Re: [WISPA] DC UPS (and Solar?) Setup.

2016-07-14 Thread Paul Hendry
Nice. How customisable is the charge/discharge side of this unit? Would 
be interested to see if they can be used with LiFePO4 cells. Also, 
roughly how much are these units?


Many thanks,

Paul.

On 15/07/2016 12:33, Gino Villarini wrote:

Just do use this and be done with all:

http://www.alpha.com/index.php/products-mobile/cable-tv-broadband-products/
item/2448vdc-cordex-psu-2

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Scott" <wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of dsc...@onlinenw.com> 
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>Hi,
>
>So historically we've been a mostly AC setup, but I'm trying to figure
>out a DC setup for some of our smaller sites, and hopefully a solar
>setup as well. I'm new to all of this though so I'm trying to see if
>anyone has any written guides or part lists. Basic goal is to power an
>airfiber or equivalent and A few Canopy or Ubnt APs.
>
>Here's what I've been looking at so far:
>
>48v DC power supply
>Traco TSP-BCMU360
>Packetflux Site monitor 2 base
>Packetflux SiteMonitor 6 Channel Switch Closure Input
>Neotonix DC switch
>
>This seems to work okay, the TSP-BCMU360 charges and monitors the
>battery and the Packetflux Sitemonitor provides a network connection to
>monitor the status.
>
>Issues so far:
>
>I'm running the site monitor off the BCMU, but this means that it's
>input power is 48v, I want to monitor the voltage of the battery, but
>that's just 12v and I don't think I can have different voltages plugged
>into the two inputs to the site monitor. Another option would be to have
>the site monitor powered off the batteries directly, but that seems 
bad...

>
>Is the packetflux stuff the best solution for this, or is there another
>web enabling option? Seem pretty good so far, but I'm not even sure what
>the other options are.
>
>The other issue is I have no idea what I should be using for
>breaker/fuses for the equipment. A suggested list of DIN mountable stuff
>I should have would be super useful if someone has it on hand. Also who
>to order this stuff from.
>
>The other thing I would like to try is some kind of solar setup. Again
>it need to be monitored remotely. Power draw would be as low as I could
>manage. This is Oregon, so not lots of snow, but there are a lot of
>cloudy days. Packetflux makes several items that integrate with Morning
>Star controllers. It that a good way to go? Something like a TS-MPPT-30?
>
>Batteries are another thing. I'm also very curious if Lithium ion
>batteries are feasible yet. This would need a different charger but it
>would save a TON of space and maybe even be cost effective given the
>smaller enclosure size that would be possible.
>
>Then there is the issue of what solar panels to buy.
>
>If anyone has any thoughts, comments, links, documents, etc. I'd really
>appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>Duncan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb

2014-11-12 Thread Paul Hendry
Nah, most skiers don't look where they are going anyway (ducking!)


On 13/11/2014 17:45, Jay Weekley wrote:
 Surely there are skiers that need vision correction.

 Brian Wilson wrote:
 Goggles will go right over the top of your glasses.

 Finally I can make a cogent response on here based on my experiences.
 As a bicyclist.

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  What if you wear glasses?


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  Get some ski goggles.  Keep your eyes warm and your body won’t
  be so cold.  Proven scientific fact.

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  Amazing how much faster I climb when it's cold outside!

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Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Paul Hendry

Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet?

On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote:
I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines...  somewhere near 
New Jersey. It's been a while.




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Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some 
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Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL

2014-11-06 Thread Paul Hendry
Lol. Spoken like someone that doesn't really know much about the 
subject. I'm not asking if it's possible (which it is), I'm asking if 
anyone is using them.


On 07/11/2014 10:45, Philip Dorr wrote:


Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would 
kill the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire.


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Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet?

On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote:

I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere
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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik - bridge - van - eoip questions

2014-07-01 Thread Paul Hendry
Why not just have a separate management vlan or just stick a /30 address 
on the bridge with the other end on the vlan interface at your NOC/PoP?

Cheers,

P.

On 02/07/2014 09:25, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 So, new question.

 Special project.

 cpe Router has a management ip
 cpe Router has a separate vlan piped to it as well

 I had lan - bridged - vlan, with vlan assigned to wan interface. This
 gave me a layer2 tunnel. My problem here, is that I don't have much real
 visibility or testing capability over the separate vlan.

 So I'd like to create an EOIP tunnel between the devices over the
 separate vlan, but I'm running into issues figuring out what goes where.

 So you've got a lan interface, wan interface, vlan that sits on the wan,
 eoip tunnel, and a bridge or two, and another ip that goes on the vlan
 or eoip tunnel for them to communicate over the vlan.

 Soo:

 Create vlan
 assign vlan to wan interface
 create eoip tunnel
 assign ip address to vlan interface ?
 bridge ( lan, vlan, eoip tunnel) ?




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Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Hendry
We also had issues with the routing package on v5.26. Mikrotik didn't want to 
know as we weren't running the latest release. Pointed out v5.26 was the 
latest to which they said no, v6.7 is. V5 is unsupported even though it's 
still available on the website for download so bottom line, unless you are 
willing to beta test routerOS on your production network, you have no support. 
Nice.
Many thanks,

Paul.

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From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it
To: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com, WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] [Spam] Re:  Mikrotik on Multi-core
Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 10:21

Hi Brett

 Hi Paolo,

 It was pretty bad in early releases of 6, so I've stayed far from it.

me too... :(

(hey 6.x is still beta not stable)

 I've recently found a serious issue with 5.26 where the default route
 from BGP occasionally fails to be redistributed into OSPF, obviously
 causing issues for the rest of the network.

hum... I am running 5.26 on powerpc (OSPF + BGP) and I never had this 
issue but maybe it's because I have a different configuration

Just an idea: for that specific link try to use ONLY BGP (i.e. eBGP + 
iBGP) so that you have the full route on the second layer routers and 
you can use whatever you want there

the only issue that I see is: and if the poisoning is arriving from te 
OSPF core?

Again I suggest you to use iBGP it will help a lot

 Especially when it happens
 on all of our edge routers at the same time.

it's often the poisoning issue of OSPF :(

 The solution from Mikrotik
 Support was to use 6.2 or greater.


well I was using 6.x on my border and after some time the interfaces 
were disappearing, and doing strange things. I had to reboot and I do 
not like to reboot the edge...

 I've been testing 6.7 on a RB450G and so far it's been working without
 issues. I haven't tested BGP yet.

 Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations for/against using 6.7 on a
 MIPSBE RouterBoard (not Power PC) for BGP with a default route, and
 running OSPF? Nothing fancy, no filtering, etc. Any known stability
 issues with this basic configuration on 6.7?


well I am still away from 6.x for its stability issues. On CCR 6.7 has 
some flapping issues with the interfaces, people report to turn on the 
LCD display to have better stability etc.
So, maybe it's because CCR is a new product, but what I see is that 6.x 
is still out of control (well... the routeros in general is out of control)

Another option: you could run your edge on openbsd, it works great (I 
used it for years). Not sure about the performances, I mean 1Gb traffic




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Re: [WISPA] MPLS / Mikrotik Assistance Needed

2013-11-11 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi Scott,

What in particular are you looking to achieve?

Many thanks,

Paul.

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Subject: [WISPA] MPLS / Mikrotik  Assistance Needed
Date: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 15:45
Good morning.
We are in need of anyone who has deployed MPLS  across a WISP network of decent 
size to help us resolve a few issues we are having with our MPLS 
implementation.  We have about 50 routers / towers involved, fairly meshed.

I love and appreciate free advice that can help.  I am willing to pay 
consultant(s) as well.  My only problem to date - I can't seem to entice anyone 
into helping us - paid or otherwise.  

If you know how to implement MPLS on Mikrotik routers or know someone who does, 
please contact me, we would really appreciate some assistance.

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[WISPA] Ceragon IP-10 Antenna Requirement

2013-08-17 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi all,

 Sorry for the generic email here. Lately we have been having some 
major issues dealing with Ceragon (several long stories) so have decided 
to proceed with an alternative vendor. We are in the process of 
replacing several IP-10 XPIC links but intend to re-use the equipment at 
the edge of the network in a none XPIC configuration. To facilitate this 
we just need additional dishes but Ceragon are saying we are currently 
looking at significant lead times. Does anyone know of a good reseller 
that stocks 13GHz or 18GHz dishes of any size that are compatible with 
the IP-10 RFU-C's?

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Hendry
First stage would be to check the basics. Can both ends of the VPLS tunnel ping 
each other? Are all interfaces between end points exchanging LDP? Assuming this 
is all good I suspect an MTU issue so have you got any RB450G, RB493G, older 
routerboards, etc. in the path?

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To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 21:03
I have rolled out MPLS on about 4 hops on my network with anticipation of 
expanding that to all towers once the concept proves itself in this small 
section on the network.
I'm having issue getting traffic to pass through VPLS tunnel in real life.  In 
the lab it works, when we played with it in the past it works.  I think we are 
overlooking something - hard to say because we do not have much real world 
experience dealing with MPLS  anomalies.  If anyone has rolled out MPLS on top 
of an OSPF routed network of reasonable size I'd love to pick your brain on a 
few things...  let me know, you can hit me back on list or off.  Appreciate it.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo

2013-07-13 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi Scott,

If you perform a ping between your pe routers (mikrotik devices prior to 
hand-off to customer), what is the maximum size packet you can send 
successfully, with df bit set?

P.

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From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com, Scott Carullo 
sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 22:17
Scenario - connected in this order starting at remote site working towards HQ: 
(link type indented between routers)
Customer Windows workstationSwitch of some sortCisco 28xx router with MTU set 
1470 (or close to that I don't remember exactly)-ethernet cable 100Mb FDX 
hard setRB951-2n-UBNT link to shared APx86 MT router-SAF Lumina BHx86 
MT router-UBNT AF BHx86 MT router-ethernet cable 100Mb FDX hard 
setCisco L3 routing switch (don't remember model)HQ Windows server
A question about MTU...I have increased the MTU sizes on the equipment which 
allowed it.  I believe the Cisco routers are set to 1470 MTU or something close 
because packets are all that size when received by us.  Backhaul links should 
allow jumbo packets.  Our MT routers have L2 MTU set high - this is actually 
what the MPLS/VPLS packets use right?  I was under the impression that the 
ethernet interface MTU was just used for IP traffic which has fine connectivity.
I can test at the moment had to revert back to eoip tunnel to get it working 
again.  I would very much like to pay someone for their time assisting me 
setting this up though.  Need MPLS on top of our OSPF across the board and we 
have three edge routers that BGP peer with three upstream providers in three 
different cities.  The sooner I accomplish this the better and at this point 
I'm asking for help because I don't have the luxury of time.  This would be way 
better for someone to just look at my screen logged into router and check 
settings themselves...  Too many settings on too many devices to type :)
 Thanks

Scott Carullo

Technical Operations

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From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:24 PM
To: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo

First stage would be to check the basics. Can both ends of the VPLS tunnel ping 
each other? Are all interfaces between end points exchanging LDP? Assuming this 
is all good I suspect an MTU issue so have you got any RB450G, RB493G, older 
routerboards, etc. in the path?


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From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 21:03


I have rolled out MPLS on about 4 hops on my network with anticipation of 
expanding that to all towers once the concept proves itself in this small 
section on the network.
I'm having issue getting traffic to pass through VPLS tunnel in real life.  In 
the lab it works, when we played with it in the past it works.  I think we are 
overlooking something - hard to say because we do not have much real world 
experience dealing with MPLS  anomalies.  If anyone has rolled out MPLS on top 
of an OSPF routed network of reasonable size I'd love to pick your brain on a 
few things...  let me know, you can hit me back on list or off.  Appreciate it.

Scott Carullo
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik the dude

2012-11-23 Thread Paul Hendry
It's not a bug as SQLite is working as per design and only allows a 2GB 
DB size. It's more of a poor design choice from Mikrotik's point as they 
added a load of extra detailed monitoring to beta3 and then limited how 
much of it you could store. Hopefully the new version will have a 
different backend DB.


On 22/11/2012 17:07, Josh Luthman wrote:


I'm using ROS.  It is a known bug.

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On Nov 22, 2012 12:01 PM, Paul Hendry 
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beta3 backups fine for us running on a Win2003 server VM. Only
issue we have is when the back-end database gets to 2GB as that's
the limit on the SQLite DB Mikrotik chose to use.

On 22/11/2012 15:33, Josh Luthman wrote:


The beta3 crashes when you do a backup.  As long as you're quick
you can save it just in time.  Otherwise! Works great.

Supposed to be a new version around this time...

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On Nov 22, 2012 9:29 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com
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Over 1000 clients on it and works great.

On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:

Dear All

some years ago we installed the dude. It was a very
beta version and
it had the side effect to clear the settings into the router.

I was wondering if the never version of the dude is
stable and if you
are using it.

Thank you in advance for any feedback you will provide me

Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik the dude

2012-11-22 Thread Paul Hendry
beta3 backups fine for us running on a Win2003 server VM. Only issue we 
have is when the back-end database gets to 2GB as that's the limit on 
the SQLite DB Mikrotik chose to use.


On 22/11/2012 15:33, Josh Luthman wrote:


The beta3 crashes when you do a backup.  As long as you're quick you 
can save it just in time.  Otherwise! Works great.


Supposed to be a new version around this time...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 22, 2012 9:29 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com 
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Over 1000 clients on it and works great.

On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:

Dear All

some years ago we installed the dude. It was a very beta
version and
it had the side effect to clear the settings into the router.

I was wondering if the never version of the dude is stable and
if you
are using it.

Thank you in advance for any feedback you will provide me

Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios

2012-09-05 Thread Paul Hendry
Depends on your topology. If you are planning to use username/passwords 
with PPP then bandwidth limits can be done on the PPP concentrator. If 
they are just going to be routed then you will need to mark all traffic 
then use queue trees to limit the traffic. Trees are applied to outgoing 
traffic on an interface so customer download queue would be on the 
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Hi,

Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in 
the MT?


I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind 
of account they are paying for.


Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios

2012-09-05 Thread Paul Hendry
Problem with simple is that it isn't as flexible as queue tree for apply 
QoS for example. Really depends on what you want to achieve as to the 
best method.


On 05/09/2012 14:22, Scott Reed wrote:
If you are using MT as the CPE, you can just do simple queue on the 
CPE, both up and down get set on the wire interface.


On 9/5/2012 9:13 AM, Paul Hendry wrote:
Depends on your topology. If you are planning to use 
username/passwords with PPP then bandwidth limits can be done on the 
PPP concentrator. If they are just going to be routed then you will 
need to mark all traffic then use queue trees to limit the traffic. 
Trees are applied to outgoing traffic on an interface so customer 
download queue would be on the ethernet port of the CPE and upload 
would be on the wlan.


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Hi,

Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in 
the MT?


I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind 
of account they are paying for.


Thanks,

Eduardo

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Re: [WISPA] RB-411AH being really Weird

2010-12-14 Thread Paul Hendry
Do the ethernet ports show any errors? Do you use ferrites on the cat5 cables?

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Subject: [WISPA] RB-411AH being really Weird
From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Date: 14/12/2010 1:56 pm

Mikrotik Gurus please Read and give advice sorry for the length of this.

I have a tower that has been very weird for me The night before Thanksgiving we 
had a huge storm.  There was very little lightening but +2 of rain.  At 6:00 
am Thanksgiving day the whole tower crashed.  I have AC run to the top, a Allen 
Bradley power supply converts to dc and powers the 8 devices I have at the top 
all of them Mikrotik but one UBNT.  The Allen Bradley Power supply had died 
Completely.  I had a Climber replace the 12 Volt Allen Bradley with a 24 Volt 
since all the equipment could handle the 24 volts.  Everything came back up and 
life was good.  For 6 hours.  Then the 3- RB411AH /XR2 sectors just started 
rebooting over and over again.  Then they went off completely but everything 
else on the tower was fine.  I personally climbed the tower a day later and 
found that the 24V power supply was putting out 36 volts and the Over Voltage 
protection on the 411's were turning them off.  I replaced the Power Supply to 
a 12 volt turned up to 18Volt and immediately everyth
 ing was fine.  For 1 week.

All the sudden one morning I got pages saying 1 of the sectors was down again 
so I started watching it and It would be up for 3 min then reboot itself I 
checked Routing and Watchdog all were fine, just to be sure I turned watch dog 
off.  Then all the sudden It stayed up.  30 min later  sector 2 started going 
up and down.  After 15 min of that they all stabilized.  They have been up for 
8 days now.  This morning I woke up and had one of them completely down and one 
of the others have been going up and down.  I was sending a tech out to reset 
the tower when the Sector that had been down for 5 hours for some reason 
rebooted itself and has worked ever since and just now the 2nd sector 
stabilized as well.  

I am going to run new wires to the Sectors and replace all the 411s and xr2s.  
I am afraid this will not resolve the issue.  I have already replaced the POE's 
and APCs as well. All running ROS 4.11.  It has been terrible weather here so I 
am limping as best I can till it is safer for the climb.  Any other ideas.

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[WISPA] Filters Anyone?

2010-11-23 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi guys,

 

Can anyone recommend some good quality BPF’s for 5GHz?

 

Many thanks,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

2010-11-16 Thread Paul Hendry
Database issue seems to be since V4 beta as V3 had no database. There
was a thread and where some emails from Mikrotik but not much else (i.e.
no fix * )

 

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Sent: 16 November 2010 14:23
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Concur on this as well.  Have run it on W2K3 server and on WinXP and
have never had it lock up on those.  It’s my understanding though, and I
may be wrong on this, that the 2GB database limit has been introduced
with version 5, but again, I may be wrong on this.  There was a thread
on this a week or two ago. 

 

 

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Same here.  I figure everyone else must be using a different Dude than I
am.

 
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On 11/15/2010 11:03 PM, RickG wrote: 

Never, and I mean never, has Dude locked on my Win 2003 server.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

Dude makes it much easier for support staff to properly support the
network and provides all sorts of stats to prove issue to customers. We
do however have issues with Dude locking up on both WinXP and RouterOS
when the back-end database gets to 2GB. 

  

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Had trouble with it locking up on RouterOS, but that was a couple of
versions ago.  

  

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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 PM
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I hated it on both - RouterOS works for me.

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One quick thing, and I don't have experience with Nagios, but I know
trying
to get Dude to run on Linux for me was a nightmare.  We scrapped that
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I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free
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I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to
hear pros  cons of either.

What did you switch from/to, and why?

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Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

2010-11-15 Thread Paul Hendry
Dude makes it much easier for support staff to properly support the
network and provides all sorts of stats to prove issue to customers. We
do however have issues with Dude locking up on both WinXP and RouterOS
when the back-end database gets to 2GB.

 

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From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] 
Sent: 15 November 2010 18:40
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

 

Had trouble with it locking up on RouterOS, but that was a couple of
versions ago.  

 

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude

 

I hated it on both - RouterOS works for me.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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trying
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I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-20 Thread Paul Hendry
Too early to tell. Dealing with one bug at a time ;)

 

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From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] 
Sent: 20 October 2010 15:41
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How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue?  I’ve been
hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the
dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having
a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly
graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate
historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3
will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either.


 

Many thanks, 

 

Paul. 

 

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Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation 

 

Yes I did.  I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite
instead of file storage.  Perhaps you can load up another box and
downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue.

Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades?  I found this was an issue
when I tried to back up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: 

Josh, 

  

Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude
beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is
SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude
stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this
bottleneck and is there a work around? 

  

Paul. 

  

  _  

 

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation 

  

I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS.

I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options
with Dude in terms of storage.  It simply stores it in files.

I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing
this number?  Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your
backup and see if the issue is seen there as well?  Some linux distro?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: 

Hi guys, 

  

I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but
can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB
limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? 

  

Many thanks, 

  

Paul. 

  

  _  

 

 

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation 

  

I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6
weeks. 



Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually
intervene.  I don't want to use my time on that.

Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
wrote: 

Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? 

  

Greg 

  

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

  

Every Tuesday for Windows.

How often for RouterOS?  I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: 

  

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 

This is what I was referring to.  I don't want to spend my nights
updating Windows. 

  

Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No
matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I
almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to
minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The
only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing
to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for
instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few
minutes during the day won't even be noticed. 

  

David Smith

[WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi all,

 

We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to
monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems
that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run.
File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view.
Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work
arounds?

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul Hendry

Technical Director

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,

Woodside,

Thornwood,

Epping,

Essex

CM16 6LJ

 

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Mob: 0783 492 1803

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
The reason we used it on WinXP was so it could link easily with a mobile
to forward SMS alerts.

 

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From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 14:28
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

What features?  It's the exact same application.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com
wrote:

I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t
remember what they were.   I don’t think it was performance – had more
to do with features available or something like that.  I know I moved
off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

Use RouterOS?

On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to
 monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems
 that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run.
 File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of
view.
 Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work
 arounds?
 
 
 
 Many thanks,
 
 
 
 Paul Hendry
 
 Technical Director
 
 
 
 Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd
 
 Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,
 
 Woodside,
 
 Thornwood,
 
 Epping,
 
 Essex
 
 CM16 6LJ
 
 
 
 Tel: 0845 004 0404
 
 Mob: 0783 492 1803
 
 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi guys,

 

I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but
can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB
limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around?

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul.

 

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From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6
weeks.

Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually
intervene.  I don't want to use my time on that.

Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
wrote:

Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no?

 

Greg

 

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:





Every Tuesday for Windows.

How often for RouterOS?  I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:

 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

This is what I was referring to.  I don't want to spend my nights
updating Windows.

 

Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No
matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I
almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to
minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The
only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing
to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for
instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few
minutes during the day won't even be noticed.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
Josh,

 

Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude
beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is
SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude
stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this
bottleneck and is there a work around?

 

Paul.

 

  _  

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS.

I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options
with Dude in terms of storage.  It simply stores it in files.

I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing
this number?  Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your
backup and see if the issue is seen there as well?  Some linux distro?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

Hi guys, 

  

I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but
can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB
limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? 

  

Many thanks, 

  

Paul. 

  

  _  

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

  

I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6
weeks.



Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually
intervene.  I don't want to use my time on that.

Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
wrote: 

Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? 

  

Greg 

  

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

 

Every Tuesday for Windows.

How often for RouterOS?  I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: 

  

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 

This is what I was referring to.  I don't want to spend my nights
updating Windows. 

  

Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No
matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I
almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to
minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The
only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing
to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for
instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few
minutes during the day won't even be noticed. 

  

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MVN.net 

  






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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the
dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having
a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly
graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate
historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3
will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either.

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul.

 

  _  

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

 

Yes I did.  I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite
instead of file storage.  Perhaps you can load up another box and
downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue.

Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades?  I found this was an issue
when I tried to back up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

Josh, 

  

Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude
beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is
SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude
stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this
bottleneck and is there a work around? 

  

Paul. 

  

  _  

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

  

I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS.

I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options
with Dude in terms of storage.  It simply stores it in files.

I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing
this number?  Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your
backup and see if the issue is seen there as well?  Some linux distro?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: 

Hi guys, 

  

I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but
can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB
limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? 

  

Many thanks, 

  

Paul. 

  

  _  

 

 

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation 

  

I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6
weeks. 



Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually
intervene.  I don't want to use my time on that.

Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
wrote: 

Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? 

  

Greg 

  

On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: 

  

Every Tuesday for Windows.

How often for RouterOS?  I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: 

  

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 

This is what I was referring to.  I don't want to spend my nights
updating Windows. 

  

Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No
matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I
almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to
minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The
only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing
to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for
instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few
minutes during the day won't even be noticed. 

  

David Smith 

MVN.net 

  






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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation

2010-10-19 Thread Paul Hendry
Already raised on the forum but as with many issues on there, no input from MT 
and hence the question here. Thought that if anyone had seen this before that 
they would be on WISPA somewhere ;) I'll bring up a VM tomorrow with RouterOS 
just to rule it out of the equation.

Many thanks,

Paul.

-original message-
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: 19/10/2010 9:10 pm

First thing I would do is put it on RouterOS and see if it's some sort of
Windows issue.  If the problem still exists on RouterOS, you have a lot more
ground to stand on when bringing it up to Mikrotik.  I would use the forum.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Paul Hendry 
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

  The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the
 dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a
 monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph
 that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical
 view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much
 of this functionality so isn’t really an option either.



 Many thanks,



 Paul.


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 *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
 *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:45

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation



 Yes I did.  I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite
 instead of file storage.  Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade
 to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue.

 Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades?  I found this was an issue when
 I tried to back up.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

   On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry 
 paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

 Josh,



 Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta
 versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite
 and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops
 working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and
 is there a work around?



 Paul.


  --




 *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
 *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18


 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation



 I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS.

 I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with
 Dude in terms of storage.  It simply stores it in files.

 I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this
 number?  Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see
 if the issue is seen there as well?  Some linux distro?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry 
 paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:

 Hi guys,



 I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can
 we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is
 OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around?



 Many thanks,



 Paul.


  --






 *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
 *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15


 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation



 I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6
 weeks.



 Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually
 intervene.  I don't want to use my time on that.

 Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

 Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no?



 Greg



 On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:



 Every Tuesday for Windows.

 How often for RouterOS?  I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:



 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 This is what I was referring to.  I don't want to spend my nights updating
 Windows.



 Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter
 what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost
 always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the
 number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to
 this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work

Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-20 Thread Paul Hendry
The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty
strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the
tower is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the
concrete is already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way
to go?

 

  _  

From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2010 23:38
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and
how deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I’m all for
saving a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for
the new tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!  

 

Bob-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
To: wireless
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

Hi all, 

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche
for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a
very good idea at all. 

 

Many thanks, 

  

Paul Hendry 

Technical Director 

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd 

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, 

Woodside, 

Thornwood, 

Epping, 

Essex 

CM16 6LJ 

  

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[WISPA] Tower Footings

2010-09-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi all,

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche
for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a
very good idea at all.

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul Hendry

Technical Director

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,

Woodside,

Thornwood,

Epping,

Essex

CM16 6LJ

 

Tel: 0845 004 0404

Mob: 0783 492 1803

Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com

Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor CPEs?

2010-07-08 Thread Paul Hendry
Ruckus

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] 
Sent: 08 July 2010 15:24
To: memb...@wispa.org
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor CPEs?

Ubiquiti products

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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continue that counts.
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 Hi all,

 We are looking for suggestions on high-powered indoor CPE's. We have been
 using Eniginus products, but want to explore other options. Any suggestions?

 thanks

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[WISPA] DragonWave Horizon

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Hendry
Hey guys,

 

Is anyone on-list a DragonWave reseller? Please hit me off-list.

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul Hendry

Technical Director

 

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Unit 50,

Weald Hall Commercial Centre,

North Weald,

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Re: [WISPA] Stupid MT tricks

2010-05-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Been there, done that. Did you check the NIC's against MT's hardware 
compatability list before ordering?

-original message-
Subject: [WISPA] Stupid MT tricks
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Date: 28/05/2010 5:09 pm

OK, yeah, I'm frustrated

I'm sitting here beside a nice shiny new Dell Power Edge T310 server. 
Nothing fancy.  Just a good processor, lots of memory, sata, gigE, etc. 
Just what a person would normally expect in a new server.

4.9 will load but doesn't see ANY of the ethernet ports.

5.x beta won't install from an ISO image.  It locks up something in the 
machine, even the numlock quits working.

How long has PCIE, sata etc. been in common use nowadays???

How can a high tech company with tools that do as many amazing things as MT 
NOT work with years old but newer technology?

It's a crying shame that Imagestream hasn't come up with a good gui and an 
interface as easy to use as MT's.

sigh

Anyone need a brand new $1,600 server with a 500gig sata drive and 8 gig DOM 
in it?

Oh yeah, here's the funniest part of this.  I ordered a SATA DOM for this 
box and they shipped it with an IDE power cord!  eye roll

I feel like Marvin the Martian.  Delays, Delays.
http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/delays.wav
http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/drawing.wav

Have a great weekend all!
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Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

2010-05-12 Thread Paul Hendry
Hey Matt,

I'm just about to start looking at Freeside for automating VoIP rating 
and billing. Have you had any joy with that? Only problem with Freeside I've 
seen so far is the lack of documentation which I'm guessing is on purpose to 
get you to pay for support.

Many thanks,

Paul.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com] 
Sent: 11 May 2010 21:07
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System.   The next upgrade of 
Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also 
supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT.

This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that 
have to be dealt with on occasion.

All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing, 
but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have 
access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some 
coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to 
Freeside.   We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth 
control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and 
integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late 
paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical 
support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode
 at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock!
 and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were
 advertised. :(

 I ended up not going with them.

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote:


 I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything.
 Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs.

 - Original Message -
 From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


 $1 For everything or just half the features?

 ryan

 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

  
 Something like $1/active account.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com  wrote:

 How much does powercode cost?


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
 On
  
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

 I use Powercode.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software


  
 I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets,
 appointments, and customer information.  Can anyone suggest a good
 software
 that can do this.  Id like to have web access.  I've looked at a few
 but
 have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of

 what
  
 others have used and like.  Thanks for any input.

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Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

2010-04-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Have you tested pseudobridge to achieve a similar affect without WDS?

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] 
Sent: 28 April 2010 01:41
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Yes, WDS adds significant overhead.   But.. its not a real problem because 
there is a hardware solution to fix it.  Thats why I've been an advocate for 
faster processor CPE SBCs for like ever. And its why we dont use low cost 
$50 slow processor CPEs. When using 533Mhz and 680mMhz processors it really 
shouldn't matter anymore, there is plenty of CPU horsepower.  When we were 
doing MT throughoput testing last week on 433AH, we were getting much slower 
throughput with WDS than Station mode and routing, BUT the bottle neck was 
not CPU usage. We never exceeded 20% CPU usage, even with WDS.  WDS on MT is 
slower, but for different reasons than CPU that I have not yet learned.

With StarOS and 533 boards, we had almost 40% higher CPU usage with WDS, BUT 
WDS passed traffic just as fast as any of its routing or station modes, with 
plenty of CPU to spare.

One of the tests we are going to run this week, is repeating the WDS tests 
using RB600 or RB800s which use netwqork processor for IO, to verify whether 
there was a different type of hardware bottle neck on the RB433AH other than 
CPU.  But I'm predicting its a software issue contributing the the slowness.

If you are selling a sub a 10mb service, ther is plenty of CPU respources 
even with low cost CPEs. And if need to passfull capacity, (using 20-30mpbs 
plus)
There should be plenty of revenue comming in to justify paying an extra $50 
one time for faster CPUs.

My arguement is that all commercial grade stuff bridges well... Canopy, 
Trango, Alvarion, what ever. These devices do NOT have fast processors 
compared to the MT type SBCs available on the street today.  The MTs should 
be capable of bridging (WDS) just the same, from a hardware perspective, and 
I'd say the same for UBQT.

I want to make you I'm clear... we run bridged radio links. But we do not 
run a bridged network.  We use routers at customer's Demarc before they 
connect to us, and we run a router at the cell site behind every AP. But we 
want Radio Links to look like a long patch cable for management reasons, and 
flexibility reasons.

Also note that using WDS Slave has different issues of consideration. In 
that case the client (slave) operates like an AP. All sort of RF 
efficienties could arise.
But the goal was to use StationWDS, which was meant as a solution to operate 
like a station, except to add the second MAC Address to the header.
Its something that should be efficent to do, without much RF trade off, in 
theory. But because MT is someone secrative on exactly what they are doing 
to achieve Station WDS, its impossible for me to conclude accurately, and I 
can only guess, and measure the results..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
To: wireless wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?


 Hey Tom,

 Do you have any issues/limitations running 100% WDS instead of a standard 
 routed network? Would have thought WDS + NStreme would cause CPU related 
 issues and extra overhead might limit the amount of bandwidth available 
 per AP?

 Many thanks,

 Paul.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net]
 Sent: 27 April 2010 05:34
 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards 
 interfere?

 Yes. We let and encourage all our customers to pick their own routers (so
 they are liable for their decission, not us), which is why we like to 
 bridge
 at customer CPE end.

 The reason we need 5-9 eth ports is for when we serve shopping centers or
 industrial park warehouse type clients.
 We run one CPE to the building, but there is not anywhere inside the
 building for us to put indoor equipment.
 There is also rarely reliable AC power on the roof, without eating the 
 cost
 of electrician and painful permitting.
 So we put a 5-9 eth port device on the roof, fed by POE. Then we run a 
 CAT5
 for each customer accross the roof, and enter each customer's suite/bay
 through/underneith their AIRConditioning Unit entry, usually located on 
 the
 roof. Landlords hate seeing cable dropped over edge of building, so they
 like it when we do it that way. We then power the roof equipment (POE) 
 from
 one of the customer's suites. If they cancel, we just move the POE to
 another suite, and change their port to teh POE port at the outdoor
 equipment. This model has worked wonderfully for us. We can go install a 
 new
 building for about $300 with one client, and easilly accommodate the rest 
 of
 the tenants as we follow back

Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

2010-04-23 Thread Paul Hendry
Hey Mike,

As you have already done the path calcs for 11GHz, what frequency comes 
out best for the 30 mile shot in that environment?

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: michael mulcay [mailto:m...@wirelessstrategies.net] 
Sent: 23 April 2010 06:38
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

Scott,

For a 30 mile path in Florida with a 40dB fade margin the outage is
predicted to be in excess of 20 hours. About 12 miles is the max I would
use.

Mike

831-659-5618

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:07 PM
To: Travis Johnson; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 
11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig...  Seams to me just 
guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade 
but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for 
answers...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

Hi,

I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or 
Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? 
What do their numbers show for availability?

Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to 
me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and 
we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and 
considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder 
about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest 
modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms).

Travis
Microserv

Scott Carullo wrote:
 Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to 
do 
 a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not 
 familiar with  So more questions...  Thanks ahead for your time I 
 appreciate any info provided.

 Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any 
 manufacturer.

 Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles.  18db output 40.4 
db 
 dish (4ft)  900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in 
middle 
 with one link east one west.  Calculations show just under 700 watts 
EIRP

 How much is the rain going to affect me...  I have no experience with 
11Ghz 
 and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the 

 rain starts.  I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can 
 dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm 

 not sure.  Any real world info would really help me at this point.  I 
guess 
 I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is 

 reality.

 Next question is for temp inversions.  I have never had equipment higher 

 than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me.  I'm assuming that the 

 angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would 
be 
 a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything 
 different here.  Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I 

 suspect...  I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly 
 marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water.  Does 11Ghz 

 behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions?  Worse, better?  5Ghz around here 

 sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs.

 Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc?  
 Remember back to your first 10K + link :)  That's me now... 

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102




 


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Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Hendry
Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any 
external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq 
rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750

I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is 
not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) 
manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the 
internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of 
servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even 
downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the 
config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and 
nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it.

Thanks in advance.

Greg



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Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

2010-01-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Do these charges have any builtin monitoring via SNMP?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Erickson [mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 January 2010 19:22
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors.

I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers.  Get every
last watt of solar charging you can manage.  Each controller can
handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels.  If you end up needing
more than three panels, add controllers and panels until
sufficient charging is obtained.

Avoid as many power conversions as possible.  Power conversions
never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up
wasted as heat.

6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and
can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries
because they have much thicker plates.

Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem.  If so, schedule
regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels.

Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets.  Solar
panels are starting to become a popular theft item.

My advice is free and worth every penny!

-Christopher Erickson
Network Design Engineer
Waikoloa Village, HI 96738
N19°57' W155°47'

  

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ
 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
 
 Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP 
 group for this
 question...
 
 
 Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the 
 middle of a
 metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by 
 ghetto on one side
 and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option.
 
 We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel 
 cell batteries
 which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)...
 
 The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each 
 event we work
 in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever 
 battery is in
 place.. Not quite the most efficient plan.
 
 Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 
 300-400 amp hour,
 then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a
 charge...
 
 Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater 
 turned down to 25
 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, 
 transmit ramps up to
 about 3.5 amps...
 
 Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a 
 year within the
 coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 
 10% duty cycle
 (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the 
 repeater sits idle
 and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything 
 unless it's actively
 in use)...
 
 What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site?
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?

2009-12-14 Thread Paul Hendry
Had a similar thing on a tower in Cyprus a few years back. Swapped cable twice, 
used shielded cable, tried all sorts. In the end we put the original cable back 
(none shielded, nothing special outdoor cat5e) but put ferrite beads on the 
cable and no further issues ;) Have put ferrites in every AP ever since and 
surprisingly never seen this issue again.

P.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Baird [mailto:m...@tc3net.com] 
Sent: 11 December 2009 19:15
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?

Yes, but he's accessing it via a backhaul which should take the wireless 
bits out of this equation, since he can ping the other AP's served by 
the same backhauls fine.

Regards
Michael Baird
 On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
 Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since
 it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used
 insulated Cat5.  Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's
 brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages
 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen.
 My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas?

 Hi Forbes...what freq is the 5g radio on? What freq is the FM station 
 on? There might be a harmonic of the FM station up there on 5g.

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Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running 4.1 (best 
of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the problems. I know 
this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the v4.0beta releases anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] 
Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best
software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all.

We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty good,
but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the
release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO.

We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and get a
rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result.

I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver issues,
plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N cards, or
UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning.

Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards and
XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime.

PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run Torch
or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better on
the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra
performance is minimal for a major backhaul.

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

At first I was like huh?  but thinking of the now and present, the Rockets
are new and the longevity has yet to be tested.  I have both UBNT and MT
backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect.  My
UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up and
forgotten about.  Sucks but that's how it is.  Not sure why that is, maybe
Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll hit
snags.  I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as
Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you
don't want to worry about, go with the MT.  I'd go one further with his list
though and use the R52N cards.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

 

I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the answer.
However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3 years
now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues.

Travis
Microserv

Jayson Baker wrote: 

(2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea
(2) RocketDish @ $145/ea
 
$470
 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson  mailto:t...@ida.net
t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  

 I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular
411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list:
 
2 x RB411
2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes
2 x PacWireless enclosures
2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice)
2 x pigtails
2 x LMR jumpers
2 x 18v PoE
 
Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz channel
(or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel).
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 
Josh Luthman wrote:
 
If spectrum is available you can use a 411ah pair and get 30 megs in
20mhz.  Like 500 bucks in gear...
 
On 11/30/09, RickG  mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Daniel, great questions!
 
Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum.
10Mbps would be plenty.
Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturally, on the tower I'll be limited by wind
loading. The other end is a solid water tank but I imagine the water company
wont like a 10' dish :)
Budget: $10k including tower.
Licensed or unlicensed. I'm open to either but my budget probably wont allow
licensed.
POE or?: No preference.
Noise floor: On 2.4GHz, -97. On 5GHz, -94.
Currently deploying: Ubiquiti CPE on Mikrotik AP's. Was Tranzeo's on
WRAP/StarOS.
Comfort level: I've got experience with almost everything mainstream.
 
Thanks! -RickG
 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM, 3-dB Networks  mailto:wi...@3-db.net
wi...@3-db.net  mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net wrote:
 
 
 
 Depends...
 
What type of throughput do you need?  What size dishes can you use?  What
is
the budget?  Licensed or Unlicensed?  PoE or some other configuration?
 What
does the noise floor look like?  What type of equipment do you already
primarily use (i.e. what will you be the most comfortable deploying).
 
My recommendation would be based on the answer to all of those questions.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networkshttp://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
Nice. Anyone out there know which of the beta releases seemed most stable?

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2009 13:01
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:26 AM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running
4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the
problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the
v4.0beta releases anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] 
Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best
software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all.

We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty
good,
but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the
release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO.

We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and
get a
rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result.

I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver
issues,
plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N
cards, or
UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning.

Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards
and
XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime.

PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run
Torch
or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better
on
the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra
performance is minimal for a major backhaul.

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

At first I was like huh?  but thinking of the now and present, the
Rockets
are new and the longevity has yet to be tested.  I have both UBNT and MT
backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect.  My
UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up
and
forgotten about.  Sucks but that's how it is.  Not sure why that is,
maybe
Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll
hit
snags.  I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as
Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you
don't want to worry about, go with the MT.  I'd go one further with his
list
though and use the R52N cards.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

 

I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the
answer.
However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3
years
now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues.

Travis
Microserv

Jayson Baker wrote: 

(2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea
(2) RocketDish @ $145/ea
 
$470
 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson  mailto:t...@ida.net
t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  

 I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the
regular
411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list:
 
2 x RB411
2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes
2 x PacWireless enclosures
2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice)
2 x pigtails
2 x LMR jumpers
2 x 18v PoE
 
Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz
channel
(or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel).
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 
Josh Luthman wrote:
 
If spectrum is available you can use a 411ah pair and get 30 megs in
20mhz.  Like 500 bucks in gear...
 
On 11/30/09, RickG  mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com
mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Daniel, great questions!
 
Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum.
10Mbps would be plenty.
Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturally, on the tower I'll be limited by
wind
loading. The other end is a solid water tank but I imagine the water
company
wont like a 10' dish :)
Budget: $10k including tower.
Licensed or unlicensed. I'm open to either but my budget probably wont
allow
licensed.
POE or?: No preference.
Noise floor: On 2.4GHz, -97. On 5GHz, -94.
Currently deploying: Ubiquiti CPE on Mikrotik AP's. Was Tranzeo's on
WRAP/StarOS.
Comfort level: I've got experience with almost everything mainstream.
 
Thanks! -RickG
 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM, 3-dB Networks  mailto:wi...@3-db.net
wi...@3-db.net

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-12-04 Thread Paul Hendry
Nice. Thanks George. Was this just in a PTP environment or PTM also?

-Original Message-
From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] 
Sent: 04 December 2009 13:39
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

We really like beta3. Had some links running 90 days, and it was fast!!

Here is the cheat sheet specifically for beta3. Be careful if you are
running something else, the cheat sheet varied a lot.

- No WDS
- Short preamble
- No Periodic calibration
- Nstreme on, but CSMA not disabled
- Nstreme best fit only
- Play with power levels until best results. Seems pretty picky on this.
- Be sure the RouterBoard firmware (not just RouterOS) is the correct
revision ( /system routerboard print and /system routerboard upgrade)

George

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:05 AM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

Nice. Anyone out there know which of the beta releases seemed most stable?

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] 
Sent: 04 December 2009 13:01
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:26 AM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running
4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the
problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the
v4.0beta releases anywhere?

-Original Message-
From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] 
Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best
software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all.

We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty
good,
but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the
release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO.

We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and
get a
rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result.

I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver
issues,
plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N
cards, or
UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning.

Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards
and
XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime.

PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run
Torch
or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better
on
the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra
performance is minimal for a major backhaul.

George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

At first I was like huh?  but thinking of the now and present, the
Rockets
are new and the longevity has yet to be tested.  I have both UBNT and MT
backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect.  My
UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up
and
forgotten about.  Sucks but that's how it is.  Not sure why that is,
maybe
Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll
hit
snags.  I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as
Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you
don't want to worry about, go with the MT.  I'd go one further with his
list
though and use the R52N cards.

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

 

I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the
answer.
However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3
years
now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues.

Travis
Microserv

Jayson Baker wrote: 

(2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea
(2) RocketDish @ $145/ea
 
$470
 
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson  mailto:t...@ida.net
t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  

 I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the
regular
411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list:
 
2 x RB411
2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes
2 x PacWireless enclosures
2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice)
2 x pigtails
2 x LMR jumpers
2 x 18v PoE
 
Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz
channel
(or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel).
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 
Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-25 Thread Paul Hendry
Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out 
weighs supply :(

Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db?

-original message-
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am

Are you using many?  I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi
sectors.  How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you
seeing?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM
To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector 
question...

But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option.
I think the only problem is availabilty.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic


 Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability?

 -original message-
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am

 yes they do for $1200. each :-(

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: lakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic


 Radiowaves does I believe
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

 Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3
 foot
 solid dish w/dual polarity.

 Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas
 are
 made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium?



 --
 From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

 Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 
 24
 to
 30 dB?

 Phil





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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

2009-11-24 Thread Paul Hendry
Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability?

-original message-
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am

yes they do for $1200. each :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: lakel...@gbcx.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic


 Radiowaves does I believe
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

 Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 
 foot
 solid dish w/dual polarity.

 Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas 
 are
 made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium?



 --
 From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic

 Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24
 to
 30 dB?

 Phil


 
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Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP!

2009-10-12 Thread Paul Hendry
Tested this a while back and although it saves on overhead and CPU, couldn't 
see how you could implement QoS on wireless links between P routers. How are 
you implementing QoS across the MPLS network?

-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] 
Sent: 10 October 2009 17:54
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP!

Basically our test environment consist of 10 deployed routers on our
network

Ip connectivity is achieved by OSPF

We have setup a Router on our NOC as Route Reflector for BGP

All other 9 Routers have BGP sessions to the NOC

VLPS are created dynamically via iBGP

If we need a VPLS tunnel between R4 and R9

WE just create the VPLS instance on R4 and R9

If we need to add R7 to that same VPLS tunnel, we just create a VLPS
instance on router 7 with the same VPLS ID and it would automatically
create all of the tunneling to R4 and R9

Also using Split Horizon Bridging which prevents loops, so we van have 2
VPLS instances connected to a same L2 area without causing any loops and
thus providing redundancy 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP!

Details? :)

Randy


Gino Villarini wrote:
 Got it running! Sweet!

  

 I would encourage anyone doing a fair amount of l2 tunneling either
via
 vlans or EOIP to take a look at BGP based VPLS

  

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Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

2009-10-05 Thread Paul Hendry
AS prepend tends to be only for inbound traffic, to influence outbound you can 
use a few different BGP attributes. There is a pecking order (at least in 
Cisco) as per below:

Weight
Local preference
Multi-exit discriminator
Origin
AS_path
Next hop
Community

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net] 
Sent: 05 October 2009 17:18
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

The most common method is to prepend your AS number to the path that
you announce to the ISP that you want to de-prioritize.
You would use set-bgp-prepend on the inbound route filter for the
connection that you want to de-prioritize. I'd prepend 1, wait a
couple of days and then prepend 2 if necessary.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote:
 Awesome but that wasn't much help lol.

 John Buwa
 Michiana Wireless,Inc
 574-233-7170
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess
 dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

 Plenty of ways :)

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 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

 We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same
 interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we
 seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to
 tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would
 like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

2009-10-05 Thread Paul Hendry
Actually there are other ways to influence inbound traffic other than specific 
routes or AS Prepending (i.e. MED). The problem with more specific routes is 
that some ISP's will drop routes that have a small subnet (i.e too specific) as 
a way to reduce there BGP tables. Here is the logic behind the decision to 
enter a BGP route into the actual routing table:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html#wp1020647

You are probably better of talking with your BGP peers as to what they will 
look for when influencing you inbound traffic.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: 05 October 2009 17:29
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

You mention send traffic, but do you mean receive traffic?  Or both?

To influence your outbound traffic (send) you can simply add a filter rule
that sets a higher cost to the path you do not wish to prefer.

To influence your inbound traffic (receive) you can only try and influence
how traffic comes to you via pre-pending your ASN or by announcing more
specific routes out the path you prefer to use.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Ya, its kind of hard to know what you want to do.  You can setup costs
so that one provider is cheaper than the other, prepends for inbound
etc.  I would have to take a look really to go, here is the best way.
..

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sales
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Awesome but that wasn't much help lol.

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless,Inc
574-233-7170
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess  
dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

 Plenty of ways :)

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 On
 Behalf Of Sales
 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

 We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same
 interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we
 seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to
 tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would
 like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.

 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

2009-10-05 Thread Paul Hendry
Jon,

By prepending to/from the better upstream peer aren't you influencing 
traffic via the poorer upstream due to the shorter AS path?

P.

-Original Message-
From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net] 
Sent: 05 October 2009 18:33
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

Prepending on *inbound* BGP will influence local route
selection/*outbound* traffic.

You can use MED in influence inbound traffic from the same AS
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094934.shtml

You need localpref to distribute outbound preference throughout a iBGP
network when you have multiple egress points across multiple border
routers.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html#wp1020583

Both are unnecessary when you have one border router talking to two
different upstream AS and no downstream AS.

In my situation we have 2 fixed bandwidth upstreams and a link to a
peering exchange.
Upstream A has very good peering so we prepend 3 times from them and 1
time to them.
Upstream B has poor peering so we do not prepend anything from them
and 1 time to them. This happens to cause a fairly even *outbound*
traffic flow.
We do not prepend anything to or from peers. We prepend 1 out on all
our paid transit links as a tie-breaker for traffic from downstreams
of our peers.
No need for MED or localpref. If you need to adjust inbound or
outbound flows you change the number of prepends.

You mileage may vary. Prepending alone resolved my traffic engineering
needs without causing any bad side effects.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Paul Hendry
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote:
 AS prepend tends to be only for inbound traffic, to influence outbound you 
 can use a few different BGP attributes. There is a pecking order (at least in 
 Cisco) as per below:

 Weight
 Local preference
 Multi-exit discriminator
 Origin
 AS_path
 Next hop
 Community

 Cheers,

 P.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net]
 Sent: 05 October 2009 17:18
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

 The most common method is to prepend your AS number to the path that
 you announce to the ISP that you want to de-prioritize.
 You would use set-bgp-prepend on the inbound route filter for the
 connection that you want to de-prioritize. I'd prepend 1, wait a
 couple of days and then prepend 2 if necessary.

 On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote:
 Awesome but that wasn't much help lol.

 John Buwa
 Michiana Wireless,Inc
 574-233-7170
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess
 dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

 Plenty of ways :)

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
 LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
 Author of Learn RouterOS


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Sales
 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt

 We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same
 interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we
 seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to
 tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would
 like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary.

 Thanks
 John


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Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

2009-09-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they 
support full SNMP?

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

Street price is less than $100 I believe.

Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be
adequate?  Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

2009-09-28 Thread Paul Hendry
That's a shame. Not really practical to run a USB cable if all kit on site is 
40ft in the air ;)

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: 28 September 2009 19:48
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

Unfortunately they do not.  APC all but denies the existence of the HS-500
offering little to no support for the product.  I assume because of its low
price and remote power switch ability can be viewed by some within APC as a
threat to more expensive APC products.

We've had several of the HS-500 deployed for a few years now and have had
good luck with them.  It would be great if someone came up with a way to
flash them with a more powerful/configurable software setup like some have
been able to do with Linksys routers.

It would be a terrific product if it had SNMP and an Auto-Ping feature!

We do monitor these via our MikroTik routers using the included USB cable.
The only way to actually power cycle its outlets is via the web interface.

Best,


Brad




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:34 PM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they
support full SNMP?

-Original Message-
From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] 
Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3

Street price is less than $100 I believe.

Brad

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS

Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be
adequate?  Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice.

Thanks,
Forbes




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Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations

2009-09-27 Thread Paul Hendry
Has anyone tried out the new Ubiquiti dual-pol sectors yet? They look pretty 
good and could be good for future proofing assuming they perform.

-original message-
Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
From: pat p...@inlandnet.com
Date: 25/09/2009 6:50 pm

Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone 
else is using.

My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, 
N-connector.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

2009-09-25 Thread Paul Hendry
Sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. Are both ends set to auto-negotiate and 
have they both negotiated 100mb/full? Have you checked for errors or discards 
on the interfaces at either end?

-Original Message-
From: sa...@michianawireless.com [mailto:sa...@michianawireless.com] 
Sent: 24 September 2009 17:51
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?

Ok,

Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the 
other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. 
Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were 
getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router 
to everything. 

average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. 

We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc 
to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port 
ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL 
getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd 
part I do not get.

We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on 
the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping 
specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us 
around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the 
bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is 
this possible?

PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets

Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets

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Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

2009-09-24 Thread Paul Hendry
Are you running the XR5's at full power? Have you tried dialing down the tx 
power? We had a similar issue with some dual-pol antennas and had to turn the 
tx power down to less than 14db.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] 
Sent: 24 September 2009 12:46
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue

I have a 18 mile 5GHz Link to 50MB fiber connection. Original config was a 
HDDA5W-29-DP, 26 Inch 29 dBi dual pol Pacwireless dish at each end, StarOS War2 
boards with 2 XR5 using the StarOS FDX.  The link has never performed well.  
10meg x 5 was the best I could get running ½ duplex.  The Horizontal had never 
worked right or so I thought.  Recently we added another DCE and 2nd WAR board 
at each end to reduce self interference and realigned the Antennas.  We setup a 
MTIK at each end and did Pseudo FDX through them.  No better.  If we run FDX 
the Horizontal all but crashes so we set it back to 1/2 . 

Yesterday we tried something new.  We set our routing so that our inbound come 
up the Vertical of FDX link and outbound goes out a second link.  I then got 20 
Meg across the Vertical link.  I switched to the horizontal link for inbound, 
20 meg.  I switched direction outbound through the FDX link 20MB.  This was 
making no sense.  We bonded the Vert and Hor  together still going just one 
direction and the speed fell to 6MB.  Put it back to FDX reset route tables 
and with a heavy speed test and lots of customer traffic all we could get was 
3MB down 1MB up.  We have tried all types of Channels Hor is on 5825 and Vert 
is on 5240  so there is plenty of separation. Signal is -57 with a -96 floor.  
Currently I am running Inbound through the Vertical side and Outbound through 
the other path I have which all returns back to the same NOC getting me 20Mb x 
15Mb, but I don't like that setup for failover and tracert issues.  Not sure 
all my VPN clients will like it either.

So any one have any Ideas?  There has to be an issue with the Antennas I think 
but the installer has these same antennas being used else ware on spectra link 
radios and getting 100MB FDX.  I cant just change antennas, One end is on a 
CrowneCastle tower and I have to do a full new engineer fee to change anything. 
 What can I try next?

Steve
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Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

2009-08-24 Thread Paul Hendry
Are you running NStreme as 120 clients seems a lot for an NStreme enabled AP 
without wireless-test package? Do you have latency to clients on all radio 
cards or just 1? Have you disabled connection tracking and default forward on 
the radio cards?

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] 
Sent: 24 August 2009 07:08
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik

I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it 
working on an AP that won't behave.  It's the third long fix period I've had to 
do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that 
brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful.
 
SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c.  
We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after 
disable/enable would come back up.  As the week went on it happened more 
frequently.  First solution, change out the new card, no difference.  The next 
was a new power supply.  Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 
12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change.  So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah 
board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three 
XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now 
the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically 
after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for 
about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs.
 
Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since 
you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped.  I should point 
out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get 
up it.  Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems 
but its never been a problem so it was low priority).  Tonight my after hours 
is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 
4000ms pings.  I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, 
any ideas out there?  I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple 
stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah)  HELP!
 
Not a pretty weekend,
Forbes
forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

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Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real 
throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than 
Canopy.



Matt wrote:
 Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com.
 Looking to take Canopy on.
 

 Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse?

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Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Low cost, dual pol and high gain. 19db 120' sector @ 5GHz ;) Interesting design 
too.

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] 
Sent: 19 August 2009 00:08
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs.

Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and 
both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to 
mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds.

I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just 
saying, in real world use,  I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, 
including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget 
the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high 
modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP.  Remember, a flaky 
packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput 
reduction.

The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there 
might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
To: wireless wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP


 Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps 
 real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive 
 numbers than Canopy.



 Matt wrote:
 Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com.
 Looking to take Canopy on.


 Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse?

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Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance

2009-07-30 Thread Paul Hendry
Wouldn't use XR2 for 5GHz shots as they are 2GHz only ;) Also, I would 
guess you'll be turning down the power to keep it legal?

-Original Message-
From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] 
Sent: 29 July 2009 18:18
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance

Something Like a MT411a XR2 and a Arc 23 DB Panel

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance

Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example.

Steve Barnes wrote:
 I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor 
pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8.  With a 
17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to 
achieve?  I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 
2.4.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM
 To: li...@stlbroadband.com
 Cc: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and 
WOW.

 That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster



 St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 Humm, not what I am reading into it.
 Lol, maybe I have read it too many times...  ;-)


 Victoria Proffer
 www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com
 314-974-5600

 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and 
WOW.

 It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated 
service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have 
access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area 
designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only 
real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as 
unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the 
right to then convert that application to an underserved one.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster




 RickG wrote:

 Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS?



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis

 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com
mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:



 They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due

 diligence phase.

 Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 
40%

 take rate.





 Victoria Proffer

 www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com

 314-974-5600



 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of RickG

 Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM

 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and 
WOW.



 And on that note, where can you find a list of applications?

 -RickG



 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike 
Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net

 wrote:



 If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not 
protesting

 their application.





 -

 Mike Hammett

 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 http://www.ics-il.com







 --

 From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com

 Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM

 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org

 Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.





 Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH



 featuring



 Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went

 with

 an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free 
money



 to



 be had.







 The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that



 take



 this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's



 that



 take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a



 walk



 in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50

 things

 that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't



 list



 it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and 
how

 much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire

 existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money.







 They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime 
they

 want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly



 tell



 you what to charge your customer per

Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Hendry
Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example.

Steve Barnes wrote:
 I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing 
 right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8.  With a 17dBi 120 degree 
 sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve?  I can get 6 
 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM
 To: li...@stlbroadband.com
 Cc: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.

 That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster



 St. Louis Broadband wrote:
 Humm, not what I am reading into it.
 Lol, maybe I have read it too many times...  ;-)


 Victoria Proffer
 www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com
 314-974-5600

 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.

 It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service 
 area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to 
 broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the 
 applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to 
 challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the 
 RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that 
 application to an underserved one.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster




 RickG wrote:

 Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS?



 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis

 Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:



 They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due

 diligence phase.

 Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40%

 take rate.





 Victoria Proffer

 www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com

 314-974-5600



 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of RickG

 Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM

 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.



 And on that note, where can you find a list of applications?

 -RickG



 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike 
 Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net

 wrote:



 If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting

 their application.





 -

 Mike Hammett

 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 http://www.ics-il.com







 --

 From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com

 Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM

 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org

 Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.





 Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH



 featuring



 Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went

 with

 an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money



 to



 be had.







 The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that



 take



 this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's



 that



 take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a



 walk



 in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50

 things

 that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't



 list



 it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how

 much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire

 existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money.







 They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they

 want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly



 tell



 you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair.

 They

 can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block.







 This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that

 once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to

 do

 with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The

 majority of the attendees once we got into the workshops and started

 talking

 among each other was that they don't want anything to do with this money

 at

 all either once they found out all the hidden strings attached to it.







 They are encouraging few larger 

Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance

2009-07-29 Thread Paul Hendry
Hey Randy,

Any joy with testing ROS on one of these? Would be interesting to 
see how it stacks up against the RB1000's or the original PoweRouter.

P.

Randy Cosby wrote:
 I've got one of the supermicro units.  They are hard to get - lots of 
 demand.  As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to test drive.

 Randy


 Josh Luthman wrote:
   
 I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not.
 I specifically remember looking for that too...

 Ignore my initial post!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote:

   
 
 Oh, Josh, just realized that MSI Wind computer has no PCI or PCIe
 slots, nor ATA. Anything you add to it would have to go into  USB,
 SATA, CF slot or miniPCI express slot.  So it would be harder to add a
 second ethernet to this version.

 If you want to route, it would either be USB ethernet or VLAN.

 Is routing via VLAN common?  I have heard of one-armed routers, but
 didn't think they were too common.


 On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 
   
 $120 PC + $20 NIC for a desktop one...
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032

 Josh Luthman
   
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik

2009-04-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Lots of memory. Do you redistribute the partial routes into your igp?

-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] 
Sent: 18 April 2009 15:45
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik

List
 
Im running 3.15 on our Core Router to our upstream, I have 3 circuits
running BGP to the same provider.  Im only receving rartial routes.  All
is well
 
We just sold a circuit to anothe ISP, thy want full bGP support.  I
assume we must change to full routes,
 
any tips on the changes needed?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
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[WISPA] Freeside Forum ??

2007-12-06 Thread paul hendry
Hi all,

Looking at playing with Freeside for various billing reasons but, as 
some of you have pointed out, it's not the best product for when it 
comes to support. Have anyone found any good forums or documents that 
have helped you in the past?

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RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread paul hendry
What board are you running Mikrotik on and do you see any latency on the 
5.8 side?

-Original Message-
From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 March 2007 20:28
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

yep, no matter which channel. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type of 
behavior
in a high noise environment. Does it persist through all channels?

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Rick Smith wrote:
 yeah, 100' away from the pop.  across the street (dead side street, 
 antenna way up above car level)

 This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're 
 the first on the repeater...


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

 History? Did it ever work?

 Distance? 100' from the POP?

 The signals are too hot.

 jack


 Rick Smith wrote:
   
 I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2

 with currently one customer on it.

 He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High 
 Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms 
 pings and some time-outs.

 I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 
 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network 
 connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency.

 Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected 
 (it's
 
 a
   
 hotspot on a rooftop)

 But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this.  A drive up to the
 
 hotspot
   
 with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of 
 his other computers with a wifi card in it.

 Things to look for / do ?

 R



 

   

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RE: [WISPA] 18ghz links

2007-03-06 Thread paul hendry
Hi Travis,

Just looking to venture into the world of 18GHz. We are looking at our 
first link to be about 17.5 miles and I'm wondering if you could give us 
more details on your 19 mile link (heights, dish size/db, throughput 
speeds, fade margin, etc.)

Many thanks,

Paul.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 March 2007 05:00
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 18ghz links

Hi,

We have had several 18ghz links up and running for almost 4 years. Using 

many of the path calc programs, they show as much as 28 minutes per year 

of outage (due to multi-path and rain fade). Yet, during the entire last 

4 years, we have never seen the signal change by more than 3-4db. We 
have over 30db of fade margin on these links... so, my question is, does 

18ghz just die instantly (like 38ghz does) in a heavy rain storm? We 
have never had either of our 18ghz links go down (one is 7 miles and the 

other is 19 miles).

I am wanting to try and do a 28 mile link, and I can do it with 20db of 
fade margin... so I am wondering if that will be enough, or if the path 
calcs will be correct and we will have as much as 20 hours of downtime 
per year? (99.7653% uptime).

Any thoughts?

Travis
Microserv
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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2007-03-04 Thread paul hendry
Scott,

Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in 
parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't 
changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery 
count.

Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these 
things to see if they charged ;)

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the 
original configuration.  Changing the quantity and/or type of battery 
risks damaging either the charger or the batteries.

Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes 
the runtime.

paul hendry wrote:
 Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got 
an 
 old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is 
 they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they 
 are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those 

 sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 
2 
 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each.

 Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries 
 instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really 

 want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4.

 Cheers,

 P.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, 
$100
 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I 
 have
 out in the field (80w).  It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, 
and 
 a
 19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly.  Now instead of 1 hour I get 

 13
 hours.  Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this.  
My 
 goal
 is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a 
 sensible
 price.

 One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to 
 simply
 take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of 

 the
 generator.  I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to 
go.
 It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 
 1000w
 generators and putting large custom tanks on them.  That is if your 
UPS 
 is
 not on the top of a water tower or something. ;)

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


   
 I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
 Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

 Connectors:

 http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

 Batteries:

 http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 
 Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
 Gino,
 Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

 Brian


 Travis Johnson wrote:

   
 Hi,

 We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect 
 
 the
   
 positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

 We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big 
 
 batteries
   
 (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 
 
 pounds).
   
 We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

 This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various
 locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 
 You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

 Travis,
 What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you 
   
 draw
   
 and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with
 the most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries 
   
 last?
   
 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

   
 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off 
 
 two
   
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting 
   
 an
   
 external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it
 right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep 
   
 continuously
   
 with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep 
   
 cycle
   
 battery

RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2007-03-01 Thread paul hendry
Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an 
old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is 
they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they 
are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those 
sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 
connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each.

Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries 
instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really 
want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100
batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I 
have
out in the field (80w).  It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and 
a
19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly.  Now instead of 1 hour I get 
13
hours.  Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this.  My 
goal
is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a 
sensible
price.

One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to 
simply
take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of 
the
generator.  I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go.
It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 
1000w
generators and putting large custom tanks on them.  That is if your UPS 
is
not on the top of a water tower or something. ;)

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
 Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

 Connectors:

 http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

 Batteries:

 http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
  Gino,
  Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?
 
  Brian
 
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect 
the
  positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.
 
  We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big 
batteries
  (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 
pounds).
  We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).
 
  This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various
  locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 
  You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?
 
  Travis,
  What APC do you use and what batteries are added?  What do you 
draw
  and what is th run time?  Do you know how many times the one with
  the most cycles has been drawn down?  How long do the batteries 
last?
 
  Brian
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so
  you need two batteries running in series.
 
  It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off 
two
  gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on
  the positive side of the connection.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 
  I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting 
an
  external battery to an APC UPS.  I'm in the middle of doing it
  right now and am having problems.  The UPS just beep 
continuously
  with the 'bad battery' light on.  I'm using a Lifeline deep 
cycle
  battery.  Any ideas?
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  350 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-25 Thread paul hendry
Nope. Does it add a tab key as this seems to be the only thing missing 
from the free Putty.

-Original Message-
From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 25 January 2007 01:41
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

have you tried mobile ssh?

On 1/24/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in 
one
 hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side 
seems
 to be the lack of a tab key.

 -Original Message-
 From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

 Matt,

 Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities.  I'm looking for the
 same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS
 boxes with good success.

 Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70.



 On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a
 broken
  screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a 
Nokia
  E70 phone.
 
  It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to
 cell
  phone nirvana.  It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish
 with
  a PDA or cell phone combined.
 
  The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes
  synchronized with my PC.  My previous phone was extremely flaky when
  used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one 
in
  every 10 times.   I had to install, reinstall, run a registry 
cleaner
  and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a
 reliable
  connection between my PC and phone.  Once accomplished, I was able 
to
  get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion.
 With
  all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able 
to
  this process worked out better.
 
  The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone.
  GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi
  connectivity feature of the phone.  The E70 will browse for an
 available
  access point and the process for connecting is pretty 
straightforward.
  I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70.  I
  would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser 
on
  all of the PocketPCs that I have used.  It is that good.  It was
  reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird
 format
  surprises.   All told - the Internet access components work very 
well.
  I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks 
like
  other have, so I will still have that to work on.
 
  The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP
 working
  on a cell phone.  My cell coverage at my house and many other places
 in
  my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to
 having
  a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to 
a
  minimum.  I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to 
set
  the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to 
get
 it
  to connect to my office voip phone system.  After all the hassles 
and
  reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by
 the
  performance of the voip part of the E70.  It is actually clearer 
than
  regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi
  signal gets low.  Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my
  office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning 
less
  minutes on my cell phone plan.  I should also be able to use the 
voip
  when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the
  regular cell network or incurred roaming charges.
 
  All in all, I am very impressed with the E70.  I am going to
 officially
  retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary
 PIM/phone/voip
  phone.
 
  Matt Larsen
  vistabeam.com
 
  PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they 
are
  also available at voip-supply.com for $385.
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

2007-01-25 Thread paul hendry
You will need to add a srcnat rule for every dstnat rule you want to 
work.

Cheers,

P.
Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd
www.skyline-networks.com


-Original Message-
From: Don Annas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 25 January 2007 04:52
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question

I have an office router/Mikrotik that has a wan IP that is set up as a
global nat to an inside private range.  Additionally, we have a /27 
routed
to the Mikrotik and are doing 1 to 1 nat translations using dstnat for
certain servers.  Our problem is that while traffic can get to these 
devices
using the alternate IP on the /27, when the devices send outbound 
traffic,
it appears to be coming from the wan IP that is utilized for the global 
NAT
pool instead of the IP that we are trying to translate it too.  Any 
ideas?
Thank you.

 

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Triad Telecom, Inc.

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RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-24 Thread paul hendry
I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one 
hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems 
to be the lack of a tab key.

-Original Message-
From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

Matt,

Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities.  I'm looking for the
same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS
boxes with good success.

Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70.



On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a 
broken
 screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia
 E70 phone.

 It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to 
cell
 phone nirvana.  It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish 
with
 a PDA or cell phone combined.

 The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes
 synchronized with my PC.  My previous phone was extremely flaky when
 used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in
 every 10 times.   I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner
 and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a 
reliable
 connection between my PC and phone.  Once accomplished, I was able to
 get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion.   
With
 all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to
 this process worked out better.

 The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone.
 GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi
 connectivity feature of the phone.  The E70 will browse for an 
available
 access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward.
 I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70.  I
 would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on
 all of the PocketPCs that I have used.  It is that good.  It was
 reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird 
format
 surprises.   All told - the Internet access components work very well.
 I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like
 other have, so I will still have that to work on.

 The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP 
working
 on a cell phone.  My cell coverage at my house and many other places 
in
 my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to 
having
 a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a
 minimum.  I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set
 the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get 
it
 to connect to my office voip phone system.  After all the hassles and
 reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by 
the
 performance of the voip part of the E70.  It is actually clearer than
 regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi
 signal gets low.  Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my
 office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less
 minutes on my cell phone plan.  I should also be able to use the voip
 when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the
 regular cell network or incurred roaming charges.

 All in all, I am very impressed with the E70.  I am going to 
officially
 retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary 
PIM/phone/voip
 phone.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are
 also available at voip-supply.com for $385.



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RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

2007-01-22 Thread paul hendry
I have been using the E70 for a while and it is great. It has all the 
features of the E61 (sip, wifi, etc) but it also has a camera and flips 
open to reveal a full qwerty keyboard which I found really quick to get 
use to. Add an SSH client and I can suddenly manage almost every aspect 
of my network with only my mobile. Convergence is a wonderful thing ;)

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 January 2007 19:47
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

I'm trying the Nokia E61 (same as Cingular's E62 but without being 
crippled
by Cingular turning off the Wi-Fi and 3G support).  It's very good, too.
You can get them on ebay unlocked and just put your Cingular SIM into 
it.
It's thinner than the Ipaq but no camera.  It seems to go forever on a
single charge and doesn't cause pain when I sit down with it in my 
pocket.

It has a SIP phone client and I use it at any Wi-Fi to access my home
Asterisk VoIP server...free.  I can see why Cingular wanted to cripple 
this
feature since, in Europe; I no longer pay $1.35 a minute but $0 a 
minute.

I can put 4 or 5 full length DVDs in it's accessory memory to watch 
while
waiting in airports.  I can also keep all our PDF and WORD and 
POWERPOINT
collateral in it and have it ready for display or copying to somebody's 
PC.

It doesn't have internal GPS so I use a $60 lipstick-sized Bluetooth GPS 

http://www.holux.com/product/search.htm?filename=gpsreceiver_bluetooth_index
.htmtarget=gpsreceiver0level=grandson

accessory that I place on my dash of the car to get solid satellite lock
while I have he display near my eyes.  This tiny GPS thingymajig goes 8
hours on a charge but has a car charger and USB (from laptop) charger.  
If
you use it with your laptop you can link to Microsoft Streets and Trips.
You can get a pretty good mapping application for most phones with 
internal
or external GPS for free:
http://www.nav4all.com/site2/www.nav4all.com/eng/index.php  It has 
mapping
and talking directions, too.  It covers a lot of the world...amazing.

...and, this phone doesn't crash all the time like my Palm used to.

. . . j o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

Nice OT thread guys; I am learning and hope others chime in.

Patrick Leary

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...

Matt,

It's funny you posted this message today I just picked up a new 
test phone I am trying to replace my Treo 650. I grabbed an HP iPaq 
6945 from Cingular for $189 (with two year contract) and have been 
playing with it on an off for the last couple of days.

The biggest advantage to this phone is the built-in GPS, along with WiFi

and Bluetooth. There are some neat functions that are already built-in 
to the main OS... such as the camera showing GPS coordinates on the 
picture when you take it (if you enable that option). Also, many 
commercial map programs (TomTom 6, etc.) work on this phone with the 
GPS. With a simple car mount and car adapter, you have a full-fledged 
GPS device built into your phone. There are also programs that will 
connect to WiFi and update GPS coordinates to a website... so you could 
have real-time locations for your installers with no monthly fee. ;)

It's running Windows Mobile 5, which is better than any other Windows 
phone OS I have used, but still not as easy to navigate as the Palm OS. 
The biggest feature on the Treo 650 for me is the SMS messaging. It's 
easy to access (single button) and it keeps a chat dialog going with 
each person you have talked to. I send and receive over 100 messages per

day, sometimes 200-300. It's quick, easy, and can be done with one hand.

If there was just a simple program that would function the same, the 
iPaq could be a great phone for me.

I should also mention I purchased a Nokia 770 Internet Tablet. This is a

pretty cool device as well built in WiFi and Bluetooth, running 
Linux with a nice GUI. Nice wide, bright screen too. It just doesn't 
have a phone or GPS, just WiFi. Still pretty cool for that type of a
device.

Travis
Microserv

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a 
 broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a

 Nokia E70 phone.

 It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to 
 cell phone nirvana.  It has been able to do I have wanted to 
 accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined.

 The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes 
 synchronized with my PC.  My previous phone was extremely flaky when 
 used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and 

RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure

2007-01-21 Thread paul hendry
I know there are 2 variants (see original post). Are the Teletronic 
enclosures for specific antennas or have they devised a way to integrate 
them with any antenna?

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 January 2007 23:49
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure

Take note that the MTI antenna models come in two format, with screw 
holes 
for enclosure, and without screw holes for enclosure.

Side note,  I wanted to mention that Teletroncs has EXCELLENT pricing 
and 
availabilty of their Model of antenna enclosure, very similar to MTI's. 
Bascially they look identical, just that Teletronics includes it with a 
different mount that only supports a 2 pole.  The Teletronics version 
is 
very affordable.  They also carry most of the MTI antennas, although the 

non-common ones they need to special order.

Winncomm, has always been a good distributor, but Teletronics is also a 
great source for MTI products and their lower cost version that are near 

identical.  Our rep is, Win.

Now you were specifically asking for the Dual POl, and I'm not sure that 

they stock the Dual Pol, but I know they can order it for you, if they 
don't 
stock it.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure


Hi Rick,

Do you know if Winncom sell the dual-pols that are compatible with the
MTI enclosure? I can see they sell the enclosure and the standalone
dual-pols but can't see any reference to it on there site and
unfortunately there aren't open on Saturdays to ask :(

Many thanks,

Paul.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 January 2007 14:50
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure

Paul,



I have bought 26 db dual pol antennas from Winncom.  www.winncom.com  We
are
about to start testing them but have not deployed any yet.  I have
deployed
23 and 26 db single pol and I really like them.



Respectfully,





Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA



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RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure

2007-01-20 Thread paul hendry
Hi Rick,

Do you know if Winncom sell the dual-pols that are compatible with the 
MTI enclosure? I can see they sell the enclosure and the standalone 
dual-pols but can't see any reference to it on there site and 
unfortunately there aren't open on Saturdays to ask :(

Many thanks,

Paul.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 January 2007 14:50
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure

Paul,

 

I have bought 26 db dual pol antennas from Winncom.  www.winncom.com  We 
are
about to start testing them but have not deployed any yet.  I have 
deployed
23 and 26 db single pol and I really like them.

 

Respectfully,

 

 

Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA

 

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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-25 Thread Paul Hendry
Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to
achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally
only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC
and Ethernet direct to the batteries?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Yes, Paul.
What are you looking for?

Mario

Paul Hendry wrote:

Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into
cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the
tower?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Thanks Brian

  

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:



Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
Gino,
Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

Brian


Travis Johnson wrote:

  

Hi,

We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
(a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:



You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

Travis,
What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw 
and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with 
the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last?

Brian

Travis Johnson wrote:

  

You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
you need two batteries running in series.

It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
the positive side of the connection.

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:



I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it 
right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously 
with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
battery. Any ideas?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax


  

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RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-24 Thread Paul Hendry
Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into
cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the
tower?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Thanks Brian

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
 Gino,
 Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

 Brian


 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
 positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

 We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
 (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
 We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

 This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
 locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

 Travis,
 What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw 
 and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with 
 the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery. Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-14 Thread Paul Hendry
Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is?

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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

Just looking for experiences

Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has 
any pros/cons

www.exaltcom.com

100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to have 
one of these for a neighbor!  :-)

-B-

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????

2006-11-14 Thread Paul Hendry
How do they handle small packets? Can you still get full throughput? Would
be interesting to see a comparison between these and the Spectra's.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: 14 November 2006 12:44
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

One of the things that is really unique is that they have a 2 year 
warranty for a carrier class backhaul product. You don't have to buy the 
second year, just fill out the registration card.  And there is also a 
written out-of-box failure policy. None of this stuff about depending 
who you know and how important you are.  ;-)

We have installed a handful of the one piece outdoor 5Ghz  links and 
they were a piece of cake.  Some real thought went into these. Really 
nice stuff...

-B-




Dawn DiPietro wrote:

 Paul,

 Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended 
 warranties.

 http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/

 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro


 Paul Hendry wrote:

 Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios

 Just looking for experiences

 Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else 
 has any pros/cons

 www.exaltcom.com

 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio.   H.   I bet Marlon would love to 
 have one of these for a neighbor!  :-)

 -B-

  




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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

2006-11-13 Thread Paul Hendry
Did it not get sent to the list? Anyone forward it offlist?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: 13 November 2006 14:53
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

I got it here.  It looks like a great program, but Patrick, why only the 5.8

gear included in this?  Doesn't help us out much where we have TONS of 
trees, right?  Why no 2.4 or 900 gear included in the program too?



- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!


 It's Monday morning ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: 10 November 2006 22:29
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

 On Monday morning a mail will hit the WISPA list (sent via WISPA's ad
 mechanism, not as a post) that will have a letter from me. Within that
 will be a link to a jump page where you can get access to the detailed
 pdf. This version of pdf will have more price details than the one
 distributed at the WISPA meeting, so those 30 or so of you that received
 a hard copy the other night may want to pull down the other one.

 Everything will be ready and waiting.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

 Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities
 to
 connect to the Internet.
 The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and
 program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure

 what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose.

 The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always
 wanted
 to buy, but thought you could never afford.
 There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan
 is
 not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via

 online content and such.  When you learn about it, you will see why I
 was so
 excited.  This program is something that never could have happened
 without
 someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of

 WISPs, and went to bat for us.

 What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how
 can
 they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher
 volume
 of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best
 of
 Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic
 expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete
 against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based
 on
 whether the features and design of the product is the best product for
 the
 job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a
 WISP
 to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified /
 carrier class gear within their reach.

 Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and
 without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does
 not
 take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver.

 But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual
 product lines, for the appropriate locations.  Alvarion is not the
 appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and

 I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!


 Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist.  :)  The
 suspense is killing me.  :)

 Brian

 Rick Smith wrote:

yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details.

I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one.

I love Alvarion gear.  Just can't afford it.  Mikrotik's just as good,
 if
not
better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul
everywhere...or bigger. :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

No details on the website...

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

2006-11-13 Thread Paul Hendry
Thanks guys.

Patrick, is there a reason this is only available to the US?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: 13 November 2006 18:44
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

Did it not get sent to the list? Anyone forward it offlist?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: 13 November 2006 14:53
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

I got it here.  It looks like a great program, but Patrick, why only the 5.8

gear included in this?  Doesn't help us out much where we have TONS of 
trees, right?  Why no 2.4 or 900 gear included in the program too?



- Original Message - 
From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:28 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!


 It's Monday morning ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: 10 November 2006 22:29
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

 On Monday morning a mail will hit the WISPA list (sent via WISPA's ad
 mechanism, not as a post) that will have a letter from me. Within that
 will be a link to a jump page where you can get access to the detailed
 pdf. This version of pdf will have more price details than the one
 distributed at the WISPA meeting, so those 30 or so of you that received
 a hard copy the other night may want to pull down the other one.

 Everything will be ready and waiting.

 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

 Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities
 to
 connect to the Internet.
 The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and
 program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure

 what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose.

 The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always
 wanted
 to buy, but thought you could never afford.
 There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan
 is
 not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via

 online content and such.  When you learn about it, you will see why I
 was so
 excited.  This program is something that never could have happened
 without
 someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of

 WISPs, and went to bat for us.

 What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how
 can
 they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher
 volume
 of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best
 of
 Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic
 expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete
 against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based
 on
 whether the features and design of the product is the best product for
 the
 job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a
 WISP
 to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified /
 carrier class gear within their reach.

 Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and
 without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does
 not
 take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver.

 But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual
 product lines, for the appropriate locations.  Alvarion is not the
 appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and

 I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!


 Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist.  :)  The
 suspense is killing me.  :)

 Brian

 Rick Smith wrote:

yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details.

I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one.

I love Alvarion gear.  Just can't afford it.  Mikrotik's just as good,
 if
not
better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul
everywhere...or bigger. :)

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Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!

No details on the website...

Gino

RE: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...

2006-11-09 Thread Paul Hendry
So for those of us that couldn't make it, any more news? Is it a cheaper
version of the VL?

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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: 07 November 2006 22:14
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...

And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak
preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] lightning

2006-10-16 Thread Paul Hendry








Hi Brad,



Im curious as to why you chose this
particular model of ferrite and if you run poe through these cables? Did these
resolve a problem you where having with interference on the cat5?











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jenco Wireless
Sent: 08 October 2006 00:33
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning







http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22











I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap
the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to
purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located
in Ohio. 























Brad Hagstrom





(Jenco Wireless)







On 10/7/06, KyWiFi
LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 

Can you share some info on the $1.50 inductor you reference below?
Do you then ground the inductor to the mounting arm which is then 
grounded to an earth ground? Please share if you don't mind, inquiring
minds would LOVE to know. ;-)

Also, where are the bulk of your subscribers located (city/state)? I
would venture to say that WISP's out west have fewer lightning 
related failures than WISP's in the East or South.


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling,
 Kentucky
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- Original Message -
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wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning


I lost 15% of my CPE's one year.It was a dry Summer (I theorize the
earth
was not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad
storms.Usinga
$1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have 
helped a lot.


Brad Hagstrom


On 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Actually, I've been fairly lucky.The only lightning losses
I've had were 
 on my tower.I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by
lightning,
 but it came through the house and blew a LOT
of other stuff as well.To
 me,
 to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1 
 (percentage-wise, less than 1% for me) in a little over a year.




 - Original Message -
 From: KyWiFi LLC 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning 


  Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be
  interesting
  to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced
by
  WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to 
 lightning.
  We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the
  outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an
approved
  earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken
any 
  direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO,
 owning
  a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so
prone
 to
  damage caused by lightning. 
 
  BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates
 with
  the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips,
tricks
  and
  wisdom. 
 
  Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE
  installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 -
$20
  per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection 
  compare with installations where there is none?
 
 
  Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
  KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling,
 Kentucky
  Your Hometown Broadband Provider 
  http://www.KyWiFi.com
  Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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  $14.99 Home Phone Service 
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  - Original Message -
  From: Brent Hegerfeld  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'WISPA General List'
wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning 
 
 
  Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few
months.Knocked a
  backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1
  week),
  another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.I'm
told the 
  probability of lightning over the next 4 months is
low.Let's hope.
 
  Brent Hegerfeld
  East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC.
 
 
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On
  Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC
  Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM 
  To: WISPA 

[WISPA] DIY Wireless Enclosures

2006-10-04 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi all,

This is aimed at anyone who builds there own x86 kit but anyone with
experience in this arena is more than welcome to chime in.
Basically I'm trying to gauge if using a sealed enclosure is really best
for mounting x86 based kit outdoors or if a well ventilated enclosure
would be better. Until now we have always used IP67 enclosures but it
seems that no matter how well you seal every cable entry point a tiny
amount of water always manages to get in. Once the water is in it never
seems to drain. Looking at some of the outdoor cabs that the mobile
operators use in the UK it would apear that they use well ventilated
outdoor housing not sealed enclosures. Obviously a vetilated enclosure has
the added bonus that there is more airflow which can only be a good thing
when using x86 hardware.

Any thoughts or experiences?

Many thanks,

Paul.

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RE: [WISPA] Routing woes.....

2006-09-17 Thread Paul Hendry
In a routed network I would expect all interfaces that directly connect on
the same lan segment to have addresses from the same network range. As yours
do not then it suggests you are bridging and, as Lonnie said, chances are
this is the route cause of your problems. Perhaps now is the time to switch
to a properly routed network? You don’t need to run a routing protocol like
RIP or OSPF if you are no ready for it yet and tbh there are some dodgy
implementations out there. Getting rid of any bridged interfaces and putting
in static routes and correct ip assignment should do the job.

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: 17 September 2006 19:55
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routing woes.

I also like the idea of moving to RIP or OSPF but have yet taken the
time to wrap my head around it to understand how to implement.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing woes.

What is the Ethernet assignment on the edge router?  What is the
connection to the BR AP units?  Is it Ethernet or wireless?  I am
thinking it is Ethernet since the BR AP units seem to have their
radios in AP mode, but the BH designation on the one unit has me not
so sure of it.

My first comment is actually a question.  Why use bridging at all?
You have subnets assigned to all devices so routing would be a snap to
implement and you are more than half way there.  Bridging uses the IP
strictly for configuration.  It will figure out the connections based
on the ARP table, so in my mind you never really have routes in a
bridge design.  The two conflict.

For routing design just make sure to use subnets that are common for
each connected device.  That means that if you connect the edge unit
to the other units by Ethernet, they all share a unique subnet and
when you can ping the connected units you have the basis for a routed
backbone.

Once that is done and all backbone units are pingable on Ethernet I
would simply enable RIP and remove the bridge tags and you would be
solid for the rest of the LAN.

Just keep assigning new, unique subnets to all new devices and let RIP
take care of it.  All you will need is a default route on each new
device that points to the machine and IP it connects with.

By moving to routed and RIP you will find your current system is
simpler and easier and I'll bet it will have higher performance and it
will offer you more control and troubleshooting ability.

Lonnie

On 9/17/06, Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 I am trying to add a route to my existing network and I just can't get
it to
 work...

 The network I can't get to work is to network 172.22.20.0/24, all
others
 work fine.



 Edge router StarOS



 0.0.0.0/0   216.229.xxx.xxxether1
Wan

 172.22.255.0/29 172.22.1.3 ether2
Route to BR LAN

 172.22.11.0/24   172.22.1.3 ether2
 Route to BR AP1

 172.22.12.0/24   172.22.1.3 ether2
 Route to BR AP2

 172.22.13.0/24   172.22.1.3 ether2
 Route to BR AP3

 172.22.22.0/24   172.22.1.9 ether2
 Route to Atheros test

 172.22.23.0/24   172.22.1.9 ether2
 Route to Prism test

 172.22.20.0/24   172.22.1.3 ether2
 Route to Lenox BH ( does not work )



 BR AP1 - StarOS, 2 wireless cards

 Wpci1  172.22.11.1AP

 Wpci2   172.22.1.3 BH

 Ether1   172.22.255.1



 0.0.0.0/0   172.22.1.1 wpci2

 172.22.12.0/24   172.22.255.2 ether1
   Route to AP2

 172.22.13.0/24   172.22.255.3 ether1
   Route to AP3

 172.22.20.0/24   172.22.255.3 ether1
   Route to BH Lenox



 BR AP2 - Mikrotik, 1 wireless card

 Wpci1   172.22.12.1   AP

 Ether1   172.22.355.2



 0.0.0.0/0   172.22.255.1 ether1



 BR AP3 - StarOS,  2 wireless cards

 Wpci1   172.22.13.1

 Wpci2   172.22.20.1

 Ether1   172.22.255.3



 0.0.0.0/24  172.22.255.1 ether1





 Trace from machine on 172.22.1.0/24

 C:\Documents and Settings\Administratortracert 172.22.20.1



 Tracing route to 172.22.20.1 over a maximum of 30 hops



   11 ms1 ms1 ms  172.22.1.1

   2 1 ms 1 ms1 ms  172.22.1.3

   3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms  172.22.1.3

   4 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms  

RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION

2006-09-15 Thread Paul Hendry
Brian,

Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new
cable and did you still see the same issue?

P.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION

First off.  I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply.
To the solution.
I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532.
Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine.
And check this.  My headache went away as soon as the problem did.  :)
Problem solved.  NEXT!

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts 
 instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V.
 The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V.   Power to the Motherboard is from 
 12-48V. W=V*A

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies


 I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption
 on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply
 is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would
 think you would need at least a 3A supply.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

 So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side
 of things?
 I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

 Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to
 confirm power first.

 Brian

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
 I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
 I'm seeing weirdness.

 Do I have enough juice

 Brian


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RE: [WISPA] OT: OpenSER and CCME

2006-09-14 Thread Paul Hendry
We aren't trying to use SCCP handsets with OpenSER. We are trying to get
Cisco CallManager Express to act as the middle man between the SCCP handsets
and our SIP infrastructure. Basically, the client uses CallManager as there
internal PBX with outside lines via the PSTN but they want to use our VoIP
services also.

Scriv, OpenSER is a SIP proxy whereas Asterisk is more of an end device. We
use both in our infrastructure to provide a good mix of resilience and
features.

Cheers,

P.

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If youare trying to use OpenSER, you will need to upgrade the handsets for
SIP, SCCP won't work. If you have access to Cisco support, you can download
the information to convert the handsets to SIP.

John




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Subject: [WISPA] OT: OpenSER and CCME

Hi all,

This is slightly un wireless related but I was wondering if anyone else is
using OpenSER for there VoIP platform and if anyone has managed to get
Cisco
Call Manager Express to work nicely with it? Just spent the last 12 hours
straight trying to get all the SCCP handsets that connect to CCME to then
call through OpenSER and all have the same CLI but it don't want to work :(
 

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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-13 Thread Paul Hendry
Have you tried just using a different PSU with higher voltage and higher
ampage? Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power
injector and the RB532?

P.

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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: 12 September 2006 17:51
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side 
of things?
I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
confirm power first.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
 I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
 I'm seeing weirdness.

 Do I have enough juice

 Brian

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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

2006-09-13 Thread Paul Hendry








I would say that it depends on the
application. The CM9 and the R52 use different generation of Atheros chipset. The
main difference between the 2 chipsets is the newer chipset requires slightly
less power to run and if you are running the card in 10MHz or 5MHz modes it
will only listern to that 10MHz or 5MHz whilst the older CM9 chipset will still
listen to the whole 20MHz.



If you are looking to replace a 200mw 2.4
card then both the CM9 and the R52 may leave some of your clients with a weak
signal so the Atheros based 200mw cards would be the way to go. If you arent
looking to use 10MHz or 5mhz then the CM9 is still a great choice however there
are a couple of other next generation Atheros based cards out there.



Cheers,



P.



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From:
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Sent: 13 September 2006 16:38
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless
card recommendation...





I am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to
move to Mikrotik but am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating
are the CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9s in 5.8 for my
backhauls and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism
radios (2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern
with them is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few
people say they have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the
R52, seems similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there
is no US
distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and
RMAs.



Mark
McElvy
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RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

2006-09-13 Thread Paul Hendry
The 4th gen Atheros cards although they are capable of transmitting at 5MHz,
10MHz, 20MHz and 40MHz they can only listen at 20MHz and 40MHz. The 6th gen
cards however, can both transmit and listen at 5MHz, 10MHz, 20MHz and 40MHz.
An example is that if a CM9 is set to 5GHz-5MHz with a cf of 5805 it will
transmit from 5802.5MHz - 5807.5MHz but will listen on 5795MHz - 5815MHz
which I would imagine could cause problems if you're also using any of the
neighbouring 5MHz channels.

This is my understanding and although I have read about this on various
forums I have not tested the theory.

Cheers,

P.

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Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: 13 September 2006 17:56
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...

Paul,

What do you mean when you say the CM9 listens on the whole 20 MHz when
set to 5 MHz mode?


Lonnie

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 I would say that it depends on the application. The CM9 and the R52 use
 different generation of Atheros chipset. The main difference between the 2
 chipsets is the newer chipset requires slightly less power to run and if
you
 are running the card in 10MHz or 5MHz modes it will only listern to that
 10MHz or 5MHz whilst the older CM9 chipset will still listen to the whole
 20MHz.



 If you are looking to replace a 200mw 2.4 card then both the CM9 and the
R52
 may leave some of your clients with a weak signal so the Atheros based
200mw
 cards would be the way to go. If you aren't looking to use 10MHz or 5mhz
 then the CM9 is still a great choice however there are a couple of other
 next generation Atheros based cards out there.



 Cheers,



 P.



 Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

 http://www.skyline-networks.com




 


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 Sent: 13 September 2006 16:38
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 Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...




 I am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to
Mikrotik
 but am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am
contemplating
 are the CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9's  in 5.8 for my
 backhauls and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW
 Prism radios (2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The
 concern with them is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have
heard
 a few people say they have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have
 seen the R52, seems similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so
 far is there is no US distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue
 except for shipping and RMA's.



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RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies

2006-09-13 Thread Paul Hendry
When I say re-terminations I mean do you have a single cat5 cable from PoE
injector to RB532 or do you use any fly leads. Also, do you terminate the
outdoor cat5 to a connector on the AP then a further internal short cat5 to
the RB532?

Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power
injector and the RB532?

 

Where do I find this info?

Brian


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Paul Hendry wrote:

Have you tried just using a different PSU with higher voltage and higher
ampage? 

yes.  I actually even set up a second test link on the ground with the 
bad board I just took down.  I tested with an extra 11 foot of cat5 
five on my ground test (276, not the 265 in the air).
The ethernet link was fine.  Bandwidth test showed me sending 24mb 
(laptop cpu maxed) vs the 3mb I can send at the tower site.  I can 
receive 14mb (RB cpu maxed) vs the 5mb I get at the tower site.
I have a fancy cable tester coming from a guy I know.  We'll see what it 
finds.

Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power
injector and the RB532?

  

Where do I find this info?

Brian

P.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies

So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side 
of things?
I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain.

Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to 
confirm power first.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  

I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5.
I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply.
I'm seeing weirdness.

Do I have enough juice

Brian



  

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RE: [WISPA] Bragging on Mikrotik

2006-09-06 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi Butch,

It was my understanding that using Mikrotik, EoIP, WDS and RSTP you could
achieve a similar thing with only 1-2 ping drops per handoff between AP's at
least that's what is being claimed by some on the MK forum. We are just
about to test such a setup to facilitate a roaming VoIP solution so 5-7 ping
failures is going to be too noticeable.

Cheers,

P.

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Subject: [WISPA] Bragging on Mikrotik

I want to take this opportunity to share with these lists some 
things that we have recently done with a Mikrotik RouterOS based 
network.  This may seem to some like blatant advertising, but it 
is certainly not intended to be that.

Many of you have looked for a solution that will let you do some of 
the things that we now have working (testing is still underway) 
using pure Mikrotik network.  The network is a 13 AP network 
(2.4GHz) that covers an entire city.  There are a few small areas 
that do not currently have coverage, but these can be filled in 
easily as they are identified.  The network was built by a small 
city in eastern OK (I won't go into detail here). The intent of the 
network was to provide for first responders with access to the 
internet as well as city resources.  In addition to this, the city 
wanted to make the network available for internet access to the 
general public (I don't know the details, but my understanding is 
that local ISPs will handle this part).

Obviously, we needed to make certain that the police, fire and EMS 
units had security from the rest of the network.  We are handling 
this in several ways.  Mikrotik has the ability to create what are 
called virtual APs (a virtual AP is a second AP, with the ability to 
use distinct access-lists as well as distinct security profiles from 
the physical radio card).  That is to say, that the virtual AP 
acts like a second radio card but is, in reality, using only one 
physical radio card.  At any rate, this virtual AP is being used for 
the city's network, while the other ISPs will be using their own 
virtual AP to provide their internet service.

The police, fire and ambulance vehicles will be equipped with their 
own Mikrotik Routerboard with some very interesting capabilities. 
Due to the size of the network, and the need to allow for separation 
of services, we decided to route the entire network.  Allowing 
seamless mobility in this environment presents several unique 
challenges.  First, we must allow the CPE device to connect to 
several APs, insure they do not connect to unknown APs AND make sure 
that we know the IP information as the device moves throughout the 
network.

There are many ways we could have used to accomplish all of this 
(the Mikrotik is just that flexible).  We ended up with the 
following solution, which allows the mobile unit to seamlessly move 
through the network, AND will connect to the strongest AP (it checks 
every 15 seconds).  Mikrotik's scripting host was invaluable in this 
solution.  The script checks the signal level of the currently 
active radio (there is a 2.4GHz AND a 900MHz radio in each CPE) and 
(if it is below acceptable levels), it will search for the strongest 
AP (on either radio), connect to that AP, then proceed to 
reconfigure the CPE so that it works on the network.  Finally, the 
IPSEC tunnel (which is not implemented, yet) will be established and 
normal communications for the IP cams, laptop or whatever other 
equipment is located in the vehicle will resume.

Our initial testing showed that the we could drive through town 
pinging the city hall's server and not drop more than 5-7 pings each 
time we switched APs.  Testing will continue throughout the upcoming 
week and it is likely that we will have to tweak our configuration 
some.

NOW, before some of you start pounding me for being part of a muni 
wifi network solution, let me ease your mind.  The city owns this 
network, and they are allowing for access to the internet, but the 
city will not be selling the access (at least that is my 
understanding).  I don't want to argue this point anyway.  It will 
fall on deaf ears if any of you start it anyway.  :-)

I am not at liberty to provide much detail about the network at this 
time, but I wanted to share this much, as this is an exciting option 
that many of you may have searched for.  I just wanted to let you 
know, that Mikrotik CAN BE CONFIGURED AS A MOBILE NETWORK!  ;-)

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RE: [WISPA] MT on WAR

2006-09-06 Thread Paul Hendry
Different hardware architectures so I doubt it. As far as I know MK doesn't
support Intel IXP-420 which is what the WAR's are.

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Subject: [WISPA] MT on WAR

Hi,

I think someone (Brad?) posted this a while ago, and I don't know if 
there was ever a response or if I just missed it?

Is it possible to put Mikrotik on the WAR 533mhz boards that Star-OS is 
selling? Has anyone done it?

Thanks,

Travis
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RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

2006-08-17 Thread Paul Hendry
So with this MTU increase is there any chance of packet aggregation so we
can make use of it?

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

Tom,

The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high
values if your cards support jumbo frames.  Our WAR board, with its
very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU.  Most other cards
have limits in the 2K to 4K range.

We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the
updated x86 WRAP version.  They  have the same features as the WAR
version.

I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode
that is no longer a 24 hour trial.  It saves settings and everything
works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add
value.  You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and
rip) for free.

We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing,
bandwidth control and our firewall scripting.  We are pretty sure that
more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet
with approval.  Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will
allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding.

We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to
well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB.  It took
a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being
patient.  Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never
reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new
release can do.

Lonnie



On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lonnie,

 When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a
 public announcement.
 If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote
 the feature.
 Thanks.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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 From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2


  It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people
  can go and do whatever they want.  I can imagine people doing some
  vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each
  one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload.
 
  Lonnie
 
  On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lonnie,
 
  I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response.
 
  V3 has support for a fully transparent
   client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP
   system.
 
  That is good news!
 
   License Fee after 1 year.
 
  The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable.
 
   We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every
   device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size.
 
  Great.  To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get
confused
  between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the
  Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for
addition
  of
  VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet
MTU
  above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU
  allowed
  or possibly for passing MPLS).
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
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RE: [WISPA] Re: [Ham-80211] Which PDA to buy as a WiFi Finder?

2006-08-14 Thread Paul Hendry








Nokia E70. Is a mobile + VoIP + wifi + runs
Symbian which has a couple of stumbler type programs. I have one and it means
with a PuTTy for Symbian I can look after my network no matter where I am ;)











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Subject: [WISPA] Re: [Ham-80211]
Which PDA to buy as a WiFi Finder?







I don't know if it'll work on a pda but this program is very
helpful. I use it quite a bit. Won't show non wifi systems, but it
sounds like that's all you need it to do. Best one out there. Most
wireless ISPs I know use it.





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From Don Hamrick/KI5SS,











Ok! I am a newbie with PDAs. Never owned one and didn'tknow much
about them. NowI am doing a fast study on PDAs to find out which PDA is
best to use as a WiFi Finder asits primary use and forother
applications such as Amateur Radio as cascading into its secondary use, if
feasible. My marketing research revealed the following products that fits the
bill for what am looking for. 











I am a merchant seaman. I travel constantly. I want to use a PDA as a
WiFi Finder so that I don't have to pull out my laptop from its wheeled-bag
every time just to check for WiFi availability. It is easier to use a PDA for
this purpose. 











SDIO CARDS:











Socket Go Wi-Fi! P500 - 802.11g SDIO Wi-Fi Card





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Socket Go Wi-Fi! P300 - 802.11g SDIO Wi-Fi Card





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Linksys Wireless-G Compact Flash Card, WCF54G





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WiFi Software











PocketWinc (PDA WiFi Finder
 ConnectivitySoftware)





http://downloads.zdnet.com/download.aspx?kw=pocketwincdocid=206391











Winc (Laptop Wifi Finder
 Connectivity Software)





http://downloads.zdnet.com/download.aspx?kw=wincdocid=206392





I downloaded Winc and installed it. Instantly it became my default WiFi
Connect Utility over Windows barebones utility in the System Tray. I was
impressed with its intuitiveness and ease of use.

















PDA











Looking for a PDA ($300 TO $600 price range) with 802.11g capability so
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RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

2006-08-13 Thread Paul Hendry








Hi Gino,



Thanks for the results. As expected, small
packets seriously damages the available throughput. Do you know if it also
hammers the throughput on your other backhaul links where you use the Spectra
or Atlas? I know a few people have asked Lonnie to incorporate some form of
packet aggregator into StarOS and I even believe one person has offered a
possible solution but no sign of a response which is a shame as the WAR
platform is a very promising piece of kit.



Cheers,



P.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 12 August 2006 19:17
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard
532 and NStreme2





Well Tom,



We are in the same situation as you,
testing backhaul replacements. Our Network backhauls are made of :
Spectras , Gemini, Trango Atlas, Motorola BH units and Proxim MP11a. So
we started looking for a 802.11a based unit, config channels of 5,10,20 and 40
mhz, support for bridging and basic stuff needed for backhauls no fancy stuff.
The are some products available like the Trango Atlas, Solectek among
others but we decided to test Mikrotik RB500 units, we saw the same results as
you did, not very amazed. But, last week I decided to test out StarOS WAR
plataform and let me tell you:



6 mile link with 533 mhz WAR Board with 1
CM9 card each on both sides 23 db flat panel ( -66 on both ends ) One End
connected to a Mikrotik 2.8 ghz Router , my laptop at the other end WAR
board set on bridge mode, connection tracking disabled.



First of all, latency :



1- 64 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 1ms

2- 1500 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 2  3
ms



Nice, thoughput :



20 mhz channel:



TCP : 35 Mbps

UDP: 28 Mbps ( weird, usually is the
opposite )



40 mhz channel:



TCP : 45 Mbps

UDP: 72 Mbps 



For Paul:



20 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte
packets : 5 Mbps

40 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte
packets : 6 Mbps







Pretty darn exiting results! I just need
to iron out a vlan issue with Lonnie.. and I would make this units our defacto
Back hauls





Gino A. Villarini 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Aeronet
Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel
787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 











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Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532
and NStreme2







Task: Test Max Speed doable using Mikrotik NStreme 2
(two MPCI cards in one board).











test environment...











AMD 3Ghz Laptop wired - Mikrotik 532 w/ CM9 -
Mikrotik 532 w/CM9 - wired to HP PIII-800Mhz Laptop.





Connected in a lab environment, zero noise.











Mikrotik OS ver 2.9.28











Test software 1: IPerf TCP running on both Laptops.





Test software 2: Mikrotik Bandwidth test running on
Mikrotiks.











TestMethod 1 (running test
to/fromLaptops): used about 80% CPU power on Mikrotik board to pass the
traffic.











Test Method 2 (running to.from MIkrotik): used about
100% CPU power on Mikrotik.











However, interesting enough, the results of the speed
tests, whichever method used, were just about identical, give or take 1 mbps.











The results of tests were











Maximum speed transferable in one direction 20Mhz
channel: 16.6 mbps.





Maximum speed transferable in both direction
simultaneously (addingtogether the values) 20.8 mbps (13.8 mbps and 7
mbps in the other).





Maximum speed transferable in one direction 10 mhz
channel: 15.8 mbps.





Maximum speed transferable in both directions 10 Mhz
channel: 19 mbps (10.4 mbps and 9 mbps)





Maximum speed transferable in one direction Turbo
Mode speed: 18 mbps





Maximum speed transferable in both
directionsimultaneously Turbo Mode (addingtogether the values):
22mbps.











Note: Turbo mode tested in two configurations, (A)
the lowest 5.8G channel send and highest 5.8G channel for receive, and(B)
5.8Ghz to send and 5.3Ghz receive.





Note: All 5.8Ghz test resultswere at54
mbps speed modulation, and setting it to slower speed/modulation lowered the
test speed results.





Note: Test performed with RSSI somewhere between -60
and-68, without antennas, but w/ high quality pigtails w/Bulk head N,
Pointing N connectors to each other.





Note:Re-tried tests with antennas used, to increase
RSSI (-50 to -60 db), but itdid not improve results.





Note: All tests done when in NStreme2 mode, using
twocards on each end. 





Note: Both boards mounted in Mikrotik Plastic Large
Case (sweet cases) and using 18V (.8amp) via POE.











One thing that was really odd...Mikrotik
has a value for TX rssi and RXrssi. The TXrssi was the exact RX
rssi acheivedat the otehr radio in all cases in any slot, in any
configuration. 





However,the CM9 inthe TOP Slot of
the532board consistently showed an average of 10 db worse TX RSSI.
(sometimes around -75 db). Swapping TX CM9s did not help. TX from the 

RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

2006-08-12 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi Lonnie,

Would be great to see your test results using smaller packet sizes of
100bytes which seems to be around the average packet size for the majority
of the traffic on my network. This test always seems to have a massive
impact on the available throughput and is currently the reason why we use
StarOS for high speed dedicated private lines but Mikrotik w/nstreme for
anything shared.

Tom, can you confirm if your test RB532's had connection tracking disabled
and cpu set at 330MHz? It has been said a few times that N/Streme2 uses too
much CPU for the RB532 however I have seen much better results than your
tests show using N/Streme and a single CM9. There is a company in the UK
that mass produces outdoor grade Mikrotik solutions with 1GHz x86 CPU's so
that the CPU is no longer the bottle neck. We are in the process of tested a
few off the shelf x86 boards in outdoor enclosures using 56byte random TCP
data in both directions at the same time on a single CM9 in turbo mode and
have been able to get 37-38Mbps in both directions (about 75Mbps aggregate)
which seems to be better than most other more expensive options. These
results don't change if we then use larger packets of 1500bytes.

Cheers,

P.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2

If you are interested, here is the real world test results from my
house to the office through a middle repeater, so it involves 4
Atheros radios and three of our WAR4 533 MHz systems.  The middle
repeater has 4 radios, two of which are used in this test.  The end
points are x86 servers, (a 600 MHz P3 and a 2.4 GHz P4  both running
new V3 x86PC) so the test shows available throughput and does not load
the radios with the speed test software.  Our own speed test shows a
bit higher but is in the right ballpark and also uses tcp.


Lonnie

war-platform ~  traceroute 10.10.250.254
traceroute to 10.10.250.254 (10.10.250.254), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  192.168.250.10 (192.168.250.10)  1.017 ms  0.593 ms  0.536 ms
 2  10.10.48.254 (10.10.48.254)  1.426 ms  1.519 ms  1.242 ms
 3  10.10.226.254 (10.10.226.254)  2.176 ms  2.467 ms  2.256 ms
 4  10.10.250.254 (10.10.250.254)  3.058 ms  2.852 ms  2.545 ms
war-platform ~  iperf -c 10.10.250.254

Client connecting to 10.10.250.254, TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 16.0 KByte (default)

[  8] local 192.168.250.1 port 4716 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 5001
[  8]  0.0-10.0 sec  61.6 MBytes  51.6 Mbits/sec
war-platform ~  iperf -c 10.10.250.254 -d

Server listening on TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)


Client connecting to 10.10.250.254, TCP port 5001
TCP window size: 16.0 KByte (default)

[ 10] local 192.168.250.1 port 4717 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 5001
[  9] local 192.168.250.1 port 5001 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 1340
[ 10]  0.0-10.0 sec  25.9 MBytes  21.7 Mbits/sec
[  9]  0.0-10.0 sec  42.6 MBytes  35.6 Mbits/sec
war-platform ~ 
war-platform ~  starutil 10.10.250.254 he1pm3 -rx
rx rate: 5598 KB/sec  (Press Ctrl-C to exit)
war-platform ~ 

Next week I will upgrade our server 100 km away to V3 for x86PC and
report the results for the following system that goes through 4
repeaters (radio in and radio out mid point) and a unit at each end,
so 10 radios are involved.  The remote server does not have iperf but
I have shown the results of our own speedtest which the first test
shows is pretty close to what iperf will show.

war-platform ~  traceroute 10.10.29.1
traceroute to 10.10.29.1 (10.10.29.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  192.168.250.10 (192.168.250.10)  1.031 ms  0.683 ms  0.548 ms
 2  10.10.48.254 (10.10.48.254)  1.701 ms  1.253 ms  1.895 ms
 3  10.10.227.254 (10.10.227.254)  2.737 ms  2.982 ms  2.267 ms
 4  10.10.12.4 (10.10.12.4)  3.649 ms  2.653 ms  2.51 ms
 5  10.10.47.253 (10.10.47.253)  4.644 ms  3.539 ms  3.661 ms
 6  10.10.51.254 (10.10.51.254)  5.651 ms  4.832 ms  5.519 ms
 7  10.14.99.254 (10.14.99.254)  7.248 ms  5.907 ms  5.803 ms
 8  10.10.29.1 (10.10.29.1)  7.314 ms  6.75 ms  5.856 ms
war-platform ~ 
war-platform ~  starutil 10.10.29.1 password -rx
rx rate: 2306 KB/sec  (Press Ctrl-C to exit)
war-platform ~ 



On 8/11/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Task: Test Max Speed doable using Mikrotik NStreme 2 (two MPCI cards in
one
 board).

 test environment...

 AMD 3Ghz Laptop wired - Mikrotik 532 w/ CM9 - Mikrotik 532 w/CM9 -
wired
 to HP PIII-800Mhz Laptop.
 Connected in a lab environment, zero noise.

 Mikrotik OS ver 2.9.28

 Test software 1: 

RE: [WISPA] orthogon gemini lite connectorized

2006-08-08 Thread Paul Hendry
Title: Message








Hey JohnnyO,



Being a big StarOS and Mikrotik user I
have always been curious as to how these compare with the likes of Orthogon. I
always saw the Gemini more as a product to use in NLOS environments. Have you
ever compared Mikrotik on an RB532 with Orthogon in NLOS?



Cheers,



P.











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Sent: 08 August 2006 05:04
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 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] orthogon
gemini lite connectorized







Dylan - save your $$ - use Mikrotik 532s -
SR5s - You will be AMAZED at the performance you'll see - and save 3k to boot !
We have 2 Orthogon Links deployed and hands down Mikrotik makes me smile more
:)











JohnnyO





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Subject: [WISPA] orthogon gemini
lite connectorized

Hi WISPA,

I really, really, *really* need to get my hands on a connectorized OS Gemini
Lite. I've had an order in with Tessco since June 21st and it's been
backordered *again* til the 22nd of August. Clear Channel is not happy! 

So if you're sitting on a connectorized OS Gemini Lite with no plans to use it
before September - help a dues-paying member out!

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RE: [WISPA] Wrap 2 power

2006-08-03 Thread Paul Hendry








There are no new WRAP models on the market
and due to AMD discontinuing the SC1100 CPU, the current WRAP models have a
limited life. I have it on good authority that there may well be a replacement (with
a much faster CPU) this side of Christmas ;)











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I know the old WRAP were 18VDC. And I heard that
they stopped making them.

But, I had never heard of a new WRAP 2

I've moved on to Soekris. And, except for our Tranzeo units, all our POE
is now 48VDC

If the new WRAP is 48VDC, I'd be real interested in it.

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RE: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532A

2006-08-02 Thread Paul Hendry
Mikrotik is builtin. CF is for optional stuff like web caching. Boot it up
and plug a console cable in to access.

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Hi all,

Just got my RouterBoard 532A units.  Thought they had built-in flash 
memory pre-loaded with MikroTik 2.9.+ software.  But when I got them, I 
noticed a CF  card socket..

Anyone know if I orderd the wrong thing by mistake?  I wanted the 
RouterBoard with pre-loaded software.

The RouterBoard 112' s look fine.


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[WISPA] Mikrotik CPE's

2006-07-29 Thread Paul Hendry
Ola,

Anyone know anywhere that has stock of the RIC/522's from Mikrotik? Lead
times direct are 3 - 4 weeks at the mo but we need 20 ASAP to be shipped to
Cyprus.

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RE: [WISPA] SercoNet

2006-07-22 Thread Paul Hendry
Would be interesting to see how long a cable run you could run these over.

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Subject: [WISPA] SercoNet

Mixed Signals
Wireless networks get a boost from phone lines.
Entrepreneur magazine - June 2006

For example, SercoNet is developing a technology that sends Wi-Fi 
signals over your existing phone lines without affecting their use for 
voice or DSL internet access.

http://www.entrepreneur.com/mag/article/0,1539,327728,00.html


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RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-21 Thread Paul Hendry
I am and always have been a StarOS fan. They came out on top when we where
initially tested various products 2 years ago and have been great since
however we had to revisited RouterOS recently when we noticed that the
majority of our traffic was 100 - 200 byte packets which was killing our WAR
based backhaul links.

We tested a pair of WAR board running the latest V3 next to a pair of WRAP's
(yes WRAP's) running RouterOS and found that with small packets the WRAP's
running RouterOS and N-Streme actually outperformed the WAR's. The
conclusion is that if you're looking for a solution that can push a high
amount of large packets the WAR platform from Valemount is great but if you
are looking to load your network with real internet traffic and VoIP then
RouterOS has the edge (at the moment ;).

I am really interested to see the V4 Alvarion product tested side by side a
high spec RouterOS based product like the ones Stephen Patrick's company
produces. I'd also be interested to hear from Alvarion what is better about
their platform than a well built Mikrotik unit.

P

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RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread Paul Hendry
In my experience ATA adapters have always given better quality voice than a
software solution.

P.

www.skyline-networks.com


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

It would be far cheaper to send them a SET-UP CD that includes copies 
of AVS anti-virus, Ad-aware, and other security software. And has a 
softphone client on the CD. Soft Phone can be pre-set.
CD would have to be autoplay with a GUI.

Tom DeReggi wrote:

 I think this would be a great sales pitch.

 Currently send a Linksys ($60) out with every new broadband subscriber 
 at install.
 Why not spend the $18 more and make it a VOIP linksys router with a 
 sticker on the top, plug in phone, goto www.get and instantly 
 activate voice service.
 It could be cheaper to always have the VOIP option sitting there and 
 ready than to market it later?
 (VOIP ATA/Router down to $78, this is super value hard to argue with)
 The only exception might be, I may not want to promote VOIP to all 
 customers, such as with low link quality.

 Tom DeReggi
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RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-16 Thread Paul Hendry
Are these figures in the lab? I have seen similar with a Mikrotik/N-Streme
solution.

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $
6K

So I have more data for you Matt I just received about what firmware 4.0
delivers in terms of frame sizes and what it can mean to the business case.
Remember, this is multipoint, not PtP. All Mbps numbers are NET throughput:

Frame size  Upstream Mbps/FPS   Downstream Mbps/FPS
64  32.18/47893 40.29/59952
128 34.7/29308  43.79/36982
256 37.68/17065 45.03/20392
512 38.41/9025  45.51/10693
102437.02/4432  44.82/5366
128038.93/3743  45.99/4422
151836.69/2982  44.63/3627

This is a dramatic improvement, first in terms of net throughput the numbers
are huge and I am pretty sure no other PMP system can get close to them. But
the main accomplishment is a total leveling of capacity regardless of the
frame size. This results in much higher predictability and ability to
capacity plan. This takes net throughput over 700% higher using small 64bit
frame than the previous version. Frankly it really is an exceptional
achievement that will enable operators to offer very high value services
even to large enterprise. With this version of BreezeACCESS VL an operator
could sell an 8 voice lines/6Mbps of data to 20 enterprise customers in a
single sector with a 5:1 over subscription with a voice MOS of 4.0 or
higher. And with a SOHO type service like 2 voice lines and 3Mbps of data
you could have 160 customers PER sector at a 20:1 over subscription. That
will produce some exceptional ARPU.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

Patrick Leary wrote:

Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2
transort
for carriers.

We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from us 
now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers and 
therefore fixed wireless was a naturally next step. Further, almost all 
indicated they would have done it sooner, but the fixed wireless 
companies they approached weren't willing to offer them layer 2 transport.

How about VoIP? How many of you consider VoIP to be an
important part of your service future as a WISP? If so, how do you plan to
support since it cannot be done decently with the other popular 5GHz
solutions. That's not my opinion so much as the opinion of many larger
Trango and Motorola WISPs I have been talking to lately.

  

We are doing a significant amount of VoIP now. We have VoIP customers 
running on top of both Trango and Canopy radios. Canopy is a 
significantly better solution for VoIP since we can properly prioritize 
voice with Canopy, while we cannot with Trango. We also wholesale VoIP 
to other operators and help them --if they require it-- with getting 
their network ready to support VoIP.

If a key goal of WISPs is growing ARPU, what are WISPs plans for doing that
with whatever your current technology permits?

  

I believe VoIP is the number one way to grow ARPU and the fact that we 
bundle VoIP is why I believe we have one of the highest ARPUs in the 
industry.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Hendry
So that's a no then Tom ;)

Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik)
from/to multiple source/destinations you can generate all sorts of traffic
profiles. You can decide on the size of the packets, layer 4, direction and
even bandwidth so I'd say it's very possible to set-up a test environment
that isn't too far of real world. Anyone else tested?

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 Anyone compared a routed solution with
 a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?

Good question.  But the problem there is creating a real world test 
environment. Convergence, can be tested  somewhat accurately in low network 
utilization situations. To adequately test Jitter/Delay you really need to 
load the network, as that is when the jitter and sparatic latency happens.

Tom DeReggi
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device


 The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in
 routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created
 the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed
 network.

 I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal
 outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network
 on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other
 delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution 
 with
 a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter?


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 Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

 Paul Hendry wrote:

We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?



 Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a
 switched network in terms of covergence speed.

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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-13 Thread Paul Hendry
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for
the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any
latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is
faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level
but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software.
What have you seen?

P.

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Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: 13 June 2006 04:12
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device

We just completed converting our network from routed to bridged.  Where each

AP (we run Mikrotik) used to do its own DHCP and PPPoE to customers and 
speak OSPF to the network, the APs (still Mikrotik) now bridge traffic to a 
regional Mikrotik that handles PPPoE and DHCP for that region.  We are using

RSTP.  In this way, people can roam from one tower to another and their DHCP

lease is still good at the next tower.  A region for us to 3 to 4 counties.

We converted our first region about a month ago and finished the last one 
last weekend.  We're very pleased with the results so far.

Dave

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It is worth noting that you lose the benefits of routing protocols when you
bridge your network

Sure, there's always RSTP... (heh)

Many larger wireless / Wifi based architecture these days seem to be
favoring a layer 3 tunneling / handoff method over a bridged layer 2 network

-Charles

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To clarify

The term I referred to as Double VLAN is not the technically correct name
(thats just what I call it), it is actually called Q in Q as stated by
several in this thread.

One of the reasons this is valuable is for a wholesale network. It basically

allows you to create a single VLAN end to end across your network for a
subscriber or reseller, and still use VLAN for your local needs to operate
your network.

I'll give an example of where I might use VLAN for my network need. I have a

single fiber connection from the basement to the roof.  On the roof I have a

VLAN switch and 6 sector radios. I have a router in the basement.  I could
then seperate data between the different radio traffic by giving a unique
VLAN to the Ethernet port that each sector radio connects to, and route
between them in my basement router.

I'll give an example of where I'd use a VLAN end to end for a reseller.
Reseller has a connection between me and them at one point on my network.
The reseller might provide the backbone and IPs. The client routes the
customers traffic to a specific VLAN when entering my network. I then have
that VLAN configured across my network until reaches the end user's building

router that terminates the VLAN.

Now what happens when the resellers customer (example 2) resides in the
building (example 1)?  Normally two VLANs can't exist simultaneously as teh
switch wouldn;t know which ID to tag data with.  Q in Q VLAN would allow one

VLAN ID to reside in side of another VLAN.  Its the same concept as
tunnelling, except for its not.

Now how does this apply to radios that support Q in Q? Depends. Use your
imagination. The first problem is can the radio pass Q in Q VLAN data?
Second can it tag it? Being able to tag VLAN data at the radio level can be
extremely useful. First off it avoids having to configure a second device
(VLAN switch) that complicates the automation of configurations.  Part of
the Idea is that CLECs and Governement, are all high on Security, and they
do not want to have to coordinate complex IP models between their systems
and the wholesalers, instead they want to be able to send traffic LAyer2 and

seperate traffic so one client does not have the abilty to see the other
client's traffic.  Its sort of an Ethernet way of doing a Private Virtual
Circuit.

The only problem with VLAN is you need to have every component of you
network that passes VLANs to be able to pass large packets so Full MTU can
be delivered to clients. This is one of the limits to Wifi and regular
switches, is many Wifi devices and all non managed switches do not pass
large packets.

Radio like Trango and Alvarion (with Q in Q support) have the abilty to pass

large packets.

The other advantage of VLAN is that when used across a PtMP design and VLAN
support at CPE, it allows doing remote banwdith management based on the
customers circuit ID, and having a way to distinguish and differentiate the
data.

Q in Q, gives the provider flexibilty on how and when they would like to use


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