitions back from the Alvarion days and have seen the market go 
through many. This one makes more sense than most, much more sense. We have no 
real overlap in terms of products and little technical overlap. Tranzeo is a 
respected public company and has state-of-the art production capabilities here 
in North America. It has an established WISP reputation for value. We have 
excellent core technology, engineering and field teams. We have about 2 dozen 
patents on QoS and link quality and our technology was central to creation of 
the 802.16 standard in the first place (long before there was a WiMAX).

It just makes a lot of sense and the market will see that.

Plus, the market has been a bit staid recently...it needed something to shake 
things up a bit.

And finally, it maybe after all these years allows my old WISP friend Matt 
Larson to become a customer!


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

Wow

Was Aperto in financial trouble?

This is like YDI buying Proxim

Or Ubiquity buying Motorola

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote:

 Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some 
 nice products for WISPs.

 http://bit.ly/bX4HTc

 Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo 
 strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution

 PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX)
 --
 BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT 
 /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a 
 premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication 
 systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger 
 agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto 
 shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the 
 satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly 
 incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and 
 continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo.

 The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes 
 a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, 
 WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase 
 orders is US
 $8.3
 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M.

 Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading 
 complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators 
 while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet 
 service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. 
 With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new 
 customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will 
 start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never 
 looked better.

 The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service 
 providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and 
 Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish 
 on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the 
 market.

 Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the 
 combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able 
 to provide.

 Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional 
 product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support 
 team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a 
 global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide 
 Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving 
 our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new 
 solutions to our channel partners.

 This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services 
 in Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset 
 Global (TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication 
 infrastructure provider the Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint 
 development agreement with Tranzeo, this will give us access to 
 additional advanced wireless technologies which we will incorporate 
 into our broadband solutions.

 Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through 
 issuances of common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon 
 satisfaction of the required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue 
 common shares

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

2010-03-31 Thread Patrick Leary
Cheers Stu. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto


Well he isn't the only WISP friend that uses Tranzeo, come on now. Just waiting 
for the Motorola people to start slamming Aperto now.

-- Original Message --
From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:14:17 -0700

The past few years have been challenging for all Gino, especially for 
companies that leverage private investment. As you may know, we have had a 
working relationship with Tranzeo for some time; they manufacture our 3.65 GHz 
CPE using our code. Over time this relationship has deepened. I have been 
through many acquisitions back from the Alvarion days and have seen the market 
go through many. This one makes more sense than most, much more sense. We have 
no real overlap in terms of products and little technical overlap. Tranzeo is 
a respected public company and has state-of-the art production capabilities 
here in North America. It has an established WISP reputation for value. We 
have excellent core technology, engineering and field teams. We have about 2 
dozen patents on QoS and link quality and our technology was central to 
creation of the 802.16 standard in the first place (long before there was a 
WiMAX).

It just makes a lot of sense and the market will see that.

Plus, the market has been a bit staid recently...it needed something to shake 
things up a bit.

And finally, it maybe after all these years allows my old WISP friend Matt 
Larson to become a customer!


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto

Wow

Was Aperto in financial trouble?

This is like YDI buying Proxim

Or Ubiquity buying Motorola

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote:

 Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some 
 nice products for WISPs.

 http://bit.ly/bX4HTc

 Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo 
 strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution

 PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX)
 --
 BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT 
 /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca  1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a 
 premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication 
 systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger 
 agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto 
 shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the 
 satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a 
 newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and 
 continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo.

 The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes 
 a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, 
 WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase 
 orders is US
 $8.3
 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M.

 Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market 
 leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications 
 operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing 
 wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of 
 Tranzeo.
 With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new 
 customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will 
 start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never 
 looked better.

 The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless 
 service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board 
 and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be 
 bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position 
 in the market.

 Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the 
 combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able 
 to provide.

 Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional 
 product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, 
 support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers 
 on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of 
 Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward 
 to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing 
 new solutions to our channel partners.

 This is very good news

Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL

2010-03-25 Thread Patrick Leary
Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with 
$15 DSL

We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now.  
We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the 
payback on the backend.  The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail 
store to sign up for it and to pay the bill.  No online or phone payments.  
Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they 
have to see us anyway.  We still have over 200 dial up customers and every 
month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with 
$15 DSL

I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised 
prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a 
relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features  
benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all 
due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly 
service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, 
loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I 
dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any 
competition.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com 
wrote:
 A very well known example..

 Dell.

 Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops.  Anyone here ever end up 
 with one at the advertised price?  Probably not many.

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to 
 compete with $15 DSL

 We start at 29 bucks.  The way I think, you always need the bait to
bring
 them in, such as a low price.  It's all sales after that.  Bump up to 
 a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan...  etc.  On the 
 face
of
 it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to 
 upgrade or add on something.  My favorite is a customer who calls 
 about
the
 $29.00 plan but ends up asking Do you have anything faster?  (Big 
 Smile)

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to 
 compete with $15 DSL

 But what is your ARPU?

 On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Hi,

 I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable...
 have been for over 12 years now... :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:
 Bob,

 We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any 
 problems getting customers,  In fact, we're growing faster than we 
 ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating 
 than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which 
 is the reason I responded to Jayson's post:

 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps.  $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. 
 We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed

 I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever 
 done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if  
 where I'm going wrong.
 -RickG

 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:

 Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI.  We pay the salesperson a
commission
 and
 the installer is paid by the job.  Thus, the install fee and first
month
 service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna.  
 After
 that,
 the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer 
 turns
 out
 to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for
service
 calls and computer repairs.

 Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn't mean you can't
have
 add
 on services, higher tiers or other profit areas.

 But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before
  some
 people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what.  Let em'.
  You
 deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating 
 your market.  The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to 
 try to join
 in
 their game.  It only associates their low quality standards with you

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Don't hold your breath for 802.16m!  


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 anyone know the benefits of WiMax?

 I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there 
 are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than 
 simple polling or tdma approaches.

After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more with
Butch. The technology is incredibly good for outdoor networks.
But besides better pricing (CPE, BS, spectrum), one thing I missed from
current WiMAX technology was large channel size. Fixed WiMAX is usually
available with 3.5 or 7 MHz channels; mobile WiMAX with 5 or 10 MHz
channels. Wi-Fi already had non-standard 40 MHz with Turbo A/G and now
has 40 MHz standard with 802.11n. With a small channel, even a high
goodput/Hz couldn't go very far coping with increasing demands and we
ended up installing unlicensed spectrum radios.

My current mindset is that WiMAX is good for every application besides
Internet access for computers. Surveillance, telephony and Internet
access for mobile devices (including public safety and first
responders) are all applications that WiMAX would edge out any other
technology available on the market, as of Q1CY2010.

4G WiMAX (802.16m) might change that, I don't know. Will wait and see.


Rubens




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
No. We use 802.16d, which is optimized for fixed wireless, and 802.16d
does not support MIMO. MIMO would be nice, but we do not think it is
worth the extra cost in the WiMAX system. As it is we get excellent
range. Last week one of our engineers was in a major CA city with a
customer and pulled 16 mbps stable over 13 km in a 7 MHz channel. The
capacity (link permitting) is up to 20 mbps and I have seen it at those
ranges.  

Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks 
 are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP 
 business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto 
 Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 
 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) PM320

 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective immediately, 
 the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 17 dbi 
 integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and 3.65 
 GHz with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs 
 and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same
price.

Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base station
costs are less or similar and we are getting much better uplink speed
according to what I have seen so far from reports about the Moto 320 so
far. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

I think the new motorola is mimo.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks 
 are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP 
 business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto 
 Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5

 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) 
 PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective 
 immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and 
 17 dbi integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
 3.65 GHz
 with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and 
 no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same 
 price.

 Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

 Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but
again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to
be especially true in more rural deployments. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you support PPPoE in the SM?  Heard that MIMO helps tree 
 penetration.

 Matt


 Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base 
 station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better 
 uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about 
 the Moto 320 so far.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]

 On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 I think the new motorola is mimo.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks

 are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP 
 business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto 
 Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and

 5

 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) 
 PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective 
 immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and
 17 dbi integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
 3.65 GHz
 with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and

 no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same 
 price.

 Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

 Matt


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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, we support PPPoE. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

Do you support PPPoE in the SM?  Heard that MIMO helps tree penetration.

Matt


 Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base 
 station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better 
 uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about 
 the Moto 320 so far.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 I think the new motorola is mimo.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks 
 are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP 
 business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto 
 Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 
 5

 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) 
 PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective 
 immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band and
 17 dbi integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
 3.65 GHz
 with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs and 
 no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same 
 price.

 Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

 Matt




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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
We do support PPPoE Michael. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

They don't support PPPoE, at least not in anything but the indoor unit
which isn't available for 3.65 or 802.16D.

I didn't think Aperto's gear which is 802.16d supports MIMO either,
that's mostly an 802.16e spec unless they've come up with something
proprietary.

That's one of the reason's I'm down on Wimax, the radios are bare bones
bridges for the most part, for the cost they are asking you think they
could implement some niceties for fixed people, such as a robust
management solution (not DHCP).

Motorola is 802.16e and MIMO, as is Alvarion, WiNetworks and Airspan.

Regards
Michael Baird
 Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

   
 Do you support PPPoE in the SM?  Heard that MIMO helps tree 
 penetration.

 Matt


 
 Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base 
 station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better 
 uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about

 the Moto 320 so far.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 I think the new motorola is mimo.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

   
 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto 
 Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into

 the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So

 Aperto Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 
 and 5
   
 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) 
 PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective 
 immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band 
 and
 17 dbi integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
 3.65 GHz
 with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs 
 and no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, 
 same price.
   
 Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

 Matt
 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that.  More
complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen.


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From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but
 again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this
to
 be especially true in more rural deployments.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you support PPPoE in the SM?  Heard that MIMO helps tree
 penetration.

 Matt


 Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base
 station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better
 uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports about
 the Moto 320 so far.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org]

 On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
 Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

 I think the new motorola is mimo.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

 We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto
Networks

 are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP
 business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto
 Networks -- the
 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65
and

 5

 GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE)
 PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective
 immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band
and
 17 dbi integrated
 (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
 3.65 GHz
 with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs
and

 no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, same
 price.

 Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?

 Matt


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