[WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA

2007-03-28 Thread Rick Smith
Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ?
 
12 Kent Road
Aston, PA 19014
 
I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station.
 
Let me know asap.
 
R
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RE: [WISPA] Need Coverage Help ... PA

2007-03-28 Thread Rick Smith

lol.  I don't care if I make nothin off this one - I have to bill them.

We're doing three of their stations up here in jersey - their fourth is in
aston.

they won't do any if we can't do them all. 

:)

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Rick - it's only because you're a yankee but what half of the customer
are you wanting in this split ? 

JohnnyO

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Anyone cover this location and want to split a customer with me ?
 
12 Kent Road
Aston, PA 19014
 
I imagine there's a tower on-site...it's a TV station.
 
Let me know asap.
 
R
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RE: [WISPA] IPTV

2007-03-27 Thread Rick Smith
fyi, we just switched over a fios customer onto our trango 900 mhz system.
they were so pissed at the up/down constant thrashing of their high speed
fios service...  quite happy with us now :)

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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPTV

I can say that I have always been a gadget freak. I almost always have 
the newest toys (cell phones, laptops, two-way radios, etc.) and I 
usually play with them for a few months, and then put them on ebay. I am 
a technology freak. I love new things (like our newest toy, an 18ghz 
Dragonwave AirPair100). Call me what you will, but I like new technology.

However, I can also tell you that I have a regular POTS line at home 
(pay $35/mo for all features like vmail, call waiting, etc.) and I also 
have DISH network at home. I would never consider using an internet 
connection for TV... EVER. VoIP works for some people (I can always tell 
when I'm talking to someone on a VoIP phone), but I can never see using 
my internet connection for TV... here are a few reasons:

(1) The internet is very unstable. When people want to watch TV, they 
don't want excuses on why it's not working. Imagine the calls you would 
get when a person's internet, telephone and TV are all down because one 
of their PC's is infected with the latest virus or spyware.

(2) I like having things seperate. Seperate bills is a slight issue, but 
with automatic billing now, it all comes out of the checking account 
automatically anyway.

(3) I'm not tied to a single provider. If I want to switch my phone 
service or TV service to something different, I can.

(4) With the free DVR's and 4 rooms hooked up for free from DISH and 
only $29.99 per month for 60+ channels, who is going to compete with 
that? How can anyone provide a sustained 4-6Mbps for up to 4 TV's to 
_every_ subscriber across their network (including the cableco or 
telco's). Even in a small town (say 5,000 population), if the cable 
company had 500 customers, that would be up to 1Gbps of bandwidth needed 
(50% utilization of the 500 subs). There is nobody that can support that 
right now... or even 3-5 years from now.

Before everyone gets too excited about IPTV, we need to look at reality. 
Sure companies like Verizon are doing fiber to the house... we will 
never compete with that... but why try? We will never dominate our 
region... instead, we are happy to pick up the customers that are 
unhappy with the telco or cableco or other wireless provider and want 
internet that just works. That's what we do. Internet. That works.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 sigh

 having no viable options vs. having one's head buried in the sand are 
 two totally different things.

 Boy I'm getting tired of being insulted for having a successful business!
 marlon

 - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:08 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] For George - just because you were thinking of me.


 All,

 Below is Ken's latest Blog post, still a work in  progress, since 
 George brought it up he felt it was appropriate.

 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro

 According to the A.C. Nielsen Co., the average American watches more 
 than
 4 hours of TV each day.
 http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tvhealth.html

 Now, I would be the first to admit that there is an unknown 
 percentage of
 time that the TV is on but not being watched in any given family but 
 even
 if we assume that percentage is close to 50% (which I would guess is 
 high)
 we can see that from the estimated five minutes per day the average
 American spent watching internet video (according to the comScore study)
 we could very well see a jump of some nearly 50 times that amount once a
 full palette of subject matter is presented on the Internet for 
 viewing on
 demand.
 http://www.comscore.com/press/release.asp?press=1264

 And which of society's groups of will be eager to take advantage of free
 Video On Demand? Why the people who can't afford to pay for these high
 dollar services or would prefer not to.

 The next question is, what kind of bandwidth will it take to deliver VoD
 per user? Let me qualify this question by laying some of the assumptions
 that will need to be addressed in this answer.

 First off, on the average Friday night, at 6:00PM, more than 50% of
 American households have more than one TV set on (read as more than one
 continuous video stream playing) and I would suggest this trend will
 continue, if not increase as the net-centric services improve.

 Secondly, if we are talking about IPTV bandwidth needs, we need to
 forecast that a 1.25Mbps sustained stream is necessary for one 
 stream. If
 we move into the realm of high definition we are now looking at a 
 rate of
 14Mbps (uncompressed) with perhaps a chance of delivering reasonable
 

RE: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough

2007-03-27 Thread Rick Smith
yeah, I was reading this article, and I believe it to be FUD.

They were bragging about the ability to backhaul wirelessly between
towers...whoopee...

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Behalf Of Jack Unger
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Subject: [WISPA] Intel Announces Tremendous Breakthrough



 ...one of the big differences between standard Wi-Fi and Intel's 
long-range version lies in the fact that the long-range signals are 
directional: they are tuned to travel from one antenna to another one 
and nowhere else. A standard Wi-Fi antenna broadcasts its signal in a 
360-degree circle... 


http://news.com.com/Intel+modifies+Wi-Fi+to+add+mileage/2100-7351_3-6170713.
html


http://news.com.com/5208-7351_3-0.html?forumID=1threadID=26098messageID=25
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RE: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices

2007-03-22 Thread Rick Smith
first impression, is that the FCC's looking to set prices.

nondiscrimination pops up a lot...  blegh!   
 

You mean Al Gore didn't invent all this ?  /faint/

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Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices

It would be good for all WISPs read this and start to consider their
position and their response.


http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf


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RE: [WISPA] NextLink in Phoenix

2007-03-20 Thread Rick Smith
what hardware ?

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Subject: [WISPA] NextLink in Phoenix

XO Communications today launched broadband wireless services in Phoenix, 
bringing its NextLink wireless footprint to 10 major cities. XO will 
initially deploy in downtown Phoenix but plans its base station sites to 
cover the entire Phoenix metropolitan area including Paradise Valley, 
Scottsdale and Tempe.

XO has Local Multipoint Distribution System licenses in 75 markets-all 
left over from when the former NextLink tried to build a nationwide 
first generation broadband wireless access system for businesses. Like 
all of the initial BWA systems, the NextLink network never got off the 
ground, and when the company changed its name to XO it shelved the 
licenses, only to revive them again last year as an alternative to fiber 
and copper access in its markets.

XO has now launched wireless service in Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, 
Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, San Diego, Tampa and Washington, D.C.

(They don't know where service is available, but it's launched :)

Peter

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[WISPA] FW: [WISP] cost per customer and new toys

2007-03-19 Thread Rick Smith

Can we dupe this conversation over here ?

I'm going to be performing much the same calc today.

I'll fill ya'll in.

- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: [WISP] cost per customer and new toys

 OK, this aughta be fun

 What is your COST per customer?

 We went thought some accounting stuff the other day and tried to figure a 
 few things out.

 Cost of data circuits:
 $2 to $3 per sub

 Cost for bandwidth:
 $1  to $2 per sub

 Cost for aps:
 $1 to $20 per sub

 Office rent:
 $1ish per sub

 Labor:
 $3 to $5 per sub

 Gas:
 $1.5 to $2 per sub

 Insurance:
 $.75 per sub

 Customer acquisition costs (advertising, selling at a loss etc.)
 $50 to $100 per sub (mostly one time in my case)

 I'm sure I've left a lot out.  Right now we've run about a 15% profit 
 margin for the last three years.  That'll go higher with more customers as

 we'll not need bigger data pipes etc. for at least 3x more customers than 
 today. We'll have to upgrade some of our backhauls and ap's but we're in 
 good shape for servers and all of that.

 I also roll my servers out every 3 to 4 years.  Always lots of memory and 
 high end processors.  I've not done raid in quite a while though.

 What to offer next.
 We're working on off site backups.  But we need new servers with LOTs of 
 space.  Not sure I can justify thousands for a good machine with several 
 hundred gigs of storage just for a few $30 per month backup accounts.  I 
 have a server with a couple of 80 gig drives in it, I tried to backup my 
 email, pics and music and filled the drive and crashed the box :-).  I'm 
 also a bit worried about not having the server backed up.  No matter how 
 much we tell people NOT to use our box as their ONLY copy of critical 
 photos, docs etc. they will.

 I'd also like to find a program that'll run on our web server and 
 authenticate against our radius server.  I want my customers to be able to

 have something similar to myspace but though me instead of them.  No luck 
 finding a package for that yet though.

 laters,
 marlon

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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith

Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to the
antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the rubber joint is - then
mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic.

This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back up,
you slice down to the tape inside, and it peels right off quickly without
fighting the mastic.

Since I started doin this, I've NEVER had a moisture problem.

Also, wrap it when it's dry outside so you don't lock humidity into it...
temperature changes will then just wreak havoc on you.

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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:29 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been installing
outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see
fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the
occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We use
the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not like
having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get these
problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans out
there are doing to make sure the water stays out.
Thanks,
Scriv

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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith
nod, WTF! :) 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

I taught Rick this after he learned the hard way ! ;)

CampWTF for life ! 

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:43 AM
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Thanks Rick. I will pass this along to our techs so they can start
implementing this. I know they seal the heck out of things and it is really
bizarre to me how any water is getting in there but it is. If they have
questions about your process they may be  contacting you directly.
Many thanks,
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:

Scotch Super 33 tape over the connectors, right close as you can get to
the
antenna, all the way down the lmr past where the rubber joint is -
then
mastic over that - then 33 again over the mastic.

This is called a courtesy wrap, cause if you ever have to open it back
up,
you slice down to the tape inside, and it peels right off quickly
without
fighting the mastic.

Since I started doin this, I've NEVER had a moisture problem.

Also, wrap it when it's dry outside so you don't lock humidity into
it...
temperature changes will then just wreak havoc on you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

I would like a bit of feedback from those of you who have been
installing
outdoor antennas for a while. I have a problem that I would like to see 
fixed. It seems that after every long rain we see problems with the 
occasional connection outside at the antenna getting water into it. We
use
the Scotch seal mastic tape to seal the connections. The guys do not
like
having to climb and they work hard to try to make sure we do not get
these
problems and yet they come back. I would like to hear what you veterans
out
there are doing to make sure the water stays out.
Thanks,
Scriv

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RE: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress

2007-03-16 Thread Rick Smith
not if you squeeze the mastic up over the nut close to the antenna N
connector, and over the ends of the tape near the heat wrap...then it's
sealing off the courtesy wrap inside... 

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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:23 PM
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I'm going to have to argue with you guys

The purpose of the Mastic tape is that it creates a bond that fills the
nooks and cranties of the item that you are waterproofing. So that if the
Super88 leaks, it can't get to the connector.
The two biggest places water gets into the connection is the two ends where
the taping ends, NOT just condensing through the material. If you use Super
88 on the inside layer, you are creating a CONDUIT for moisture to pass
through, IF water enters in through one of the two ends (far edges of
taping). It is VERY difficult to get a complete seal where the tape toughes
the Antenna and the end of the connector, reason being the antenna surface
is perpendicular to the connector you are wrapping.  Doing it the way you
are suggesting is definately easy to remove the tape, but it leaves the
connector vulnerable to a poor seal at the edges, if that occurs.  I'd argue
that doing it that way, is taking away the benefit of why you use Mastic
tape in the first place. Super88 is meant primarilly just for UV resilient.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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[WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
Is there anywhere online that actually states WHAT we will need to provide ?

I.e. data format, etc.  - It was my impression that this was still under
discussion at the FBI...

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[WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith

I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2

with currently one customer on it.

He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain
Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and
some time-outs.

I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5
devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection
just flaps like crazy because of the latency.  

Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's a
hotspot on a rooftop)

But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this.  A drive up to the hotspot
with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his
other computers with a wifi card in it.

Things to look for / do ?

R



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RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith

yeah, 100' away from the pop.  across the street (dead side street, antenna
way up above car level)

This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're the
first on the repeater...


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

History? Did it ever work?

Distance? 100' from the POP?

The signals are too hot.

jack


Rick Smith wrote:
 I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2
 
 with currently one customer on it.
 
 He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain
 Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and
 some time-outs.
 
 I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5
 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection
 just flaps like crazy because of the latency.  
 
 Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's
a
 hotspot on a rooftop)
 
 But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this.  A drive up to the
hotspot
 with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his
 other computers with a wifi card in it.
 
 Things to look for / do ?
 
 R
 
 
 

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RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
yep, no matter which channel. 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type of behavior
in a high noise environment. Does it persist through all channels?

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Rick Smith wrote:
 yeah, 100' away from the pop.  across the street (dead side street, 
 antenna way up above car level)

 This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're 
 the first on the repeater...


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms

 History? Did it ever work?

 Distance? 100' from the POP?

 The signals are too hot.

 jack


 Rick Smith wrote:
   
 I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2

 with currently one customer on it.

 He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High 
 Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms 
 pings and some time-outs.

 I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 
 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network 
 connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency.

 Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected 
 (it's
 
 a
   
 hotspot on a rooftop)

 But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this.  A drive up to the
 
 hotspot
   
 with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of 
 his other computers with a wifi card in it.

 Things to look for / do ?

 R



 

   

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RE: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

2007-03-12 Thread Rick Smith
u got it.

Verizons of the world are out there saying $100k for a way to stop terrorism
?  NO PROBLEM!

Those little guys must be sucked up and put out of business, so we can
prevent another 9/11

argh what a crock of $**7! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?

I see little benefit to protesting the Calea/DOJ judgement, as compliance is
a mute point, if it were easy and cost effective to comply.
A preferred method to proceed is to lobby for what changes in standards they
need to make to allow it to be easy to conform.
DOJ doesn't concern itself with HOW to conform, they aren't ISPs and
knowledgeable in our business. Its our job to educate them on our
capabilties.
I'd argue that its teh TELCOs, that are the enemies on this issue, that have
been very involved with the officials on this matter, and probably
purposefully did not lobby for standards that would be easy for their
competitors to comply to.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea - what will we need to provide ?


 On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:20 -0400, Peter R. wrote
 During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ
 clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA
 compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ.

 Oh, please.  The DOJ doesn't write law.  the DOJ wants EVERYTHING.  If it
 were up to them, they would intercept every packet of data and every voice
 transmission, and they've all but said so.  Too bad.  That's wrong, and
 that's the truth.


 Your statements take us back to all the lobbying efforts that
 CLEC's and ISP's have ever done: Don't regulate us - just them.
 That's not how it works.

 If you'd read what I say, instead knee-jerk reaction, you'd know this was
 wrong.


 You want UL spectrum. You want more of it.
 But this is not a one-way street.

 I have to give up my constitutional rights to get the FCC to carry out 
 it's
 assigned duties?  Hell no!


 To get you have to give.
 You have to fill out your forms without whining so much.
 You have to be able to help the Department of Justice catch the bad
 guys - without the bad guys knowing.

 Again, here we go again.  You make up stuff and then slam me for it.  I 
 don't
 get it.  CALEA is not applicable law.  It is WRONG for the feds to require

 US
 to pay for what they want.  Period.

 Do you not get that?   That's why CALEA contained a half billion dollars, 
 to
 fund the changes that they wanted implemented, and it was a VERY NARROW 
 LAW.

 Just because the DOJ and FBI suddenly show up and ask for the moon is no
 reason under the sun to even suggest we should go along with it.  They 
 don't
 write the law, AND CONGRESS DID NOT WRITE ANY LAW TO APPLY TO US!  The
 FCC has misapplied via opinion that it does, when it does not.


 Polling the WISPs. Yeah! They'd answer. You can't get them to fill
 out a poll or a form.

 Not when it comes to begging the feds to do us in, of course not.


 When Patrick says herding long tail cats in a roomful of rocking
 chairs, he is almost accurate.
 (It is actually MUCH harder than that in this industry).

 The squeaky wheels are few but much larger than the silent majority.
 But typically they can ruin it for the lot.

 RUIN  Ruin what?  Do you ACTUALLY think all this stupid brown-nosing 
 is
 going to buy us something?   Please.  That's being more gullible than the
 emperor's cheering squad.

 Those of us who have the guts to speak up are the only ones who appear to
 have ANY interest in your future at all.




 
 Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
 Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
 541-969-8200

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RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid

2007-03-11 Thread Rick Smith
no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands.  They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho,
because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and
not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power.  Problem
is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time.

How far away is this from you ?

I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end,
leaking.

Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid


If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.  
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible.  Also, it 
may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple.

A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order.  
Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much 
recourse.  This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the 
final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum.

Good luck in your battle.

Bob



Ray  Jean wrote:

 Travis
 Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that 
 could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol  
 omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 
 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it 
 gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the 
 power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the 
 area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not 
 on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we 
 could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could 
 create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize 
 this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might 
 encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe.
 Thanks
 Ray Hill
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid


 Hi,

 You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
 from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Ray  Jean wrote:

 Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we 
 have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on 
 how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning 
 system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor 
 at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 
 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole 
 band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The 
 walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call 
 the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt 
 security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request 
 it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional 
 manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We 
 have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no 
 reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to 
 resolve this problem?
 Thanks
 Ray Hill
 surfmore. net



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RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid

2007-03-11 Thread Rick Smith
tell your customers to go to wal-mart and complain J

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid

 

The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you try and
resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be SCREAMING after the
first hour of downtime.

The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing customers.

Travis
Microserv

Rick Smith wrote: 

no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands.  They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho,
because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and
not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power.  Problem
is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time.
 
How far away is this from you ?
 
I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end,
leaking.
 
Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;)
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
 
 
If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.  
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible.  Also, it 
may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple.
 
A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order.  
Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much 
recourse.  This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the 
final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum.
 
Good luck in your battle.
 
Bob
 
 
 
Ray  Jean wrote:
 
  

Travis
Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that 
could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol  
omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 
customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it 
gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the 
power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the 
area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not 
on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we 
could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could 
create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize 
this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might 
encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe.
Thanks
Ray Hill
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
 
 
Hi,
 
You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
 
Travis
Microserv
 
Ray  Jean wrote:
 


Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we 
have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on 
how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning 
system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor 
at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 
of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole 
band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The 
walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call 
the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt 
security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request 
it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional 
manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We 
have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no 
reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to 
resolve this problem?
Thanks
Ray Hill
surfmore. net
 
  

 
  
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RE: [WISPA] Walmart

2007-03-11 Thread Rick Smith
yeah?  Wait'll 700 mhz is unlicensed.  Talk about the perfect rfid spectrum.

fUn

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 9:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart

When we were in DC a couple years ago they told us that rfid was going 
900 so beware. You've just re - emphasized that fact.
S0 now we know, 900 is even worse for us to use than we previously realized.



Ray  Jean wrote:
 Hey All
 We really appreciate you taking the time to offer your ideas on how to
 resolve our problem.We have decided that switching to Hpol and sectors
will
 be our fastest and cheapest way to resolve the issue which in the long run
 is probally a good idea to avoid future problems.We may try some of the
 legal and publicity suggestions that were mentioned,but in the short term
it
 looks like walmart wins.By the way we are located approx  2000 ft LOS from
 their docks.again thanks for all the advice.
 Ray Hill
 surfmore.net

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RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid

2007-03-11 Thread Rick Smith
think this'll be true @ my local wal mart too ?   I'm about 1000 feet from
one.

Just do a 900 mhz survey in their parking lot ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rwf
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:00 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] walmart rfid

Which quote from the FCC regs?
The one that says You must accept any interference or the one that says
you may not cause any interference to a licensed service

If you can show them a license, you might have them on the second one.
Unfortunately, they have YOU on the first one.

They may not even be subject to the 36dB rule anyway.

Better to do what you can to avoid the interference using technology
(frequency change, shielding, antenna polarity, more gain on your subscriber
antennas - using a type certified antenna for your certified radios, of
course.

Otherwise in a p#$$ing contest with the USA's largest retailer, I think I
know who would win. They have invested heavily in RFID and they and Home
Depot have pretty much singlehandedly set the standard for requiring their
suppliers to go to it.  I know, because in an earlier life, I rolled out
RFID for another very large company who is one of their biggest suppliers
and this company (which has the world's most recognized trademark) JUMPS
when Walmart says jump!

The reason I emphasize certified is that when you do engage them, they
have a lot better arsenal than you and you want to be squeaky clean.

Where is the store in relation to your affected tower site?

Ralph



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid

How far is this from your site?  Are they exceding 36db ERP?

If they are exceding ERP and you can prove it by taking spectrum analyser
out there have your lawyer send a certified letter to ADT and Walmart
manager with this info and quotes from FCC rules and regulations.

If there not exceding any limits you may SOL and your only option is to work
around them.  Sectorize your site.

Matt


 Hello List
 We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable
to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The
problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock
which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point
by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is
operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and
get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and
refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is
adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request
it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager
actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very
polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like
jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem?
 Thanks
 Ray Hill
 surfmore. net

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[WISPA] How many WISPs ?

2007-03-10 Thread Rick Smith
1) How many are there total - anyone know ?

2) How many are registered here and listening

3) How many are members of WISPA ?

4) How do we start calling other WISPS and get them to join WISPA ?


3,000 x $270 / year = lobbying $$$.
100 x 270 / year = joke.

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RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

2007-03-10 Thread Rick Smith
heh.  My closest tower is 282 miles from there.

LOL

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of JohnnyO
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:14 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

How far away are you from that location ?

JohnnyO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tim Wolfe
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

If it is that great?, maybe we should hang an AP and get busy?. Do you 
know any good consultants that could show us how to do it?., LOL! :-$


JohnnyO wrote:
 It's a great area sir ! 

 JohnnyO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Tim Wolfe
 Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NorthWest PA / SouthEast PA - Service Needed

 Hey Johnny, I would love too, but that one would require one heck of a

 PtP shot!. I don't think there is anyone there??.




 JohnnyO wrote:
   
 Can Anyone service this location 
  
 Link to a google map -   Location

 

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=41+39+13+-79+28+53layer=ie=UT
   
 F8z=9ll=41.752873,-79.035645spn=0.850327,2.768555om=1  to be
 serviced 
  
 How about Saxton PA 
  
 Regards,
  
 JohnnyO
   
 

   

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[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th

2007-03-08 Thread Rick Smith
well, it's been awesome for us.   We've already sold a couple of hotspot
management packages locally just based on the fear that the FBI will come
knocking.

I'm really hoping that CALEA requirements settle down to allowing tcpdump /
ethereal captures...  This is what WISPA should be lobbying for ... It'll
create a grass-roots industry just to solve that problem, ala Y2k.

-Original Message-
From: Doug Ratcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:38 PM
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th

So are networks such as free muni-Wifi going to be CALEA also?  How would a
free network ever be CALEA compliant?  Is every hotspot out there going to
need CALEA compliance as well?   I mean, a paid hotspot operator behind a
firewall is just as much as WISP as we all are.  Should they be filing a
form 477 too?  What makes their facilities any less important than my
facilities?   If I operate a hotspot-style network, do I become exempt for
CALEA?  I'd like to see Starbucks, McDonalds, Krystals, Dennys be forced to
install CALEA equipment... Yeah right.  I ought to just operate a totally
anonymous prepaid hotspot network and then I won't worry about subpoenas
because I have no information.

I just don't understand this, in one breath the government says The US is
behind the rest of the world in broadband growth  and in the next breath
they say Buy this super-expensive equipment in order to operate.  Next,
they drag around with 3650, make it NOT usable with current 3.5 equipment
that's TDD/FDD.  They offer USF to telcos but not us to expand into rural
areas.  I'm starting to think they don't want us little guys around.  We've
got broken equipment on towers we don't have money to replace.  Now they
want us to buy something that will be used on less than 75 customers that
are all legitimate businesses anyways.

This is ridiculous.

- Original Message - 
From: S.Y.W.S.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th


 What is the form number of this now?.

 Their site doesn't really help with the key word search.

 What if you already told the FCC back in Feb you were not going to be
 compliant
 by March ??, and they already talked to you about it?

 We have your information, if anything comes up with your service we have
 your contact
 information.

 I told them there was no way I could afford, the software, hardware of TTP
 service. I also
 told them I would have to have them provide financial aid if it was ever
 required I be compliant
 as per their own section for subsidizing the costs.

 Also the way I understand it, if you have good customers. We have only
 received a court order
 once for emails relating to one user in 12 years. Simple live forward
worked
 great. They received
 a copy of every email they sent and received. Might not have much to worry
 about anyway.

 We cut their access after it was done.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
 Cc: wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:32 PM
 Subject: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th


  Hi All,
 
  Sigh.  More law enforcement fun due next week.
 
  As you all know by now, we had to file an FCC form 445 a couple of weeks
  ago.  That was a form telling the FCC how we're doing at becoming CALEA
  compliant.  Now we have to tell them what our policies will be when
we're
  hit with a CALEA action.  That's what Monday's filing is all about.
 
  WISPA has worked on this issue with telecom attorney Kris Twomey.  He's
  worked with us WISPs for a long time and ran a plan past the WISPA board
  for SSI procedures.  We're recommending Kris' handbook as either your
  policy or a starting point for one of your own.
 
  If you want Kris to help you you'll have to send him the following
  information:
  Full company info.
  example:
  Marlon K. Schafer dBa Odessa Office Equipment
  box 489
  107 S. 1st Street
  Odessa Wa.  99159
  (509) 982-2181
 
  Primary contact:
  Marlon K. Schafer
  office line
  cell phone
  pager
 
  Alternate contact:
 
  Hours available:
  24/7 as cell phone coverage allows
 
  Etc.
 
  Kris has worked out a great platform for this.  The cost to have him
file
  for you is $250.  If you are a WISPA member it's $100.  You'll have
until
  March 12 to join
  WISPA and get the WISPA rate...
 
  Here's Kris' explanation of what this is and his contact info.  Please
  direct questions directly to Kris as I don't know enough about this to
  answer any :-)
 
  First a little background. About a year ago, the FCC required all
  facilities-based broadband and VoIP providers to ensure that they are
  CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007. CALEA stands for Communications for
  Law Enforcement Act, and 

[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th

2007-03-08 Thread Rick Smith
I've been there with the crew, before the days of WISPA, but I don't get
down there much, cause I don't have the time / money :)

When I do, I will!

-Original Message-
From: geowires [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:02 AM
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] More CALEA deadlines. Monday March 12th

Rick Smith wrote:
 well, it's been awesome for us.   We've already sold a couple of hotspot
 management packages locally just based on the fear that the FBI will come
 knocking.
 

There is a good group going back to DC the 2nd I believe.
Lets see what they bring back.
Why haven't you gone to DC for WISPA, your just an Amtrack away?

George

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RE: [WISPA] 900 mhz BPF

2007-03-06 Thread Rick Smith
this ? http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4

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Subject: [WISPA] 900 mhz BPF

A little while back someone posted a source for 900 mhz BPF they  
intended to use with a 900 Mhz MT AP.  Could you post that again?

Thanks
Chris


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RE: [WISPA] Justice Department Takes Aim at Image-Sharing Sites

2007-03-06 Thread Rick Smith
yeah interesting quote...

Only universities and libraries would be excluded, one participant said.
There's a PR concern with including the libraries, so we're not going to
include them, the participant quoted the Justice Department as saying. We
know we're going to get a pushback, so we're not going to do that. 

How about we push back ? :)


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[WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?

2007-02-28 Thread Rick Smith
Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?

2007-02-28 Thread Rick Smith
...yet... 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?

At least their not trying to stream the content.
-RickG

On 2/28/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up.

 http://www.apple.com/appletv/


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RE: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?

2007-02-28 Thread Rick Smith
I've got a great case study I'm gonna write up and PDF soon.

My brother-in-law was a yankee fan.  They decided to church plant in Prague
- yep, czech...

He bought an extra receiver for my dad's directv, plugged it into a
slingbox, plugged it into dad's wireless connection (trango 900 - 22 miles
from my tower, then 12 from there to my noc) and watches yankee games on the
Yes network from prague through my network :)

works awesome - because of the time difference, I sometimes pull up DirecTV
on my laptop during the day through the sling player.   

Uses about 120k right now on a constant stream to get good quality tv.  If I
let it go unlimited it'll eat up to 768k

R 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Comroe
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?

I haven't been following compression formats all that closely but I've been
amazed what things like SlingBox can do with only a couple hundred
kiloBITS/second (not even kilobytes/sec).  I think it's microsoft asf (is
that mpeg4?) and I've seen good quality sent UPSTREAM from customer cpe
(within the typically lower upstream cap).

Rich
  - Original Message -
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  To: WISPA General List
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone Seen AppleTV yet ?


  Rick Smith wrote:
   Wonder what kinda bandwidth this will eat up.
  
   http://www.apple.com/appletv/
  Not much more than what your customers are already using. Basically, it
  lets you watch purchased content from iTunes on your television. iTunes
  has sold TV shows for quite a while now.

  If it tried to stream content, there might be an issue, but AFAIK it
  doesn't do that.

  Heck, aside from the iTunes hook, a soft-modded Xbox makes a much
  better media center, and you can probably find one at your local pawn
  shop for fifty bucks. :-)

  David Smith
  MVN.net

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RE: [WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc

2007-02-28 Thread Rick Smith
That's fine, as long as they file their CALEA and 477 Forms :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc

What if they wanted to share the network but only with people who
could figure that out? =-)

On 2/28/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick Smith wrote:
  Can't vendors make it so that whatever you use as the securing KEY can't
be
  contained in the hostname, essid or anywhere else ?  Common Sense...
 
 I'm sure they could, but as soon as a customer decides this is what they
 want to do, and can't, angry phone calls will ensue.

 No matter how silly the request, it's pretty much guaranteed that
 someone, somewhere, will actually WANT to set up their network that way
 and have reasons that are (at least in their own heads) perfectly valid
 for wanting to set it up in that way and no other. A friend of mine uses
 WPA and made the network key his SSID, but that was actually his
 honeypot network. (He's a little cracked like that.)

 David Smith
 MVN.net


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[WISPA] STOOPID linksys / netgear / etc

2007-02-27 Thread Rick Smith
happened to open my laptop in town to work on a hotspot of mine today.

Say an interesting essid... f6a13. and it was locked down.

Well, I noticed that it was 10 digits, and when I signed on to it and
happened to type that into the WEP KEY area as well, it WAS THE WEP KEY to
use to sign onto it.

So, this is the way people are going to start sharing now ?

Can't vendors make it so that whatever you use as the securing KEY can't be
contained in the hostname, essid or anywhere else ?  Common Sense...

Argh.

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RE: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-25 Thread Rick Smith
maybe WISPA needs to be describing these better, in advance as opposed to
the last minute...

if all our comments were the FIRST posted, wouldn't that look better?

What's out there that we should be looking at NOW as opposed to later...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

The cut and paste is ok, but that's just more junk for people to read.  The 
FCC has told me that the association needs to file, but that should also be 
backed up with individual filings.  Even if it's just to say that you agree.

What I wish is that more people knew the issue better so that they could 
file on their own in their own words.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Is it enough ?


 Other  people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions.

 Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments.

 I don't think that's enough!  I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut 
 and
 paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with.

 At the LEAST fully state your position!

 We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner.

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RE: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-25 Thread Rick Smith
actually.  Don't laugh.  We should talk.

In my new life as a company, I've got a Director of Sales on board that's a
(very) politically connected guy in Northern NJ as well as Washington.

I'm bringing him up to speed slowly, as I need him to get selling :)  BUT,
one of the things I will do soon is get him on board here.

This guy's a heavy hitter and we actually have a very good friend of ours
that's a congressman in DC.. 

More soon.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

Yeah, being on time is nice.  And we've already filed a couple of times on 
this issue over the years that it's been around.

It all takes time and I don't always have as much as it takes to learn the 
issues, talk to others, work with others (like NAF, MAP, Cisco, Intel, ieee,

etc.).

If you'd like to join the fcc committee.  grin
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Is it enough ?


 maybe WISPA needs to be describing these better, in advance as opposed to
 the last minute...

 if all our comments were the FIRST posted, wouldn't that look better?

 What's out there that we should be looking at NOW as opposed to later...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Is it enough ?

 The cut and paste is ok, but that's just more junk for people to read. 
 The
 FCC has told me that the association needs to file, but that should also 
 be
 backed up with individual filings.  Even if it's just to say that you 
 agree.

 What I wish is that more people knew the issue better so that they could
 file on their own in their own words.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:10 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Is it enough ?


 Other  people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions.

 Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments.

 I don't think that's enough!  I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut
 and
 paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with.

 At the LEAST fully state your position!

 We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner.

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[WISPA] Is it enough ?

2007-02-24 Thread Rick Smith
Other  people in 04-186 are posting fully written positions.

Other WISPs are just filing I agree with WISPA... comments.

I don't think that's enough!  I think, AT THE WORST, that you should cut and
paste WISPA's filing if that's what you agree with.

At the LEAST fully state your position!

We look like easily corralled cows following the leader into the corner.

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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
yep, rural NJ.  Northern.  ALL hills, ALL trees.

Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and
now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested.

I need to get a feel on realistic projections.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Joe Laura
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour
days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then
actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a
mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not
others. Are you in a rural area?
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
- Original Message -
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member
List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...


 Couple questions for you:

 1) How did you get funding ?

 2) How many customers are you up to so far ?

 3) How many installations per month / week / day ?

 4) How did they find you ?  Advertising methods...


 I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in
 because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a
 meeting of the minds tonight.  I figured no better place to get the answer
 than existing WISPs.

 Offlist, if need be.  This will be private for me only, just for
 information.

 thanks

 R


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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
actually, I've been told the opposite.  Buyers of your company want
as close to zero liability as possible.  Especially when they will probably
come in and replace your gear with theirs.  If the two seem to match,
you only win bigger...

Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential
buyer.  And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ?  The ones building
to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs.

We're building to sell.  Major network - owning all pieces.  Banks have
allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for
18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral
nonetheless...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

Lonnie,

I do not controdict your comment.  I have chosen your same path.  I have 
zero financing, and own in full a half million dollars worth of hardware 
that is installed.
I was just pointing out the compromise. I now have a $10,000 a year property

tax bill.  The bank laughs at me, when I try and use the installed equipment

as colladeral for future funding. The only value that the installed gear has

to me, is it enables me to serve clients and generate revenue. Meaning its 
better for me to own my company, and continue to receive my revenue that I 
have enabled to have come in.  But I truly believe a company will appraise 
for more, if the gear is leased instead of owned. The truth is a leased 
radio generates the same amount of cash as an owned one.  But just like a 
car, the second it is driven off the lot it loses half its value on day one.

Nobody ever puts fair value on used gear, they don't look at it as a revenue

enabler. However, when you lease, you have acheived finance and capitol, 
which is hard to come by, freeing up the buyer's capitol and borrowing 
capabilty. And showing a business model that is cash flow friendly 
optimizing survival.

So if you are building to sell, lease the gear. If you are building to own, 
pay cash, and save every point you can.  Because if you plan to stay owner, 
why do you have to justify anything to anyone at your expense?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...


 An asset is something that you own.  I consider anything that is not
 paid for to be a liability.  An asset that you own can be enjoyed and
 can make money for you.  If it is paid for in a mere two to three
 months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a
 profit for years to come?

 Lonnie

 On 2/20/07, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment.

 SNIP
  My view is, what good is an asset if no one will lend against
 it?
 SNIP
 Good luck with your ventures.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
Telcos.  They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the
little guys out of business.  It'll just be a matter of time and money, and
we don't have much of either.

Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us
5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today ?

Look at it this way.  If you're building to sell, you're building  fast and
furious right now, just to put yourself in the way of the next one that
comes along.

At some point you're going to amass enough users to make it more attractive
to the Verizons and the SBC's of the world to  just buy you out instead of
marketing to all your customers, who are really happy campers and don't WANT
to switch.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of wispa
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

 And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ?  The ones 
 building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs.
 

I'm curious about why you think this, Rick...



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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
Oh, I've been in the partnership thing, got screwed, and was lucky enough to
figure out how to negotiate for 100% ownership of the company that I built
and my deadbeat partner didn't help with.

So, now here I stand, smarter for the experience, but also looking at a pool
of vultures ready to hand me money but wanting 75% equity.  lol.  yah.

Came out of meetings today with a whole bunch better group of people, and my
stance is to never own less than 51%.  At least this group respected that.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

Rick Smith wrote:
 actually, I've been told the opposite.  Buyers of your company want
 as close to zero liability as possible.  Especially when they will
probably
 come in and replace your gear with theirs.  If the two seem to match,
 you only win bigger...
 
 Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a potential
 buyer.  And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ?  The ones building
 to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs.
 
 We're building to sell.  Major network - owning all pieces.  Banks have
 allowed us up to 50% face value of the equipment to borrow against for
 18 months on a relatively higher rate of interest (9 or ), but collateral
 nonetheless...
 

Rick, you've been around the block, your a smart guy, don't think there 
is a whole lot your missing.

The only advice I would give you, is if you do another partnership, 
clearly define your partners exit in agreeable terms before you enter 
into an agreement. Like you will be the owner and he will be leaving and 
here is what he is getting and how he is going to get it.

Also watch that you don't make the next guy the major stakeholder if 
he decides to drag you into bankruptcy.

George
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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
I agree, if I had the capital to keep going. :(

NEED to bring in financing, and I've done all that work by myself. Need
people to help grow it faster / further, and that all takes $$$ too.

R

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then
my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the
profit will happen.  If you bring in new money and new people my
feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the
same.  Trying to meet too many expectations is not a good thing and
ruins your focus.

Lonnie

On 2/20/07, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yep, rural NJ.  Northern.  ALL hills, ALL trees.

 Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff,
and
 now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested.

 I need to get a feel on realistic projections.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Joe Laura
 Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:10 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

 I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour
 days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then
 actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a
 mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but
not
 others. Are you in a rural area?
 Superior Wireless
 New Orleans,La.
 www.superior1.com
 - Original Message -
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 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org; 'Principal WISPA Member
 List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:51 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...


  Couple questions for you:
 
  1) How did you get funding ?
 
  2) How many customers are you up to so far ?
 
  3) How many installations per month / week / day ?
 
  4) How did they find you ?  Advertising methods...
 
 
  I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been
in
  because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at
a
  meeting of the minds tonight.  I figured no better place to get the
answer
  than existing WISPs.
 
  Offlist, if need be.  This will be private for me only, just for
  information.
 
  thanks
 
  R
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Smith
Same direction I'm headed, but the big catch is debt free

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

Yeah I disagree.  If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get 
run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a 
big company tends to pay more for roof rights.  When I'm debt free, not sure

how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still survive. 
Maybe not yet, but in a couple more years, thats where I'll be.  I'm already

on my Gigabit backbone plans, fiber isn't necessarily a killer either. I 
agree that Wireless was meant to be a transition product, but once its in 
place, not sure it will get wiped out. Even for a redundancy play it has a 
life of another 10-20 years.  And anyway you slice it the big boys will 
never be able to offer personal service.  I could stay in this business for 
quite awhile if I want to.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...


 And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ?  The ones
 building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs.


 I'm curious about why you think this, Rick...



 
 Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
 Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
 541-969-8200

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RE: [WISPA] No, Patrick, it's not about the stickers...

2007-02-19 Thread Rick Smith
This could be the same path as the arguments for and against Open Source are
taking these days.

In the end, Open Source is winning...

However, I see a bad apples component to Mark's argument. If the rules
are to allow us to mix / match any individually certified components
into a whole new component, there will be some idiots out there that
will throw an amplifier or whatever else in between, just to be different

That's what the FCC is scared of...junk all over the place.

I see nothing wrong with piecing together components like Mikrotik, WRAP
boards, CM9's, SRx's, etc. as long as we stay within the technical limits
of the law.   there are those here that will scream at me (us, and don't 
forget that..) for doing this, and to those I say, go certify it!

I have an idea though.  Well, a repeat idea.  I'm not sure how the 
certification process works, but wouldn't it be interesting to get all
these open source pieces certified by the FCC, and then put it to bed ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of wispa
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] No, Patrick, it's not about the stickers...

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:32:42 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote
 Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry?
 Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated 
 to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now 
 been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker
conscious?
 Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I 
 don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be 
 legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range 
 from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -
 - that's cheap.

No, Patrick, it's NOT about the sticker.  It's about the fact that I can
assemble a geek squad of a few people, that, using freely available software
and cheap and easily available hardware, can BUILD FOR OURSELVES better
priced and 'better suited for WISP use' equipment in a few weeks than
Alvarion, Motorola and Trango have managed to do in years.  

Not only are we better, we're faster, we advance quicker, and we do more
with less, AND CAN PRODUCE IT ALL COMPLIANT WITH THE TECHNICAL LIMITS OF THE
LAW, faster than any larger company can dream of doing.  Why?  Because we
live in a free country and we have free minds.  But we can't do it legally.
Why?  
Because the rules now PREVENT us from doing it and protect the interests of
Alvarion and Motorola, rather than enhance the industry. 

It's because the best and brightest DO NOT build systems.  The best and
brightest at building sofware are building software.  The best and brightest
at building cheap radios are doing so.  And the rest of us are assembling
the parts we need to do the job that NO MAKER OF CERTIFIED GEAR HAS YET TO
ASPIRE to, much less produce.  WE ARE CAPABLE of putting those bits
together, like it or not.  

That's why Apple Computers based the latest iteration of their operating
system on something produced mostly by amateurs and geeks and ordinary 
schmucksfor FREE.   It was better than ANYTHING Apple could pay any 
number of software engineers to build on their own.  Period.  Thus, FreeBSD
became the basis of OS X.  AGain, the capability of the ordinary schmucks
proved to be a giant leap ahead of the #2 choice in pc's.  


 
 My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a 
 special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls.

Well, certainly, NOT A ONE OF US ON THIS LIST wants that.  But if you wish
to become an advocate for this industry, THEN STOP DEMANDING WE STOP BEING
CREATIVE AND ADVANCING OUR INDUSTRY AND INSTEAD BE HELD BACK BY YOUR COMPANY
AND THE OTHER manufacturers, and start helping us get a legal and
regulatory environment that works, instead of one that's hopelessly broken,
so we CAN. 

I hate to break it to you, but if today, Alvarion, Motorola, Trango, and a
host of other names like them vanished from the map, the WISP business could
and would go on, and we could do it purely with the talents and skills that
exist with the individual operators.  

TURN IT LOOSE instead of attempting to bottle it up.  Or is your loyalty
purely to the company and not to US?


 
 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM 
 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 
 5.8G cpe suggestions?
 
 RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious.
 If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with 
 MT/CM9 setups and they work great.
 
 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless
 
 rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
  Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, 

[WISPA] Getting the sticker.

2007-02-19 Thread Rick Smith
 
Anyone understand the full process of getting something certified at the FCC
?
 
I.e. I'd like to send in an RB112 with SR9, pigtail, LMR jumper, and Pac
Wireless 
Yagi to get certified as a combination.   And, every other combination I
use.
 
As I understand the rules, that would allow me to call that combination
legal,
as well as giving it a separate product name that I (or anyone I
subcontracted)
could resell it as, and then put this sticker conscious crap to silence.
 
 
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RE: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] FollowingtheFCC rules ?????

2007-02-19 Thread Rick Smith
thanks patrick 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA]
FollowingtheFCC rules ?

Mario,

Most of what you are looking for is located on the FCC Web site under the
Office of Engineering and Technology section. To certify something or to
understand the certification procedures, you can go directly to the cert
labs:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm

To find what equipment is allowed (or not allowed, which is easier to narrow
down in a search), search the equipment authorization database:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

The link above is the same to find approved manufacturers. There is no one
list since there are thousands of companies under Part 15 alone (remember,
Part 15 covers gazillions of consumer devices too).

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] Following
theFCC rules ?

Hi,
The following question seems germaine to this thread.
Who would I talk to at the FCC about the following:
 -- if I want to use equipment from an overseas-based manufacturer, where
would I go to or who could I talk to at the FCC to know certification
procedures, equipment allowed or not in licensed or unlicensed spectrum?
 -- is there a list of FCC approved manufacturers?

Thanks.

Mario





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[WISPA] For those in business just about a year...

2007-02-19 Thread Rick Smith
Couple questions for you:

1) How did you get funding ?

2) How many customers are you up to so far ?

3) How many installations per month / week / day ?

4) How did they find you ?  Advertising methods...


I'm in the middle of rebuilding my company from the disaster it's been in
because of a deadbeat partner, and these questions (and more) came up at a
meeting of the minds tonight.  I figured no better place to get the answer
than existing WISPs.

Offlist, if need be.  This will be private for me only, just for
information.

thanks

R


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RE: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions?

2007-02-18 Thread Rick Smith
Ubiquiti Ls5 is stickered isn't it ?  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions?

RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious.
If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 
setups and they work great.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
 Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today
 that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point?   Looking for lower
 cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments.
 Thanks

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[WISPA] SR9 / SR2 in same enclosure problems

2007-02-17 Thread Rick Smith
Can I hear from people that are running an
SR9 and an SR2 on the same board, be it
RB112 or 532's, that are putting them both
on one board in the same enclosure ?

I've read about problems doing that because
of the fact that the SR9 is just an up/down
converted 2.4 card...

And in fact, I'm seeing throughput problems
with just that setup...  and that's only at
one client on the system as a test...

I'd love to find an enclosure that had two
separate compartments, to run an RB112 or
RB532 on each side, one mpci on each, and
separated by the casting...

i.e. [|][|]

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[WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs

2007-02-14 Thread Rick Smith
Hey, someone's done it!  A portable tower elevator.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251888,00.html

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RE: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-14 Thread Rick Smith

Trendnet.  Hands down.  I STILL thank JohnnyO for turning me on to them.

VERY reliable.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833156001



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Behalf Of John J. Thomas
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers

cdw.com carries the Cisco 851W for $379. 

John



-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 08:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers

Checkpoint has one for under $400 too.  I forgot about that one.  Dual wan 
with wireless.  Kinda cool.

I've not tried one yet, but did see them at ISPCon.

laters,
marlon

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From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers


I too have that idea in action, but the port forwarding options are non 
existant... There has to be something out there that works...

 Thanks for the feedback.

 - Original Message - 
 From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers


 Ross Cornett wrote:
 Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line 
 of router out there for home and small business.  We have used linksys 
 and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. 
 Anyone have any ideas as to what they are using and what works best?  I

 am tired of replacing these things and explaining to the customer their

 lack of quality.  Your feedback is very welcome.


 Ross Cornett
 VP 217 342 6201 ex 7
 HofNet Communications, Inc.
 www.HofNet-Communications.com

 HofNet-Communications.com

 One more reason I use a cpe with built in router.

 I know your pain.

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RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Smith
Was it being alarmist to shout the redcoats are coming! ?

I understand no one knows the format of the data yet.  But the 
truth is that CALEA is an attempt to put the trigger there,
get us to go broke funding it, and let them pull it any 
time they want...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote:

Uhmm, Butch...  No, they're not asking for a means.  They're 
insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense, 
prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to 
provide them data in a specific form.

And what form is that data going to take?  You don't know.  You are 
being alarmist, in that you are getting bent out of shape over 
something you don't even KNOW.  THAT is what I said.

The FACT is that the government MUST have a means to gathering 
information for criminal prosecutions.  Even you can't deny that. 
That means (when it comes to Internet traffic) MUST happen at the 
ISP level. WHY?  Because MANY ISPs HIDE THEIR CUSTOMERS.  It happens 
behind every ISP who decides that NAT is necessary.  Sorry, but 
that is one thing that makes it necessary for them to gather data on 
YOUR network.  They HAVE to be able to gather data on a specific 
suspect.

 THAT is precisely what I said, nothing more, and nothing less.

REALLY?  Maybe when I read these words from YOUR email address, it 
was a government conspiracy that sent them to point the finger at 
you.  Here are SOME of the things you said:

SNIP
I said that not resisting regulation would kill us.

The process has begun.  We marched in to be fleeced, smiling and 
bleating
softly.

Been nice knowing you folks.
/SNIP

and here
SNIP
the federal govenrment has just taken wholesale control of the ISP
business.
/SNIP

and here
SNIP
You can bet that any industry standard derived will derived with 
the input from the telecoms to bankrupt as many small ISP's as 
possible.

I predict that in 2 years there will not be enough WISP's left to 
fund WISPA at all, unless the dues go up on the order 20 to 50 
times.
/SNIP

and here
SNIP
we need to work at launching the largest industry and public 
backlash ever, to end this sort of stuff...
/SNIP

Perhaps I'm the only one reading alarmist into your words...

Up to this point, the LEA's had to pony up the means of tapping and 
grabbing the data they wanted.  Which, in my view, is fair and 
equitable.  Why should we all pay for and design a network around 
some system few will ever use?

Read the documentation again...I'm not here to educate you, but the 
fact is that your network is NOT going to have to be designed 
around anything.

CALEA was NOT written for ISP's or VOIP.  The FCC and DOJ have 
broadened its meaning all on their own.

No, it wasn't written for that purpose.  But, the world is not the 
same as it was when the CALEA laws were penned.  Times change and so 
do the laws.  My only suggestion is to do 2 things:

1. Like it or not, the law is the law, and you MUST follow it.  If 
you decide to break the law, I hope you are caught and punished.

2. Don't ASSUME (you know about that word, right?) that every law is 
a government conspiracy to put you out of business.

OH...it wouldn't hurt if you'd take your meds...

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[WISPA] Advertising Expenses

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith

I know this question will get a lot of
varied response, but I 
figured I'd throw it out there.

I'm in the middle of investing / biz
plans, etc...  Trying to
come up with a number for what we would
theoretically spend to
reinvent the company so-to-speak and get
the name known.

Looking at radio / tv / etc. in northern
NJ local markets, and
need to know what people are spending on
advertising in those 
mediums.

Also, what kind of general returns with
respect to the number
of installations per day / month /
whatever do they result in ?

Sending this from the middle of a
financing meeting...

R

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RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
Just paid up... include RTPS Networks, Inc. d/b/a Near You Networks

THANKS!  AWESOME IDEA!

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445

Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members 
and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for 
all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who 
want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed 
themselves or do not wish to file for whatever reason. Obviously a 
Canadian company would not need to file a US mandated issue like this. 
Are you wanting to be included?
Scriv


cw wrote:

 This is wonderful but you would need our FRN. Are you saying we don't 
 have to have this postmarked today?

 John Scrivner wrote:

 If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to 
 worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it 
 for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They 
 are allowing later filing now. Kris will be filing on behalf of all 
 paid WISPA Principal Members. All you have to do is reply to the 
 email and say, Include me in WISPA 445 Filing and include your 
 official, legal company name. That's it. Your filing will be 
 complete.This is being done as a benefit of WISPA membership at NO 
 CHARGE TO YOU. To take advantage of this offer you MUST respond 
 within 24 hours, by no later than 3 pm Central time on Tuesday, Feb 
 13th. If you are not already a paid WISPA member then this is not 
 available to you unless you get us $250 before noon tomorrow Central 
 time and fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org.
 John Scrivner
 President
 WISPA

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RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but
I don't have time to give a crap about calea.  I'm 
taking advantage of an industry organization to do
something on my behalf, because I can't have the 
time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking
after finding out I DIDN'T file...

Now, I run Mikrotik everywhere, and I've seen comments
about packet monitoring being OK for compliance, and
I'll STILL not do anything until I'm provided with a 
subpoena, but I figure having the paperwork THERE is
probably a necessary evil.

This, in my opinion, is just big brother licensed
extortion for the little guys.  Paying a TPP for
snooping on your customers is just crap.  But, what
are you going to do ?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Eric Merkel
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445

On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the
 requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but
 it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not
 bother trying to meet every legal filing requirement. I consider that my
 attorney's job and use an attorney for all such issues. Kris is doing
 this for WISPA because he is paid by us to do such things and because he
 as already working for us on CALEA issues. It was simple for him to be
 part of the process.
 Scriv


I don't like filling out paper work either, but it kinda concerns me
that people aren't taking CALEA compliance seriously if they can't
take 10 minutes to fill in their company name, get an FRN number, and
answer whether or not they will be compliant when May rolls around.
Ultimately, THEY are responsible and have to have an officer of the
company sign that document.

In any case, I am not trying to be disagreeable just a little puzzled.

-Eric
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CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time
(or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA.

What are YOU as a WISP doing to comply ?  

How much is it costing you ?  

What technology ?

How would you provide the hook in so the FBI could just
listen in at any time  (is that the way it works ? Or do 
they still need to provide a subpoena...) ?

Others I'm sure will come up..

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445



wispa wrote:

 You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? 

Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a 
profit center.

Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder  up to the feds and 
ask them some questions, go for it.

But the offer still stands.

Any reasonable question regarding the implementation of CALEA compliance 
I will be glad to ask.

George

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RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
thanks Marlon...

Got one more for you - what about the hotels that hook up to me for
virtual hotspot authentication / billing services through Mikrotik's
hotspot mechanism... am I or the Hotel responsible for capture ?  heh.

I'm sure there's many more questions...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445

Rick,

I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI.  It's up in the air yet, but it

looks like calea compliance won't be that big of a deal.  We'll know much 
more after the Thursday meetings our guys are having.

Here's what I understand so far  I've gotten this from the head of the 
FBI's CALEA division (why more people don't pick up the phone is beyond me).

We have to be able to copy a particular customer's data stream to a local 
machine.  They do NOT want a stream cause they may not be able to receive it

fast enough or data may get lost on the way to them.  The local machine 
needs to have a way to transfer the data to them.  That could be either via 
burning a disk, transfer of the entire machine (likely if they provide the 
machine :-), vpn back to law enforcement or some other mechanism.

At this point there are a couple of issues that I'm not clear on yet.  What 
form does the vpn have to be in.  And it may not have to be a particular 
one.  don't know yet.  And what kind of security on the local cache machine 
will have to be in place?  Will it have to be physically or electronically 
or both, isolated from the rest of the company?

There are, of course, other difficult situations.  I brought up these 
examples and more.  It was agreed that there may not always be good 
resolutions etc.

What happens if someone uses my FREE hotspot in town?  It's a Linksys, I 
have NO way to get any useful data from it.  If I change it out to a more 
powerful machine I incur substantial costs AND I tip off the perp that we've

changed something for some reason.

How about that hotel we sell service to?  They won't have the ability to get

useful data from their Linksys routers anymore than I could.  And I have no 
way of determining who's doing what inside their network.  Again, no good 
answers.

I don't think we'll see perfection any time soon.  But that doesn't mean we 
can't or shouldn't try to do our best.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445


 Ya know Mac, not funny, at the same time, funny.

 I think Mark's got a point, albeit dooms-day-ish.

 There's no fiscal or physical way small WISPs can comply
 with CALEA, and I want to know HOW SPECIFICALLY to do it,
 if you think it CAN be done...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:37 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445

 Patients who experience an acute psychotic episode lasting longer than one
 day but less than one month and that may or may not immediately follow an
 important life stress or a pregnancy (with postpartum onset). This illness
 usually comes as a surprise as there is no forewarning that the person is
 likely to break down, although this disorder is more common in people 
 with
 a pre-existing personality disorder (particularly histrionic and 
 borderline
 types). The main diagnostic criteria is as follows:

 The patient has at least one of the following that is not a culturally
 sanctioned response:

 1. Delusions
 2. Hallucinations
 3. Speech that is markedly disorganized
 4. Behavior that is markedly disorganized or catatonic.

 The patient has symptoms from 1 to 30 days and eventually recovers
 completely.

 The disturbance is not better accounted for by a Mood Disorder With
 Psychotic Features, Schizoaffective Disorder, or Schizophrenia and is not
 due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of
 abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.



 Sincerely,
 Mac Dearman




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of wispa
 Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445

 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote
 I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but
 I don't have time to give a crap about calea.  I'm
 taking advantage of an industry organization to do
 something on my behalf, because I can't have the
 time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking
 after finding out I DIDN'T file...

 I predict that somewhere around 80% of small ISP's won't file.  Many won't
 even know they have to.

 Just think, EVERY block size network.   If you build out for your
 neighborhood and have 10 neighbors... YOU have to fork out the big bucks,
 YOU

RE: [WISPA] yes, the big money is coming. Anyone want to explore selling out?(seriously)

2007-02-09 Thread Rick Smith

make that 5.  I just hooked up with a couple of retired guys from Motorola,
and we've found 4 investors willing to pony up some serious ($3MM) cash 
over the next 3 yrs.   

One of them actually suggested installing VL soon.  :)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] yes,the big money is coming. Anyone want to explore selling
out?(seriously)

I know of four WISPs that used to have smaller operations that within the
last month each received over $10 million in new money. I know of several
others doing some aggressive consolidation, buying out smaller WISPs.

This past week in fact I had one such WISP owner ask me directly for help
finding WISPs with several hundred to 1,000 subscribers that might be
interested in cashing out now, maybe because they have gotten tired or maybe
because they see now as a good time to exit with the big money starting to
come in.

So I guess I should ask, if you are such a WISP and you might be genuinely
interested in getting out, let me know and I'll broker the connection with
the other party. ...I only wish I got a fee for leveraging my contacts!
Please let me know offlist.

...and no, I have no idea how much he pays. The last WISP he bought was a
Trango operator with about 700 CPE deployed. I've just offered to him to
make connections.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 12:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] way OT: Did I mention I love the WISP business?

Umthanks Patrick.  :^)  I'm not afraid to appreciate you for what you
have done for us and the challenge you put before us.

With regards to the big money types,  I have some additional perspective
from a slightly different viewpoint. 

The big money is definitely coming in this direction 



 
 


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[WISPA] yahoo Maps API ?

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith
Someone a bit back shared some code with a list, and I can't for the life of
me find where
I put it, developed some on top of it, and came up with something web based
that was
pretty cool.
 
hehe.  I've got like 7 machines here that I could've picked, and it was a
tiny file... doh!
 
If had something to do with going to the yahoo developer's network, getting
an ID, and
converting address info into Lat/Long.
 
Thanks
 
R
 
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RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith

I'll give you the time tested answer to that question.

It depends.

:)

I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a couple
NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked...

On one NLOS shot in town, around corner 3/4 mile away, I can transfer
18mbps through the mikrotik bandwidth tester...

I'm finding a lot of trouble installing 2.4 AND 900mhz in the same
boxes as repeaters...I think due to the fact that the SR9 card is just
up/down converted 2.4...  Separate boxes work great, same enclosure it
sucks.

R 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

 We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently 
 installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available 
 for INDOOR  CPE

No answer for you there but was just wandering how the Mikrotik 900 AP was
working?  Been using Canopy 900 due to its interference rejection, frequency
reuse and easy integrated install.  Have just wandered how much more
throughput Mikrotik can do and what kind of range?

Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

2007-02-08 Thread Rick Smith

that was at 10mhz channels.

when I went to 20mhz, I was able to squeeze 22 mbps on a 36 meg connect
rate, but
that's too much freq usage...

Seems to work ok - just need to start separating thse things.

Might be interesting to find an enclosure that had two compartments - one on
each side
and separated, etc.  Does such a beast exist ?

R
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

What channel size for 18 mbps?
Scriv

Rick Smith wrote:

I'll give you the time tested answer to that question.

It depends.

:)

I've got 3 AP's up now, starting to have SOME luck, mostly LOS, a 
couple NLOS here but no leaf experience yet as the trees are naked...

On one NLOS shot in town, around corner 3/4 mile away, I can transfer 
18mbps through the mikrotik bandwidth tester...

I'm finding a lot of trouble installing 2.4 AND 900mhz in the same 
boxes as repeaters...I think due to the fact that the SR9 card is just 
up/down converted 2.4...  Separate boxes work great, same enclosure it 
sucks.

R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor CPE for 900 mhz microtik

  

We have been a waverider shop for a couple of years but have recently 
installed a microtik 900 mhz AP and was wondering what is available 
for INDOOR  CPE



No answer for you there but was just wandering how the Mikrotik 900 AP 
was working?  Been using Canopy 900 due to its interference rejection, 
frequency reuse and easy integrated install.  Have just wandered how 
much more throughput Mikrotik can do and what kind of range?

Matt
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RE: [WISPA] Refreshing Day

2007-01-31 Thread Rick Smith
I wish it were that way for me.

I called a competitor once, as I had a $500/month account.  All I could
see was the tower they're on.  Called them, told em I'd pay them
$250 / month for the account ( I know they charge a lot more than
that... ) since I'd manage the customer, etc.

They hung up on me.  I called back to talk to the owner and was rudely
told, even by him, that they would not support their competitors.  hah.

I hooked the customer up with a cable modem, and I paid for the line
so I could run an AP off his roof with now 12 customers from there.  
One of the other customers could see my stuff, so I use the cable
line as a backup now.  :)

Oh, the competitor left that tower, too...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Refreshing Day

Yeah, a guy needs days like that once in a while eh?

I went to do an install today and found that I couldn't hit the customer due
to trees etc.  While up on the roof I noticed that one of the dozen or so
ap's I was picking up belonged to one of my competitors.

A quick phone call later and I had an IP addy from him.  Got the customer up
and running.  My competitor will make some money from me, I'll get a bit
from the customer, and the customer has service.  A great day all around!

marlon

- Original Message -
From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Refreshing Day


 Well it was 10 degrees above zero this afternoon here in northern Indiana.
 We have been having an issue on one particular tower and after changing 
 the
 base station equipment a couple times in the last few days, I decided to 
 get
 out from behind a desk and go out to some customer locations that were 
 still
 having issues.  Turned out to be some minor tweaking of settings but it 
 gave
 me a chance to interface with some customers face to face.



 It was very refreshing to hear compliments about our service and many 
 thanks
 for bringing broadband out into the rural areas.  These were a few 
 customers
 that had very little service in the last few days.  I almost feel like I
 should make each member of my staff go do this at least once a month.  It
 really gives a guy a renewed appreciation of why we do what we do.  Eight
 years ago when we started this, it was very apparent.  Lately it seems 
 like
 most people expect service anywhere they are and at a very cheap price.
 Normal phone conversations seem to leave me with a bad guy impression.
 Too Much, not fast enough, whaddya mean, I can't get service, TWO
 YEAR CONTRACT, no way!.  Well today, shaking people's hands and seeing 
 the
 smile on their face when everything was fixed and back to normal, takes 
 all
 that away.  Heck, I think I was happier than they were.



 My last service call was to a gentleman I have known for 20 years from a
 distance.  He called late in the afternoon and said he couldn't get logged
 on and that our installer had been there today to replace a radio.   He 
 was
 so complimentary on the phone about the quality work and attitude of the
 installer and the rest of my staff, so I called my wife and told her I 
 would
 be home in about an hour.  I drove 15 miles out of town and fixed the 
 issue
 rather quickly.  Same IP address, different radio MAC addresstower
 needed a reboot to get rid of the arp issue.  I guess I could have done 
 that
 from the office but this one seemed like it was better handled face to 
 face.
 The customer was off to church as soon as I left his house and I'm sure 
 that
 he probably told all his friends about our service and my fine staff. 
 Some
 people just value the local support a WISP is willing to give to its
 customers.  It's not all about price, service like this makes customers 
 for
 life, no matter how cheap they can buy it from somewhere else.



 Oh yeah, I also backed into his mailbox on the way out the driveway.  You
 know, it didn't even bother him.I'll fix that right up tomorrow, you 
 go
 on home now :-)



 Respectfully,



 Rick Harnish

 President

 OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.

 260-827-2482

 Founding Member of WISPA



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[WISPA] Ubiquity LS*9* ?

2007-01-30 Thread Rick Smith
Is ubiquity planning on making an LS9 to go alongside
the LS2 and LS5 models ?
 
I'd be interested...
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[WISPA] high bandwidth service offerings

2007-01-30 Thread Rick Smith
If I had a customer wanting 5 meg committed, with burst rates up to 15,
assuming I could provide 15 to him via mikrotik / alvarion / etc etc., how
would you price such an offering ?   Not like I could call other ISPs and
check out the same thing
 
What's the going rate per meg for bandwidth these days if you were to buy
bandwidth at meet-me centers ?
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RE: [WISPA] Climbing Harness

2007-01-22 Thread Rick Smith
As if I had to say it...
DON'T EVER BUY A HARNESS USED.

I bought mine here:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/bodyharness2.htm
(Eagle Tower LE - the first one..)

Should get one'a these:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/wireropegrabs.html

One'a these:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/shocklanyards.htm

A few a these:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/miscequipment.htm

Get a saddle positioner:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/miscequipment3.htm
(Tower positioning Kit)

Need a Bolt / tool bag:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/carrybags2.html

and don't let OSHA catch you without:
http://www.glenmartin.com/industrial/headprotection.html

About $750 worth of hardware - but how much is your life worth ?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Climbing Harness

Hello Fellow WISP's

I need to purchase a tower climbing harness.  If you have one to sell,
great, if you know of a company that sells them that would be great too.

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc. 

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[WISPA] Addresses - Lat long?

2007-01-22 Thread Rick Smith
Anyone have a way to convert mass addresses into lat / long numbers ?

I have a spreadsheet of locations for a customer that I'd like to map in
Radio Mobile, and obviously need to do it via Lat/Long.

R

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[WISPA] Most Common Questions for Tech Support Line ?

2007-01-16 Thread Rick Smith
If I were to build a script for my tech support phone answering,
and share it with you all as an FAQ, what do you think the most
common questions are, and how are they answered.  Keep in mind,
that I'm attempting to write a script, so to speak, for an operator
to pick up the phone and cluefully help someone through wireless
or hotspot problems in hotels...

R


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RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: WISP 60 Second Newsletter]

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
me 2.  And it's all stuff we've discussed already.

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Behalf Of Jeremy Davis
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:53 PM
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Peter R. wrote:
 Is this a WISPA sponsored publication? Or just someone who snagged my 
 email off the list?
I am getting it as well.

Jeremy

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RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

2007-01-10 Thread Rick Smith
well, I for one converted 3 EL customers this week.  2 more
next week so far.

the DSL plant they're working with up here (Sprint local)
is just my best advertising.  Fastest they offer is 512 / 90. lol.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

If WISPA is serious about this someone hit me off list and I'll investigate
the internal EL contacts to start any negotiations.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly


Now for the next phase that should happen.

EL should come to WISPA and work a deal with wisps nationwide.  WE provide
access to them on OUR networks.  Then EL stops loosing dialup customers in
Ephrata and Moses Lake.  But no need to spend the 2 million :-)

Hmmm, maybe I'm still ahead of the game after all?  grin marlon

- Original Message -
From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly


 Yep- you are correct, sir- I have it from a very reliable source.

 * EL locates on City (or whatever utility it is) poles.
 * They pledge that they will allow other ISPs to wheel their service 
 over the network (many spare SSIDs are available)
 * They foot the bill for the install (I'd say 2 million for a small 
 city- just estimating)
 * They use gear that meshes and has intelligence so that it can 
 optimize and work around interference and congestion.
 * They co-produce with the city an event for the unveiling or wire 
 cutting and invite residents and businesses to sign up and give it a 
 free try.
 * Dialup customers (hopefully) migrate to the new broadband network. 
 Some mobile users will use the network for whatever it is that mobile
users do.
 *   Police, Fire, Building Inspections, etc  use the free accounts (if any
 were negotiated) and maybe additional accounts are purchased.
 * POSSIBLY Google or someone else rides the network subsidizing a free 
 tier of service (300 kb/s in San Francisco)
 * And (if the recent posting about Vonage is correct)- EL allows other 
 carriers to provide service via EL's infrastructure for a set fee.
   These carriers could be  AOL, DirecTV internet, Odessa Office, 
 OneRing or even Joes Best Little Internet Provider In Texas.

 It looks like it could be a win-win situation and a resource for EL, 
 the City, the residents and local businesses, AND the ISPs who choose 
 to use access to it as a means to enter the market in that town. 
 Imagine Marlon being able to branch out into San Francisco, New 
 Orleans, Philadelphia, Anaheim and any other markets available just by
inking a deal with EL.

 I think Municipal WiFi's definition is evolving. It doesn't have to be 
 *owned or funded* by a municipality, it just has to cover the 
 municipality.

 So far, I think Marlon's described network may fit the description, 
 assuming it has adequate on-street coverage.
 Notice I have said on-street, not in-building. Getting it into the 
 building is another project, and there are at least 2 ways to do that.



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 On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Muni networks, the good, bad and ugly

 snip

 I learned today that I already have a few municipal networks myself!  
 Much like the Earthlink/SanFran network will be.

 Privately funded, open to competitors, uses city facilites, city gets 
 free services, covers 100% of the community.  Hmmm, sounds like what 
 I've been doing here for half a decade now!

 Ralph, stick up for me here  grin

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[WISPA] Anyone actually done wireless municipal networks yet ?

2007-01-09 Thread Rick Smith
Looking at a great possibility here, for a whole county in NJ 
installing a municipal driven wireless network, operating a 
public safety network as well as a broadband delivery
component for other ISPs and Customers...
 
Any PDF's or the like would be greatly appreciated as
reading material :)

R

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[WISPA] sorry guys... don't respond, havin mail issues...

2007-01-03 Thread Rick Smith
test...


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RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

2007-01-01 Thread Rick Smith
Pretty sure it was no ad hoc.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 6:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

Right, but do they have their units in ad hoc mode shouting out that essid?
I see HP setup quite abit and that is in ad hoc mode. Naturally thats an HP
printer waiting to get set up.

George

Rick Smith wrote:
 no, mikrotik in this case, doing a 'scan' on the interface...shows 
 their ssid's in their trucks...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC 
 type
 
 ad hoc mode?
 
 Rick Smith wrote:
 nod, a scan on the AP shows them...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ralph
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC 
 type

 If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you 
 set your tower as a client/cpe.  I have never seen them do anything 
 with an AP, other than BE one.  Dis you know that was what the 
 SST-PR-1 was
 before?

  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Rick Smith
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC 
 type

 yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers.
 I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans...

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ralph
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

 Hi Matt-

 Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across 
 Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the
 experimenters
 of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at 
 random times.  It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1  The first 
 time I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could 
 normally receive down there.

 There were all kinds of theories:  an AP on a low earth orbit 
 satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary 
 SSID on
 a piece of
 gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc.   Googling for SST-PR-1
 might
 actually turn up some of the old discussions about it.

 Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built 
 some apartments behind me.  I sent my son over there on his bike with 
 a camera to do some investigating.  He soon found a Sears Service 
 truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on 
 many semis) parked in front of an apartment.  He went back with a 
 laptop and traced the signal to this van.  So we had it figured out- 
 Sears
 truck.
 A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening 
 and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer.
 It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is 
 the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a 
 laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service 
 manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox.

 I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when 
 the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their 
 refrigerator.  An early warning system of sorts.

 So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid!

 Ralph

  

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC

 AHA

 I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been 
 coming from!!

 Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication 
 disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up 
 with requests from TruckPC.  They were coming from access points 
 all
 over
 the place and I was a little perplexed.   It is interesting to watch our 
 radius logs too.  I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 
 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from 
 that AP is always showing logins.  Must be all the trucker laptops 
 whizzing by looking for an open AP.

 I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so 
 that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good 
 reason to do it.

 Matt Larsen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Ralph wrote:
 Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then:
 http://www.drivertech.com/

 Their product, a Truckpc

RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g

2007-01-01 Thread Rick Smith
To even take your water hose analogy, I pay for my water - one little sip
might not hurt, but everyone stopping by to take a sip, leaving the hose on,
draws down my supply and sends my bill up.

 

However you slice it or justify it in your mind, it's still morally,
ethically, and legally wrong to connect to open WiFi devices and do ANYthing
on that connection.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
802.11b/g

 

I suppose that the only real difference is that you can drive up within a
few hundred feet of any house with a unsecured wireless network, and get
online without anyone knowing (or caring most of the time). Its more like
walking up and getting a drink from your water hose in your yard than
JohnnyO's analogy of using your wife. A sip of water from the hose or 5
minutes on your wireless router neither one significantly costs anyone. 

While it is technically stealing it is hard to suggest that it costs the
paying subscriber has sustained any monetary loss or any cost of real
performance, internet speed, or water pressure. If his files on his PC were
shared on his insecure WLAN, and you drove up and snooped/altered/deleted
them, then it would seem that there is grounds for vandalism/business
interruption, unauthorized information access, etc, etc. 

If I walk up to your water hose, steal it, cut it, or run several hoses
together and fill my 30,000 gallon pool, or stick it in your window and
flood your house, then there is a problem, and a real issue, and a crime has
been committed, since it legitimately costs you real money to remedy.

If I drive near your home, get on the internet, check my email, make a VOIP
call, look up a stock price, or whatever, then I don't suspect anyone will
complain, or know that I did it. It also won't cost you anything. 

If I sit out there for hours downloading copyright violations (P2P) or
cracking your file server, or send 10,000,000 spam messages getting your IP
added to the RBL's, then there is a real issue. 

An emergency communication plan that includes war driving to establish
VOIP is akin to a fire department that plans to put out fires with a series
of garden hoses and outside hose bibs instead of installing real fire
hydrants. 

As far as the legality of war driving, I am not sure that MOST war driving
is catch-able convict-able or quantify-able (in the cost to the
customer) or whatever. 
Its also against the law to sample grapes at the grocery store. I don't do
that, but I am sure that people have done that for years. I have never even
heard of anyone getting in trouble for it. (war driving or grape sampling).
I suppose that if you got greedy with either one, you would get your hand
slapped. 

Pete Davis
NoDial.net. 



Rick Smith wrote: 

ah yes, but then you would've had a cop knock on the front door, 
and ASK your permission to use the phone.   At which point, you
COULD say NO! and shut the door on them.  Or, you could let them
in, and tell them OK! here it is!
 
BUT...They wouldn't do the equivalent of walking up to your NID, 
plugging a butt set in and just dialing away...
 
If I, right now, drove up in front of your house, got out of my truck,
walked up to your Network panel that Verizon or the local phone co.
put there as their demarcation point, and plugged my butt set in
and got dial tone and dialed Hawaii to chat with someone at YOUR
expense, I could be found / shot / arrested / sued / what have you.
 
What's different with WiFi ?  Nothing but the excuses we allow people
to continue to make.
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
802.11b/g
 
The legality and ethics of using an open access point is questionable, but
there is a liability issue as well. In most of the areas that I cover with
my network, there is a strong signal with SSID of NoDial.
Connecting to this will get you a DHCP address even, without a WEP or other
encryption key.
Until I know that you have connected and moved your mac address to a list
that authorizes your connection, all of your outbound packets will be sent
to http://64.123.108.28:80 This brings up a liability issue. If the
emergency communication van tech wastes 2 hrs trying to get hold of me, get
connected to the internet, or whatever, and $10M of houses burn down,
because they couldn't get to the fire department via a hacked VOIP solution,
then am I gonna get sued?
If they connect to my private home network that I intentionally left open,
and my custom made uber-hacker passive/aggressive firewall unleashes a
blackops virus that turns their laptops into bricks. Then what?
 
I guess, that by JohnnyO's example, if you come into my open door and try to
visit

How to secure WiFi networks was RE: [WISPA] recommendation

2007-01-01 Thread Rick Smith
With all this discussion, I've not done it in a while for
clients - is there a website somewhere that details all
the methods for A/P and CPE security ?

I remember Win XP being a royal pain in the keister when 
trying to get it to work with WEP and Linksys...

Any good guides out there ?  Perhaps WISPA's website should
hold the how-to, and we all make it a habit to secure clients
access to their own wifi networks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
802.11b/g

Ah, but it does cost me the monthly fee.  And if you use it, it is because I
paid the fee, not you. There, seems to me it is theft, you are using what I
paid for without paying.


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RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

2006-12-31 Thread Rick Smith
yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers.
I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type 

Hi Matt-

Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta
and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters
of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random
times.  It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1  The first time I saw it, I
was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down
there.

There were all kinds of theories:  an AP on a low earth orbit satellite,
something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of
gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc.   Googling for SST-PR-1 might
actually turn up some of the old discussions about it.

Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some
apartments behind me.  I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to
do some investigating.  He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with
the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front
of an apartment.  He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this
van.  So we had it figured out- Sears truck.

A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the
driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer.  It is linked
to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an
integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the
customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands
for Sears Smart Toolbox. 

I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the
Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator.  An
early warning system of sorts.

So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid!

Ralph

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC

AHA

I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming
from!!

Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled
on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests
from TruckPC.  They were coming from access points all over 
the place and I was a little perplexed.   It is interesting to watch our 
radius logs too.  I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but
it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always
showing logins.  Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an
open AP.

I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that
we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do
it.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ralph wrote:
 Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then:
 http://www.drivertech.com/

 Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. 
 One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package 
 hauling
service
 http://www.usxpress.com/   The device communicates back to the office via
 Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper.  
 According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured 
 access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and 
 sending its data whenever it can.

 I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it 
 to the attention of the list.

 How do I know?   My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users
to
 make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of WiFi.  These cover 
 major portions of several towns.  These towns have a major Interstate 
 route passing through them.  I began noticing numerous TRUCKPC leases 
 being granted by the DHCP servers in these towns.  I became concerned 
 about what they were, so I did a little internet research and ended up 
 on the phone with technical support at Drivertech. This is who 
 confirmed how these devices operate and who the probable fleet culprit
was.

 If anyone has portals near major truck routes, check your DHCP logs 
 and see if you see the TRUCKPC SSID grabbing leases. You may want to 
 either block it or contact these folks and work out a roaming agreement.



 Serious part over, joke follows:

 This message brought to you by the World's largest free wireless 
 internet provider. Look for our SSID wherever you go: Linksys.

 Ralph

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of JohnnyO
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:35 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] 

RE: [WISPA] TRUCKPC

2006-12-31 Thread Rick Smith
unless we ISPs all get together and lock up the wifi world for customers.

I've charged people $50 to go in and secure their stuff.  I could do it
for $20... ;)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 1:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC

Hi,

I would agree that the percentage of open AP's has dropped in the past few
years. However, I still believe it's above 50%.

I just can't see a company that already has an operating, working system in
place that is basically FREE for them changing to paying ISP's around the
country for service. Doesn't make sense, other than what they are doing is
illegal. :)

Travis


Ralph wrote:
 Because they may have their data in a more timely and reliable fashion 
 than they get it by using casual access.
 When I first got into WiFi, I saw that 80% of detected (broadcasting) 
 access points were fully open. Within a year, it dropped to 60%.  Now, 
 several years later it is well below 50%, and out in the more 
 technically savvy areas (just spent 4 months in Sillycon Valley) it is
like 10% or less.
 Consumers are finally getting more in tune with security. Or more 
 accurately, manufacturers are pushing security more heavily now.  A 
 customer had just better not  ever push that button on the front of a 
 Linksys if they don't know what they are doing (grin).
  
 Remember- I am talking about consumers here- not what we as WISPS set 
 up or provide to them.
  
 Ralph

   _

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 12:46 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC


 Hi,

 Why would this company pay for WiFi access when they are now getting 
 all the access they need for free? It's actually a great idea... have 
 the trucks scan all the time and once they find an open AP, connect 
 and upload all their info.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Ralph wrote: 

 I was on the way to one of our remote towers today and was on the 
 interstate

 next to two US Express trucks.  I turned on a sniffer to see if they 
 also

 had access points on them, but there was nothing. I guess they just 
 scan,

 looking for free wireless to use.



 Being bored with the drive, I was thinking about the TRUCKPC thing a 
 lot and

 had an idea to make some code changes to the mobile access point I 
 have in

 my vehicle. Its hooked up to a verizon card and I have a roving EVDO 
 to WIFi

 hot spot gateway.  ( see  http://ralphfowler.com/stompbox/index.htm ) 
 I

 could make a couple of code changes to allow the box to also sniff a 
 bit and

 see exactly what these things are doing when they find a free internet

 connection.



 I was also thinking that we, as an industry, could possibly cut a deal 
 with

 Drivertech to allow their customers to have access to our networks.  
 Of

 course there would be a lot more to work out and I'm not the guy for 
 that

 job ;-)





 Just some Saturday musings...











 -Original Message-

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On

 Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists

 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM

 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC



 AHA



 I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been 
 coming

 from!!



 Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication 
 disabled

 on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with 
 requests

 from TruckPC.  They were coming from access points all over

 the place and I was a little perplexed.   It is interesting to watch our 

 radius logs too.  I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 
 people, but

 it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is 
 always

 showing logins.  Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking 
 for an

 open AP.



 I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so 
 that

 we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to 
 do

 it.



 Matt Larsen

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]





 Ralph wrote:

   

 Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then:

 http://www.drivertech.com/



 Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. 

 One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package 
 hauling

 

 service

   

 http://www.usxpress.com/   The device communicates back to the office via

 Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper.  

 According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured

 access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and

 sending its data whenever it can.



 I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it

 to the attention of the list.



 How do I know?   My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users

 

 to

   

 make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of 

RE: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for 802.11b/g

2006-12-31 Thread Rick Smith
ah yes, but then you would've had a cop knock on the front door, 
and ASK your permission to use the phone.   At which point, you
COULD say NO! and shut the door on them.  Or, you could let them
in, and tell them OK! here it is!

BUT...They wouldn't do the equivalent of walking up to your NID, 
plugging a butt set in and just dialing away...

If I, right now, drove up in front of your house, got out of my truck,
walked up to your Network panel that Verizon or the local phone co.
put there as their demarcation point, and plugged my butt set in
and got dial tone and dialed Hawaii to chat with someone at YOUR
expense, I could be found / shot / arrested / sued / what have you.

What's different with WiFi ?  Nothing but the excuses we allow people
to continue to make.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
802.11b/g

The legality and ethics of using an open access point is questionable, but
there is a liability issue as well. In most of the areas that I cover with
my network, there is a strong signal with SSID of NoDial.
Connecting to this will get you a DHCP address even, without a WEP or other
encryption key.
Until I know that you have connected and moved your mac address to a list
that authorizes your connection, all of your outbound packets will be sent
to http://64.123.108.28:80 This brings up a liability issue. If the
emergency communication van tech wastes 2 hrs trying to get hold of me, get
connected to the internet, or whatever, and $10M of houses burn down,
because they couldn't get to the fire department via a hacked VOIP solution,
then am I gonna get sued?
If they connect to my private home network that I intentionally left open,
and my custom made uber-hacker passive/aggressive firewall unleashes a
blackops virus that turns their laptops into bricks. Then what?

I guess, that by JohnnyO's example, if you come into my open door and try to
visit with my wife, and you step on a rake that gives you a brain anurism, I
guess that makes me guilty (or not guilty) of manslaughter. I lost score in
this ballgame.

If the cops are in a pursuit in my neighborhood, and run their squad car off
the road breaking the radio, and they want to use my home phone to call the
office, I would let them. Not because I HAVE to, but to be a good citizen.
If I HAD to, then the 4th amendment just went out the window.

pd



Jack Unger wrote:
 
 Holy brainfade, JohnnyO.
 
 Your comments about highly illegal just went STRAIGHT over my head.
 
 What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams 
 have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) 
 the sinking of the Titanic.
 
 jack
 
 
 JohnnyO wrote:
 
 Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning
 on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in
 Federal Prison as we speak ?

 Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is
 only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or
 stupid filtering like Wild Blue does

 JohnnyO

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM
 To: WISPA List
 Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
 802.11b/g

 I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency
 communications
 vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible,
 scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part
 of a
 ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want
 to
 have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for
 an
 open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We
 respond
 with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We
 already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I
 would
 like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement
 VOIP
 at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long
 time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but
 the
 feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim
 just
 because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them.
 If
 any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be
 great. Have a nice day.


 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

2006-12-31 Thread Rick Smith
nod, a scan on the AP shows them...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you set your
tower as a client/cpe.  I have never seen them do anything with an AP, other
than BE one.  Dis you know that was what the SST-PR-1 was before?


 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers.
I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type 

Hi Matt-

Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across Atlanta
and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the experimenters
of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at random
times.  It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1  The first time I saw it, I
was in my basement and I knew full well what I could normally receive down
there.

There were all kinds of theories:  an AP on a low earth orbit satellite,
something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on a piece of
gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc.   Googling for SST-PR-1 might
actually turn up some of the old discussions about it.

Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built some
apartments behind me.  I sent my son over there on his bike with a camera to
do some investigating.  He soon found a Sears Service truck (the ones with
the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on many semis) parked in front
of an apartment.  He went back with a laptop and traced the signal to this
van.  So we had it figured out- Sears truck.

A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening and the
driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer.  It is linked
to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is the SSID of an
integral access point that allows the driver to use a laptop from inside the
customer's home to check on parts, see service manuals, etc. The SST stands
for Sears Smart Toolbox. 

I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when the
Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their refrigerator.  An
early warning system of sorts.

So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid!

Ralph

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC

AHA

I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been coming
from!!

Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication disabled
on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up with requests
from TruckPC.  They were coming from access points all over 
the place and I was a little perplexed.   It is interesting to watch our 
radius logs too.  I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 people, but
it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from that AP is always
showing logins.  Must be all the trucker laptops whizzing by looking for an
open AP.

I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so that
we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good reason to do
it.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Ralph wrote:
 Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then:
 http://www.drivertech.com/

 Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. 
 One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package 
 hauling
service
 http://www.usxpress.com/   The device communicates back to the office via
 Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper.  
 According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured 
 access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and 
 sending its data whenever it can.

 I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course, but I wanted to bring it 
 to the attention of the list.

 How do I know?   My WISP operates hotspot portals that allow casual users
to
 make use of our mountain and tower-top sectors of WiFi.  These cover 
 major portions of several towns.  These towns have a major Interstate 
 route passing through them.  I began noticing numerous TRUCKPC leases 
 being granted by the DHCP servers in these towns.  I became concerned 
 about what they were, so I did a little internet research and ended up 
 on the phone

RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

2006-12-31 Thread Rick Smith
no, mikrotik in this case, doing a 'scan' on the interface...shows their
ssid's in their trucks...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type

ad hoc mode?

Rick Smith wrote:
 nod, a scan on the AP shows them...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Ralph
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC 
 type
 
 If they still operate as before, you shouldn't see them unless you set 
 your tower as a client/cpe.  I have never seen them do anything with 
 an AP, other than BE one.  Dis you know that was what the SST-PR-1 was
before?
 
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Rick Smith
 Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 2:35 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC 
 type
 
 yeah I can see 10 - 12 of them at any time off one of my towers.
 I'm 1/2 mile from a sears garage where they repair those vans...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Ralph
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:11 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: [WISPA] More Saturday Musings- Another (older) Truck-PC type
 
 Hi Matt-
 
 Back in my old Net-Stumbler days (back when you could drive across 
 Atlanta and see less than 20 Access Points, and 2 were my own), the
experimenters
 of the day became perplexed by this SSID that kept popping up at 
 random times.  It was an Access Point named SST-PR-1  The first time 
 I saw it, I was in my basement and I knew full well what I could 
 normally receive down there.
 
 There were all kinds of theories:  an AP on a low earth orbit 
 satellite, something on a passing vehicle, some sort of temporary SSID on
a piece of
 gear that just showed up right at bootup, etc.   Googling for SST-PR-1
might
 actually turn up some of the old discussions about it.
 
 Anyway- I started seeing it a lot in the evenings after they built 
 some apartments behind me.  I sent my son over there on his bike with 
 a camera to do some investigating.  He soon found a Sears Service 
 truck (the ones with the small Globalstar dish on top like you see on 
 many semis) parked in front of an apartment.  He went back with a 
 laptop and traced the signal to this van.  So we had it figured out- Sears
truck.
 
 A few days later, my son saw the driver coming home for the evening 
 and the driver gave him the dog and pony show of the truck computer.  
 It is linked to Sears parts database via satellite. The SST-PR-1 is 
 the SSID of an integral access point that allows the driver to use a 
 laptop from inside the customer's home to check on parts, see service 
 manuals, etc. The SST stands for Sears Smart Toolbox.
 
 I once told a friend about it and he set up a laptop to warn him when 
 the Sears guy entered the neighborhood on his way to fix their 
 refrigerator.  An early warning system of sorts.
 
 So, the big SST-PR-1 mystery was finally solved by a 12 year old kid!
 
 Ralph
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRUCKPC
 
 AHA
 
 I've been wondering where the hell that TruckPC request has been 
 coming from!!
 
 Occasionally, I have techs who have left the radius authentication 
 disabled on an access point and the dhcp logs will start to fill up 
 with requests from TruckPC.  They were coming from access points all
over
 the place and I was a little perplexed.   It is interesting to watch our 
 radius logs too.  I have one AP overlooking a little town of 200 
 people, but it is right next to an interstate and the radius log from 
 that AP is always showing logins.  Must be all the trucker laptops 
 whizzing by looking for an open AP.
 
 I've been toying with the idea of turning on hotspot functionality so 
 that we can provide transient access, and this is probably a good 
 reason to do it.
 
 Matt Larsen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Ralph wrote:
 Well, JohnnyO- you might want to also educate these people, then:
 http://www.drivertech.com/

 Their product, a Truckpc is being installed in many fleet vehicles. 
 One fleet that comes to mind is US Express, a long haul package 
 hauling
 service
 http://www.usxpress.com/   The device communicates back to the office via
 Satellite, Cellular, or WiFi- whichever is available and cheaper.  
 According to the manufacturer, it can hunt down open and unsecured 
 access points and do your HIGHLY illegal act of connecting and 
 sending its data whenever it can.

 I'm not endorsing this behavior, of course

RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Smith
Patrick, 

what exactly is this illegal hardware you're referring to ?

Can't be tranzeo


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

Lonnie,

Not sure why you are fired up. Your product is software that gets loaded
into hardware so I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about illegal
hardware and what is untrue about what I said about illegal hardware
suppliers?

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 10:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

Patrick,

This is simply the LOWEST blow I have EVER seen you throw.  You have always
been an Evangelist and I have seen you come and go from several lists, while
me and my people have survived legal blind sides and we have outlived
several LARGER companies.

Yep, pretty low.  Plus it did not answer the question.  I feel I cannot jump
in since I am too close to the product and thus might be seen as self
serving.  What is your excuse?


Lonnie


On 12/28/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I mean, besides simply being illegal, such a vendor has no quality 
 controls, they can also just up and walk away from you and quit 
 anytime, they have no accountability, and it throws away your 
 investment from an equity standpoint.


 Patrick Leary
 AVP WISP Markets
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
 Vonage: 650.641.1243
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] StarOS or Microtik with TRCPQ clients...

 On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Patrick Leary wrote:

 Why not stick with Tranzeo or one of the other legal
 (FCC-certified) brands?

 Good idea, Patrick, but it doesn't answer the question that was asked.

 --
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 Network Engineering and Security Consulting
 573-276-2879
 http://www.butchevans.com/
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 (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)
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RE: [WISPA] STar-OS and 900 mhz

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Smith
Interesting thing is Mikrotik is seeing the same problem on 3.0beta4.

They say it'll be corrected when beta 5 is released.  No date on t
that yet

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] STar-OS and 900 mhz


Tom,  I haven't got time at the moment, but I have some experience with this
combination...

I'll write more later... but I believe there's a driver or radio problem
that causes this.

Mark


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email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries
to purchasing at neofast dot net

- Original Message -
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: [WISPA] PAcket loss with CSMA/CA


 I just installed a PTP 900Mhz Atheros SR9 StarOSV3 link that had 5% packet
 loss that I could not get rid of.
 (Set 12mbps modulation, and averaged greater than 20db SNR.)

 In theory, CSMA/CA should not get PAcket loss, like a TDD system might, as
 the CSMA waits for acknowledment and re-transmits if it does not get it,
 Wifi's built-in native ARQ.

 I was not surprices to see Latency skyrocket, or retransmisson to sky
 rocket, but I was surprised to see uncorrectable 5% packetloss.
 Any ideas on why it occured.  Meaning why 802.11 MAC didn't self correct
the
 packet loss with its native re-transmission?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:47 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived -
 regardinginterference - Part 1


 I go to see Mickey Mouse for a few days and look where this thread has
 gone...wow

 So, my 2 cents...

 One of the largest concerns in the license-exempt world is the question of
a
 system's interference robustness.  However, before we can get into further
 detail on the pros and cons of Alvarion VL vs Canopy, CSMA/CA vs GPS,
etc --
 it is necessary to realize that interference as a term is extremely broad
 and vague, and can mean just about anything to anyone.  Heck, all radios
in
 the market have some sort of interference robustness / avoidance
 capability -- the trick to understanding a system's capabilities is
knowing
 what TYPE of interference the system can actually handle.  Read on...I'll
 talk more about each particular platform when I get some time to write
Part
 2 =)



 WHAT IS INTERERENCE?

 In the wireless world, interference, by definition, is a situation where
 unwanted radio signals operate in the same frequency channels or bands -
 i.e. they mutually interfere, disrupt or add to the overall noise level
in
 the intended transmission.

 Interference can be divided into two forms, based on whether it comes from
 your own network(s) or from an outside source.  If the interfering RF
 signals emanate from a network under your control, whether it is on the
same
 tower or several miles away, it is termed self-interference.  If the
 opposing signals come from a network, device or other source that is not
 under your control, it is termed outside interference.  Thus, the
 definition of what type of interference is being combated is not based on
 technology, but ownership.

 In licensed bands, where spectrum is relatively scarce (due to high costs)
 self-interference alone must be taken into account; however given a more
or
 less known operating environment (the radio spectrum will only have
signals
 transmitting that are under control by a single entity) proper product
 design and network deployment can reduce these interferes to a level where
 they do not impact network performance.

 Self-interference is not a phenomenon that is confined to licensed band
 operations; license-exempt bands must address the same issues.  The
 techniques and design elements of a given product that serve to reduce and
 tame self-interference in licensed band operations can be applied directly
 to license-exempt systems.

 THE LICENSE-EXEMPT CHALLENGE OF INTERFERENCE

 In the license-exempt bands, not only must self-interference be accounted
 for, but, given the nature of the regulations governing these bands,
 external interference must be designed for as well.  This can be extremely
 challenging, as there is no way of knowing in advance where these outside
 signals may be or will be sourced from, or even how strong the interfering
 transmissions will be relative to the desired transmission.  This aspect
of
 the license-exempt bands represents the possible downside of
 license-exempt network operation.

 Yet as potentially damaging and unpredictable as external interference can
 be in license-exempt networks, a properly designed and implemented

RE: [WISPA] att condition - broadband

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Smith
keyword...offer...

buzzword...Wi-max...

aka fluff...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] att condition - broadband 

By December 31, 2007, ATT/BellSouth will offer broadband Internet access
service (i.e., Internet access service at speeds in excess of 200 kbps in at
least one direction) to 100 percent of the residential living units in the
ATTBellSouth in-region territory. 2 To meet this commitment, ATT/BellSouth
will offer broadband Internet access services to t least 85 percent of such
living units using wireline technologies (the Wireline Buildout Area).
ATT/BellSouth will make available broadband Internet access service to the
remaining living units using alternative technologies and operating
arrangements, including but not limited to satellite and Wi-Max fixed
wireless technologies . ATTBellSouth further commits that at least 30
percent of the incremental deployment after the Merger Closing Date
necessary to achieve the Wireline Buildout Area commitment wi11 be to rural
areas or low income living units. 3

-- 


Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884
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RE: [WISPA] latest ATT filing

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Smith
why?  You're the only one against it

*wink* *wink* *nod* *nod*

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] latest ATT filing

Apparently, the rumor is the deal will be approved by the end of the day
today. Seems like there should be some time period for public comment.

-Matt



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[WISPA] Ruckus Units...

2006-12-26 Thread Rick Smith
Did someone say they were a ruckus dealer  ?

I'd like to get a unit to test in a specific coverage area.
R


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RE: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-19 Thread Rick Smith
as long as you OFFER it to them on a poster somewhere in the building.

At least, that's what NJ says...  that way it's opt in and there's no
discrimination

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

Peter,

Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take health
care, so does every employee is incorrect. We have consulted with our
accountant and our attorney on this exact matter. We have about 30% of our
employees with health insurance and 70% without.

Travis
Microserv

Peter R. wrote:
 Sweat equity.
 The Google boys' $1 salary.
 Different levels of stock.
 Investors.
 }}} All of that is tax planning and corporate law.
 An S Corp has limitations - both tax and structure.
 There is a limit on who can be a stockholder and how many. (Like no 
 foreign investment).
 There can only be one kind of stock.
 Everyone in an S Corp has to get the same benefits - so if you take 
 health care, so does every employee.
 Minutes and meetings are required annually.
 Business plan is a necessity.
 Also, losses for 4 years straight for an LLC and S Corp is a flag at 
 the IRS. Losses indicate a hobby.
 BTW, some states don't like the LLC (like California).

 The 2 reasons to incorporate is to reduce tax liability and protect 
 against personal liability (asset protection).

 Asset protection and tax strategy are complicated. Many CPA's aren't 
 equipped to do complex tax work. (They can only pump a 1040). Three 
 good tax/asset strategists are Sandy Botkin, Lee Phillips, and Lisa Tom.

 Make sure that your CPA is willing to go with you to the IRS to defend 
 your accounting practices. (And I would get that it writing).

 Regards,

 Peter Radizeski
 RAD-INFO, Inc.
 (813) 963-5884





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[WISPA] Want a portable tower ?

2006-12-19 Thread Rick Smith
I've got two of these, exactly the same.  They're really stable.  I've never
measured them, but they say they go about 20' into the air.  I am 6' and
this one's about 2x over my head.  I'd say around 15' or so, and there's
still a lot to crank up on it.

Got bored the other day, so I raised some Christmas lights :)

They cost about $1k each, and about $250 to ship together to me from Texas,
about 2 yrs ago.

We never used 'em, as I never had the time / cash to get together a trailer
to mount 'em to.

Name me a price offlist, and I'll make a deal.  They're both in perfect
working condition.

R


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RE: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios

2006-12-19 Thread Rick Smith
I figure about 15 minutes for an RB112 / mikrotik / SR5 and SR2 cards
w/cables, exterior cables, and antenna hookup / testing.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Building WARboard radios

On average, how long does it take, to build a WAR/rootenna radio system,
start to finish.
Or I should say, how much time should the manager allocate for the process
to be complete by their techs.
Lets define some common variables
Say the tech is building 5 at a time, of the same configuration.
Assume that its mounting equipment that does not come as a complete kit,
meaning the follow ing variable could occurs
Need to find the correct standoffs.
Net to cut sheet metal and drill holes for backplane.
Need to power up and teset radio.
Boards are WAR board preloaded with Firmware.

PS. The WAR boards have narrower diameter mounting hole, and the typical
coarse thread gold PC stand-offs are to wide and thread into the hole in
appropriately.
Any one have a source for the fine thread narrower diameter standoffs and
nuts?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband 

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RE: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought

2006-12-19 Thread Rick Smith
nope :)  Guess why.  Right.  No one's getting my info from that data.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] FW: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has
Been Sought

Anyone else get this?

 

 

  _  

From: FCC 477 Contact [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:46 AM
To: FCC 477 Contact
Subject: Notice That Public Release of FCC Form 477 Data Has Been Sought

 

The attached Public Notice is being sent to you because you were the contact
person for a FCC Form 477 filing. If you filed Form 477 as a contractor,
consultant, or legal counsel for a client company, you may wish to forward
this information to your client. The Public Notice provides a contact for
further information. The Public Notice is also available online at
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-2534A1.pdf. 

 

 

 


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[WISPA] Canopy 900 Mhz connectorized stuff

2006-12-18 Thread Rick Smith
Got 2 AP's and 3 SM's, all 900 connectorized, all advantage hardware.

Need to get rid of them, and recoup $$$, to be honest.
They were installed, but only for a few weeks.  
We pulled the POP due to lack of funding for the area.

Looking for $1200 per AP, and $250 per SM.

Contact me offlist.

R



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[WISPA] RE: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat

2006-12-18 Thread Rick Smith
http://www.blabitonline.com is the site for my private-network
secure i/m server and client.

Not compatible with anything else, on purpose.  Only closed-network.

R


-Original Message-
From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 9:09 PM
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: RE: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat

Hey I wrote blab-it, still have it.  Oops, just noticed the website's not
working.  lol.

I've got several customers using it, it's just plain jane instant messaging,
VERY secure - better than any government standards :)

R

-Original Message-
From: Josh Cheney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 7:12 PM
To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com
Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] ot, private chat

Would a Jabber server fill their needs?

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it.  It was a 
 private chat system.  I have a couple of corporate customers that are 
 interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want 
 it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they 
 want better security.
 
 Anyone know of such a beast?  I could probably handle something that 
 rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's 
 server is what they are mostly after.
 
 thanks!
 Marlon

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RE: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far.......

2006-12-16 Thread Rick Smith
I don't even know where to start.

I understand the malicious part - employee gone bad, fine.  Punish him.  But
2 years ?  and 3 yrs after ?

This is unlicensed stuff, can we really claim business interruption !?  I
would've hoped I had a defense attorney that could say Hey, they have to
accept ALL interference from ANY source since it's unlicensed...  No matter
the source.

Of course, this is my opinion.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far...

The malicious code also locked SBT out of its own network so the damage
could not be repaired by the normal process of remotely reconfiguring the
access points from the company's office. This forced SBT's executives to
send technicians to the homes or businesses of every single subscriber. Some
users were down for less than a day while others were out of service for up
to three weeks, according to the indictment.

Fisher's malicious code also was designed to force SBT's equipment to
repeatedly broadcast radio signals that would interfere with the signals of
UT1 Internet and its customers.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20061216/tc_cmp/196700266

A former IT consultant for a wireless Internet service provider was
sentenced to two years in prison for breaking into the company's network and
bringing down their service last year.
ADVERTISEMENT

Ryan Fisher, 24, of Vernal, Utah, received a sentence of 24 months in prison
to be followed by 36 months of supervised release for intentionally damaging
a protected computer. U.S. District Judge Paul G. 
Cassell also ordered Fisher to pay $65,000 in restitution.

Fisher was charged on Feb. 15, 2006, in connection with the Feb. 28, 2005,
attack that shut down Wi-Fi service to the customers of SBT Internet and UT1
Internet, which both provide service in and around Vernal, Utah. He pleaded
guilty and was sentenced on Wednesday.

The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail
notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she
required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, her
provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24 hours.

Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a suitable
organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost Internet access,
she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus potentially extending
the period she would have to wait for another donor, wrote prosecutors in
the indictment.

SBT Internet hired Fisher in the fall of 2004 as a contractor to help
install and support wireless networks. The company trained Fisher and
provided him administrator-level access to its networks. They also gave him
passwords and encryption keys for customer's access points, as well as for
the computer that controlled the company's radio towers that transmit Wi-Fi
signals to its users.

Fisher reportedly stopped working at SBT in February, 2005 because of a
disagreement about some financial and business issues, according to the
indictment.

After he left SBT, he went to work for Internet Works, a competing service
provider in the same area. He then bought the company and changed its name
to East Basin Internet.

According to the government, Fisher admitted he used an administrative
password to break into SBT's network on Feb. 28, 2005. Once in the network,
he plant malicious code that directed the radio tower computer to cut off
Wi-Fi service to the company's users.

The malicious code also locked SBT out of its own network so the damage
could not be repaired by the normal process of remotely reconfiguring the
access points from the company's office. This forced SBT's executives to
send technicians to the homes or businesses of every single subscriber. Some
users were down for less than a day while others were out of service for up
to three weeks, according to the indictment.

Fisher's malicious code also was designed to force SBT's equipment to
repeatedly broadcast radio signals that would interfere with the signals of
UT1 Internet and its customers. Both companies reported spending at least
$5,000 each to discover what was causing the outages and get service back
up.

In total, more than 170 customers lost Internet service. The attack
reportedly caused more than $65,000 in damages.


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RE: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-16 Thread Rick Smith
of course, if you own an Scorp, you HAVE to have annual meetings with
minutes and post annual reports to the state.  At least in NJ.

And, Tom's right.  Repayment of loans is a nice way to not pay tax.  NOW,
you can only do that if you've actually loaned the company things.  But if
you're a working partner, you're loaning time to the company which needs
to be repaid at a certain rate. (so long as you don't claim expenses like
mileage and other reimbursements - then you HAVE to take a salary.  can't
have the best of both worlds)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

Check with your CPA on that.
The IRS likes to see salary and other activities that represent that your
company really is a company and not a tax shelter so that you avoid the
sole proprietor tax schedule.
(It's called piercing the veil -- if you don't have minutes and annual
shareholder meetings and run it like a business, you lose the corporate
shield for tax purposes AND for liability as in civil litigation).

- Peter

Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Zero.  When the CEO is also the primary investor, and the company is 
 an S-corp or LLC, why pay payroll tax, when you can just take a 
 repayment of loan?
 The salary of the CEO can be meaningless unless also disclosed wether 
 they have an equity position or not, and of what caliber.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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RE: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too far.......

2006-12-16 Thread Rick Smith
I still get junk mail in my mailbox at the road.

I don't like pay-per-email ideas - they (spammers) will then just pay...

I think the internet really needs to revamp the smtp idea with authenticated
senders.   Just having a 25 port open shouldn't be enough

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Email a Critical Service? was: A wisp who went a little too
far...

If email becomes that important then your business becomes worth more money.
I welcome it personally. Obviously we will all need to investigate ways of
creating a more stable email environment than we have now. I think we will
need to consider developing a pay per email 
platform where messages are billable. This goes both ways. It fixes the spam
issue also. This is our chance to become as important to the American public
as the delivery of first class mail. This is important to discuss and
debate. What is better? Email is not important or is vitally important?
Scriv


fred wrote:

 Why in the world, I want to know, are organ availability notifications 
 going out via email???!!! Seriously. How fun will it be when they 
 start serving subpeonas and such that way - What I never got that 
 email??

 ~fred

 On 12/16/06, Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The really interesting part of this:


 
  The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an 
  e-mail notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant 
  that she required, according to prosecutors. Because of her 
  critical status,
 her
  provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24
 hours.
 
  Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a 
  suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost 
  Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, 
  thus potentially extending the period she would have to wait for 
  another donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment.
 

People are starting to believe their email is guaranteed and 
 that their computers can be entrusted with life saving information. 
 Worse yet, it appears these prosecutors would have trumped this up 
 and made hay out of it had her mail not gotten there. So in another 
 context - what if the stock pump and dump scammers started using 
 wrapper text that mentioned organ donations to the point of poisoning 
 the Bayesian databases of all spamassassin enabled mail servers? What 
 if the mail has been blocked outright due to other spam filtering 
 already in place? Or put into a quarantine and she didn't look in her 
 quarantine box in time? Or if the sending server of the mail was on 
 an RBL due to some other user at the site sending spam to spamcop 
 spamtraps for example?

Drama is drama. I think what this guy did was reprehensible 
 and he certainly deserves the clink, but what he did is not any kind 
 of threat or risk to health and safety - the stupidity of using email 
 and computers for life saving communications IS.

 $0.02

 Mike-

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RE: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far.......

2006-12-16 Thread Rick Smith
oh yeah, that organ donor email thing is a bunch of crap.

If you were in that situation, you'd be given a pager and a cell phone.

They ring the pager, call the cell, call your house, and will have someone
come to your house and PICK YOU UP IN AN ANBULANCE if it's that life
threatening.

THAT claim, I believe, is reprehensible.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Ireton
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 1:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A wisp who went a little too far...


The really interesting part of this:


 
 The attack cut off service for one woman who was waiting for an e-mail 
 notifying her about the availability of an organ transplant that she 
 required, according to prosecutors. Because of her critical status, 
 her provider gave her priority status and restored her access within 24
hours.
 
 Had her medical providers sent her an e-mail notifying her of a 
 suitable organ donor and had she not responded because of her lost 
 Internet access, she might have lost her priority for an organ, thus 
 potentially extending the period she would have to wait for another 
 donor, wrote prosecutors in the indictment.
 

People are starting to believe their email is guaranteed and that
their computers can be entrusted with life saving information. Worse yet, it
appears these prosecutors would have trumped this up and made hay out of it
had her mail not gotten there. So in another context - what if the stock
pump and dump scammers started using wrapper text that mentioned organ
donations to the point of poisoning the Bayesian databases of all
spamassassin enabled mail servers? What if the mail has been blocked
outright due to other spam filtering already in place? Or put into a
quarantine and she didn't look in her quarantine box in time? Or if the
sending server of the mail was on an RBL due to some other user at the site
sending spam to spamcop spamtraps for example?

Drama is drama. I think what this guy did was reprehensible and he
certainly deserves the clink, but what he did is not any kind of threat or
risk to health and safety - the stupidity of using email and computers for
life saving communications IS.

$0.02

Mike-

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RE: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades

2006-12-14 Thread Rick Smith
now that's cool.

See if Brandon can figure out the how many hosts are behind that IP
address solution where you can then figure out who's reselling your service
or just plain sharing it with everyone and their neighbor, at your expense.

I've heard there's a set of bytes in the netflow headers that will tell you
the mac address of the host behind the NAT box...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] more ip tracking upgrades

Brandon has just made some changes on our tracking system.

The biggest one is that we can now see top users per day.  This will allow
us to follow more of what's going on at night.  Like yesterday, someone sent
3 gigs up to the net.  They've got something on their machine that they are
really not gonna want.

Trying to pick that one customer out of all of the traffic that normally
goes on was a real pain.  With the new stuff it was a cake walk.

radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack

laters,
marlon

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RE: [WISPA] AP Search

2006-12-14 Thread Rick Smith

http://www.mikrotik.com hands down these days.
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AP Search

We're still looking for the ideal Access Point.  We realize we can't pack
much more then 30-40 on these so that's one limitation.  We use basically
three types:  Older Smartbridges 2510 which are great units but unavailable,
the New Smartbridges replacements which don't seem to want to consistently
stay up and Engenius AP's.

The reason we like the Smartbridge is because it allows a pass through
username/password style of authentication that bypasses the switch so we can
have a centralized access granted in our radius server and it interfaces to
our billing.  We haven't found another like it.  On the other hand the
Engenius has to have authentication through the switch before radius so the
AP is essentially open to relaying from unethical competitors while the
smartbridges.  

We're pretty sick of the new smartbridges being not only unreliable but
takes forever to put in a MAC through it's overly complicated and slow
loading internal menus.  If you have any others that can work like the old
2510' s with good capacity and pass through radius please let me know.

Thanks,
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc. 

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RE: [WISPA] salary

2006-12-14 Thread Rick Smith
I've been going through a bunch of sale / merger / buyout / funding meetings
lately, and that's about the salary they've all agreed on for an owner of a
wisp at around 500 users.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] salary

I just take what I need home.  It doesn't amount to much but the company
pays all gas, cell phone, auto repair, computer etc. bills.  So the number
isn't really fair.

We billed an insurance company for some work that I did after a storm, we
negotiated a $4000 per month rate for me as a typical paycheck for a person
with a company of this one's size.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] salary


 Hi,

 Just taking a quick survey... answer if you can, but be honest... ;)

 What is the salary of the CEO of your ISP? Even if you can share the 
 percentage of that salary compared to annual gross revenue...

 Travis
 Microserv
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[WISPA] Mikrotik / SR9 / Incorrect Noise Floor

2006-12-13 Thread Rick Smith
I've been seeing something strange in a pop I'm changing over from 
Trango 900 to Tik and SR9.

The Trango AP reports the noise floor ( on all 4 channels ) to be 
no worse than -88 (for vpol, that's awesome!)   I can make a link 
from 2 miles out with the trango, no problem.   I remember surveying 
with a canopy 900 AP as well, and seeing about the same - -86 to -90.

When I switch radios, with same antennas (the trango cpe in that
case was using external antenna), I get no link, but an observed 
signal strength at the CPE side of -75 (which the trango CPE said
too.)

At the AP side, the Mikrotik box (version 2.9.38) reports a noise
floor when using the monitor app, of -38!!  This has GOT to be a bug.

Has anyone else here seen this ?  The problem here, is that
these buggy numbers throw off the SNR ratio, and no connection
from CPE- AP can be made.




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RE: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !

2006-12-11 Thread Rick Smith
Sign em to a 2 yr contract, up his fee by x$ (with some discount tossed in),
and be done with it.

As a cancellation fee, charge him that year's service you missed.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !

I agree.

I'd say, I forgot to bill you yada yada, but since I'm such a nice guy I
will not charge you the late fees, not disconnect you, and give you 6 months
to catch up.

Brian

George Rogato wrote:

 Agreed, and I would not have mentioned any issues with my system either.
 What I would do though is offer not to charge him the late fees. You 
 do charge late fees, right?

 George

 Peter R. wrote:

 This wasn't an email kind of thing.
 This was a phone call or visit kind of event.

 - Peter


 Jenco Wireless wrote:

 I just sent him an e-mail:



 Hello Mr. XXX . We just did a review of our credit card billing and 
 realized that we have not successfully billed your account since 
 7/26/05.
 Our credit card service tried to bill you a few times (6), but for 
 some reason was declined payment.  Due to the timing of the 
 catastrophic lightning strike we had in August '05, we did not catch 
 this situation.  We realize that some of this is our issue, since we 
 did not catch it, but some may be on your end as well for the same 
 reason (not noticing the fact that a charge for our service has not 
 been incurred for the last 15 months).  We would like to know your 
 thoughts on how you think we should proceed with this?


 Thank you,

 Me


 ** Note - Why do the people who seem to be the nicest you have ever 
 met seem to turn in to the biggest a-holes as soon as there is a 1 
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RE: [WISPA] I want one!!!

2006-12-11 Thread Rick Smith
about 50k.  I remember getting rambunxious a while back.

That call calmed me down :)

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] I want one!!!

I just ordered the catalog and made a call. I will let you know about
pricing!!

Regards,
David Weddell
Director of Sales
 
260 827 2551 Office
800 363 4881  Ext 2551
260 273 7547 Cell
 
www.onlyinternet.net
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Wow!  Me, too.  Any idea on pricing?

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
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RE: [WISPA] Industry failings

2006-12-05 Thread Rick Smith
ditto, and now I've taken over 100% of the company from the one person
that did help me along early on.

We built a large network here in NJ - across 12 locations, and it covers
1000's of potential accounts with no access to dsl or cable.

Now looking for someone to come in with some operating / capex capital 
and get some real growth going.   Been in business plan mode for a week now.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings

Same here!

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:

Ok, thanks

I'm 100% organic growth, here.

And self-funded, too.  

Call it bootstrap, if you like.



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neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East 
Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct 
commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net

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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings


  

Organic Growth means creating revenue through sales and marketing.

*Organic growth* is the rate of business /wiki/Business expansion 
through increasing output and sales as opposed to mergers 
/wiki/Merger, acquisitions /wiki/Acquisition and take-overs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_growth

Regards,

Peter Radizeski
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884
http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com

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RE: [WISPA] Industry failings

2006-12-05 Thread Rick Smith
exactly.

I've had two sales guys over the years, neither one of them
could understand the concept of sell it where we've got it

I'm willing to bet you guys have all seen the same problem.

coverage area's worth nothing unless you have the means and
the people to sell customers there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Industry failings

Rick Smith wrote:
 We built a large network here in NJ - across 12 locations, and it 
 covers 1000's of potential accounts with no access to dsl or cable.

 Now looking for someone to come in with some operating / capex capital 
 and get some real growth going.   Been in business plan mode for a week
now.

   
Just make sure you don't try an sell your investment based on market
opportunity alone. I have met many WISPs that talk about how much their
company is worth based on their coverage area. The problem is that for many
of them, they don't sell enough in their coverage area and years go by
without enough penetration.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-02 Thread Rick Smith
I thought about the same things.  Once I put canopy or trango in, I've gotta
replace
the whole damn radio once cable / dsl starts taking away my customers.

I'm in a cable / dsl area, and taking customers away from them, and basing
it on 
Mikrotik.  We're faster, not cheaper, and definitely better.  But without
being
able to push 5 meg to the customer, I couldn't offer those plans.  

Doing that with anything but Mikrotik or PERHAPS tranzeo is costly or
impossible, in this
area due to 900 mhz needs and no clear 5.8 range.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

I second Patrick comments,

As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only way I
would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that equipment
out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could be Trango or
Alvarion.

802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been there,
done that.  Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked back.  Let
me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my company..


Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

No, at the moment just anecdotal. 

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about
your
 network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, 
 but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price.
An
 Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may 
 fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and
this
 is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An
 802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value.
That's
 just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the 
 roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed
him
 in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his
opinion.)


Hi Patrick,

What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will fetch a
higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical sell prices?
I'd be interested to see it.

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Primaverity, LLC
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RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

2006-12-02 Thread Rick Smith
using SR9's, with small cells - 1 - 2 milers.   I have towers fed with 5 gig
Tik, and there's generally 20 meg available at any tower. We're pulling 5
gig connections down to a vantage point or two, then using an SR9 with an
omni from there to feed SR9 CPEs that have SR2 APs inside

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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:41 AM
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How can you do 5 meg per client on 900 MHz? You would have to have several
times that speed available per sector. Are you using the whole 900 MHz band
on one sector? If yes then how do you stop self-interference on adjacent
sectors?
Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:

I thought about the same things.  Once I put canopy or trango in, I've 
gotta replace the whole damn radio once cable / dsl starts taking away 
my customers.

I'm in a cable / dsl area, and taking customers away from them, and 
basing it on Mikrotik.  We're faster, not cheaper, and definitely 
better.  But without being able to push 5 meg to the customer, I 
couldn't offer those plans.

Doing that with anything but Mikrotik or PERHAPS tranzeo is costly or 
impossible, in this area due to 900 mhz needs and no clear 5.8 range.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:22 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

I second Patrick comments,

As a growing wisp and looking to acquisition opportunities, the only 
way I would buy a 802.11 based wisp was in the premise of tearing that 
equipment out and putting some Canopy in place... for others it could 
be Trango or Alvarion.

802.11 gear is good for starting out, but it doesn't scale ... been 
there, done that.  Replaced 100's of 11b gear with Canopy, never looked 
back.  Let me say more, that was the turning point of growth on my
company..


Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

No, at the moment just anecdotal. 

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients

On 12/2/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about


your
  

network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, 
but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price.


An
  

Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may 
fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and


this
  

is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An
802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value.


That's
  

just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the 
roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed


him
  

in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his


opinion.)


Hi Patrick,

What basis do you have for the claim that an Alvarion network will 
fetch a higher price than a Canopy network? Some analysis of historical
sell prices?
I'd be interested to see it.

Best,
--
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Primaverity, LLC
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