Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

2011-02-16 Thread Ron Wallace
Charles has another good idea, But would they kill-off the smallest WISPS?
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-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband

It looks like a success-based voucher technologically neutral system for USF 
Reform/CAF is what's being proposed by the RCA (Rural Cellular Association) 
http://rca-usa.org/press/rca-press-releases/five-things-the-fcc-can-do-to-accelerate-broadband-deployment/914048
 Perhaps WISPA should/could partner up with them for a stronger voice? -Charles 
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, 
February 11, 2011 11:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC 
Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband We need to have the USF turned 
into a voucher credit system that the end user can apply to what ever supplier 
they chose. Maybe its not the best idea, but I do not feel I have heard of a 
better one. Better for /the users/ not better for the I/CLECs and other very 
vested interests. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:  At 
2/11/2011 01:06 AM, JohnS wrote:  The FCC is looking for comments, so we all 
need to make   it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and 
all   broadband providers! 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 Bret We 
should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any form of 
broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a New Internet 
Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up about it.   The FCC 
can't eliminate USF entirely. It is statutory: The Telecom  Act of 1996 
established USF and called for it to keep rural telephone  rates comparable to 
urban rates. Because rural states get two  senators just like big states, they 
have undue influence on subsidy  legislation. Ted Stevens of Alaska was a 
leader here; he later  wanted the FCC to outlaw VoIP, since it threatened the 
costly toll  minutes that paid into USF.   The new proposal makes matters 
worse, though, since it keeps existing  USF intact and adds yet another fund 
to allow one provider per place  to provide subsidized Internet access. I 
expect that it will usually  be the ILEC, getting more money to compete with 
WISPs.   --  Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com  ionary 
Consulting http://www.ionary.com/  +1 617 795 2701 

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[WISPA] No connectivity at 3-5 user locations, seems strange

2010-08-21 Thread Ron Wallace
Anyone who can help,

We have 3-5 users that cannot access the internet via Canopy 9000 SMC's w/ 17 
dB Yagi, ss600 surge,

When config'd to freq.  Color Code, same firmware version as AP - AP does not 
see the radio, radio does not see tower AP. Go to 'tools' in SM, alignment 
mode, and we have -60 to -70 dBm on all radios, spectrum analyzer shows a good 
signal across the 924 MHz channel. Switch off the alignment mode and 'SA', 'go 
back to 'status' and there is only the 107 to 108 RSSI.

One site I have changed out the entire installation, been good for four years, 
the same result. Rural area, 1-5 miles separation between sites, happening on 
two (2) different 9000 APC's.

Customers are unhappy, I am stumped. Does anyone know the answer to the 
problem? A suggestion, anything?

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[WISPA] MS Sys7 connection Problem, need help

2010-08-13 Thread Ron Wallace
All,

Since the last week of July we have had a number, 8-10 now, of customers that 
have MicroSoft System 7 on thier PC's, and they cannot connect to the Canopy 
network. After configuring the Local Area Connection properly, when the browser 
is open the 'local area connection' looses access to the net.

Has anyone else experienced similar behavior? I'm not that familiar Sys7. At 
the same time my laptop,running XP, will hook-up and 'go nuts'. Any clues, I 
need help.

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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
 Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the 
Wireshark you learned from Brett?


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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate 
individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too 
late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. 
As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but 
the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I 
missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me 
tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being 
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Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

2010-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
 Thanks Forbes, that is helpful. I'm on my way to do that now. Thanks again.

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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 11:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!

Ron,

I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for inWireShark or 
just where is WireShark? The program I just got fromgoogle. Ultimately I went 
to the tower where the problem was andisolated it from the network. Shut off 
everyone and turned them on oneat a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately 
when that person wason. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't 
reset so Ipulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let 
meknow if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that sayhow bad 
bridging a large network is are right on!

Forbes

On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes,

I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could youshare the 
Wireshark you learned from Brett?


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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com]
Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP

Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointedout how to isolate 
individual bridges with WireShark. I did that andfound the tower, it's too late 
today but having that tower down broughtthe rest of the system back up. As 
Marlon said so will you be routedtomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the 
switchover from Bridged toRouted is about my highest priority now. I missed a 
great summerweekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. 
Thanksso much for once again reminding me how great it is being in 
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Re: [WISPA] Towers....

2009-04-14 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Bob, was that 4 bedroom an inlaw unit in the backyard?

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-Original Message-
From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Towers

Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.If any of you guys or 
gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We 
have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last 
time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or 
some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' 
freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up 
perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and 
color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! 
Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower 
together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short 
ANYTHING.We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward 
to it.Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything 
from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these toge
 ther can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying 
it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from 
Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. 
Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. 
And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each 
individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had 
enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-)Just an 
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Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

2009-03-26 Thread Ron Wallace
Charles,

I am looking at 'Freeside' billing system from Jeremy Davis  Maximum 
Technology. I am interested in your 'Merchant Services', (I understand it is 
part of the Freeside System) I have Service Stations and other businesses that 
should be interested in lowering their Merchant Services costs. How can we work 
together?

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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

As for merchant services, we have a very nice system in place through 
ourlocal bank. We're quite happy with it and we're getting very good 
rates.Good for youRemember, credit card rates are all based upon fraud  risk 
(e.g., a swiped card has a lower transaction rate than a phone order / keyed 
card) -- that said, there are specific rate structures that were implemented 
about 4-5 years ago to account for the fact that ISP/Telco/CableCos bill the 
same people every month and that they have extremely low chargebacksYour bank 
(and I'd say 99% of the credit card industry) doesn't differentiate between 
this and I can say with 100% certainty that you're being labeled as an 
Internet/Ecommerce provider.Additionally, to take advantage of this rate 
structure, Visa/MC require the implementation of enhanced data requirements; 
this can only occur with direct integration into a billing platform (e.g., 
need to get rid of the gateway)We've engaged over 300 service providers since 
the summer, 
 and in EVERY SCENARIO, we have been able to properly reclassify them to take 
advantage of the recurring ISP/Telco/Cableco rates and reduce their payment 
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[WISPA] (no subject)

2009-02-18 Thread Ron Wallace

To All,

Over past I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 towers - Tank type - 
constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? Drawings, etc. I have a 
meeting with a local township to place our facilities on their water tower. And 
I need to write a proposal for the board. 

If you all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

2009-02-18 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Joe, it all helps. Thanks again.

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-Original Message-
From: Joe Miller [mailto:joemiller...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 08:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)

The antennas I have on water towers are attached by beam clamps. I will use a 
1 1/2 piece of EMT pipe, drill a hole through the pipe and connect the beam 
clamp to it with a bolt long enough to go through the pipe. this way nothing is 
welded or drilled into the water tower. If for some reason we have to remove 
out gear, there is nothing that has to be repaired by us or the water 
company.Hope this helps some.--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Ron Wallace  wrote: From: 
Ron Wallace  Subject: [WISPA] (no subject) To: Wispa , 
isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com, WISPA  Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 
5:57 AM To All,  Over past I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 
towers - Tank type - constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? 
Drawings, etc. I have a meeting with a local township to place our facilities 
on their water tower. And I need to write a proposal for the board.   If you 
all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance.  
Ron Walla
 ce Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220  Phone: 
(517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net 
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[WISPA] Antenna Mounts for Elevated Water Tower Tanks

2009-02-18 Thread Ron Wallace

To All,

Overpast I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 towers - Tank type 
-constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? Drawings, etc. Ihave a 
meeting with a local township to place our facilities on theirwater tower. And 
I need to write a proposal for the board. 

If you all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance.

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Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-16 Thread Ron Wallace
I chose Scriv  Tom's Stories. When I first started Scriv, Rick Harnish,  
Marlon shaffer spent a lot of time and energy assisting me whenever I asked for 
help. They never said 'no', they never ignored my requests no matter how simple 
or ignorant of the facts I was. My system is still small, but growing. We are 
getting there. 

If I were to make a recommendation, I would listen closely to what John 
Scrivner, Tom DeReggi, Rick Harnish and others who given so much to you and I 
say and recommend. There are reasons why they are where they are.

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-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 01:33 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] It can mean everything

I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happenedthat 
changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called Bluford,Illinois 
used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time Inever used 900 
MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full oftrees. It is a 
very poor community which led me to believe they could notafford the high price 
of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined theDigital Divide. My attitude 
toward USDA grants was They should stay outof this but if someone will get the 
money it might as well be me. I shotfor the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 
MHz (The only 900 MHz gearavailable at that time) and a new tower. I asked for 
free installs for allresidents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short 
I did everythingthe USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to 
broadbandconventions and told others how to apply for grants.Then a miracle 
happened.My grant was funded. I received $310K to 
 build service into Bluford. It wasthe nicest setup I had ever done. The people 
of Bluford were ecstatic. Over60% of all residents bought service. We built a 
free community technologycenter at the local grade school. We gave free 
broadband to the schools, thevillage hall, the fire department, etc. as a 
condition of the grant. Blufordwas doing great. Still, this had not really 
changed my thinking that UncleSam should keep out of the broadband business.One 
child did change my mind.An 8 year old boy in Bluford got leukemia shortly 
after we setup the newbroadband there. Dad and son, alone, faced the dark days 
ahead. These peoplewere poor folks facing the horrors of cancer. Despite all 
this adversity andgloom the boy had only one major mental obstacle which really 
cut to thecore for him. He could not face the prospects of having to be held 
back ayear of school. You see, he was forced into isolation from killing off 
hisimmune system as a consequence of the bone marrow being destroy
 ed andreplaced. He desparately wanted to finish school with his class. The 
schooolcalled me and asked if we could help with the broadband grant program we 
hadwon. We did. We bought a pan-tilt-zoom camera and set it up on a roll 
aroundcart along with a speakerphone in his classroom. We installed broadband 
inhis home for free using 900 MHz radios to bust through the trees. The 
boyattended classes virtually through this system. He beat his cancer. He 
alsofinished his year with his fellow students.How much is this worth?It seems 
to me that this particular broadband application is much like thePriceless 
description we see in those VISA commercials. But let's try toput a dollar 
amount on it. Is it worth $310K to be able to do this? Is itpossible that this 
one boy's hope alone is worth $310K and the fact that thewhole town now has 
broadband is a bonus?Maybe it is ok to let our leaders lead for a change.I have 
seen many bad things come from bad government in my 43 years on thisear
 th. I have been fortunate enough to see some good things too. Untilrecently I 
thought cynicism was going to rule the day forever in regard togovernment. I 
thought patrotism was dead. I thought the American Dream hadfaded and spoiled 
into a nightmare. Sadly the government has done much toamplify those feelings. 
Regardless of your politics you have to be worried.Maybe it is ok to have hope 
too. Maybe we should try for once to say that wewill take our leader's lead and 
try to stimulate our economy throughbroadband deployment. I am willing to give 
it a shot. Maybe this will notwork but maybe it will. What if success or 
failure of this program is moredependent on how we make use of this program 
than whether or not the programis right or wrong? This is possibly the most 
unique opportunity of ourlives. The government is basically telling us they 
want us to save thecountry. They are opening up the bank and saying to us, 
What would you doto make broadband a stimulating force to aid 
 this country's economy if moneywas not a barrier to your success? I am going 
to have to step up

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

2009-01-22 Thread Ron Wallace
OK, what is AF09? So I'm just a dumb country boy.

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-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 04:44 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

Travis,Ok, I'm game.First of all, a plain 802.11g wireless AP should be thrown 
in the junk pile and replaced with StarOS or MT. Depending on the quality of 
signal and modulation rates from the majority of the users, I would have also 
removed some of the higher mods to reduce rate shifts. And then, I would have 
set up bandwidth profiles for each user to something in the 1meg down/512K up 
range. That would pretty much fix the bandwidth and latency problem.When I do 
your upload test, I don't have the same problems. I do bandwidth control in the 
access point, and with upload rates set to half of the download rates, I have 
no problem putting 50 to 75 users on one AP and still provide good download 
speeds (1meg/2meg/4meg packages) with decent latency (20-40ms latency at peaks) 
and no packet loss. That is also with quite a few VOIP users who would be 
howling if the service didn't work.BTW, Canopy radios at $160 are double the 
cost of a NanoStation. Canopy with a reflector is 3x the 
 cost of a Bullet5 and 26db grid. StarOS APs are at least 1/4th the cost of a 
comparable Canopy AP. Matt Larsenvistabeam.comTravis Johnson wrote: Matt, I 
know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure  we need 
to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could  have setup a 
plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all  different kinds of 
wireless adapters) could have gotten equal  bandwidth and latency at AF09? 
And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11  stuff... 
and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using  StarOS, using 
OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and  we connect two clients 
with laptops and start a continuous upload, the  other client is basically 
dead in the water. Even if we limit the  upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that 
client starts the upload, the  other client has very high latency, very bad 
download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.1
 1... things are not always as they  seem. I know of a large Canopy operator 
that is buying radios for $160  each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only 
deliver 5Mbps total with 128  clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every 
single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, 
but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to  scale beyond 20 users, 
especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can  be done to you before and I 
have consulting clients with 10,000 plus  users on their 802.11 based 
networks scaling right up to the same size  as any Canopy or Trango network. 
You might not be able to get to 150  subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 
50-75 per sector and offer  service that is damn close and a far sight 
cheaper than what Canopy will  do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a 
Canopy system every day  of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that 
is what you get when Canopy guys are  running an 802.11 n
 etwork. If I was running it with the proven  equipment and deployment 
methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks,  there would not have been 
any such problems. Just because the AF09  guys couldn't figure it out (or 
more likely didn't bother to try)  doesn't mean that it can't be done 
right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote:  The 
problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There  is no 
polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like  Trango, 
Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11  stuff down over 
5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP  with reliable, 
consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed 
this at AF09. Everyone connected to the  same AP (48 I think was the count) 
and we continually got disconnected  and the speeds and latency were 
terrible. Could there be a better real  world experience than that? 
 :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote:   All I 
can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 
technology.__  
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deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the 
standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between 
my Star-OS/WAR1  combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has 
active

Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman

2009-01-12 Thread Ron Wallace
Mac, Sharon,  Jeremy,

Mac is in my thoughts  prayers. Never give up, Never give up, Never give up.

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Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman

Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after 
suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart 
attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in 
Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right 
now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through 
this.Matt 
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Re: [WISPA] metal building install

2009-01-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Jim, (jeffco)

you might think about a fabric cover, stretched over a frame. EG,the frabric 
'radomes' on large paraboloids, 6-10'. Not so much inuse today. They are almost 
bullet-proof, can be made to look likealmost anything - synthetic, and light 
weight. Wind loading willbe an issue. Not to mention installation.

We employed this tech. in a similar situation, albeit many yearsago. to extend 
a penthouse vertically 15'. From the groundyou couldn't tell the difference.

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I don't have a picture handy. There isn't much to see though. It is just a 
plain stainless steel wall at the areas the antennas are going. Jim3-dB 
Networks wrote: Can you provide a picture of the building? Daniel White 
3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: 
wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Jim Patient Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General 
List Subject: [WISPA] metal building install We have a project to install 
5GHz sectors on a large beautiful building  that has brushed stainless 
sheeting on the sides. The antennas must be  installed on the outside walls 
and cannot be higher than the sides.  They want the antennas to be hidden or 
as non-obtrusive as possible.  Anyone got any ideas on how to cover, hide, or 
camouflage the  antennas? There will be 3 sectors on each side.  If anyone 
has done something like this and would care to share pictures,  that would
  be great. Jim 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

2009-01-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, Chuck has it. 

A similar system can be found at http://parts.valmont.com -(maintenance/saftey) 
Tuf-Tug Saftey-climb cable system. Midwest - 877-467-4763. Valmont now owns 
Pirod Microflect. They are not cheap, but its the real tower materials.

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Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)

No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. 
I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with 
small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that 
would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would 
engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system.- 
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Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PMSubject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage 
(was Re: Tower accident) That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall 
basically you should only  be leaning back on the cage. You technically 
shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB 
Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:
  [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when 
you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a 
safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem 
great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems 
like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while 
climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing 
something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I 
have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the 
ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg 
that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light 
harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). 
Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Ron Wallace
I agree with you Marlon. There seems to be fewer instances where the membership 
is consulted on issues of importance regarding the FCC. 

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Subject: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

Hi All, As a member of the FCC committee and a long term DC participant (first 
went there as a WISP in 2001 or 2002) I feel I have to point out some critical 
flaws in our proposals. I said much of this at the committee level but to no 
avail. First, let me say this though. The filing is masterful. It's a GREAT 
document. My heartburn has nothing to do with the document it's self or the 
hard work that's gone into it. My heartburn is content based. Well, most of it 
is anyway. I have a problem with WISPA changing it's stance from unlicensed to 
licensed lite without having consulted with the membership on this issue. Our 
last team came back from DC and told us what our new position was. That's NOT 
what I help found WISPA for. I could have just stayed with a couple of the 
other associations that I've been a part of and been man handled like that. 
Lest anyone take this the wrong way, I happen to LIKE the licensed lite 
concept. I just don't like having a committee that will make a maj
 or change without discussion before hand. If there was discussion that said we 
were going to move from unlicensed to licensed lite and I missed it then I 
missed it. I know there had been discussion about the idea but nothing voted on 
by anyone when it came to an official stance. Not the way to run this railroad 
in my, not so, humble opinion. Now, to the whitespaces issue. I have MAJOR 
problems with the stance on adjacent channels. We give up 3 for 1 every time a 
TV channel, or microphone etc. fires up in our area. A TV station goes live and 
we don't loose the channel that they are on, we loose it and 2 on each side. 
This means that in any market that has as little as 1/3rd of the channels in 
use by licensed operators (TV stations AND mics) will be totally useless for 
us. Why not simply set the out of band emissions standards high enough that we 
CAN use adjacent channels? I begged for that language, it satisfies both us and 
the broadcasters. I know it's not technically possib
 le today. So what? Just tonight as I was working on an AP I saw a customer 
connected at the 18meg speed with a signal level of -96. Who'd have imagined 
that would be possible just a couple of year ago? Next, I HATE geolocation 
as the only mechanism. I use circles on a map. I know how inaccurate they 
really are. They also change dramatically as the technology changes. When I 
started my WISP in 2000 a 15 mile cell size was the max. And if we got anywhere 
near 1 meg with a 4 watt EIRP system that also amped the receive signal by 
14ish dB we were oh so happy. Now I can go even further than that and get 2 to 
3 megs with NO amp and an eirp of 1 watt or so. Same exact CPE units that were 
in place when we pulled the AP'd ap system out. Actual signal measurement is 
really the only way to accurately determine interference issues. Well, OK, I 
guess one could just put a large enough exclusion zone around the broadcasters 
to make sure that there is no interference. Unfortunately that
  also means we end up with even less market potential. Here is my idea for 
whitespaces. This is what I'll be personally filing. I'll fine tune it and 
likely add some ideas that slip my mind right now. I'm still more than a bit 
miffed that there wasn't even a vote on our filing (I know I'm whining, but I'm 
well and truly pissed). Geolocation should be used until such time as a sensing 
mechanism can be found that will work. Lets be honest here guys. NO one knows 
IF the FCC will even allow white spaces use let alone with a sensing system. 
Just how much R and D do you think was put into this project in this economy? 
Sensing works great on $60 WiFi cards for God's sake! (Listen before talk, 
CSMAK.) It'll work for TV channels as well. It'll just take a little more time 
and effort. Set a high standard, one that will protect the licensed users and 
then let the market go to work on the problem. Once sales opportunities 
actually exist people will start working on ways to make this hap
 pen. Licensed lite is a great idea. There should be NO first in mechanism 
though. This leads to those with all of the money getting all of the prime 
slots and the rest of us sucking hind teet again. What we should do instead 
(and I floated this idea as well) is follow the Spectrum Policy Task Force's 
recommendation and implement time sharing too. All AP's should require either 
GPS sync or some mechanism that they do among any other AP's that they can 
hear. Each

Re: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas

2008-07-31 Thread Ron Wallace
My experience has been the same as Don Renner.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas

We have had much better performance with M2 900 yagi. Used to use the DMSs. Don 
Renner NetsurfUSA 812-936-4514 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: 
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas Does anyone have any comments on 900MHz 
DMS Wireless sector antennas? They seem to have the highest gain out there but 
the low price has me concerned. Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P 
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)

2008-07-17 Thread Ron Wallace
I would also go, sounds very interesting, Charles.

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I would go John Buwa Michiana Wireless - Original Message - From: 
Charles Wu To: Motorola Canopy User Group ; WISPA General List Cc: Jeff 
Ehman Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG 
in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)  As some of you may (or may not) know, we used 
to organize large trade  shows several years ago...at its height, WiNOG had 
over 500+ attendees  with 50+ exhibiting sponsors (I still have pictures of 
Rick Harnish and  Mac Dearman @ the inaugural WISPA meeting in Chicago almost 
3+ years ago  =)  In 2006, I decided to put an end to the large shows and 
change the format  into a 1-day traveling road-show due to the fact for the 
there hasn't  really been anything all that exciting out there in the market 
that would  drive traffic to get me to put forth the effort to organize a 
large  show...That said, I believe that with recent market developments,  
including the release of the 3.65 GHz band, the commercializati
 on of WiMAX  equipment in the US and the maturation of the market, I have 
enough stuff  to work with to build an interesting content program.  That 
said, before I go out and spend a lot of time and effort throwing  something 
together, I'd like to get a feel for what people feel:  Here are my thoughts  
 1. WiMAX World 2008 is scheduled for Sept 30-Oct 2, 2008  (Tuesday-Thursday) 
in Chicago...with 100+ exhibitors, it makes for a  pretty large gathering of 
the wireless operator industry   2. While WiMAX World has a lot of people 
coming together, it's  focusing more on large mobile broadband operators 
(ClearWire / Sprint) and  the 802.16e WiMAX standard instead of 
small-to-medium operators who would  utilize 802.16d (fixed) WiMAX   3. A 
three-day conference pass for WiMAX World costs almost  $2,000...additionally, 
in looking at the programming, it seems more suited  for Wall-Street / 
Gartner-type Analysts than for operators deploying  systems in the field   
 4. WiMAX World (Yankee Group) is aware that they're content program  doesn't 
really cater to the small-to-medium fixed-wireless operators, so  they've come 
to me with a proposal to put together a more focused /  targeted program on 
the side (that's also cheaper)  Here's my idea   1. Do WiNOG as a smaller 
sub-get-together (100 or so people) focused  on the specific issues of 
fixed-operators on September 29-30  (Monday-Tuesday) right before WiMAX World 
  2. Make WiNOG affordable to the network operators (have 2 tiers of  
admissions - 1 tier for service providers at say $95 to pay for food and  
another tier for vendors / consultants / random people at $500+)   3. Give 
attendees of WiNOG (through some cross-promotional  agreement) the ability to 
go to the WiMAX World Exhibit hall for free on  Oct 1-2 (Wednesday / 
Thursday), so they would get the focused content and  operator peer-to-peer 
discussion along with the chance to experience a  massive exhibit hall  T
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Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Thank You , Forrest. Concise and to the point.
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FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in relation to a previous statement about CALEA being 
good for WISPA:  I can find NO benefit to it of ANY  kind. Nor has anyone I 
know of explained a single benefit, ever. It is  a mandate on how a network 
must function, a limitation to equipment,  software, topology, and redundancy, 
and an absurd notion in the first place.  It is a direct requirement to 
dumb-down and overbuild bandwidth, with NO  return of ANY kind, financial or 
otherwise. From my perspective, almost everyone in the WISP industry got 
broadsided by the whole CALEA thing... But by the time everyone was aware of 
the requirements, it was too late to do anything meaningful as far as the rules 
themselves. What WISPA did was diffuse a potentially very bad and very 
expensive situation for WISP's. In short, the standards which WISPA developed 
and got approved basically says that you have to be able to packet sniff the 
data and provide it to the LEA. One actual statement in the 
 APPROVED standard says: In unusual cases it may be impossible to perform one 
or more of these functions. The WISP is expected to make a best effort attempt 
to satisfy these requirements. It doesn't say you have to redesign your 
network. It doesn't say you have to dumb down a network. It doesn't say you 
have to overbuild bandwidth. Go ahead read the standard.. and realize that the 
ability to comply with this very easy to comply with standard is your safe 
harbor all thanks to the hard work provided by WISPA. You can choose how 
much you want to do to prepare. True, you may have to go put a packet sniffer 
at an AP site in response to a intercept request, but I suspect that would have 
been the case before CALEA as well. -forrest 

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Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Larry,

Is this on the market yet? how could I get a copy to test?

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It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, which are 
increasingly gaining market share. True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't 
building for that market. While I could and probably will build something for 
Linux eventually, it seems irrelevant. If your client has Linux, they probably 
know enough about routing so that this software is unnecessary. Or if that's 
not possible, does anyone have any suggestions as to  other  visual 
languages which DO NOT USE .NET and which might be used for  future  ports 
of this application.  Java. But JAVA requires that a Java VM be installed on 
the PC. The point is to avoid having to install a separate Framework. 
Ideally, I'd like a linker that would just compile in those components within 
.NET that I rely upon. 

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Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Oh yes, and where can i get more info on the User check program?

Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

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Mobile: (517)270-2410 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-Original Message-
From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 04:28 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: Re: [WISPA] User check program

It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, which are 
increasingly gaining market share. True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't 
building for that market. While I could and probably will build something for 
Linux eventually, it seems irrelevant. If your client has Linux, they probably 
know enough about routing so that this software is unnecessary. Or if that's 
not possible, does anyone have any suggestions as to  other  visual 
languages which DO NOT USE .NET and which might be used for  future  ports 
of this application.  Java. But JAVA requires that a Java VM be installed on 
the PC. The point is to avoid having to install a separate Framework. 
Ideally, I'd like a linker that would just compile in those components within 
.NET that I rely upon. 

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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-19 Thread Ron Wallace
Sigh, I'm glad you are the moderator Rick.

Ron Wallace
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 04:16 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

It looks like Mark from Neofast is back disguised as muddyfrogwater. How fun is 
this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:49 PM 
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for 
tracking broadband's reach Im going to repost a response I made privately, 
leaving off the other person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me 
lately. == Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should 
have to conduct even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to 
result absolutely NO benefit to me, and then we'll all get to see some 
politicians claim credit for the spread of broadband, even though that 
spread has been solely the result of some of us working our butts off, and 
risking our own money and 12 hour days. I can find absolutely no reason to 
think that ANY of us are going to benefit from this. T
 he only people who could possibly benefit, would be the Qwest's and the 
Clearwires of the world, who have publicly financed expansion research done 
for them. I doubt any of us, save a handful who cover large areas, could 
benefit at all. I know I make my expansions based on on-the-ground efforts, 
going to door to door and finding out who has broadband, who doesn't and then 
figuring out how to fill the gaps, some of which are as small as a housing 
development with 10 houses in it. This will never be figured out by the FCC or 
any agency. I'm DOING the work that needs to be done. Why on earth should I 
do free labor while doing it? But I'll bet that on a more macro scale, all we 
do is provide the directions for bigger guys deciding what towns or cities to 
deploy in without spending a dime in research. I know I buy a lot of $140 (and 
climbing) tanks of diesel to find areas not covered and then cover them, and 
then go to door to door to sign up people. I have perhaps 20,000 peo
 ple in my targeted market, which covers everything from farms and vineyards to 
forested mountains, and it's an hour and a half to drive across from the 
farthest customers now, and in a fe months it's going to be close to two hours. 
So, why on earth should I then be required to expend more time and effort and 
possibly money, just to tell someone else where to go for free? Perhaps I'm 
just irked because the heavy hand of both state and federal govenrments is 
coming down on a lot of what we do - I may soon need a contractor's license and 
AND hire a licensed electrician... to be a WISP, of all things. If that's the 
case, my customers will become unserved. And there is NOBODY in my corner 
fighting this either federally or at the state level. Rather, every 
organization I've uncovered is just nodding and smiling like some lobotomized 
sheep.  - Original Message - From: 
Steve Barnes To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1
 :19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's 
reach I agree, I would also like to know the position of WISPA. It looks like 
 another great way for some company to make extra income off of my already  
short bottom line. The current reporting is a pain but can be completed  in  
an hour or so. I am not privileged to have GIS software and data setting  
around for all my data to interface with. Besides in my area the census  track 
is larger then the ZIP's. So they will get less exact data.   Steve Barnes  
Executive Manager  PCS-WIN  RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service  (765)584-2288 
  -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On  Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 
3:00 PM  To: WISPA General List  Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method 
for tracking broadband's reach   I'm curious to know WISPA's official 
position on this is.   Looking back 
 in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the  only way this 
information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are  required  to determine 
the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the  census unit 
each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have no  idea what a 
census unit is, how it is determined, or even how to find  out  that 
information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over  thousands   
of square miles. Frankly, I haven't the time.   Unless software exists to 
automate this, this is going to be rather  man-hour   intensive for anyone 
with more than 20 broadband customers.   Is WISPA going to lobby

Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-04-01 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, you are right David, it was not specific. 

They need to protect their Medicial Billing Records, Patient info as well as 
critical info about their own business from Hackers who might discover thier 
business, damage some of the billing and medical data, or cause a failure in 
their system. Worst case would be to publish patient medical Records data, 
this has happened before and HHS and the Attorneys freak out, and so therefore 
do the Docs.

Outside Access requirement is only for the Doc's wife to access the Billing 
System (SW) to enable work from home.

I appreciate anything you are willing to share. And your pointing out the 
vagueness of the request was insightful, thanks very much.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

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-Original Message-
From: David E. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 06:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their  
 LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule  
 prefer $500. 
That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what if 
any outside access should be permitted? This could be as simple as a $50 
Linksys router, or as complicated as a mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked those 
still were in the $700-ish range). Answering the question properly will require 
quite a bit more information. David Smith MVN.net 

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[WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-03-23 Thread Ron Wallace
to All,

I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. 
Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

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Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5

2008-02-27 Thread Ron Wallace
Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q



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[WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop

2008-02-01 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,
about 6-8 weeks ago someone mentioned a 399 dollar notebook PC. Does anyone 
know who was offering that and a URL, please.
any help is much appreciated. Thanks to all.
Ron Wallace
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Re: [WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop

2008-02-01 Thread Ron Wallace
That's it. Thanks John - 

-Original Message-
From: John Valenti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop

Ron,
One that is getting a lot of buzz currently is the Asus EEE. Look at 
Newegg or Google for that.
-John

On February 1, at 12:11 PM February 1, Ron Wallace wrote:

 To All,
 about 6-8 weeks ago someone mentioned a 399 dollar notebook PC. 
 Does anyone know who was offering that and a URL, please.
 any help is much appreciated. Thanks to all.
 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

2008-01-18 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Marlon,

I support you in this belief, Take that as a firm stance.

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-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 01:26 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion 
focused on finding common ground between them and us.

It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep personal 
portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first (really 
forever as far as I'm concerned).

Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:05 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'



 Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'

The row over US ‘white space’ spectrum continues, with the newly formed
Wireless Innovation Alliance http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/
stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that
wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with
digital TV signals.

The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by the
National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the public just
as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from the likes of
Microsoft (the original prototypes failed non-interference testing,
though the WIA claims this had more to do with poor testing methods than
real problems for digital TV signals). These products are designed to
work in an unused channel within the digital TV band, but to switch to
another channel if the first is needed for a television signal.

The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and
move forward with technical guidelines. Six House of Representatives
members wrote to FCC chairman Kevin Martin recently to urge a final
decision in the next few months. The transition from analog to digital
TV is due to be completed in February 2009.

“Upcoming testing of white space concept devices is meant to assist FCC
engineers to craft the strongest possible rules while ensuring maximum
public benefit. Yet instead of respecting the FCC’s desire to perform
concept testing, your recent public misinformation campaign has confused
the testing process and misled the public and policy makers,” stated the
WIA in a letter
http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/files/WIA%20letter%20to%20NAB%20re%20WS%20testing.pdf
to NAB president David Rehr



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[WISPA] P2P Countermeasures

2007-11-19 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,
The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods 
from time to time. This is one of those times.
 - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? 
 - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, 
lately?
 - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it 
available to all, via Scriv. 
Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll 
checkwith him.
Ron Wallace
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Re: [WISPA] Leaving the list

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wallace
John,
I want to ask you to reconsider, but I also know you are right in your 
criticism of some of our list members. Please do not stay away long, I for one, 
value your opinions and services. I shall miss you.
And don't leave all the lists.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 08:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Leaving the list

I have tried to share what I believe are good paths to proceed for WISPs
and WISPA and mostly all I get back are rude comments and smug lashes at
my character here. I have too many things going to be bothered with all 
the divisive rhetoric and sniping attitudes from many on this list
server. I am leaving the list for a while. Someone can let me know when 
people settle down and decide they want to focus on unification instead 
of dividing the group.
Good bye for now...
Scriv





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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-17 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks John, for the knid words and the document. 
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 09:57 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

All is well Ron. You never step out of line here from my perspective. 
You are always welcome to ask for my help and I will always try to help. 
I decided the document was not so large as to clog up the list so I sent 
it to all members who are paid up. I sent it out on the 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list as opposed to the public list. I only share 
copies of the docs I use with paid members so if any of you want this 
and you are not paid up then you might want to go to 
http://signup.wispa.org and register for membership in the organization. 
I know Ron is paid up so he gets his copy of it. If any of you are a 
paid member and did not see the contract in your [EMAIL PROTECTED] list 
email then that means maybe your email address did not get subscribed to 
our members list. Let me know if that is the case. I think we have it up 
to date but it is easy for new members to join without getting 
subscribed sometimes without me catching it. If that is the case I am 
sorry.

For the record, WISPA does not endorse or otherwise bless the use of any 
shared documents between members. Nor do I warranty or otherwise bless 
the use of the docs I share unless you take them to an attorney and make 
sure they will suit your needs fully. I am sharing these documents as is 
for reference purposes. If you use them as is then do not expect me to 
be liable if something goes awry. I am not an attorney and I am 
certainly not your legal counsel. Just keep that in mind when looking at 
shared documents as a source of legal support.
All the best,
Scriv


Ron Wallace wrote:
 Fair Enough, if I could have a copy of this document, at your convenience, I 
 would appreciate it very much.
 Sorry for the misunderstanding, I in no way meant for anyone to stop what 
 they were doing and attend to me.
 I appreciate all you do for all of us John, if I sounded demanding I 
 apologize. I shall be more careful in the future.
 Ron Wallace

 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:46 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

 I sent it to him already. It is a large enough file that I have no 
 intentions of sending it to the list because the bandwidth consumption 
 to send it to everyone is a waste. If anyone who is a paid WISPA member 
 needs the document then feel free to request it from me directly.
 All the best,
 Scriv


 Rick Harnish wrote:
 
 Ron,

 Please be patient. John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare
 the copy. He is out of touch for the next two days working on some
 important projects. I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can.

 Rick Harnish

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ron Wallace
 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

 hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
 Ron Wallace


 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Cc: 'Dori Crow'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

 Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
 agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
 directly.
 Thanks,
 Scriv


 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

 
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for

 
 contract

 
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:


 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



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 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Fair Enough, if I could have a copy of this document, at your convenience, I 
would appreciate it very much.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I in no way meant for anyone to stop what they 
were doing and attend to me.
I appreciate all you do for all of us John, if I sounded demanding I apologize. 
I shall be more careful in the future.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:46 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

I sent it to him already. It is a large enough file that I have no 
intentions of sending it to the list because the bandwidth consumption 
to send it to everyone is a waste. If anyone who is a paid WISPA member 
needs the document then feel free to request it from me directly.
All the best,
Scriv


Rick Harnish wrote:
 Ron,

 Please be patient. John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare
 the copy. He is out of touch for the next two days working on some
 important projects. I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can.

 Rick Harnish

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ron Wallace
 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

 hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
 Ron Wallace

 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Cc: 'Dori Crow'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

 Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
 agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
 directly.
 Thanks,
 Scriv


 CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for
 
 contract
 
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:

 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Scriv, I'm looking.

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:10 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
do the job for $75 to $100.
Scriv


Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke 
 with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410 
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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
OK, i went to wispaweb site and could not find this-an electronic version of 
our contractor 
agreement - I know I'm thick, but could someone help me out here.
Ron Wallace
-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.
Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:
 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542 
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-06 Thread Ron Wallace
hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks 
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: 'Dori Crow'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers

Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor 
agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me 
directly.
Thanks,
Scriv


CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
 Scriv, 
 On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract
 installers please.

 Chuck Profito
 209-988-7388
 CV-ACCESS, INC
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Providing High Speed Broadband 
 to Rural Central California


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers


 Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will 
 do the job for $75 to $100.
 Scriv


 Ron Wallace wrote:
 
 To All,

 Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I 
 spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542 
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[WISPA] Contract Installers

2007-08-05 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,

Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke 
with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail.



Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

2007-08-03 Thread Ron Wallace
Check out Electro-Comm (800) 525-0173, Times EZ Connectors and a LMR400 Crimp 
tool.

-Original Message-
From: D. Ryan Spott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:23 AM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...

I am looking for tools to / kits for LMR400 N connectors. I was recently
given a few hundred feet of LMR400 and I am always in need of short runs of
cable here and there.

What kits/tools do you use? 

Where can I get these tools/kits/parts?

Why do you like the ones you have?

ryan


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[WISPA] Ethereal/WireShark Scans

2007-06-10 Thread Ron Wallace
All,
Anyone that is familiar,very familiar, with Ethereal Please contact me. I need 
some help.

Ron Wallace 
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Re: [WISPA] Dense canopy for Canopy was: Want a bucket truck?

2007-06-05 Thread Ron Wallace
John;
I would concur with Michael Erskines comments. Though, the 900 Canopy does 
surprise me occasionally and works when Ithink it will not. Its easy to manage 
and works very well. With a clear 500 feet or more it usually works very well.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Michael Erskine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2007 09:14 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dense canopy for Canopy was: Want a bucket truck?

John;

Regarding 900 MHz in general, in dense cover you will be limited to
about 1/2 mile but that is very dense cover. Typically we see pretty
good coverage at 1.5 miles for an 80' tall pop. Tree coverage in our
area is probably about 65 percent.

We see that client side radios don't like to have tree coverage too
close to them. If you can get a couple of hundred yards between the
client and the tree line things usually work better.

We like Canopy 900 because it gives us reasonable bandwidth, and range, 
and we get name recognition. It is a good radio for working in a harsh
environment. It has it's problems.

An omni is a good way to start but we only put omni's at sites where we 
know that we are not going to hit 20 subs in the near future. We
install three 120 sectors. Moto doesn't support this. They want you to
install 6 sectors, but that is just stupid when you have maybe 400
rooftops in your coverage area. A six sector Canopy system can carry
way more than 400 subs. We have had ap's with more than 80 subs on them 
and you could not tell it by the latency. Awesome performance.

We did give up on the Motorola backhauls because Tranzeo is doing such a
good job with their stuff. We have 19 pops in now and there are still
three poles waiting for us to get to them with the truck.

We have learned to stay away from vertical polarization. There are
tricks you can do with the omni-directional wave guide antennas and
sadly the vendors are not doing them. Those antennas do not really have 
an omnidirectional pattern. We are paying a premium for Katherien
antennas which are horizontally polarized but which are also truly
omni. Both antennas are good antennas. One has a more bidirectional
pattern and you need to be aware of that. That is all.



John Scrivner wrote:
 What kind of actual radius are you seeing in dense canopy with your 
 900 MHz Canopy systems? I am considering some Canopy 900 MHz in my
 area. Can you share your good, bad and ugly with this type of build
 out? How are you setting up your POPs? Omni? Sectors? Any help for a
 Canopy newbie?
 Thanks,
 Scriv


 Michael Erskine wrote:

 John Scrivner wrote:

 I guess you guys do your signal checks with this truck? Any
 downside? Can it be used to lift anything up to a tower top?
 Scriv

 Scriv;

 We don't do signal checks with the truck. If our installers can't
 make link from the ground or using few mast sections to check the
 signal we don't install. I tell them not to climb. Sometimes they
 do climb but I discourage it. I'd rather just put in another pop.

 The truck we have has 900 lbs lift capacity in the bucket. It is an
 80' snorkel truck and cost $9,999.00 @ sixty thousand miles.

 We use it to install and maintain our pops. Remember we are a 900
 MHz canopy shop. We deploy our pops at about 80 feet in dense canopy.

 -m-


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Re: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software

2007-05-29 Thread Ron Wallace
Jeremy,
Isthereany reason wecan't host our own web site on the Tigernet.bz DNS machine 
or the mail.tigernet.bz webmail server? And when doyou want to change the Mail 
Server IP?
Ron Wallace

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Ron Wallace
Version 2.9.32- Travis - I don't know much about routers/MT. When you say 
Interface Stats do you mean looking at the Interface List? If so, it shows like 
1/2 loaded, max.
-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:37 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

What version of MT? What do the interface stats show on the MT box when it's 
slow?

Travis


Ron Wallace wrote: Travis,YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the 
MT box. On the Inet side, 2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box 
whenit seems loaded, that iswhen itsslow. -Original Message-From: 
Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PMTo: 
'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT RouterHi,What 
do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you by-pass the MT 
box, everything is fine?TravisMicroservRon Wallace wrote: To All,I have had a 
good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed 
test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 
kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 
900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, 
Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.PLEASE HELP, I'M A 
DUNCE.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: 
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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-14 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis, Phil, Bob, Tom, Eric, Sam,  Brad;
Thank you guys so much, I disconnected all the users and still have the problem 
across the router. So now I will replace theoffending device and see how that 
works.
Thanks to each of you for your help.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Eric Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 07:52 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

I use MT 2.9.32 currently on my Dell PowerEdge 350 (850 MHz w/ 512M Memory). I 
am constantly pegging 6M of throughput, and that is around 2-8% CPU 
utilization.

I have two guesses...
1) you are creating a network loop between switches (either 2 MT boxes or a MT 
box and a cat5 cable between the switches). This would start out working fine, 
but then as utilization goes up the network is brought to it's knees.
2) There is a duplex mis-match. You can't force one side if the other side is 
auto-negotiating. The only way to tell this is to have a managed switch and 
look at the errors.

From the way it sounds, I would put money on guess 1.

Eric



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ron Wallace
Sent: Fri 4/13/2007 5:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router



Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 
2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that 
iswhen itsslow.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now 
 when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and 
 quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 
 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,
I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when 
I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly 
windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a 
MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
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Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Good for you, Marlon, have a great weekend.

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 03:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!

Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. 
Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a 
cow pasture.

http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751

I'm just east of the big gravel pile.

www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100.

I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 
for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race.

There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a 
great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 
people just outside of our town of 900.

Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke.

marlon

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Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

2007-04-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis,
YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 
2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that 
iswhen itsslow.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router

Hi,

What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you
by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?

Travis
Microserv

Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now 
 when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and 
 quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. 
 I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram.
 Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box.
 Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.
 PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.

 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220

 Phone: (517)547-8410
 Mobile: (517)605-4542
 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,
Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time 
which could have been spent on your business.
However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is 
the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent 
three years there.
Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? 
Man, this scares the bejesus out of me.
ARGGG!
Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 
Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes,Marlon, I read the FAQ. I stand by my Evalution of the information that the 
Gov wants. Its over the top, none of their business, and I am working to change 
some of the laws like the ignorance of the Patriot Act.
Saudi Arabia, collects the same type of info, we are becoming more like them, 
thats what they have to do with anything here, Marlon. It is a comparision. 
You might think about that. Then again you might choose not to. You may 
disagree with all I have said here.
I think Iwill take this off list, from here on.
Thank you for your response, You are a good man.
Ron

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:07 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

Ron, you've lost me.

What has Saudi got to do with anything here?

Also, there's nothing at all wrong with CALEA. Did you read the FAQ or
anything else about it? They have to come to US for the data. They won't
be putting anything on our networks etc. They want us to be the ones to 
pull the specific customer data that they are looking for.

Lastly, if you think the laws/rules we play under are wrong. Then work to
get them changed. There are a few I'm working against myself. In the mean
time, one had best obey the rules or risk loosing one's business/customers
etc.

WISPA isn't saying that the law is good or bad at this point. We're doing
what we can to help you to not break it!

marlon

- Original Message -
From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant


 To All,
 Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable
 time which could have been spent on your business.
 However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'.
 This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I
 know, I spent three years there.
 Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our
 way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me.
 ARGGG!
 Ron Wallace
 Hahnron, Inc.
 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220
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Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

2007-04-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Dawn, I don't have to like the infringement on our freedom of speech 
 expression or my interpretation of it.

-Original Message-
From: Dawn DiPietro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:32 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant

Ron,

I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have 
follow the same laws as everyone else.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Ron Wallace wrote:
 To All,
 Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable 
 time which could have been spent on your business.
 However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This 
 is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I 
 spent three years there.
 Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our 
 way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me.
 ARGGG!
 Ron Wallace 
 Hahnron, Inc. 
 220 S. Jackson Dt. 
 Addison, MI 49220 
 Phone: (517)547-8410 
 Mobile: (517)605-4542 
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Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi

2007-03-07 Thread Ron Wallace
I'm with you Marlon. I support your position.
However, if I am all the support you have you better use a cane.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 04:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi

Sigh.

First, the mission statement for WISPA, just so's we're all on the same page 
about motivations:
Wireless Internet Service Providers Association is dedicated to promoting 
and improving the WISP industry.

Second, if you don't like it, join us in our efforts at the regulatory 
level. Sitting out there whining and tossing FUD around does nothing but 
waste our time and keep you from doing installations so that you can get 
more than $100 in the bank.

Third, WE don't REALLY know EXACTLY what WE have to do. That's part of what 
the FBI meeting is about. It's not about kowtowing to the FBI, DOJ, FCC 
etc. It's about making sure that WE can tell YOU what is going to keep your 
tit out of the ringer with those people. It's also about working with them 
to make sure that they don't expect things that are unreasonable or pass new 
regs that have no regard for the realities of our industry niche.

Fourth, certainly I know I'm not speaking for all WISPs. I'm speaking for 
WISPA. YOU get to choose whether or not you wish to agree. You can always 
file a statement saying you don't agree and why. The FCC loves to hear from 
us. Last I knew the IEEE never asked for my opinion on a standard they put 
in place, but I use them all day every day anyhow.

Fifth, if we come up with a standard that you don't like, don't use it. 
Duh. There is no requirement, no way to make a requirement, nor should 
there be, for WISPA to force you to follow us. Feel free to follow any 
organization, start a new one, whatever.

Sixth, don't be an ass. We're putting in our own time and usually our own 
money to help make this entire industry better. I don't care to be insulted 
for the privilege of taking away from my customers and my family.

Seventh, I don't disagree with that you've said. I also think that the 
seatbelt laws are so much BS. But I've paid enough tickets for not wearing 
one that I have given in and wear mine now. In the mean time, one of these 
days I'm gonna run for Congress and I'll work to restore individual rights 
and responsibility. Till then I'll do the best I can to vote for people 
that respect my ability to lead my own life and my own choices. I'll also 
follow their dumb a$$ed rules so that I don't go broke paying tickets or end 
up in jail over it.

Eighth, some of the things that you say people don't have to do, the lawyers 
constantly say that we do. Sorry, but I'm gonna put my weight on their 
interpretations of the rules than yours.

Take care,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - 
From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi


 On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:35:29 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote
 Hi All,

 We have a meeting set up for the 22nd in Va. I have 4 people set
 to go to it at this time but I'd like a 5th. I'm after a network
 admin type. Anyone have the time and recourses available? Or if
 I missed your offer earlier, please let me know.

 I have to get info to the FBI ASAP so if you can send a network
 admin to this meeting (and possibly join our calea standards
 committee) please let me know.

 WISPA member companies will have first crack at this, but I'll conceder
 others as well.

 While you're there... or, perhaps on your way there, please consider the 
 fact
 that you and whoever is meeting there are deciding how every other WISP 
 will
 structure his network and what they will be forced to spend or do. You
 will...or will not... set a standard, and then the FCC and FBI will...or 
 will
 not...accept it, and everyone who has filed that they will be compliant
 persuant standards discussions will be obligated to do what is laid out in
 the end. You're a pretty bright guy, Marlon, and I suspect it won't take
 very long to see what direction this will head. You will be playing with 
 the
 fates of a lot of people who did not choose this in ANY way.

 I haven't filed, because I cannot say I can or cannot comply. However, if
 this costs more than $100 to implement (that's all I have in the bank at 
 this
 moment), I will simply file stating I cannot and will not comply, period.

 If the FCC then desires to shut me down then, They will have to do so
 forcibly. I will simply write a letter to all my customers, local 
 newspapers,
 and state simply that the FCC has decided to take over all internet
 communications in a few months, and that there's no room left

Re: [WISPA] Press Release: WISPA,Part-15.org concur on whitespace usage issues

2007-03-06 Thread Ron Wallace
Marlon  Michael;
Mozaltov, Cheers, this is great news, we should work togerther more, IMHO.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: David Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 09:55 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: [WISPA] Press Release: WISPA, Part-15.org concur on whitespace usage 
issues


PHONE: (509) 982-2181
FAX: (509) 982-2238

1 DR. Park Road
Suite H1
Mt. Vernon, Il. 62864



WISPA and Part-15.Org Concur on use of Whitespace Spectrum
Washington, DC (March 1, 2007) One of the key issues concerning commercial
wireless broadband providers is how the FCC will control the unused
television channels' white space to unlicensed use for broadband and
wireless innovation (FCC Docket 04-186). 

The Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, as well as Part-15.Org,
both leading representatives of the industry, have joined forces in
agreement to refute claims made by the television broadcast industry that
unlicensed devices operating in unused TV channels would interfere with TV
reception and other licensed uses of the TV band; and second, whether the TV
white space spectrum should be exclusively licensed instead of unlicensed. 

Both industry representatives told the Federal Communication Commission that
opening this spectrum to unlicensed use will help provide more affordable
and ubiquitous broadband coverage, particularly in rural areas. It will also
pave the way for improved home and enterprise networking, wireless device
and service innovation

Both Part-15.Org and WISPA explain in their comments to the FCC that
licensing is both impractical and inadvisable in this band and argue that
the interference-avoidance mechanisms proposed in the FCC's original 2004
rulemaking are sufficient-along with specific technical parameters to be
developed by the FCC-to protect licensed TV band users. 

Marlon K. Schafer, FCC Committee chairperson for WISPA, said that he is
pleased both groups are working together on this important issue. An
unlicensed environment will encourage entrepreneurship, and this is
especially important in rural areas where major providers are not willing to
expend the needed capital for a relatively few subscribers.

He also said the organizations want to make sure that incumbent, licensed
users of the spectrum are not harmed by unlicensed use. We want to be good
stewards of the environment.

Schafer said that a May, 2006 Pew Report showed more than eight million
wireless broadband subscribers were in place, with that number increasing
daily. We believe at least twice that are waiting for service because we
have technological and physical band limitations that this spectrum could
help alleviate.
There are vast areas of the nation where VHF and UHF analog television
signals are not received and by reusing this essentially vacant spectrum, we
can help bring high-speed broadband connectivity to these waiting homes,
businesses, schools and governments on a cost-effective basis, he said.

Michael R. Anderson, chairman of the License Exempt Wireless Internet
Service Providers Organization, Part-15.ORG, said that continuing to do
business as usual regarding spectrum utilization is not in the best
interest of rural Americans. 

He said the FCC's recent approach to open additional spectrum to license
exempt broadband providers exemplifies their docket to remove common
barriers that have stifled the growth of broadband for over a decade. 

 PART-15.ORG applauds the FCC for their bold initiatives in moving forward
with opening up the 'white space' for full utilization for broadband,
Anderson said.


For more information please contact:
 Marlon K. Schafer 
FCC Committee Chairman
Founding Board Member 
(509) 982-2181 
(509) 988-0260 cell



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Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW

2007-02-27 Thread Ron Wallace
Hammers???

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 02:00 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW

H,

We need to work on this. We want to oppose the personal portable devices at 
this time.

We don't want to see a bunch of linksys type routers with 2 mile ranges

Any ideas on how to go about it?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW


 Could this be true or am I dreaming? Pinch me please


 http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0014/t.2200.html



 Mac Dearman

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Eric Rogers
 Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

 Precision Data Solutions, LLC
 2007226668971

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Don Renner
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

 NetsurfUSA filled - 2007223533293 -

 Don

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Scott Reed
 Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings

 I filed: **2007223902414**

 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or
 so!!

 Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our
 industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them?

 Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record! Our
 trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes
 time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been
 filed!

 EVERYONE here needs to file personally. Here's my confirmation
 :'2007223682035

 Just go to this link:
 http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi

 Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice
 your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up
 tv bands! All you have to do is till them to make the bands
 unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc. Say more if you want,
 but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea.

 Get off your hind ends guys!
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
 42846865 (icq) And I run my own
 wisp!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




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Re: [WISPA] HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

2007-02-26 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, What Butch said. Happy Birthday Scriv.

-Original Message-
From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:52 PM
To: 'Wispa List'
Subject: [WISPA] HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Today is Scriv's birthday! I'll let him tell his age (if he wants), 
but I'd like to extend my warmest greetings to him and best wishes 
for a happy birthday. Thank you for your tireless efforts to 
enhance our industry.

-- 
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Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

2007-02-22 Thread Ron Wallace
And the MW Filter notch for 928-930 is only $156 + shipping.

-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 01:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

Brian,

Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band 
filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that 
are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two 
Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but 
if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work 
well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter 
that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging 
frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters 
seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more 
filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and 
sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I 
am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter 
that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 
902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced 
reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link:

http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism

It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a 
spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info.

Thanks,
 jack


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 
 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred.
 
 Brian
 
 Jack Unger wrote:
 
 Brian,

 A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently 
 desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a 
 Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more 
 paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize 
 your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear 
 incoming SM signals.

 Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, 
 you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This 
 will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's 
 from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your 
 apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass 
 filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of 
 the problem.

 jack


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the 
 interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if 
 the -36 signal is what is doing it?
 My question from the original post. Will that strong signal 
 desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure 
 out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then 
 die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while.

 Brian


 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch 
 the omnis and sectorize our tower.

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
 42846865 (icq) And I run my own 
 wisp!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900


 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer 
 yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will 
 that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for 
 some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the 
 like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've 
 been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a 
 lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I 
 think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP 
 except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help.

 Brian
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Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

2007-02-22 Thread Ron Wallace
Brian,
That device is designed to allow operation across the full 902-928 spectrum, 
with the notch specifically at 928 to knock-out the pagers.
From my MW xmit days we used MW Filters almost exclusively, well known in the 
Common Carrier ind.  The guy that started the company went to Michigan, was 
building filters in his garage as a grad student in Ann Arbor. For whatever 
thats worth.
Ron

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 04:18 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with 
it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back.

Brian

Jack Unger wrote:
 Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter.


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Sharing the info I am

 Hello, Brian



 Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company.



 The filter that you inquired about is the:



 Notch Filter

 MFC P/N 15345

 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping

 Shipment 1 week after receipt of order



 Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you
 requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me
 direct.



 Regards,



 Bob Haytko

 Customer Relations

 Microwave Filter Co., Inc.

 Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct)

 Fax: 315-463-1467

 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]







 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band
 filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters
 that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the
 two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire
 band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they
 should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll
 need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still
 attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good
 whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the 
 last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have
 poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at
 RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current
 offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate 
 the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I
 don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks
 like your best bet. Here's the link:

 http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism

 It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a
 spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info.

 Thanks,
 jack







 

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Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

2007-02-22 Thread Ron Wallace
The engineer I spoke w/ at MW Filter claims they achieve a very 'steep' skirt 
at 928 with the notch filter and, therefore, eliminate the paging interference 
and still allow the use of the 920-928 spectrum.
I think we would not know until its implemented in the field, on the tower, I 
am going to use 920-928, 60 miles north of a paging system located in Defiance, 
Ohio. I have not seen the problems Brian has at 915 MHz Center freq on a Canopy 
w/ PacWireless 9db Hpol Omni, atop a 300' tower.
If I try the MW Filter device I will report my experience to the more 
knowledgeable among us on the WISPA list. Such as Mssrs DeReggi  Unger. And, 
of course Mr. Rohrbacher.
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 06:16 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900

RFlinx's arguement was that a bandpass filter to allow the use of the top
channel closest to 930, was pointless because the paging gear would kill it
anyway.
So they decided on a design that would sacrifice the top channel in favor of
a filter that would not degrade the receive strength of the desired signal,
and maximize the attenuation of the undesired interference. In theory, I
have a lot of respect for their approach.

However, I sure like the $164 price of the filter that you found. The
question is whether the sacrificed anything in the design, or if they are
jsut willing to sell it cheaper. For example, as 3 pole design is cheaper
but less capable than a 4,5,8 pole design.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900


 Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter.


 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Sharing the info I am

 Hello, Brian

 Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company.

 The filter that you inquired about is the:

 Notch Filter

 MFC P/N 15345

 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping

 Shipment 1 week after receipt of order

 Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested.
 If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct.

 Regards,

 Bob Haytko

 Customer Relations

 Microwave Filter Co., Inc.

 Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct)

 Fax: 315-463-1467

 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Jack Unger wrote:

 Brian,

 Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band
 filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that
 are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two
 Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but
 if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work 
 well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter
 that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging
 frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters
 seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more
 filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and
 sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I
 am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter
 that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 
 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced
 reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link:

 http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism

 It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a
 spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info.

 Thanks,
 jack


 

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Re: [WISPA] Time off from WISPA

2007-02-19 Thread Ron Wallace
John,
Sorry for your families loss, Take the time off, you have dedicated so much to 
WISPA and our needs. See you in March.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:20 AM
To: 'WISPA General List', [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Time off from WISPA

Guys I am taking a vacation from WISPA for a while. I am scheduled to 
speak in D.C. before New America's caucus at the Senate Office Building 
before Commerce Committee on this Thursday to lobby for unlicensed 
access to TV channel spectrum. My Mother-in-law just died unexpectedly 
about 3 hours ago. I am moving my entire office and NOC over the next 3 
days (so far only moved the core router and a couple of extraneous 
switches, bandwidth appliance, etc.) We still have a mountain of work to 
complete to have the office moved and completely online on by Feb. 26th 
which will be the first day at our new office location (and happens to 
be my birthday).

I am now in the process of planning a family funeral and expecting 
family and such in while I am doing all the rest. I will not be sending 
anything to this group except possibly requests for support to TV 
channel space comments and such until Feb 27. I will not be handling any 
WISPA related business until that time. If anyone has issues that need 
resolved regarding WISPA billing then email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For email 
system administration technical support please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For 
web site issues email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For list issues please 
email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To direct issues to the board you can 
email a form with your request via the link at http://www.wispa.org. I 
think I may extend this vacation from WISPA to be as long as March 1. I 
will not be logging into this email account until then and prefer to be 
left alone until after that time. I will be unsubscribing from the WISPA 
lists until my return. I will trust all of you to bring me up to speed 
on any issues requiring my direct involvement once I return to these 
lists in March.
Kindest regards,
John Scrivner
President
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Re: [WISPA] Routers

2007-02-08 Thread Ron Wallace
Shannon,
Who elsefor example offers a lifetime warranty? 
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: KyWiFi LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 11:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers

Yes, I'm serious. Lots of companies offer a lifetime warranty.
If they have a good product, they should stand behind it. If
their product is junk, then...


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
Your Hometown Broadband Provider
http://www.KyWiFi.com
Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
===
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http://www.ispbuddy.com
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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers


Hi,

Are you serious? You honestly expect a company to honor a warranty for a 
lifetime, especially on a $30 item? How do you expect them to stay in 
business?

Travis
Microserv

KyWiFi LLC wrote:
 We use the Belkin F5D7230-4 wireless router exclusively and I'm
 proud to report that both us and our subscribers have been VERY
 pleased with them. We do, however, see a failure rate with them of
 around 8% - 10% BUT, they have been good about replacing them
 in a timely manner and have always honored their lifetime warranty.
 We buy them for $30 - $40 and retail them for $100. Here's a link:
 http://www.buy.com/prod/Belkin_F5D7230_4_Wireless_G_Router/q/loc/101/201978542.html

 I'm on a mission right now to align our company with manufacturers,
 vendors, etc. who offer and honor a lifetime warranty. If someone is
 only willing to stand behind their product for a year or two, you should
 question that, I know I do.


 Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
 KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
 Your Hometown Broadband Provider
 http://www.KyWiFi.com
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers


 Nothing. We have to deal with low quality in a commodity world.

 However another way to approach it might be, who has the best RMA policy. 
 Linksys's RMA policy is non-existent, and a provider needs to be prepared to 
 eat any failures. That comment is based on, the many hoops linksys makes you 
 go through before allowing a return, which cost way more to do than the cost 
 to buy a new router. This is the BIG reason, that we have converted 50% of 
 all new installs to NON-Linksys routers. Linksys makes my favorite, Home 
 Router OS, but I can;t stomach giving all my money to those that don't honor 
 their warrantees. Belkin on the other hand has been fabulaous. No 
 questions asked, jsut send it back, and get a new one in a few days. Belkin 
 also has a nice Default portal page you can see before logining in to see 
 private info. Belkin comes with a bundled Content Control trial. Belkon can 
 opperate as an AP (Bridge) or Nat Router, and I think also WDS. The only 
 reason we don't use Belkin for all our installs is that Linksys is what our 
 local distributor carries, and because Belkin had some PPPOE bugs, which 
 prevented it from Auto-reconnecting after a disconnect, unless you reboot 
 it. So we still use Linksys for PPPOE clients. However that PPOE bug was 
 identified over a year ago, maybe its been fixed by now?

 The Belkin has a higher price tag unfortuneately, but it is a N router, 
 and I prefer to support the vendors that honor their warrantees.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:57 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Routers


 Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of 
 router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and 
 netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone 
 have any ideas as to what they are using and what works best? I am tired of 
 replacing these things and explaining to the customer their lack of quality. 
 Your feedback is very welcome.


 Ross Cornett
 VP
 217 342 6201 ex 7
 HofNet Communications, Inc.
 www.HofNet-Communications.com

 HofNet-Communications.com
 
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Re: [WISPA] Scrivner's story

2007-01-09 Thread Ron Wallace
Absolutely, Good for you, Scriv, And as far as I can tell somewhat understated.
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Brian Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 10:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Scrivner's story

Nice article, congratulations on the positive press Scriv!



Thank You,
Brian Webster

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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Scrivner's story


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Re: [WISPA] capstan

2007-01-02 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Rick.

-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2007 09:47 PM
To: ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan

That particular winch was approximately $1800 new.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ron Wallace
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] capstan

Than ks Rick,
What is the approx. cost? I have seen a couple that tower guys put together,
but had trouble finding the parts.
Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 05:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan

Chris,

I bought a 120v model this summer. We love it. 

http://www.myte.com/products_utility.html

http://www.myte.com/distributors.asp?State=oh


Happy New Years!

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] capstan

Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any
pointers to a good one?

 

Thanks

Chris

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Re: [WISPA] capstan

2006-12-30 Thread Ron Wallace
Than ks Rick,
What is the approx. cost? I have seen a couple that tower guys put together, 
but had trouble finding the parts.
Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 05:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List''
Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan

Chris,

I bought a 120v model this summer. We love it. 

http://www.myte.com/products_utility.html

http://www.myte.com/distributors.asp?State=oh


Happy New Years!

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] capstan

Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any
pointers to a good one?

 

Thanks

Chris

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Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

2006-12-18 Thread Ron Wallace

Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched 
down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou 
I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors.
Ron Wallace
Hahnron, Inc.
220 S. Jackson Dt.
Addison, MI 49220

Phone: (517)547-8410
Mobile: (517)605-4542
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate
on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in
the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone
else confirm or deny?
Scriv


Brad Belton wrote:

Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well.

I've attached a snapshot.

Best,


Brad




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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that?

Brian




Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable.
Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready!

I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff.

Best,

Brad




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Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5

Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor
cat5?

I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. 
You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom
and would only have run jumpers for new radios.

Brian
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Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzer

2006-12-13 Thread Ron Wallace
Blair,
Check this out, www.torontosurplus.com, Techtronics 491 SA, $995.00, back in 
the day it was the best on the market
Ron Wallace

-Original Message-
From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 02:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] spectrum analyzer

Well, I know we have been round and round this subject before, but, I am 
finally ready to buy a spectrum analyzer

What I want

Coverage of 900MHz, 2.3-2.5GHz, and 5-6GHz
Absolute power readings... I don't really care what the range on the 
power readings is as I can adjust the level as needed with attenuators 
But, I wish to do repeatable testing and comparison of radio cards and 
pigtails with the unit...
Portable I don't need, (but would not object), to a hand held unit, 
but a big rack mount won't do me much good
Reasonable price 1K$ or so. Referb or recon is fine I'd 
consider used from someone well known on wispa
Ext. antenna input


Ideas? Suggestions?

I remember some talking about hand-held units on here before. Any body 
ever get one and use it?

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Re: [WISPA] bare conduits

2006-12-03 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes Mrlon,
Pulling cable in NoCAL, we made a 'y' for the compressor, Air in one side 
sponge-on-line in the straight side. Gave it to the guys, one was a careful 
guy. A little while later I pulled up to the site and the guys were all 
laughing, watch this ron!, they set it up for a 300' 'blow' and opened the 
air valve. That sponge flew about 30' in the air. Can be very dangerous,thou.

-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 07:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bare conduits

Used to do this all the time when I was a linesman.

The easiest and safest way to do this is to use a vacuum on one end. Tie a
parachute or streamer to a string and put that in the pipe while someone's
sucking on the other end. Make sure you hold the twine with a screwdriver
and not your fingers cause it'll usually go pretty fast.

Now, if that won't work, this will. Same thing on the string part but use a
jackhammer type air compressor. You'll put your parachute/streamer in the
conduit, then wrap a rag around an air hose. Put that assembly into the 
pipe but make sure that it's not binding where the string goes in. Then 
have someone else hold the string and yet another run the air compressor.
Be VERY careful with this method. Things (sometimes very nasty things) come
flying out the other end at a VERY high rate of speed. I learned the hard
way that you don't want to be the guy standing in the manhole when things
start moving.

Have fun, be super careful.
marlon

- Original Message -
From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] bare conduits


 Im looking at a project that requires connectivity between multiple
 buildings on the same campus. There are 4 conduits connecting each
 facility. The conduits are bare, Id like to run fiber in them, and
 there are no pull cords in them. Some are several hundred yards long.
 Ive heard that you can blow a cable through a conduit. Can anyone
 enlighten me on equipment/technique for this application?



 Thanks

 Chris

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Re: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S

2006-11-28 Thread Ron Wallace
Rick,
I suppose those are all gone by now.
Ron Wallace 
Hahnron, Inc. 
220 S. Jackson Dt. 
Addison, MI 49220 

Phone: (517)547-8410 
Mobile: (517)605-4542 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List''
Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S

Hey guys / gals, in my attempt to offload some
of my spare equipment, I've got a few Canopy 900
Advantage CPEs and APs laying around that are
barely used.

I'll let the APs go for $1,250 each, and the SMs
for $250 each. We'll add shipping later, and
they're all connectorized with standard Mot P/S.

I can get 'em out this week.

R


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-17 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Brian

-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread.
Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread

Connectors:

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110

Batteries:

http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html



Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Can we get some links to these batteries that work well?
 Gino,
 Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about?

 Brian


 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the 
 positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries.

 We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries 
 (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). 
 We wire them in series (to get 24VDC).

 This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various 
 locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone?

 Travis,
 What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw 
 and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with 
 the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last?

 Brian

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so 
 you need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two 
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on 
 the positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it 
 right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously 
 with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle 
 battery. Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Welcome Travis, I know I can learn a lot from your comments.

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:18 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv

We have seen quite a bit of interest in new membership in WISPA lately. 
I am proud to announce that Travis Johnson has added his name to the 
list of WISP operators who have joined WISPA. Travis has a very 
successful operation and I am sure his involvement in WISPA will be 
valuable to us and to him as well. Please join me in welcoming Travis 
Johnson and his WISP Microserv. Here is a little background on Travis 
and Microserv:

Microserv started as a dial-up ISP in 1994. We began providing wireless 
service in 1997, DSL service in 2001 and fiber-optic service in 2003. We 
currently provide fixed wireless service covering 25,000 square miles of 
southeastern Idaho and have over 3,000 current wireless subscribers. Our 
entire backbone is wireless with links from 5 miles to 73 miles and 
using 5.3ghz to 38ghz.

I designed and installed the entire infrastructure (over 60 operating 
repeater locations) and continue to service and support them while also 
running the day to day operations of a company with 25 employees. We are 
growing at a rate of 60+ wireless customers per month and continue to 
add new services and features for our existing customers. I am excited 
to be a member of WISPA and hope to help the organization grow and 
benefit the industry.

Thanks,

Travis Johnson, President
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Travis,
What is the Manuf, Model of these gel cels, and where do you get them. 
additionally, is this a simple setup, just tie them in to the existing UPS. I 
have a Minuteman online 2000VA, only 2 batteries and they are small. Can I set 
these Batts in the Equip Bldg in a pan and let them exist w/ active equip? 
I'm in Michigan and it gets fairly cold in Winter.

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked
OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle
that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and 
are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure.

We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on 
two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8
hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port
switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to
 use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will
 last with constantly being charged by the UPS?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you
 need two batteries running in series.

 It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two
 gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the 
 positive side of the connection.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an
 external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right 
 now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 
 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery.
 Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

2006-11-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Travis, Brian, Mark  Gino - this thread answers the questions I had 
about adding batteries to the UPS's. 

-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01:59 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

Hi,

Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). 
They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the 
case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well 
worth it.

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
 How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I 
 don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is 
 pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep 
 cells in there?

 Brian

 Gino A. Villarini wrote:

 Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC 
 unit? I
 do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so 
 if this
 is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 APC SUNET700. 1 battery.

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS


 

 What apc model ? how many batts are you using ?

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS

 I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an 
 external
 battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am
 having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery'
 light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas?

 Mark Nash
 Network Engineer
 UnwiredOnline.Net
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
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[WISPA] Looking for a few good Installers

2006-11-01 Thread Ron Wallace
Sorry for the mis label
-Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 04:30 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] HighGainAntennas
Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated Installers. We will paywell for good installers.

Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI.
Please contact off list.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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[WISPA] I am looking for a few good Installers

2006-11-01 Thread Ron Wallace
To All,

Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated, Contract Installers. We will paywell for good installers.

Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI.
Please contact off list.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-20 Thread Ron Wallace
OK, sounds right to me, I supportMarlons statement.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 01:18 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: 'Jim Snider'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
I watched it too. Very nicely done. I'm not sure that I like the fact that there were no telcos there.

I've got mixed emotions about this one. On the one hand, I don't like government over regulation. It's true that there isn't a problem today. It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted.

I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till we KNOW of a problem or an impending one.

Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though. I fail to see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other than the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford. 

The argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings hollow to me because the internet is already like that. The more you pay, the faster you can go. Gee, what a concept.

Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

Thanks John, I watched the program. Very good, How are we working toward this goal? And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote:
John,
Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.Cheers,
-Alex


Begin forwarded message:

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To: "Alex Huppenthal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]










Dear Alex,




Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk"
On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org



Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.

Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org.

Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.

You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers

You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality.

It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice.

Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.

They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition.

Please join us tonight!

Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com

1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com

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Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS

2006-10-19 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks John, I watched the program. Very good, How are we working toward this goal? And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote:
John,
Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.Cheers,
-Alex


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT
To: "Alex Huppenthal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]










Dear Alex,




Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk"
On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org



Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers.

Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org.

Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry.

You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in:


When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers

You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality.

It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice.

Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue.

They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition.

Please join us tonight!

Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com

1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com

2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an Imperial Internet" 




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Re: [WISPA] per user bit tracking

2006-09-30 Thread Ron Wallace
Thank You for the info Butch. I looked at that site, very interesting. Thanks again.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 06:53 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] per user bit trackingOn Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Ron Wallace wrote:How does this work?? Is this the monitor that Butch Evens had mentioned a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a radius implementation?This is a program called IPTrack. IPTrack collects netflow data from the Mikrotiks and compiles it in a database. The website that Marlon pointed to is the user interface for IPTrack.Where could I get some info on your system?http://dev.webpipe.net/iptrack/Marlon's copy has been customized somewhat by the author of the IPTrack software, Brandon Checketts.-- Butch EvansNetwork Engineering and Security Consulting573-276-2879http://www.butchevans.com/Mikrotik Certified Consultant(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] per user bit tracking

2006-09-29 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Marlon;

How does this work?? Is this the monitor that Butch Evens had mentioned a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a radius implementation?

Where could I get some info on your system?
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:37 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.comSubject: [WISPA] per user bit trackingWe've gotten this mostly fleshed out.http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrackWe've always had a 1 gb per month limit on our customers.We have less than a month of data collected so far. For half of the customers we have only a few days.http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack/topusers.php?month=9year=2006Looks like I'll have to raise the levels up a bit. I'll see if I can get an average reading down with the total.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)

2006-09-29 Thread Ron Wallace
Charles,

I know this is a duh question, but what is an ACSP??
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:27 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)As one of Canopy's largest ACSPs in the US, I know all the people at CanopyWe have been talking about WISPA -- and are putting something together for asponsorshipStay tuned...-Charles---Operating Manager - CTII'm back...WiNOG Wireless RoadshowsComing to a City Near Youhttp://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mike Bushard, JrSent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:37 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)I have a few phone numbers. The tech support has gotten better, but I onlycall them with Prizm/BAM problems.I really don't know that they have a "Patrick" but the area rep is helpful.He has always gotten me to the right person.Mike Rosedale Cell 847.722.1047Mike Bushard, JrWisper Wireless Solutions, LLC-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:20 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)Partial hijack here. On a related subject, is there anyone at Motorola that is "really good with WISPs". Someone who I can call and talk to as a Canopy user. Not a script reader. I admit I have never called them. I rely on vendors, and other WISPs for all Canopy related info and support. Moto is so big, I'm scared that I'd get the "hold music" for an hour and them some dude that I can't understand..Ok..what I want to know is what moto # do I call to talk to their "Patrick Leary". :) *Patrick suddenly feels warm and fuzzy inside...* So I guess this isn't too much of a hijack. :) How do we contact their "Patrick". After we know that we can talk to him about joining.BrianDylan Oliver wrote: On 9/28/06, *Rick Harnish* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can get Motorola to become a WISPA vendor member, we will gladly start a list here without those restrictions. How has Motorola been approached? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: NAF comments on NTIA converter box subsidy program

2006-09-25 Thread Ron Wallace
I agree with Marlon and Tom - I support Marlon in this and will assist as you request.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 03:32 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: NAF comments on NTIA converter box subsidy program
Excellent points Marlon. I support your view.

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
To: FCC Discussion 
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Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: NAF comments on NTIA converter box subsidy program

Hi All,

I got this right before walking out of the office today. And it's due by 5 pm eastern.

I talked to Jim S. on the phone and told him that he can put WISPA down as a supporter. I'll try to file some reply comments tomorrow.

Here's the Reader's Digest version I got from Jim on the phone. The DTV transition has to happen by 2009. There's 1 BILLION $ out there for set top converters for people that still have analog TVs. The issue is, how good do the receivers in the converters have to be? The New America Foundation has written up a case for good receivers as a requirement rather than ones that would, by default, screw up the white spaces issue.

So WISPA is officially onboard with the attached doc from New America.

If anyone has any additional thoughts they need to be talked out today so I can file something for us tomorrow. Unless someone else wants to take this ball and run with it

Here are MY thoughts. For those that remember the Cirrus radio debate, I see this as the same thing. For those that don't remember, the short version is that Cirrus wanted the FCC to shut down about half of the 2.4 gig band due to interference with their 2.3 gig sat radio service. The FCC told them that it was their own fault that they build such crappy receivers.

I think we should file comments reminding thepeople of this and extol the virtue of taking this opportunity to free up some currently wasted spectrum for the greater public good.

laters,
Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam


- Original Message -
From: Jim Snider 
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Subject: NAF comments on NTIA converter box subsidy program



Dear colleagues:

I am asking you to sign on to the attached NAF et al. comments in the NTIA’s DTV converter box NPRM. Comments are due at 5pm today. New America's Naveen Lakshmipathy is coordinating the sign on effort.

For close to a generation telecom policy analysts have argued that the TV broadcast band was extremely inefficiently utilized and that parts of it should be reallocated for more efficient uses. Congress and the FCC have engaged in two sets of activities to minimize the opportunity cost of this inefficient use. First, the FCC has introduced a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking—and the Senate Commerce Committee has passed legislation to require the FCC to complete this Rulemaking—opening up the white spaces between TV channels 2 and 51 for unlicensed use. Second, Congress has required that TV broadcasters return 108 MHz of spectrum, TV channels 52 to 69, at the end of the digital TV transition, which must be complete by February 18, 2009. 

This NPRM has a direct bearing on both of these goals. First, the quality of the converter boxes it mandates affects the utility of the whites spaces within TV channels 2-51. Second, the design of the of the converter box subsidy it mandates will affect whether those currently dependent on analog TV sets can transition to digital TV with minimal disruption, the raison d'etre for the converter box subsidy and a goal Congress has deemed essential for completing the return of TV channels 52-69. 

This set of comments argues that 1) the NTIA should ensure that the converter boxes have high quality receivers so white space spectrum is not wasted, and 2) the NTIA should make it as easy as possible for consumers to acquire and redeem the converter box coupons.

--Jim Snider


J.H. Snider, Ph.D.Research Director, Wireless Future ProgramNew America Foundation 1630 Connecticut Ave., NW Washington, DC 20009 Phone: 202/986-2700 Fax: 202/986-3696 Web: www.newamerica.net E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]My Book Website:speaksoftly.jhsnider.netMy Personal Blogs: jhsnider.net/telecompolicy, jhsnider.net/citizensassembly





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Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln

2006-09-21 Thread Ron Wallace
Congratulations Scriv, I know you will show us the way.-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:20 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnThe band is 2110 to 2120 MHz and 1710 to 1720 MHz. (20 MHz of spectrum) There are some other hurdles yet to jump. You would think buying it would be enough but it is far from usable yet. I'll let you know as we get closer to the launch of licensed broadband services here.ScrivMac Dearman wrote:CONGRATS Scriv! I don't think that you will be guilty of just "squatting" on such lovely frequency eh?Did you get 700MHz in the AWS-1?I wish I had some too :-( Mac -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of John ScrivnerSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:35 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnWe won an AWS license in our area!:-)ScrivDawn DiPietro wrote: FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnLast Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and seventh paragraphs.)WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger rivals.T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going."The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual suspects have won."The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to NextWave and invalidating the auction.This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, although it's unclear what that technology may be.A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for comment.Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. (LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis."Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts of as much as 25%.http://tinyurl.com/j77nv-- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position

2006-09-21 Thread Ron Wallace
Welcome back Patrick, we will all benefit from your increased participation in our industry.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 06:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in positionHaving received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the followingnote:Dear WISPA members,I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to getback to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewedfocus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full timededicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and asan industry. Over the past few years managing our North Americanmarketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction withWISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The newrole has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be anactive advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas thatamong other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISPoperations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.Details will come a bit later.I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I lookforward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, aswell as making lots of new friends.Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how Ican help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not youare an Alvarion-based operator. Sincerely,Patrick LearyAVP WISP MarketsAlvarion, Inc.o: 650.314.2628c: 760.580.0080Vonage: 650.641.1243  This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned byPineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals  computer viruses.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
Yea, Scriv you are right - forget my screwball ideas.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or sniffing capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become part of the solution then we need to have something capable of doing what is being asked in the NPRM.ScrivMarlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white  spaces. In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the FCC. It looks like what they want to do is to get some testing data. I'd  like to propose to them that we be allowed to build a few test systems  using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters. Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz  converters. I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, officially. Thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guys

2006-09-12 Thread Ron Wallace
Here is the relevant paragraph.

"The Notice proposed to require that fixed unlicensed devices incorporate a geo-location method such as GPS or be professionally installed, and that they access a database to identify vacant channels at their location. It proposed to require that portable unlicensed devices operate only when they receive a control signal from a source such as an FM or TV station that identifies the vacant TV channels in that particular area. The Commission also sought comment on the use of spectrum sensing to identify vacant TV channels, but did not propose any specific technical requirements for devices that use spectrum sensing."
The GPS requirement does not seem to present a problem, for Fixed Wireless, many GPs devices cna be incorporated into any PC. As for a data base that exists and is available from Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or could be accomodated to ID vacant channels at a given location. If this is all that is required the information is already available.

For "Portable Unlicensed devices" the requirement is more difficult, I admit. But to runa test for fixed unlicensed devices this should be much more straight forward.

What do you guys think?
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 01:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv white spaces update and a question for you guysI would think a better approach would be to work with Intel or another company who is already building prototypes to get a test system built and have WISPs become the operations portion of a test for this type of technology. A converted WiFi unit will not have any of the existing GPS or sniffing capabilities required in the NPRM. If we are going to become part of the solution then we need to have something capable of doing what is being asked in the NPRM.ScrivMarlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1813A1.doc Looks like we're still TWO years away from being able to use the white  spaces. In a month we'll see the first draft rules from the FCC. It looks like what they want to do is to get some testing data. I'd  like to propose to them that we be allowed to build a few test systems  using 2.4 ghz to tv band converters. Similar to the 2.4 to 900mhz  converters. I think it's important to have the support of WISPA on this, officially. Thoughts? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deployment

2006-09-07 Thread Ron Wallace

To All,
This is another excellent comment from our President, thanks John. We can all use this information.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2006 06:36 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deploymentLicensed 70 to 80 GHz actually has less oxygen absorption of the signal than 60 GHz (by several orders of magnitude). If you are providing a Service Level Agreement with 5 - 9's or better % uptime then you should stick with a licensed product IMO. As Matt states below, both companies offer a licensed product. Depending on the rainfall annually where you are deploying you may get nearly the same uptime in 60 GHz, especially since it is just 0.4 miles. I would research before making a choice though if uptime requirements are strict.Remember to make sure you research your connection into the network also. Your point of demarcation will need to be identified. In many cases it is a port from the switch that you would provide. Make sure you select a switch compatible with the radio product you launch. If they provide the switch demarc point then make sure it is on the list of tested and known good hardware for connecting to the link you setup.Before quoting the product make sure you remember things like back-up power, downlead selection, surge and lightning suppression, stand-by spare radios for replacement, etc. Ask to see the software management interfaces for the radios being considered. If you buy radios that work but you cannot diagnose what is wrong when they break then you have a problem. It is not like you will have a 60 to 90 GHz signal meter or spectrum analyzer anytime soon so the software management interface is very important. If you do not address these things now then you will be sorry later.If I were you I would at least get a quote or two from fiber construction companies to see if a fiber could be built for same or less money. Depending on the location this might be the more efficient solution.That is the biggest beef I have with the millimeter-wave crowd right now. They try to think in terms of how much money they can squeeze out for each single link sale instead of looking at the mass potential if we could all get our hands on low-cost Gigabit backhaul to all of our towers. Ken and I have been beating this into their brains now for a couple of years. It will sink in someday when they think it is their idea. :-) jkScrivMatt Liotta wrote: We deploy BrideWave gear and have been happy with it. BridgeWave also  has a licensed radio operating in the 80Ghz range. -Matt Mario Pommier wrote: This is a new area of wireless deployment for me: I've been asked to quote for a gigabit wireless link between a  radiology department and a nearby hospital (0.4 miles). I'm aware of two options so far, and here's some info I've gathered: -- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000  5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps -- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes  $1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps  release by Dec. 2006. I know Bob Moldashel said he has installed the Bridgewave. Anyone care to comment on any experience you've had with these  companies? Thanks a lot. Mario-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] WHY?

2006-08-23 Thread Ron Wallace
As usual, Scriv has defined this well. I always want to tell BB to take a long walk on a short dock. However, This is an important issue, public addresses, private uses. Well said Scriv.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 07:02 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY?Sam Tetherow wrote: Given what the article cites I don't see it being a severe burden on a  small ISP. All that I see mentioned in the article is the ability to  track what IP belongs to what customer over a period of time. If you  can't track that on your network, how do you manage to troubleshoot  problems or deal with security concerns such as a virus/trojan or  other inappropriate/malicious behavior on your network?I think most people here track who has what address. Otherwise how could you possibly run your network? What they likely do not do is keep logs of who had what address three years ago. Or when IP address "A" changed to IP address "B" for customer "1" or "2". Without that legacy data the IP information provided could be inaccurate. In fact the only way it could be 100% accurate is if the request was in real time - ie. FBI calls ISP and asks who is using X.X.X.X IP address right now.This never happens so the issue is how long should we have to keep this log information? Should we have to keep it at all? Should we simply use DNS to assign names to addresses for all users which are kept up to date then by us? (Names of customers as "A" records for all IPs) Then the person can be identified by DNS name in real time and leave the rest to Uncle Sam. After all we do not need to be telling Uncle Sam how to use DNS right? A sound argument by many could be made that a user of a "public" IP address should involve "public" disclosure via DNS of who a user of an address is. Please note I am not saying this is the way it should be necessarily. Only that this may well be a way to produce the needed result of government to track wrongdoers and the ISPs to not have to maintain lengthy log files of who had what address when.  That being said I don't want anyone to construe that I am for this  legislation in ANY form. If the government wants to know what my  subscribers are doing, they can get a court order and I will gladly  log the customer covered under the court order for the period  described by the court order.The question on that topic is not whether or not a court should be able to access information. I think that is obvious. The real question is what should we be obligated to make available (email, web sites browsed, chats, etc.) We cannot really do much to help the government see where people go. I do not think that should be our job or any of our business as ISPs. This needs to be fought not on a technical basis, but on a rights  basis. The technical issues can solved over time and then where would  we be.Let's look at a rights basis then. Should people who use a "public" Internet be able to be anonymous via the connection of their ISP? If this "right" is taken away (right of personal anonymity online) then I think we need to make sure every person knows this when it happens so the "thought police" do not start throwing people in jail for what they read and think. Many argue that we have this problem already with some of the pornography cases where people have been put in prison for what they saw on the Internet. I agree that these are important issues to address. Rights does need to be the basis. Technology is not as important as rights.Scriv Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Why? Because it will severely burden smaller ISP's that lack the  network infrastructure to do this. Is WISPA lobbying against this? It will be nearly impossible for  most of us in the wireless business to do this, without major restructuring,  or a huge expense that we can't afford. - Original Message - From: "George Rogato"  [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] WHY?  http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6108279.html?part=rsstag=6108279subj=news   Why would Qwest want ISP's to have to retain this data? George --  WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/  -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Ron Wallace
Patrick,

Man, you coughed those URLs up pretty fast. Thanks for your participation in this list, you always have something educational, and you share your knowledge openly. Glsd you decided to come back.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 05:37 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..That's easy. From the FCC site:https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfmAnd here is the search location:https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfmPatrick LearyAVP MarketingAlvarion, Inc.o: 650.314.2628c: 760.580.0080Vonage: 650.641.1243-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Jack UngerSent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..Patrick, From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms of marketing certified equipment. Can you research the certification labs that Alvarion has used and give us the names of those labs so that others will know where to go for reliable certification services?Thanks, jackPatrick Leary wrote: We have a pretty vigorous approved third party antenna list, but I believe we are somewhat of the exception in terms of this facility.  Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243  -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..  This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing  of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify.  Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more  cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would  make this more of a requirement than what it seems to be now. If we all  insist on certs then the overall cost for this would be negligible. ScrivJack Unger wrote:  John,Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect organization to perform this role.We could start by simply polling our list members to see which labs anyone has used and been satisfied with.OK, speak up guys (and gals). What lab or labs have you researched or used? jackJohn Scrivner wrote:The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means "anything goes". The truth is that there are almost certainly a good bit of installed systems which would not pass FCC enforcement inspection. Many believe that following maximum EIRP rules is the only requirement. This is not so. It is a good practice if you are not following the rules but that does not mean it is legal. Another common belief is that "anything goes" is the rule of thumb due to the general lack of enforcement in unlicensed bands. This is unfortunate and further illustrates the need for our industry to mature.Part of this maturity process should start by operators demanding to see FCC certifications for the systems they buy. It is tough for operators to remain compliant when so few systems are certified. Another step should be that manufacturers certify their systems with commonly used antenna / radio configurations every time they release a product. Finally, distributors need to demand that all systems they sell meet certification requirements. The fact is that certification is not terribly costly or complicated and should be a step taken by all manufacturers and eventually all of us. If anyone here represents manufacturers who certify all their systems then now would be a good time to toot your horn.I believe the day will likely come that the FCC will inspect WISP systems. It took them about 20 years to start cracking down on the cable television industry for signal leakage and other infractions. Something tells me this industry will not have to wait that long. Of course the decision to follow the rules is inevitably up to each person. I would like to think we all will be compliant in the future but this is an unrealistic goal I am sure if manufacturers do not take a leadership role in this effort. WISPA stops short of demanding that members do anything but I will say, as President of WISPA, we should all try to follow the law regarding this industry. No industry association could expect to have impact in policy and legislative efforts if they took the stand that shirking the law

Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member

2006-08-12 Thread Ron Wallace
I wish, just feeling warm and fuzzy because the net is working mostly right for a change.
-Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 01:25 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member
Ron - you been drinking ? Boy you sure are full of warm fuzzies tonight :)

JohnnyO


-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:19 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member
Yes, Welcome alvarion, And thank you and Patrick for the many papers and valuable information that you have made available to all of us in the past.
I look forward to your input here in the future.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 02:04 AMTo: '', ''Subject: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor MemberWe are proud to announce that Alvarion has joined WISPA as our newest vendor member. Alvarion has been key in the development of the operations of many WISPs over the years. Alvarion is considered by many to be the premier solution for WISP operations and we welcome them to WISPA as a vendor member. I am sure I speak for all WISPA members when I say welcome to Alvarion.Scriv-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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[WISPA] Responses to Network Storm

2006-08-11 Thread Ron Wallace

I meant for this to go to Part15 and Wispa lists, Maybe this will work.

A special thanks goes to Jeremy Davis, Jeremy was on the phone and looking at the Mikrotik all the while, most of the cudoos go to Jeremy. below I make it sound like I did it. NOT TRUE, I'm the guy with the thick skull in this mix.

JEREMY DAVIS - GETS ALL THE CREDIT!!
-Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 03:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm
Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem.

So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky.
But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, 
Thanks again for all your insights and advice.

You guys are Great!

Here are most of the guys that responded:

TJ Stamm, Justin Wilson, Graham McIntire, Tim Kerns, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mac Dearman, Rich Comroe, Bryan Scott, David Sovereen, Adam Moffett, Christopher Tyler, "Chuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cameron Earnshaw, Tim Kerns, William.L. Edwards, Graham McIntire, Mark Martin, Bill Prince, David Milholen, Ira Hughes, Adam Moffett

If I missed anyone I apologize for my oversite.

Ron Wallace

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Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member

2006-08-11 Thread Ron Wallace
Yes, Welcome alvarion, And thank you and Patrick for the many papers and valuable information that you have made available to all of us in the past.
I look forward to your input here in the future.
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 02:04 AMTo: '', ''Subject: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor MemberWe are proud to announce that Alvarion has joined WISPA as our newest vendor member. Alvarion has been key in the development of the operations of many WISPs over the years. Alvarion is considered by many to be the premier solution for WISP operations and we welcome them to WISPA as a vendor member. I am sure I speak for all WISPA members when I say welcome to Alvarion.Scriv-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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[WISPA] Network Storm

2006-08-10 Thread Ron Wallace

To all,

I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys  Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.

I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice?

Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise.

Ron Wallace
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Re: [WISPA] Network Storm

2006-08-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Bill.
-Original Message-From: William.L. Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Storm
It is probably peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent traffic if I were guessing.


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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Network Storm

To all,

I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys  Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.

I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice?

Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise.

Ron Wallace
Tigernet
Phone: 517-547-8410
Mobile: 517-605-4542
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Network Storm

2006-08-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Tim, I'm not sure yet. but how do you mean you are 90% routed? Does each of your APs go directly to a router? I only have one headend, w/ 1 canopy 900 on an omni, 3 canopy 2.45's each on a 120* sector, thats it. They are all plugged into a CMMmicro, from there to a Netgear switch, to a Mikrotik router, to a back haul (tranzeo 5a) to a CLEC fiber for access - its simple but it has worked well, until this mess.
-Original Message-From: Tim Kerns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:52 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm
Ron,

Are you seeing icmp to other IP's that are unreachable along with the icmp to 0.0.0.0 ?

I have seen this in the past and looked like it was coming from a linksys router. I suspected the router was randomly replying to other's IP's, basically causing loops.To isolate I had to disable different AP's to discover which AP it was originating from, then acl each client until I could isolate to a client, long process in between network hangs. The last time this happened to me 90% of my network was bridged. Now I am 90% routed and have not seen the problem

Tim 

- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List ; William.L. Edwards 
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm

Thanks Bill.
-Original Message-From: William.L. Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Storm
It is probably peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent traffic if I were guessing.


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-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Network Storm

To all,

I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys  Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.

I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice?

Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise.

Ron Wallace
Tigernet
Phone: 517-547-8410
Mobile: 517-605-4542
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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[WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm

2006-08-10 Thread Ron Wallace
Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem.
So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky.
But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, 
Thanks again for all your insights and advice.
You guys are Great!
-Original Message-From: TJ Stamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:27 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WISP] Network StormYour first step is to find out where all of this traffic is coming from. Perfect time to learn Etheral, plug a hub in before your switch, and sniff away. 1-3min of run time should be more than enough.Ron Wallace wrote: To all,  I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches  on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center  and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened  before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others  have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from  Linksys  Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.  I am a know-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not  familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are  you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice?  Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll  do whatever you all advise.  Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Introducing the New BreezeNET® B100 Backhaul from Alvarion:· Up to 70 Mbps net· Over 1,000 VoIP calls· Under $6,500 per linkThe WISP Game is Changing. Click to Save an Additional $100!http://www.alvarion.com/B100/?ref=part-15tag***Register your services in our FREE WISP Locatorhttp://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp***The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion ListTo Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournicknameTo Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp)Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
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Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm

2006-08-10 Thread Ron Wallace
A special thanks goes to Jeremy Davis, Jeremy was on the phone and looking at the Mikrotik all the while, most of the cudoos go to Jeremy. below I make it sound like I did it. NOT TRUE, I'm the guy with the thick skull in this mix.

JEREMY DAVIS - GETS ALL THE CREDIT!!
-Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 03:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm
Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem.
So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky.
But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, 
Thanks again for all your insights and advice.
You guys are Great!
-Original Message-From: TJ Stamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:27 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WISP] Network StormYour first step is to find out where all of this traffic is coming from. Perfect time to learn Etheral, plug a hub in before your switch, and sniff away. 1-3min of run time should be more than enough.Ron Wallace wrote: To all,  I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches  on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center  and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened  before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others  have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from  Linksys  Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.  I am a know-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not  familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are  you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice?  Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll  do whatever you all advise.  Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Introducing the New BreezeNET® B100 Backhaul from Alvarion:· Up to 70 Mbps net· Over 1,000 VoIP calls· Under $6,500 per linkThe WISP Game is Changing. Click to Save an Additional $100!http://www.alvarion.com/B100/?ref=part-15tag***Register your services in our FREE WISP Locatorhttp://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp***The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion ListTo Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournicknameTo Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp)Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
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Re: [WISPA] Lightning hits

2006-08-09 Thread Ron Wallace
Hey Brian,
You should have a lightning arrestor between the antenna and radio, well grounded to the tower, also an arrestor between the radio and your red barn, well grounded. That should protect the radio as well as can be. 

7/1/05, my tower was hit, I had all the arrestors in place, and well grounded. Of the 4 AP's on the tower one survived, but I have had good luck since.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2006 11:32 AMTo: 'Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization'Subject: [WISPA] Lightning hitsI have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static. Until I can get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question. If I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio survive? It is still in the air, but there is no power to it. I am trying to save the RF side. Will it work.Brian-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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[WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help

2006-07-31 Thread Ron Wallace
To all,

I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find asomeusers with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.

I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45,  Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.

How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help

2006-07-31 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks Larry, that is very useful. I shall follow all of the advice I get.
-Original Message-From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help
Ron,

When the number of active connections for any single user exceeds about 10 to 15 simultaneous connections, you generally have one of two things occurring. Either the subscriber has been infected by some sort of virus/spyware or the customer is running some sort of peer-to-peer networking software (i.e. Kaaza, winMX, Limewire, Bittorrent, etc, etc, etc). 

Either of these situations will result in increased latency and decreased overall available network throughput on the Canopy systems. On the Tranzeo system, the effect is far worse. Since Tranzeo is 802.11b based, there is no polling mechanism to ensure timely delivery of packets. the effect of a continuous streams ofoutboundtrafficis dropped packets. Dropped packets means timed-out web pages and dropped email sessions. It gets far worse when you start dealing with games and VoIP. Even 1% packet loss can result in unusable games. Likewise, the very slightest IP interruption can make VoIP sessions experience jitter, echoing, and garbled signal.

It is important that you determine the specific customers that are causing the excessive streams. Look at the ports in use and the destination addresses. Determine if the traffic is likely P-t-P or an infection. If it's P-t-P, you should be able to control the volume of the traffic by using the P-t-P throttling mechanisms available through the Mikrotik software. If it's an infection, you shoulddisassociate the user from your AP's until the infection can be resolved. If you simply firewall the outbound traffic, you probably won't solve anything.Many infections cause the PC to continuously send out packets regardless ofwhether those packets ever arrive at a valid destination. Therefore, the infection will keepsending/flooding your AP even if you block the subscriber from successfully reaching the internet viaa Mikrotik firewall.

Larry Yunker
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WISP Advantage
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help

To all,

I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find asomeusers with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.

I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45,  Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.

How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help

2006-07-31 Thread Ron Wallace
Thanks John, I have noticed that many of them from one user are in sequence everyother number 2,4,6,8, for example in the destination addr. I'll have a look at that.-Original Message-From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 09:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpHow many is "some"? They may be boxes that have been compromised with a worm, trojan, virus or spyware. Look closely at the destination ports they are connecting to. If the addresses/ports are in sequence, they may have malware on their PC.John -Original Message-----From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 04:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpTo all,I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find a some users with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45,  Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help

2006-07-31 Thread Ron Wallace
How many? 2 maybe 4, not many. but one has generated over 500 boxes in the firewall connections listing.-Original Message-From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 09:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpHow many is "some"? They may be boxes that have been compromised with a worm, trojan, virus or spyware. Look closely at the destination ports they are connecting to. If the addresses/ports are in sequence, they may have malware on their PC.John -Original Message-----From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 04:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpTo all,I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find a some users with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45,  Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-18 Thread Ron Wallace
OK, makes sense to me. I'm glad you are on top of all these things. You do a great job Marlon.
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
I specifically left out the whitespaces because they are already on the table and may see movement at any time. I didn't want to put another 2 year hold on them

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- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
Marlon, I just read it. I have many installs, I'm an old guy, I'll respond Sunday. and it "Looks good to me". Accept there is no or little mention of the TV White Spaces, I think they would be perfect for a project like this. And Baseline testing prior to the experiment is an absolute must.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time  but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test  can be run via different technologies in different environments. We  believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non  interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test  should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being  run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured  and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a  technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want  to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would  require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too  loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets  the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any  open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up  with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at  some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly  all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be  recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the  goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good  job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in  specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi  equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot  antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated  (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a  "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that  interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would  guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz  band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links  and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these  PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the poin

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-18 Thread Ron Wallace
In my mind it would include Frequency Test and Measurement prior toany actual device being tested, including Adjacent Channel or frequencies. Additionally, initial tests of the devices in a lab, this would establish a Success Criteria that would allow the Baseline Frequency Testing to determine if the project is possible. In our case, which bands are even useable.

This response is far short of all the requirements that should be included, I need help from others more experienced than me.
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
What is baseline testing in your context?

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- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
In fact I can't believe baseline testing is not a prerequsite, hell I still can't spell.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time  but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test  can be run via different technologies in different environments. We  believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non  interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test  should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being  run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured  and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a  technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want  to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would  require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too  loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets  the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any  open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up  with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at  some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly  all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be  recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the  goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good  job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in  specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi  equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot  antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated  (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a  "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that  interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would  guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz  band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links  and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these  PtP links with their very h

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-18 Thread Ron Wallace
A measurement that may be used as a basis for comparison, I think that there would be multiple baseline testing requirements, the unit being tested, thefrequency to be tested.
-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
What is baseline testing in your context?

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- Original Message - 
From: Ron Wallace 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
In fact I can't believe baseline testing is not a prerequsite, hell I still can't spell.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time  but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test  can be run via different technologies in different environments. We  believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non  interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test  should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being  run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured  and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a  technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want  to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would  require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too  loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets  the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any  open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up  with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at  some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly  all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be  recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the  goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good  job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in  specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi  equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot  antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated  (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a  "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that  interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would  guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz  band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links  and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these  PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the point of this nprm as I read it. 2: We think that multiple tests should be allowed to run simultaneously  in many markets around the country. Absolutely. 3: Tests should span from fallow to highly used spectrum. We believe that  one of the criteria should be eq

Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc

2006-06-15 Thread Ron Wallace
Marlon, I just read it. I have many installs, I'm an old guy, I'll respond Sunday. and it "Looks good to me". Accept there is no or little mention of the TV White Spaces, I think they would be perfect for a project like this. And Baseline testing prior to the experiment is an absolute must.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time  but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test  can be run via different technologies in different environments. We  believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non  interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test  should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being  run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured  and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a  technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want  to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would  require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too  loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets  the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any  open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up  with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at  some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly  all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be  recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the  goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good  job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in  specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi  equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot  antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated  (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a  "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that  interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would  guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz  band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links  and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these  PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the point of this nprm as I read it. 2: We think that multiple tests should be allowed to run simultaneously  in many markets around the country. Absolutely. 3: Tests should span from fallow to highly used spectrum. We believe that  one of the criteria should be equipment availability. There are radios  already on the market that will operate in the 2.5 GHz band. This should  make modifications to the operating software much easier and less  expensive for at least one phase of the tests. We think that all spectrum  should be looked at honestly. Important but not mission critical cases  should be looked at. ie: Radio navigation should be off limits, but the  local plumber’s VHF channels should not. *IF* the plumber detects unusual  interference on his band he should be able to contact the testing party  and first verify the interference and secondly make them stop causing it. The typical Atheros powered WiFi radio has the ability to access from 2312  to 2732 in the 2 

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