Re: [WISPA] MT telnet

2008-08-04 Thread Ryan Langseth
Can you set your TERM env variable to something different? 
I don't have a mikrotik to try it on, but if you set your TERM env 
variable to vt100 it should not use color

Ryan

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Sigh *no*...
 http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/US07/v3.pdf (page 21)

 Console: Colors
 Console consumes less memory, it hasfaster startup and fast export time
 References to items, commands, prompts and exports are coloured
 Currently no way to turn colours off, except running under a dumb terminal



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 Travis Johnson wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the color features on 
 the newer Mikrotik ROS versions when doing a telnet? It is messing up 
 our remote telnet scripts because the color codes are being sent and the 
 Net::Telnet perl module does not know how to deal with them.

 thanks,

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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Re: [WISPA] NS1 - KML conversion

2008-07-23 Thread Ryan Langseth
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map?form=wifi

Ryan
On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Rogelio wrote:

 I'm looking for scripts (perl, python, etc) that turn Netstumber (or
 equiv) data into the KML files necessary for Google Earth.

 So far, I've only found the following googling.

 http://code.google.com/p/ns2kml/

 Has anyone found any others that work well?


 
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Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCC to PunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-14 Thread Ryan Langseth
Can we please kill this thread,  nothing new has been said in it in the 
last three days (or year...),  its redundant and repetitive. 

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue

2008-07-10 Thread Ryan Langseth
What firmware are you running? the 5.0.18 is supposed to handle noise
better.
I have been told to turn off automatic noise immunity on our VL.  In our
case it did help some.

Have you run a Spectrum Analysis with the AU? find the quietest channel.

Run a real SA,  check h-pol too.  Ultimately we switched to H-pol on our
VL, way less noise.


Ryan


Cameron Kilton wrote:
 I have a 5.8ghz sector running in a fairly nosing environment. From time
 to time, it stops pass data. I'm able to telnet into this device and see
 associations, but I cannot ping the or telnet to the client SU's until I
 reboot the AU-VL.

 Anybody have any good ideas. I've done some of the easy stuff, change
 freq, new IDU but no luck so far. 

 Thank You,
 Cameron Kilton
 Broadband Department
 Assistant Systems Administrator
 Midcoast Internet Solutions
 http://www.midcoast.com/
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[WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

2008-07-02 Thread Ryan Langseth
Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED],  i am fairly certain i did not 
give them my address at any point.  I suspect it may have been harvested from 
the list,  has anyone else seen a message from them today?

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Re: [WISPA] DNS help

2008-06-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
That does not mean they are having issues,  just that they do not  
support recursive lookups (considered a security issue in most cases).

ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com ns1.etsy.com
Using domain server:
Name: ns1.etsy.com
Address: 38.106.64.5#53
Aliases:

Host google.com.admintool.org not found: 5(REFUSED)
ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host www.etsy.com ns1.etsy.com
Using domain server:
Name: ns1.etsy.com
Address: 38.106.64.5#53
Aliases:

www.etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20

Ryan

On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 After getting some help from Ryan Spott, it appears ETSY.COM's DNS  
 servers are having issues. By using their DNS servers and trying to  
 do nslookups, every single domain fails with REFUSED.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Ryan Langseth wrote:

 Are the server *NIX servers?

 try running host  etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to  
 make
 sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53

 your output should be similar to :
 ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5
 Using domain server:
 Name: 38.106.64.5
 Address: 38.106.64.5#53
 Aliases:

 etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20
 etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net.

 If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a  
 bad
 value,  you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries.


 Ryan

 On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


 Hi,

 We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to  
 ping
 and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are
 unable to
 resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have  
 users
 calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I
 could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a  
 week. :(

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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Re: [WISPA] DNS help

2008-06-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
just noticed a typo in my query,  but the result is still the same:

ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com. ns1.etsy.com
Using domain server:
Name: ns1.etsy.com
Address: 38.106.64.5#53
Aliases:

Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED)

On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Ryan Langseth wrote:

 That does not mean they are having issues,  just that they do not
 support recursive lookups (considered a security issue in most cases).

 ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com ns1.etsy.com
 Using domain server:
 Name: ns1.etsy.com
 Address: 38.106.64.5#53
 Aliases:

 Host google.com.admintool.org not found: 5(REFUSED)
 ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host www.etsy.com ns1.etsy.com
 Using domain server:
 Name: ns1.etsy.com
 Address: 38.106.64.5#53
 Aliases:

 www.etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20

 Ryan

 On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 After getting some help from Ryan Spott, it appears ETSY.COM's DNS
 servers are having issues. By using their DNS servers and trying to
 do nslookups, every single domain fails with REFUSED.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Ryan Langseth wrote:

 Are the server *NIX servers?

 try running host  etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to
 make
 sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53

 your output should be similar to :
 ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5
 Using domain server:
 Name: 38.106.64.5
 Address: 38.106.64.5#53
 Aliases:

 etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20
 etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net.

 If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a
 bad
 value,  you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries.


 Ryan

 On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


 Hi,

 We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to
 ping
 and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are
 unable to
 resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have
 users
 calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I
 could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a
 week. :(

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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Re: [WISPA] DNS help

2008-06-27 Thread Ryan Langseth
Are the server *NIX servers?

try running host  etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to make  
sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53

your output should be similar to :
ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5
Using domain server:
Name: 38.106.64.5
Address: 38.106.64.5#53
Aliases:

etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20
etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net.

If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a bad  
value,  you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries.


Ryan

On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to ping
 and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are  
 unable to
 resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have users
 calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I
 could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a week. :(

 Travis
 Microserv


 
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [WISP] Internet Monitor - new release posted

2008-06-21 Thread Ryan Langseth
How about a SOAP interface rather than email? That would be a decent way 
to distribute custom updates, config options and send the results.

Ryan
Larry Yunker wrote:
 Just a quick note:  I posted a new release of the Internet Monitor software
 today. (v. 1.0.0.17)

 It's available at http://www.wispadvantage.com/html/custom_software.html

  

 I addressed a few bugs and improved the stability of the speed test features
 in this release.  I also made significant changes to the email-report
 mechanism.  It now generates a nice XML file when sending the test results
 back to the ISP.

  

 I'm getting close to having an automated method for checking-for and
 downloading-updates, but without more testing, I'm not ready to deploy that
 code quite yet.  Hopefully I'll have it within the next week.

  

 Regards,

 Larry Yunker

 Network Consultant

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Re: [WISPA] How much data

2008-06-17 Thread Ryan Langseth
Here is another one (written by a friend of mine) it will calculate the 
missing value (time, speed, or size)

http://therub.org/calc/

another good option is google calc:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialhs=Cd7q=1+Mbps+*+24+hoursbtnG=Search

10.587 GB


Ryan*
*
D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 There is a handy calculator here:
 http://www.tranzeofaq.com/bandwidthcalc.html

 ryan


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 Ok silly question that has probably been asked a million times. But  
 if a
 user had a 1M connection how much data in Megs could he transfer if  
 it ran
 at maximum capacity for 24 hours?

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Re: [WISPA] IDS

2008-05-30 Thread Ryan Langseth
YOu might have some luck with this:
http://search-www.vmware.com/socialsearch/query?cn=vmwarecc=wwwst=1adv=0bn_uf=VMware_Site_appliances_dirbn_if=VMware_Site_appliances_dirq=snortx=0y=0

Ryan
Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm looking for a quick and easy IDS package (ISO would be preferred) 
 that I can install for some basic network sniffing (viruses, worms, 
 SMURF, DOS, etc.). I know about Snort, but it is a huge project to get 
 everything installed and working correctly. Anyone know of an ISO (even 
 with Snort ready to run), etc.? or something similar?
 
 thanks,
 
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Re: [WISPA] Archives of email?

2008-05-23 Thread Ryan Langseth
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-Original Message-
From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Archives of email?

I thought there was a search function of the listservs? Someone asked 
about Freeside the other day and I didn't read the posts, but now I want 
to know what was said. Can I look it up?

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Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble

2008-05-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
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[WISPA] Freeside Consultants

2008-05-20 Thread Ryan Langseth
Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that 
type of work?


Contact me offlist, thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach

2008-05-19 Thread Ryan Langseth

a google earth census data viewer, along with info on how it was  
created:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2102559,00.asp


On May 19, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Frank Crawford wrote:

 When ya'll get done jawjacking about crap that isn't going to get to a
 solution I could use some guidence about this.

 (There are no plans to create Block level boundary files.)

 http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/bdy_files.html

 With this info we can put together a self indexing program that only  
 needs
 the information you allready have. It's not that big of deal  
 provided we
 don't have to pay for the census data.

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 From: CHUCK M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking  
 broadband's reach


 Then The JURY members were uneducated boobs... a little reading  
 and it
 is very evident he should not be in jail.part of the scare  
 tactic the
 IRS uses every yearsad but true
 If one wanted to read more http://www.originalintent.org/



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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: May 19, 2008 10:45 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's
 reach

 Your wrong, Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years because a  
 JURY felt
 he should.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's
 reach

 I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law  
 requiring you
 to
 pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do you  
 think
 they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is  
 coming out
 on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income  
 tax.
 Just
 type income tax on Youtube.

 That is why Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years...

 On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has  
 the
 right
 to impose an imcome tax...

 I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law  
 requiring you
 to
 pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do  
 you think
 they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is  
 coming
 out
 on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income  
 tax.
 Just
 type income tax on Youtube.


 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2
 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's
 reach

 While at it, bill the IRS for your time in filling out their data
 requests
 which they will use against you.
 Ditto the census bureau, you must be really steamed when they roll
 around...
 Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has  
 the
 right
 to impose an imcome tax...

 I feel godwins law about to be invoked.  Tinfoil hats anyone...





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband

2008-05-01 Thread Ryan Langseth
Funny,  we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite 
often.  Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build 
our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their 
premise.  I would much rather take their 300-500/month (t1 pricing) than 
give them to the telcos 


Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I agree.
 
 I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his games 
 would work on our system.  heh
 
 Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had up 
 to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the telco!
 
 Never heard from him again.  grin
 
 laters
 marlon
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
 
 
 I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is 
 where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going 
 the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely open 
 concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort.

 Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major 
 telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth 
 intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no 
 bandwidth shaping.

 IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a 
 limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water 
 usage, etc... have been for a long time.

 My 2 pence worth.

 Scott

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 Date:  Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500

 So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband 
 service?  It obviously depends on what your costs are.  I'll just throw 
 something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any 
 costs.

 $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits.

 $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits.


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Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection

2008-04-19 Thread Ryan Langseth
It shouldn't since your wired and wireless cards have different mac addresses.

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Not true.

I am always connected to both.



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A friend told me that if a computer wifi connection supports RSTP, and if
I'm, say, logged on a wired network *and* logged on one of my wireless
network devices that I could create some sort of RSTP disaster (a loop,
perhaps?)

I'm not quite sure I understand this and was hoping someone here might point
me in the right direction to understanding.



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Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps

2008-04-03 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:15 -0500, Matt wrote:
  Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole!
 
  All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier
  for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co.  On top of
  that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER
  Wowsers.
 
 Not per custommer rather for the entire node.  Currently one channel
 is shared among many.  In future 4 will be shared among many.
 
  It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up.
 
  This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there.  $200 50 meg
  connections.  Very nice.  I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that!  Or
  at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link.
 
 Me thinks it would be a very cold day in  that they would give you
 more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something
 like BGP.

Not to mention their AUP would almost definitely disallow reselling,
they could disconnect you at a moments notice for that violation. Your
$1000 10 meg connection is dedicated bandwidth, vs shared bandwidth from
Comcast. And would you really want your customers depending on Comcast?





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Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money

2008-04-02 Thread Ryan Langseth
You can pick up a Cisco ASA5505 with basic access for under 500 from newegg.


Ryan

Ron Wallace wrote:
 Yes, you are right David, it was not specific. 
 
 They need to protect their Medicial Billing Records, Patient info as well as 
 critical info about their own business from Hackers who might discover 
 thier business, damage some of the billing and medical data, or cause a 
 failure in their system. Worst case would be to publish patient medical 
 Records data, this has happened before and HHS and the Attorneys freak out, 
 and so therefore do the Docs.
 
 Outside Access requirement is only for the Doc's wife to access the Billing 
 System (SW) to enable work from home.
 
 I appreciate anything you are willing to share. And your pointing out the 
 vagueness of the request was insightful, thanks very much.
 
 Ron Wallace
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 220 S. Jackson Dt.
 Addison, MI 49220
 
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 I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their  
 LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule  
 prefer $500. 
 That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what if 
 any outside access should be permitted? This could be as simple as a $50 
 Linksys router, or as complicated as a mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked 
 those still were in the $700-ish range). Answering the question properly will 
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Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...

2008-03-06 Thread Ryan Langseth

We have run into this same problem with prism AP to Tranzeo CPE.A
majority of our Aps are Prism's and we are installing almost all new
customers with tranzeo CPEs.  A majority of them work just fine, but every
once in a while we will have a problem install.  We have started stocking a
small inventory of prism based cpe equipment for those problems.

I have had other vendors admit the same issue.


Ryan

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3.3 on 532 and 333.
marlon

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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...


  What version of mt on what hardware?

  Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 
I'm having trouble with the cpq and mt with xr2 cards.

There's a problem that they aren't figuring out yet.

marlon

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  Hi all...

Recently, I am having a problem with the Tranzeo CPQ CPE radio's passing
traffic when associated to a Hermes I, (Lucent PCMCIA based) or a Prism
2.5, (Senao MP2511 based) AP.  They will associate and show good signal
quality, but they have high and variable latency, very high, (80%+)
retransmission rate, and next to no thruput.

If I take an old Tranzeo CPE-200 or a Linksys WET-11 or a Lucent EC, it
works fine.

Tranzeo claim there is a known issue with Atheros clients connecting to
these older AP's, but I have Atheros based PCMCIA cards in laptops that
work just fine with them.

Has anyone else had this or a similar problem?  And if so, is there any
work around?

Thanks...

Blair Davis
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo tr-6000 ap

2008-02-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
We have seen similar issues.  We had three come off of a tower ten miles past 
nowhere.  They would work for a max 2 weeks  and fail. Even reboots would not 
work.  All grounding was redone, even removed.  The problem went away when we 
replaced it with another brand ap.

On another tower we had another wisp about ten blocks away with breezeaccess 
2.4  there we reduced the antenna gain and eventually replaced the tranzeos 
with different aps.  That was definitely a interference issue, but the tranzeo 
seemed to handle the noise terribly. 

Ryan 

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Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo tr-6000 ap

Anyone else having trouble with these?

It's like Jeckle and Hide.  Sometimes they work great, other times they lock 
up constantly.

In my case it's pretty location dependant.  Take a place that they won't 
work, use that same radio somewhere else and it seems to work ok.  At the 
place it wouldn't work, put in something else and the new gear runs fine.

They almost all lock up from time to time on me.  Some locations worse so 
than others.

It seems to be interference related.  Like the radio gets tired of retries 
or some other thing and finally just rolls over and wets it's self.

Sure we see slow downs and other things with all of the product we use, 
that's kind of expected in this day and age.  But even the SB ap's have been 
more stable lately.

sigh,
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Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast

2008-01-31 Thread Ryan Langseth

If you are getting to the middle of nowhere with a service vehicle, 
http://www.collegeflagsandbanners.com/tailgate-flagpole.html  would 
probably work well.  Our CEO has one for tailgating (we have not tried 
it for surveys), you just drive onto the stand and put in the flag pole.

Our tailgate flagpole system is an excellent addition to your 
tailgating equipment. Sold separately, the system includes our 
[extendable 44 - ] 20' tailgate flagpole, wheel stand, and ground mount 
thereby allowing to setup your tailgate party on any surface.


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Mike Hammett wrote:
 I'm looking at getting a telescoping mast to check for signals.  It sure 
 would be nice to know just how high I have to go to get good signal vs. 
 knowing that 7' - 8' (where is as tall as I can hold the antenna) isn't 
 enough.
 
 If I'm next to a house, no big deal...  someone stands at the base (I think I 
 saw a steak mount) while someone else stands on the roof to steady.  How 
 would I steady it in the middle of nowhere...  i.e.:  checking to see how I 
 could steady it when I'm checking signal in some experiments\long term 
 production use.
 
 I do have access to flatbed trailers I could guy to the pockets...  not for 
 transport, though, just stationary testing.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] GPS

2008-01-29 Thread Ryan Langseth

One thing to watch with the compasses is magnetic distortion.  When we  
are aiming a PTP link or sector we will use a compass and a reference  
point from google earth.  This is especially important when on top of  
a grain elevator since they can have some large electric motors for  
the conveyors, which will throw off magnetic compasses.

For installs we have given our techs MS streets and trips with the usb  
GPS dongle.  Our Installer's vans are equipped with Jotto Desks and  
have tablets PC that allow them to use the Street and Trips for  
directions.

Ryan


On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 I love my Garmin Etrex Summit.  One of the things I like the most is  
 it's
 magnetic compass.  Don't have to be moving for it to work.

 I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a  
 laptop.
 Great for surveys.
 marlon

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 I am looking at getting a GPS device.  I'd like it to work with many
 different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc.

 What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these  
 programs?

 I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I  
 can
 climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a  
 number
 out of you know where.

 Recommendations?


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Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
There are things like looking at the customer base.

1) are they likely to need incoming connections  ( This is mainly for  
businesses )
2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate  
trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just  
annoying)
3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers  
router will be doing nat also.  Certain system do not handle that very  
nicely

Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all,  I also  
strongly dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that  
static.
Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber,  obivously  
with privates that problem is largely gone.

Depending on where you are doing your NAT,  I would suggest if you go  
that route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers.  That  
way you can implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find  
problem customers (virus, etc) .

Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major  
mistake.  You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install techs  
and CSRs time per install.


Ryan

On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with  
 cost.


 Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly?

 Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,,  it was supposed to say bigger  
and more profitable.

I am looking at it from my standpoint,  we have 2000+ customers, 48  
POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and  
rfc1918).  We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during  
business hours.  Now, in order to  assign an IP address the tech has  
to call in and get one from the CSRs,  that can take awhile especially  
when we are busy.  Assigning and managing IPs is done with a BFS (Big  
%#ing Spreadsheet), I am guessing you currently use the same method.   
Now we could assign the IP address on the work order, but then you  
have to make sure it gets used, or marked as free if it is a no-go,  
this is more difficult with more people.   Also since we have multiple  
CSRs we have to have the BFS shared,  that causes numerous time delays  
when saving, making changes and dealing with conflicts.

Luckily  I hardly ever have to deal with the BFS, or IP assignment.   
But I do believe it can be better

Rather than looking at how well it works now,  take a look at how it  
will work in the future.  If you are ok with what you see,  continue  
how you want.  I am only expressing my opinion  and will not feel bad  
if you do not agree with it. ;)

Ryan

On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:

 Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP  
 comes
 into play.  Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in.  Yeah, not  
 quite as
 convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate IP's if you get
 sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with static.

 Renumbering, like you mentioned, is also MUCH easier if you have  
 internal
 privates.  I NAT at the headend - not at each tower / POP.  Makes  
 management
 very easy for me.

 For me, static works, dhcp doesn't.  Of course, everyone is different.



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 On
 Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:12 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

 There are things like looking at the customer base.

 1) are they likely to need incoming connections  ( This is mainly for
 businesses )
 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate  
 trying
 to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just
 annoying)
 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers  
 router
 will be doing nat also.  Certain system do not handle that very nicely

 Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all,  I also  
 strongly
 dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that static.
 Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber,  obivously  
 with
 privates that problem is largely gone.

 Depending on where you are doing your NAT,  I would suggest if you  
 go that
 route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers.  That way  
 you can
 implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find problem customers
 (virus, etc) .

 Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major
 mistake.  You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install  
 techs and
 CSRs time per install.


 Ryan

 On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with
 cost.


 Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly?

 Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

2008-01-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yea, actually I have looked that and would love to have that.  This is  
a network I inherited, it was this way when I got it.  If it was mine  
from the beginning DHCP would have been used (along with RADIUS and  
etc).

Ryan
On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Ryan,

 Have you considered using DHCP to manage manually assigned IP  
 addresses?
 It offers the best of both worlds. The IPs are statically mapped to
 customers, yet the allocations are managed on the server side,  
 eliminating
 the concern about ongoing maintenance (lost client settings).
 Additionally, duplicate IP allocation is prevented.

 ted

 On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Ryan Langseth wrote:

 My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,,  it was supposed to say bigger
 and more profitable.

 I am looking at it from my standpoint,  we have 2000+ customers, 48
 POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and
 rfc1918).  We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during
 business hours.  Now, in order to  assign an IP address the tech has
 to call in and get one from the CSRs,  that can take awhile  
 especially
 when we are busy.  Assigning and managing IPs is done with a BFS (Big
 %#ing Spreadsheet), I am guessing you currently use the same method.
 Now we could assign the IP address on the work order, but then you
 have to make sure it gets used, or marked as free if it is a no-go,
 this is more difficult with more people.   Also since we have  
 multiple
 CSRs we have to have the BFS shared,  that causes numerous time  
 delays
 when saving, making changes and dealing with conflicts.

 Luckily  I hardly ever have to deal with the BFS, or IP assignment.
 But I do believe it can be better

 Rather than looking at how well it works now,  take a look at how it
 will work in the future.  If you are ok with what you see,  continue
 how you want.  I am only expressing my opinion  and will not feel bad
 if you do not agree with it. ;)

 Ryan

 On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:

 Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP
 comes
 into play.  Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in.  Yeah, not
 quite as
 convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate IP's if you  
 get
 sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with static.

 Renumbering, like you mentioned, is also MUCH easier if you have
 internal
 privates.  I NAT at the headend - not at each tower / POP.  Makes
 management
 very easy for me.

 For me, static works, dhcp doesn't.  Of course, everyone is  
 different.



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users

 There are things like looking at the customer base.

 1) are they likely to need incoming connections  ( This is mainly  
 for
 businesses )
 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate
 trying
 to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just
 annoying)
 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers
 router
 will be doing nat also.  Certain system do not handle that very  
 nicely

 Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all,  I also
 strongly
 dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that  
 static.
 Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber,  obivously
 with
 privates that problem is largely gone.

 Depending on where you are doing your NAT,  I would suggest if you
 go that
 route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers.  That way
 you can
 implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find problem  
 customers
 (virus, etc) .

 Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a  
 major
 mistake.  You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install
 techs and
 CSRs time per install.


 Ryan

 On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with
 cost.


 Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly?

 Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central

2008-01-24 Thread Ryan Langseth

Hey if they want to adopt me, they can go ahead,  I bet the allowance  
would be pretty good.
((218) 213-4272)


Ryan


On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:38 PM, George Rogato wrote:

 http://www.grandcentral.com/

 Something tells me they will eventually adopt every person on earth  
 and
 change our last names to Google.
 Of course there will be a little advertizement somehwere that can't be
 avoided any time we say our name :)



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Re: [WISPA] Linux command question

2007-12-15 Thread Ryan Langseth



Its been awhile since I used sed,  and I can not figure out to read  
and write to the same file.  Since you are doing this with a backup of  
the files, correct?  Here is a way to make it work


mkdir newfiles
for file in `ls .`; do
sed -e 's|../../Templates/||g'  $file  newfiles/$file
echo 
done

The edited files will be in newfiles/

Note:  I used | instead of / for the delimiter,  sed can use different  
delimiters as long as you are consistent in the script.


http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html

Ryan


On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not looking to remove the files, but to remove the text string  
../../Templates/ from those files.



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- Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


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Subject: [WISPA] Linux command question


Would the following command remove ../../Templates/ from all files  
in the /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates directory?




for file in ls /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates ; do

sed -e 's/..\/..\/Templates\///g' $file

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Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground

2007-12-11 Thread Ryan Langseth
Don't forget google's foray into being an ISP

http://www.google.com/tisp/

Ryan

On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:31 -0800, George Rogato wrote:
 Mike Hammett wrote:
  That's a load of crap.   ;-)
  
  Really, though, I had this idea before.
  
 
 Ahh, not so fast...
 
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Re: [WISPA] Internet content liability bill...

2007-12-11 Thread Ryan Langseth

It could have been this:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/1354232


Ryan

On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark McElvy wrote:

My wife mentioned someone on the radio talking about a bill/law  
passing
through congress/senate trying to make ISPs responsible for things  
like

kids getting into porn and what not. She caught the tail end of the
conversation so did not get a lot of details. Anybody hear of anything
like this?



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Re: [WISPA] OT......Question

2007-12-09 Thread Ryan Langseth
Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the  
major problems.I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be  
a release candidate at best.  Frankly if they do not clean up the  
Usability of Vista, it  will be the OS the drives me completely to OS  
X or Linux.   I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of  
the time anyways, its just certain programs that I still need windows  
(hint: Alvarion BreezeConfig for instance).  But apple and the major  
linux distros are working to eliminating that need _without_ having to  
piece it together myself.


These alternative OS's are also producing better products,  I upgraded  
my old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade on the hardware,  
and 10.5 seems to be faster than 10.4. While part of this is because  
of the limited hardware Apple needs to support, they still were able  
to make major upgrades, support 2 hardware architectures,  and it is  
still built better.  The desktop linux distros are getting closer to  
products that anyone can use,  again there is no hardware upgrade  
needed.


You can see these alternatives are scaring MS,  just look at  
graphics,  Vista supports OpenGL as a software compatibility in  
DirectX, and its performance is poor. Why? Because they want to lock  
game developers to their proprietary system, so that those games  
cannot be ported to other OS's which I personally hope backfires on  
them.   Microsoft needs to drop the monopolistic, proprietary  
attitude. Right now they can't even produce a standards compliant web  
browser because of their business tactics.


Even Microsoft isn't using Vista on everything.  They are pushing to  
get XO  to upgrade the OLPC hardware to run XP, not vista, because  
they know they will never get vista to run on lower performance  
machines. They also know they will lose entire continents to Linux if  
the OLPC with linux  becomes popular.



Frankly a lot of people do not use vista because of compatibility and  
usability issues,  once those are cleared up, right around SP1's  
release, I will give it a try again as a personal system.  But it will  
be another 6 moths to a year until major corporations are ready to  
deploy it,  They need to do regression testing, compatibility testing,  
upgrades, etc.   System changes should never be attempted ad-hoc,  
unless you want to waste a lot of money and time.


DELL is not to blame for the drivers,  they don't produce the  
hardware, they put it into systems.  blame the companies that make the  
components and chipsets, Intel, Broadcom, ATI, Nvidia, and etc.  Also  
make sure that when you lay that blame on them, you need to make sure  
that the APIs available to them from MS were complete for vista.   
Microsoft's blame on the hardware issues is somewhat apparent,  how  
many features were dropped, severely changed or rewritten during the  
much delayed release of Vista,  they released it not because it was  
ready, but because they needed to do something


Just as much has to be blamed on the software vendors that produce  
crap that runs on the OS,  the numerous hacks that MS has to build  
into the new versions of each OS to support poorly written third party  
applications is ridiculous.


Ryan

On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Agreed.  This happens with every OS release...  It's OH SO  
HORRIBLE...  but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their  
fabricated fears.  I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have  
0 issues with Vista itself.  Sure, I've had problems with vendors  
who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's  
fault...  that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*.



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In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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dreaded  MS Vista


Why is everyone so down on Vista?  I have been using it for a long   
time,
starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version,  
without problems
[laptops and PC's].  I think it is more a learning curve with so   
many changes
from the earlier versions.  Vista is here to stay and you  should  
be learning

it-not going backwards.


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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results

2007-12-09 Thread Ryan Langseth
If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out  
the 24GHz range,  it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the  
dish size though.  Dragonwave has a product in that range.


Ryan

On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote:


Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to
consider. Some of my old customers use them here in
the Bay Area, California.


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Hello all,

I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are
currently using
Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to
Alvarion, this link is
only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please
call it a 32mbit radio.)
We have looked into results on users who use
Alvarion B100, Trango Link
45, etc..

We are open to all options...As long is it works
very well. The link is
about 3 miles, but we have another link that is
causing the need for the
upgrade that is about 20 miles.

Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line
that is very
impressive, but just too expensive for us right now.

I would like to know if people are using B100 what
is the up/down max
throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you
running VoIP over
this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over
this link, i'm sure many
of you have not even dented this number.

I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have
been well, but their
packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B
gear at almost 40,000
compared to trango at around 10,000.

Thanks,

I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance
and no spectrum to put
it

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Re: [WISPA] vlans

2007-11-18 Thread Ryan Langseth
That should,  now in order to do that you will need to have a separate  
subnet for each AP and the customers off of it (I believe).  Have you  
done any packet sniffing to see if there is a lot of ARP requests?


How many hosts do you have off of that tower?


Ryan


On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

I will be the first to admit that I know very little about VLANs. I  
understand the concept and even how to configure them (somewhat).  
Currently our entire network is fully routed and switched without  
any VLANs. However, we are starting to see a problem on larger tower  
locations where we have 6-10 AP's all plugged into the same ethernet  
switch, and then into a router before it gets to our backbone. I  
think what we are seeing are ARP broadcast storms, etc. and it  
affects all the AP's on that switch at the same time. Ping times to  
customers and the AP's go up to 1500-2000ms, yet we never see the  
traffic on the router itself.


My question is this: Could I enable VLANs on the switch, and put  
each AP into it's own VLAN and then make the port the router is  
plugged into the trunk port? Would this stop the broadcasts from  
affecting other AP's on that switch?


Is there a better solution? What is everyone else doing?

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Re: [WISPA] PacWireless Sector

2007-11-17 Thread Ryan Langseth
I think Tranzeo H. Sectors are Pac Wireless Antennas?  We have also had
good luck with Tranzeo Sectors,  although the towers where we have them
deployed are 100% Tranzeo (AP radio, antenna, and CPE).

Ryan

On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 16:34 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 We have used a LOT of PacWireless 2.4ghz horizontal omni's and they work 
 great. I have never used any PacWireless 2.4ghz sectors, but we do have 
 some Tranzeo 2.4ghz sectors (horizontal) that work good and are affordable.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Mike Hammett wrote:
  I'm looking (again) at putting up another tower.  The tower I have now is 5 
  GHz with two sectors of PacWireless and MTI.  The MTI ones are 
  outperforming the PacWireless ones, but I have never really looked into it. 
   It could be because I bought a 5.4 GHz band antenna so I could do 5.3 or 
  5.7 with little loss.
 
  Anyway
 
  Looking at 2.4 GHz sectors for the new tower.  The PacWireless ones are 
  less than a third of the MTI.  That's a big difference.  Should I really 
  expect that kind of performance difference?  I would love to use all 
  high-end equipment, but I'm still on a shoe-string budget.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities

2007-11-14 Thread Ryan Langseth
Thanks 

Ryan 

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2.5Mhz

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Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode?


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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full  
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,  
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your  
supplier and enter it into the SU.



We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first  
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with  
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much  
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our  
normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with  
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to  
upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.


We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the  
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload  
was what was important to the customer.



Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:

I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion  
fan,


until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out  
the


pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some  
level

of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units  
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that  
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated  
unit

with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES  
and

even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice.

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any  
quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6  
Mbps

full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54  
Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum  
would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to  
pay

for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative  
(the

entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the 

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yes, it would have.   Doing it this way will also help us avoid the  
extra packets per second through that edge router.   The company we  
set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will  
probably saturate their connection during peak times.   The VLAN  
solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP  
skills ;)


Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder,  it  
just avoids the extra delay and load for us.


Ryan


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your
supplier and enter it into the SU.


We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our
normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to
upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload
was what was important to the customer.


Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:


I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out
the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing  
for

the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some
level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low.  
The

lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated
unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit  
to

capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES
and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU  
and

supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice.

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any
quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6
Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a  
fixed

$250. In order to understand

[WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth

Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode?


thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Sorry, I meant load and delay on that edge router ... not due to multi- 
hop.  I should of read through that last email.


Ryan
On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load?  Just  
curious as we
recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us.  The session  
doesn't

appear to establish any different than local sessions.

We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our  
network to

the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Yes, it would have.   Doing it this way will also help us avoid the
extra packets per second through that edge router.   The company we
set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will
probably saturate their connection during peak times.   The VLAN
solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP
skills ;)

Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder,  it
just avoids the extra delay and load for us.

Ryan


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your
supplier and enter it into the SU.


We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass  
our

normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need  
to

upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload
was what was important to the customer.


Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:


I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out
the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I  
was

very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing
for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some
level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low.
The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated
unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit
to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES
and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this  
list

before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software

Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?

2007-11-12 Thread Ryan Langseth

A couple of the differeneces I see: the APC has a 2 year warranty vs 90
days on the generic one,  also it looks like you can add a ethernet
module to the APC for remote monitoring. also the Wattage output is 600W
higher on the APC

Not sure if that is worth twice the price though.

Ryan

On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote:
 I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops.
 
 I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these:
 
 http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1
 
 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price?
 
 http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000
 
 




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Re: [WISPA] netflow

2007-11-08 Thread Ryan Langseth
We capture flow-capture, part of flow-tools, from our Imagestream
routers.  As of right now I only use the data collected to track
problems as needed. 

I found these helpful:
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/08/18/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html


Ryan

On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 21:18 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Anyone have any suggestions for a good Netflow package (collector, 
 reporting, archiving, etc.)? I am mainly interested in AS Souce and 
 Destination, along with protocol information (% of http, etc.).
 
 thanks,
 
 Travis
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[WISPA] Downtilt Calculation

2007-10-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
I have been meaning to ask this for a while.  How does everyone figure
their downtilt?  Do you tilt down slightly more or less than 1/2 the
vertical beamwidth? No downtilt? Anything else?

As a real world example:
We are re-deploying a tower and are moving from an omni to sectors,  we
are putting up tranzeo 13 db 120 degree sectors, with 13 degrees
vertical beamwidth.  The height of our equipment is about 220 ft, over
pretty flat terrain.  With such a setup,  what would you do for the
downtilt?



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Re: [WISPA] short ptp link info

2007-10-09 Thread Ryan Langseth


How about Dragon wave in UL 24GHz range?
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-airpair.asp

Not making a recommendation, as I have never used dragonwave,  I just  
know about the product.


Ryan


On Oct 9, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

I am looking for a short (1 mile) point to point link solution for  
a client. Must be 100Mbps Full-duplex or faster. Prefer NOT 5.8ghz.


Suggestions?

Travis
Microserv
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Re: [WISPA] iPhone

2007-10-02 Thread Ryan Langseth

I would not mind trying one,  but GSM is not an option around here :(

Ryan

Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play 
with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play 
to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our 
area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless 
(a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone 
support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to 
say I am keeping the phone!


This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually 
usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your 
email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to 
use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with 
everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first 
generation phone.


Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :)

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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?

2007-10-02 Thread Ryan Langseth
We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the  
link runs east-west),  the East endpoint is right south of the base,  
less than 3 miles.  We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped  
once.  Here is the DFS info we have:


Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event   Current Status
124 130 days   
 Available
116 130 days   
 Available
120 16  7.20 days   
Available

Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events.

ryan

On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2  
issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it,  
alot from prospects.
It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building  
possitive public perception.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?


Hi folks,

So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am
curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are  
forcing

the radios to vacate and move to another channel.

We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP,
but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please
indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc.

Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't  
think we

have any case where those found a radar.

Thanks,

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AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix

2007-09-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yup.


On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 19:58 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
 Are the pictures coming up for you?
 http://www.netflix.com/BrowseSelection?sgid=2190
 
 
 
 Sam Tetherow wrote:
  http://www.netflix.com/Register looks fine to me.
  
 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless
  
  George Rogato wrote:
  Anyone else having a problem viewing the images at netflix.com?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

2007-09-21 Thread Ryan Langseth
I think Mac means more on the storage side.  RBS sends encrypted  
files to the remote server.  the type where if the key is lost, so  
are your files.  And the files are worthless without the key.  It is  
fine and dandy to have an encrypted network, but if the remote backup  
server has unencrypted files you are in trouble (If I wanted to steal  
data I would go for the central server rather than the single  
connection, bigger payday).  Depending on something like simple zip  
file passwords is laughable at best; maybe it has better encryption  
than that, I don't know.


That being said, except for our issues with scheduling in RBS,  it  
has been very good.



On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

If they need high security, set them up with a router capable of  
AES or

3DES.

Jeff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

I think the real question I would ask - - going over a wireless  
link is:


WHERE THE HECK IS THE SECURITY?

I mean you are going to back up someone's books with no  
(encryption) (like
blowfish) security? I am not talking WEP either! What about  
restoring the
client's data? Is that something that that will take intervention  
on your
part? How about the client's ability to access his backups 24/7 in  
case of

emergency reinstall?

Mac


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Frank Muto
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

We use Handy Back Up as well and have been very pleased with it.
Actually as someone else said they now use WinZip over HBU, we use
both depending on the job at hand. The sync feature on HBU works  
great
for linking files from desktop to laptop or mirroring external  
storage

drives. http://www.handybackup.net/

Another backup program we use is NTI's Shadow for real time or
scheduled backups. I like the real time backup when working with
regular daily files, which are saved to external storage drives each
time the file changes. We also use NTI's Backup Now and Drive Backup.
http://www.ntius.com



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Marlon,  have a link for it?

On 9/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:

We use handy backup.  It's not really popular yet.

We may be over charging for space.  The bitch of it is that people

could

totally screw our network up with all of the backups, even if they

backup to

our servers!

Marlon



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All I can say is that we have been doing off site remote backups

for

several
years - for many Gov't facilities, personal business and even a

few

individuals. We chose this: http://remote-backup.com/  software

and it has

been the greatest, most trouble free software I have ever used.

Not one

moment's trouble in years.

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RE: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?

2007-09-20 Thread Ryan Langseth
Mac:
I wonder what we are doing wrong then, we have been using RBS for 3
years, and it has been a pita.  The scheduling problems have been the
major problem (its scheduler is crap for us). Are you using the RBS
native task scheduler, or running via Windows's task scheduler?

That is the major gripe about it though, other than that it has been
good.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 14:19 -0600, Mac Dearman wrote:
 All I can say is that we have been doing off site remote backups for several
 years - for many Gov't facilities, personal business and even a few
 individuals. We chose this: http://remote-backup.com/  software and it has
 been the greatest, most trouble free software I have ever used. Not one
 moment's trouble in years.
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 
 
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  I've been looking at an open source application called backuppc and
  considering offering remote backup service to some customers.  I
  appreciate the wisdom and experience of the group here.   Any
  suggestions on how best to offer this service?  Any software
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RE: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification

2007-09-19 Thread Ryan Langseth
(inline comments)
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 08:32 -0700, Patrick Leary wrote:
 Wow, that's a big surprise since it is a 180 degree contradiction to
 what Julie and his staff told us at the FCC after the rule was released.
 But I am good with it. It is a flexibility that makes sense. As a
 manufacturer, the only head ache is that providing tech support is more
 a challenge since we don't know the characteristics of substitute
 antennas from the stand point of best practices for co-location,
 separation and general performance. WISPs just need to be aware of that.
 
I had always thought the rules on it were that way, actually I thought I had 
originally heard that from a Alvarion Engineer, I could be wrong though.
Also I have only worked for a WISP for a year, so that change could have been 
made before I heard it.

 I remember the day some years back when Sting Communications in Maryland
 was forced to change out dozens of antennas at tower sites because they
 chose an antenna that was not part of the certified combination, even
 though the antenna did not violate power rules. At least this means that
 WISPs no longer have that risk.

Instead they have the risk of authorized 3rd party vendors (someone they
use because they don't know propagation models) telling/selling them the
wrong antenna (not FCC certified for the gain even), and not explaining
the propagation models of antennas.  I went through that 2 days of
troubleshooting once, and I don't want to again.

Ryan

 
 Patrick Leary
 AVP, Market Development
 Alvarion, Inc.
 o: 650.314.2628
 c: 760.580.0080
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 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:12 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification
 
 Patrick,
 
 I asked the certification lab/TCB that I work with to answer this
 question.
 
 They replied that it is their interpretation that a WISP can use any 
 antenna /of the same type and of equal or lesser gain as an antenna 
 that is authorized with the intentional radiator. /Here's the text from
 
 47 CRF 15.204(c)(4):
 
 Any antenna that is of the same type and of equal of less gain 
 directional gain as an antenna that is authorized with the intentional 
 radiator may be marketed with, and used with, that intentional radiator.
 
 No retesting of this system configuration is required. The marketing or 
 use of a system configuration that employs an antenna of a different 
 type, or that operates at a higher gain, than the antenna authorized 
 with the intentional radiator is not permitted unless the procedures 
 specified in S2.1043 of this chapter are followed.
 
 47 CFR 15.204(c)(3) says:
 
 Manufacturers shall supply a list of acceptable antenna types with the 
 application for equipment authorization of the intentional radiator.
 
 47 CFR 15.204(c)(1) says:
 
 The antenna type, as used in this paragraph, refers to antennas that 
 have similar in-band and out-of-band radiation patterns.
 
 I can see how the lab and TCB could conclude that WISPs can substitute 
 antennas per these regulations. If the manufacturer specifies a range of
 
 acceptable antenna types (not specific makes or model numbers) then per 
 15.204, the WISP can select the specific make and model of antenna to
 use.
 
 I know FCC regulations are often somewhat vague and however it's 
 possible that the FCC regulations may have been revised and loosened 
 slightly since your FCC visit. Perhaps there is now a basis for the
 myth.
 
 jack
 
 
 Patrick Leary wrote:
  Thanks Jack. I know what they are going to say (that I am correct),
 but
  it is something that has to be repeated often since the myth is so
  persistent.
 
  Patrick Leary
  AVP, Market Development
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  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of Jack Unger
  Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:43 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification
 
  Patrick,
 
  In an attempt to get an up-to-date interpretation on this point, I
 just 
  emailed the Certification Lab that I work with to get their 
  interpretation of this rule.
 
  I'll post their answer as soon as I receive it in the next few days.
 
  jack
 
 
  Patrick Leary wrote:

  Mike, 
 
  You are right, but you, as an operator, cannot make the choice or
  
  decide

  on your own what antenna toi uses, even if it has similar propagation
  patterns and a lower dBi. The FCC still requires the burden to be on
  
  the

  manufacturers to add antennas, it just does not make us go through
 the
  wringer now for every change. I do not know how many times I have to
  explain this on the various lists, but 

Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell/setup webcams with their wireless service?

2007-09-19 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 10:08 -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
 Just looking for suggestions.  Would like to offer a simple indoor
 webcam we can sell preconfigured to new wireless customers.  This is a
 new reason for those with second homes to buy our year round service
 for them.  Any camera suggestions?  we're looking at panasonic BL-C30A
 for this use.  Any cautions or encouragements for adding this to our
 menu of offerings?  Appreciate your feedback!
 
along the same lines, I am not sure what your climate is like but: 
http://www.qasupplies.com/temptrax.html
(think frozen pipes)

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Re: [WISPA] IP Assignments

2007-09-12 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 15:27 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
 Mike Hammett wrote:
  I'm not sure when it was changed, but you need one less bit of address 
  space to get your own, direct allocation.
  
  http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222
  
  You now only need two /24s to request your own /22 from Arin.
  
 If you are multi-homed you can request a /24 immediately.
I thought that proposed policy was rejected.  I thought the smallest
was /22

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Re: [WISPA] OT: rural WISP testers needed

2007-09-10 Thread Ryan Langseth

Patrick,

What do you have for more information.  I would be interested in it. I 
just need to run it past Phil and Dave.


Thanks,

Ryan

Patrick Leary wrote:

Hi folks,

We are looking for a handful of WISPs to do some product testing on an
entirely new WISP multipoint product line from Alvarion. You need not be
a current Alvarion WISP (and this is not intended for those with
BreezeACCESS VL networks). The line is intended for the most cost
sensitive markets, especially on the residential side. No big strings
attached, but testers would be required to provide detailed feedback on
performance as well as overall value. I am looking for testers who are
in deep rural areas and I am interested in a sampling which could
include U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Please contact me OFFLIST, but
only if you are serious. I can't offer more detail on the product in
this mail, but the whole WISP market will know about it in short order.

Again, please reach out offlist.

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RE: [WISPA] Amps

2007-09-07 Thread Ryan Langseth
I agree with Scottie,  great info thanks.

Ryan

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Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles

2007-09-04 Thread Ryan Langseth
Since you are on their network, I would simply relay the email  
through their server,  the lookup will be sent through for server  
which should have a proper rDNS, you may need to set an SPF record  
for the mail server, but that should work  ( I have done it like that  
on a dynamic IP before)



On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jason wrote:

I was afraid of that.  These satellite guys are kind of like an  
onion.  There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to  
work with or where to go.


The ip address space is owned by a company that is three or four  
layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on  
the other end).


Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)?  I  
hate to get that cheesy anyway


Can you tell I'm desperate?!

Jason

Mark Nash wrote:
You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space,  
probably your immediate upstream provider. Mark Nash  
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Gang, I have started having trouble with my customers email  
getting bounced because other servers are checking the reverse  
dns, which fails to resolve to my domain because my network is  
served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural). Does  
anyone know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my  
upstream they need to change it to resolve to my domain (which  
may be hard to get to happen.). If I have to work with my  
upstream, how should I go about this / approach it. FYI, they are  
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Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions

2007-08-29 Thread Ryan Langseth
While I would free comfortable building my own servers (the OS setup  
is custom). I buy hardware from Dell.  Its solid server equipment and  
very easy to work with.


I would recommend checking into buying servers prebuilt.  While  
building your own seems to be cheaper.  there are numerous added  
benefits features that are found by buying prebuilt.


I would suggest looking at getting a vendor account with dell, you  
can gain some discounts.  The design of Dells rackmount hardware is  
terrific.  Almost Hot Swap everything, tool-less (quick to replace  
something if you need to do it as down time),  smart systems to  
handle cooling,  remote management cards, and clear upgrade paths.
Do not buy 1U imo, its expensive and you only gain 1U and an  
unupgradeable server.  Plan your systems to last 3-5 years.   Look at  
using some virtualization software, in the long run it will be  
helpful, there are numerous free versions.


If you buy rack mount hardware make sure to look at the mounting  
rails, Dell's rails are the best I have seen.


I would suggest buying a square hole rack.  they are the most  
flexible for mounting methods.


Remember to look at how you are going to run cables, you will have  
more than you expect.


Don't forget room for backup power / batteries.

Find a generator that can be powered by dual fuel (propane / Diesel)

If you plan on building a data center to support sell space to  
business, look at cages. and a method for 24 hour access.


Depending on how many servers you are planning on buying, and if you  
buy from a vendor. See what you can get for free from them.


There is a good chapter in Oreilly's Network Warrior about power  
and cooling planning.


As for the OS:
1) centralize the following
  - Logging (syslog)
  - Authentication (AAA)
  - Security (tripwire)
2) Look at putting config files in revision control  (will make it  
easy to reverse changes)

3) Do not make Backup systems an afterthought
4) Design it with two networks (management and external)
5) Document everything,  I would suggest having a Ticketing system in  
place for any change that gets made, nothing gets changed without a  
Ticket, even if you are the only person that makes changes.
6) Trending,  anything that can be monitored, do it. Troubleshooting  
is much easier if you know what has changed.


Debian is by far my favorite choice of distros. FreeBSD/OpenBSD is  
great for firewalls with pf and carp for redundancy. Ubuntu LTS  
server for anything I that I need more up to date software.  Fedora  
has Red Hat's Directory Server (with an excellent management interface)


Again, Documentation is going to be your best friend

Hope that helps,
Ryan

On Aug 29, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Jory Privett wrote:

You can get racks from lots of places.  I would check with  
someplace local since shipping them can get expensive. For  
rackmount cases any good PC parts retailer should have them from 1U  
up to match any configuration you might want.  I would suggest  
getting something with a common power supply.  Some of the smaller  
units have custom ones that are not readily available if it dies.


I run all of my server on the AMD platform and have for over 7  
years now.  I still have a couple of my original servers in  
production and they still perform well for their job.  Compared  
against the Intel  they perform just as well and are much cheaper.   
For Disk drives I would suggest Seagate or Western Digital,  I am  
not a fan of anything else out there.  Asus makes a good product  
but so does Gigabyte, MSI, and any other main stream manufacturer.


For the OS I would run Debian.  It is very flexible and secure and  
has lots of packages available.   It is simple to install BIND for  
DNS, FreeRadius for AAA, Freeside for billing, and Cacti for  
monitoring/graphing and all of the background apps that are  
required.  FreeBSD and Fedora are also very popular.


Jory Privett
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Hi Gang!

I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.

I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.

I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.

My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.

Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.

If appropriate, you may contact me of list.

Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural 

Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions

2007-08-29 Thread Ryan Langseth
I agree get a server motherboard, both tyan and supermicro make good  
server level boards (I prefer supermicro)  they come with options for  
ipmi management and other excellent features.


Ryan

On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:


A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.

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Hi Gang!

I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.

I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.

I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.

My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.

Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.

If appropriate, you may contact me of list.

Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
3430 Highway 49
Dover TN  37058

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Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz antennas

2007-08-24 Thread Ryan Langseth
We have two towns deployed with 3 of the TR-24H-120-16 without  
problems.  Both towers are grain elevators. the one is only about 80  
feet, and we have one customer over 10 miles out.   The other  
location has alot of trees in full leaf and it is working great even  
with 15db CPEs.


Both locations are 100% tranzeo, APs and CPEs.  (Actually there is 1  
200mw prism bridge on one, but that is temporary)


Both of those towns are fed mainly with tranzeo PTP links also.  We  
are seeing very good speeds, although customer usage is also very low  
at this point.


We have had both towers deployed since June, without any issues.

Ryan

On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:41 PM, J. Vogel wrote:


I have a couple of the TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4
antennas in service for a few
months, so far I am very happy with them. They look to be well built
and are performing to expectation. I haven't had them long enough to
give a full recommendation, but so far real good.


Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

Anyone have any experience with Tranzeo's TR-24H-120-16
Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 or TR-24H-120-13 sector antennas?
Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4

thanks,

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[WISPA] Potential Wireless Access Point converted to a Home

2007-08-23 Thread Ryan Langseth

Way too many steps:

http://materialicio.us/2007/08/22/converted-water-tower-zecc-architechten/

;)


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Re: [WISPA] speedtest

2007-08-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
Travis,

Yea, we actually host one of their public speedtest.net sites (Grand
Forks ND),  the only requirement from them is you have at least 40 mb
upload.  The most popular locations see a max of 10 mb/s usage, in
bursts.  You can also get some interesting reporting (IPs and speeds)
from them when you host a site for them. With hosting their public one,
its free.

Ryan



On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:19 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I recently found a very cool, fairly accurate web-based speed test 
 program. You can get a trial version off their website at 
 speedtest.net. It's Flash based (on the client side only) and runs very 
 well under linux and apache. The catch is they want $400 PER YEAR for 
 this program. Has anyone seen something similiar for less (or even a 
 one-time cost)?
 
 We have two other free ones (a Java based one) and another that does 
 download only already installed... but this Flash one seems to be the 
 most accurate, and also does upload tests.
 
 thanks,
 
 Travis
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Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

2007-08-15 Thread Ryan Langseth
Can these be easily used with gloves on? If so, I will probably look  
at getting some of these and a couple of the crimpers for winter,   
last winter we had to replace a link in -20 F with a nasty wind we  
were barely able to get it done in the cold.


Ryan

On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:52 PM, George Rogato wrote:


Funny, I can do them both in about the same time.

George

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Time George, time.
I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time  
that it takes the old way.

And I NEVER have to redo them.
Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my  
sanity are worth it!
And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector  
costs for years.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers

I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive.

Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right.  
Why ay more if you don't have to?


George

Mike Hammett wrote:
The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA  
sometimes.  What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use?   
The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order  
(and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc.


That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some  
shielded cable.  I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for  
shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well.



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Re: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT

2007-08-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
We are really close to having one of our first bigger accounts with VL,
6 U/D and some advanced services with it (BGP and some other redunancy
services). Its not a big bandwidth piece, but we are filling a void in
our area. It will be interesting to see where it goes. :)

Ryan

On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 21:24 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 Coolness.  I'm probably only a month away from ordering my first batch of 
 VL.  Looking forward to it.
 
 You still thinking of coming up here next month?  I sent an off list note 
 but I don't think you are getting them from me.
 
 laters,
 marlon
 
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 You do have major price drops through the COMNET program (sub $300 VL
 CPE for the CPE that lists for $995), resulting in MUCH more humble
 margins. Remember that that gross is across all product sets, to include
 BreezeMAX and right now, since operators are just now building out, the
 numbers reflect a strong mix of infrastructure relative to CPE.
 
 -  Patrick
 
 
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 yeah, looks like a dang good reason for some price drops to me!  lol
 marlon
 
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  Congrats Patrick.
 
  Gross margin of 51%
 
  I wish I could do that on this end. LOL.
 
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 Just a note of appreciation to all our customers for enabling us to
 report an excellent Q2 quarterly report today, which beat the street
 estimates. Highlights include:
 
 - Record revenues of $57.5 million, up 31% from Q2 2006;
 - Record BreezeMAX(TM) revenues of $27.9 million;
 - Gross margin of 51%;
 - Non-GAAP EPS of $0.03; GAAP EPS of $0.00;
 - Commercial WiMAX deployments of 170, up from 150 in Q1
 - About 40 802.16e mobile WiMAX trials (about 2x claimed by any
 competitor)
 - Major new ecosystem partners such as Bridgewater and Arraycom (for
 beamforming)
 - Positive operating cash flow of $2.6 million, growing cash to about
 $122M
 - Revising Y over Y growth to 25-30%
 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070801/20070731006573.html?.v=1
 
 And more central to the WISP front, one of the other up surprises is
 that our non-WiMAX business continued to grow, thanks mostly in part
 to
 our North American BreezeACCESS VL and BreezeNET B100 customers. I
 want
 WISPs to know that even with the heavy investments on the WiMAX side,
 we
 continue to invest in our UL solutions and we consider our work on the
 unlicensed front as a major part of our business.
 
 In the near term this means you already place orders for 5.4 GHz
 BreezeACCESS VL, as well as 5.3 GHz and of course 5.8 GHz. We hope to
 bring you other bands for unlicensed in the not-to-distant future as
 well.
 
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[WISPA] Purcell Rac 35

2007-08-08 Thread Ryan Langseth
Does anyone have a sale contact for Purcell enclosures,  I have a Rac 35
that I would like to get an AC unit for, I have been unsuccessful in
getting ahold of someone within Purcell.  Email me off-list.


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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-07 Thread Ryan Langseth
Honestly to find a cell phone or single device that is the prefect
sysadmin device is a pipe dream imo. 

Here is one more thing for you to look at though.
http://www.oqo.com/products/model02/features.html

The price may make you jump though.

Ryan

On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:37 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
 Mac Dearman wrote:
  A real life example would be sitting at the ball park - NMS sends a text
  that whatever is down - pick up the cell phone telnet into the whatever
  device and take care of business. Surely you can see the simplicity in what
  we are looking for, but for some reason you feel the need to do whatever it
  is that you are doing with this thread.
 

 I don't see the simplicity at all. If you want to reboot a device 
 remotely from a cell phone then I can see the simplicity and point you 
 to a cheap solution. If you want to managed a variety of different 
 devices with a variety of management interfaces and be able to manage 
 every part of them then I don't see any simplicity. The difference 
 between the former and the later is the discreteness of the task.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!

2007-08-07 Thread Ryan Langseth
I am going to go off-topic here a little with a story.

I have been working for InvisiMax for a little over a year now.  I do
not know who knows the history of this company for the last 1.5 years
but we are just finishing up going through a very rough stage in the
companies existence. Six months before I was hired one of the partners
and System Admin/Designer/RD guy was rushed to the ER with heart
failure.  While he survived the rush to the ER, he was diagnosed with
cancer.  

For six months, the network was without an Admin.  There were numerous
issues that existed, BGP problems, failing hardware, bad CPEs.  One of
the worse things was ZERO documentation.  Much of our network is a
proprietary system, developed by the RD guy.  

My first year of working for InvisiMax was 110% firefighting, and long
hours understanding the network.  Now, we have pushed past these issues
and are on a path moving forward.  But, still one lingering issue exist,
and that is where vital information is locked away ... in my head now.
While I have pushed alot of information on to our Operation Manager,
there is still some of the high level stuff that he would not
understand.

So how does this relate?  The Major issue for InvisiMax was knowledge
and the fact that it did not exist anywhere but in someone's head.  From
the sounds of it certain things on your network exist in the same
manner.  I suggest fixing that problem first. Get documentation started
for everything you do on a daily basis, any network issue that happens,
write down the cause, the effect, the diagnosis, and the fix.  Get one
of the other people working for you to read and understand the problems,
and the common diagnostics that can be done(don't forget to given them a
reason to want to do this, $$$ or other benefit).  This is where I am at
now, any thing I have learned to setup, is getting written down in an
internal wiki,  I am redeveloping our ticketing system to force me to
write fixes down, cause otherwise laziness will get the best of my
efforts.

Once you have this, a plain old voice plan cell phone is what you will
need.  If a problem arises, while you are out, have that documentation
and the person on the other end of the call be your smart phone.  With
the proper documentation most problems should be fixable remotely this
way. And with someone else understanding your network, you will sleep
better at night ... I know I am starting to.

And in the long run, if I ever decided to move on, or The Bus catches
me, things will continue to be fine, and the next person that manages my
network will not have the struggle I did.

Ryan

On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:29 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote:
 David E. Smith wrote:
  I refuse to tether myself to my job. I've done that over the last few 
  years, and I'm not doing it any longer. I do accept, though, that 
  there are some things that, out of the eight or so employees working 
  under my boss, I'm the only one who knows them. The ability to fix 
  things remotely is essential to our business and to my sanity. (Fun 
  fact: I value the second of those much more highly than the first.) As 
  much as I'd love to be completely incommunicado for a few days here 
  and there, it's not practical; I believe this has the potential to be 
  a viable substitute.
 
 First, you suggest that you are looking for a device of certain 
 requirements. Now you suggest that the device is essential to your 
 business. Yet, you don't even know if such a device exists. I continue 
 to think you are attempting to solve the wrong problem. What device is 
 going to save your business when you get hit by bus (in a metaphorical 
 sense).
 
  You claim it doesn't exist; I'm still in a blissful state of doubt and 
  confusion. Hence my original question about what handhelds will work 
  with SSH the way I need 'em to. :)
 
 I believe at lease one other person referred to your desire as a pipe dream.
  Geez, where do you live? Sounds like the data service is even worse 
  than here, and that's pretty hard to come by. :P
 
 I live in Atlanta where the data service is actually quite fast. The 
 problem with cell phones is not the speed of the data service though.
  My copy of Opera Mini on a two-year-old Sprint phone that I picked up 
  used on eBay for a hundred bucks works better than yours, at least 
  from your description.
 
 Have you tried such common tasks as getting directions or checking movie 
 times? I am sure if you set up a proper test with two people --one using 
 a cell phone browser and the other making a cell phone call-- the phone 
 call will win hands down.
  Is this a statement of I've used SSH and found it wanting, or I 
  haven't done this but I don't think it'd work?
 
 Of course I have used SSH. That was one of the applications I was 
 planning on using when I bought the phone. I have since learned my lesson.
 
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Re: [WISPA] canopy backhaul

2007-08-02 Thread Ryan Langseth
IF you mean the PTP series, we have many of them installed, they are
pretty rock solid.  The issues we have had with them are:

1) At one of our tower locations we have 4 of them installed, every once
in a while their spectrum analysis (finding a clean channel) and DFS
will play havoc with each other one will switch channel and the rest
cascade changing channels. During this time the bitrate drops.  This is
solvable by either blocking channels, or manually setting the channel
for the link.

2) I had a power supply for one die last weekend,  not sure what caused
this to happen yet.

3) The company I work for started installing them before I started with
them.  When they started with the link distance capabilities of the
integrated links were exaggerated, so we have some at distances that
caused some issues, this was a failure on the company we bought them
from, not the equipment.  


Ryan

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 09:44 -0400, chris cooper wrote:
 
 Anyone have opinions good or bad regarding canopy backhauls?
 Reliability and uptime?
 
 Thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Quick Apache Help

2007-08-01 Thread Ryan Langseth
Can you post your config too?

Ryan

On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:59 -0400, Carl A jeptha wrote:
 My web guy is in hospital - long story short - getting an error and need 
 to bring up sites right now. What do i know about apache, about the same 
 as I'm being paid - zero. :-)
 I need to do this like yesterday? So I am on a very sharp learning 
 curve.
 Here's an error I'm getting:
 Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart ..
 
 Stopping httpd: [  OK  ]
 Starting httpd: [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost 
 www.goldenbeachestates.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost 
 www.cobourgyachtclub.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a 
 NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.trussworthy.ca:80 overlaps 
 with VirtualHost www.goldenbeachestates.ca:80, the first has precedence, 
 perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.cayita.com:80 overlaps with 
 VirtualHost www.trussworthy.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need 
 a NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.fbparch.com:80 overlaps 
 with VirtualHost www.cayita.com:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you 
 need a NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.castleton.ca:80 overlaps 
 with VirtualHost www.fbparch.com:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you 
 need a NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.isowall.ca:80 overlaps with 
 VirtualHost www.castleton.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a 
 NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.hamiltontownship.ca:80 
 overlaps with VirtualHost www.isowall.ca:80, the first has precedence, 
 perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive
 [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
 [  OK  ]
 
 I don't know what it means
 
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Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-25 Thread Ryan Langseth
I am by no means a RF guy, I am still figuring out that side of being  
a wisp myself.  The one question I have is; could the interference be  
through the LMR?


Ryan

On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I thought about that.  But then it's too hard to change channels.   
There are other operators in the area and I need the ability to  
change things around as needed.

marlon

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference



Look into some high Q cavity filters.



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Hi All,

I just completely rebuilt a tower site.  It had inconsistent  
speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around.


When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it.

On this tower I had an omni at about 25' (the hill is 700 feet  
over the valley) and a 15dB integrated Tranzeo ap at about 15'.


Omni was vertical, sector was horizontal.

I rented a manlift and put an hpol maxrad wisp series 120*  
adjustable beam sector at about 45', a vertical at 37ish and  
another horizontal at about 30. All antennas are also 6 to 8'  
horizontally separated.  Each on a standoff attached to the  
different legs of the tower.


All antennas are fed with lmr600 and the radios are right beside  
each other at the base of the tower (I'm too chicken to climb so  
the radios stay where I can get to them).


Here's my problem, with all of the radios on and transmitting the  
speeds are worse than before for most customers.


The sector to the west has 2 customers and sits at the 30' level  
and is hpol.  Those two customers get around 4 megs down and up.


The sector to the north east is vertical and a customer at 10ish  
miles gets .7 to 1.5 megs down and .25 to .5 up.


The sector to the south east is hpol and sits at the 45 or 50'  
level. Customers get .6 to 1.5 down and .1 to .5 up.


Unplug any two radios and speeds hit the 2 to 3 meg, sometimes 4  
meg speed for all customers on that system.  Plug the other one  
back in and speeds drop back down.


The hpol maxrad antennas have a 30dB fb ratio.  I've not yet  
looked at the patterns lately, as I recall they are pretty good  
though.  APs are Teletronics 11-152s with metal cases.


I've had GREAT luck with ALL of these components at other sites.   
Just never all at the same time and place like this.  As most of  
you know, most of my coverage areas are VERY low density so I  
tend to use a lot of omni antennas, or am mounted on hills that  
have no coverage behind them so only one or two sectors are used.


The two systems that interfere with each other the most are north  
east and south east.  One's hpol one's vpol.  They are on channel  
1 and 9.


To get things working MUCH better than they were before, I've  
replaced the north east and south east radios with Tranzeo ap's.   
I also moved the southeast antenna (actually put up a new one)  
back down to the roof of the shack.  It's also a Tranzeo ap now.   
It, however, now sits in front of, though much lower than the  
west antenna, both are hpol though.  If the channels are anywhere  
near the same for west and southeast the folks to the west get  
really slow speeds.


I also moved the antennas on the tower further apart, they are  
now at least 5 or 6 feet apart from each other.  I don't know how  
much that helped as I changed one of the radios to a Tranzeo at  
that same time. This helped but didn't fix the speed and  
consistency problem.  That's when I moved the south east system  
back down where I could more easily get to it.


Things still aren't as consistent as they need to be.  If one  
system gets busy the others slow down.  Any ideas?  My first  
thought is to try a REALLY high end access point or two.  You'd  
think those systems could sit side beside when using channels so  
far apart from each other.  It's like the new radios are soo  
sensitive that they will pick up the noise close to them no  
matter what.  OR, more likely, that the new, cheaper, gear has  
really really sensitive radios but with rotten side band  
isolation on both tx and rx.


Any ideas?  Radios/antennas to try?  Changing the radios is easy.  
Getting a manlift back out to change the antennas will suck big  
time (due to the stand offs it would be too hard/dangerous to  
change antennas from the tower).


thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-25 Thread Ryan Langseth
I just realized I phrased that poorly, could the interference be  
radiating from the LMR rather than across the radios or antennas?


On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Ryan Langseth wrote:

I am by no means a RF guy, I am still figuring out that side of  
being a wisp myself.  The one question I have is; could the  
interference be through the LMR?


Ryan

On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

I thought about that.  But then it's too hard to change channels.   
There are other operators in the area and I need the ability to  
change things around as needed.

marlon

- Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference



Look into some high Q cavity filters.



Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

Hi All,

I just completely rebuilt a tower site.  It had inconsistent  
speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around.


When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it.

On this tower I had an omni at about 25' (the hill is 700 feet  
over the valley) and a 15dB integrated Tranzeo ap at about 15'.


Omni was vertical, sector was horizontal.

I rented a manlift and put an hpol maxrad wisp series 120*  
adjustable beam sector at about 45', a vertical at 37ish and  
another horizontal at about 30. All antennas are also 6 to 8'  
horizontally separated.  Each on a standoff attached to the  
different legs of the tower.


All antennas are fed with lmr600 and the radios are right beside  
each other at the base of the tower (I'm too chicken to climb so  
the radios stay where I can get to them).


Here's my problem, with all of the radios on and transmitting  
the speeds are worse than before for most customers.


The sector to the west has 2 customers and sits at the 30' level  
and is hpol.  Those two customers get around 4 megs down and up.


The sector to the north east is vertical and a customer at 10ish  
miles gets .7 to 1.5 megs down and .25 to .5 up.


The sector to the south east is hpol and sits at the 45 or 50'  
level. Customers get .6 to 1.5 down and .1 to .5 up.


Unplug any two radios and speeds hit the 2 to 3 meg, sometimes 4  
meg speed for all customers on that system.  Plug the other one  
back in and speeds drop back down.


The hpol maxrad antennas have a 30dB fb ratio.  I've not yet  
looked at the patterns lately, as I recall they are pretty good  
though.  APs are Teletronics 11-152s with metal cases.


I've had GREAT luck with ALL of these components at other  
sites.  Just never all at the same time and place like this.  As  
most of you know, most of my coverage areas are VERY low density  
so I tend to use a lot of omni antennas, or am mounted on hills  
that have no coverage behind them so only one or two sectors are  
used.


The two systems that interfere with each other the most are  
north east and south east.  One's hpol one's vpol.  They are on  
channel 1 and 9.


To get things working MUCH better than they were before, I've  
replaced the north east and south east radios with Tranzeo  
ap's.  I also moved the southeast antenna (actually put up a new  
one) back down to the roof of the shack.  It's also a Tranzeo ap  
now.  It, however, now sits in front of, though much lower than  
the west antenna, both are hpol though.  If the channels are  
anywhere near the same for west and southeast the folks to the  
west get really slow speeds.


I also moved the antennas on the tower further apart, they are  
now at least 5 or 6 feet apart from each other.  I don't know  
how much that helped as I changed one of the radios to a Tranzeo  
at that same time. This helped but didn't fix the speed and  
consistency problem.  That's when I moved the south east system  
back down where I could more easily get to it.


Things still aren't as consistent as they need to be.  If one  
system gets busy the others slow down.  Any ideas?  My first  
thought is to try a REALLY high end access point or two.  You'd  
think those systems could sit side beside when using channels so  
far apart from each other.  It's like the new radios are soo  
sensitive that they will pick up the noise close to them no  
matter what.  OR, more likely, that the new, cheaper, gear has  
really really sensitive radios but with rotten side band  
isolation on both tx and rx.


Any ideas?  Radios/antennas to try?  Changing the radios is  
easy. Getting a manlift back out to change the antennas will  
suck big time (due to the stand offs it would be too hard/ 
dangerous to change antennas from the tower).


thanks,
marlon

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Re: [WISPA] RB 133c

2007-07-20 Thread Ryan Langseth

Out of curiousity what is Super Cheap with an rb setup like this?

Ryan

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

6 meg would do.  I would install a higher cpu unit later.

Brian

JohnnyO wrote:
Don't use 133s for backhauls. You will NOT get 12meg-15meg We have 
a 133 in place that is at 100% CPU utilization at 6meg with very very 
little else going on other then traffic.


JohnnyO

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12-15 meg..  depending on rules, connection tracking off may get you 
more.



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Hey Guys,
I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls.  How much traffic 
could
I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a level 3 
or 4

lic?

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Re: [WISPA] Ping

2007-07-17 Thread Ryan Langseth

Larry Yunker wrote:

Ping?

Pong



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[WISPA] 5 Ghz - Avoiding RADAR

2007-06-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Resending, not sure if it made it out.

We recently deployed a link close to a Air Force Base.  The link is a  
5GHz (802.11a),  while it  supports DFS, I would like to avoid having  
the link going to sleep for obvious reasons,  from what I have read  
the 5.8 range does not need to support DFS, is this correct, or does  
the whole unlicensed 5GHz range need to support it?  What is the  
freq. range that does not need to avoid RADAR?


Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] 5 Ghz - Avoiding RADAR

2007-06-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 11:16 -0500, David E. Smith wrote:
 Ryan Langseth wrote:
  We recently deployed a link close to a Air Force Base.  The link is a  
  5GHz (802.11a),  while it  supports DFS, I would like to avoid having  
  the link going to sleep for obvious reasons,  from what I have read  
  the 5.8 range does not need to support DFS, is this correct, or does  
  the whole unlicensed 5GHz range need to support it?  What is the  
  freq. range that does not need to avoid RADAR?
 
 How close is close to an Air Force base? I've always been kinda
 curious as to just how big the scope of the DFS stuff is. I'm about
 fifty miles from one, and while I'm not presently using any gear that
 would require DFS, I can't help but wonder how much (if any) impact
 there would be if ever I did move into those middle bands.
 
The link runs east and west, and is about 6 miles. The east endpoint is
1.3 miles directly south of their radar domes according to google
earth.  

I have seen a few events on the link,  and It did go down once,
although I was not able to verify the radar events were the reason.

Here are the events on the east endpoint so far
Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event   Current Status
124 2   1.49 days   Available
120 1   1.50 days   Available
116 1   1.51 days   Available

I have not seen any on the west endpoint yet.
 
 Anyway, if you're in the 5.8GHz range, you should be okay. DFS is
 required for the lower stuff: 5150-5350 and 5470-5725. The unlicensed
 5.8GHz band should be exempt from this.

Good, I have moved the link to  5.825 GHz already, so hopefully this
will fix the problem.


Ryan


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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: North Dakota]

2007-06-19 Thread Ryan Langseth

Rick Harnish wrote:

John and Frannie,

We do not have any subscribers to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.  I
sure don't ever recall hearing from an operator up there.  I'm going to post
this to the isp-wireless list as well.  Maybe there is an North Dakota
operator on that list.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA



We are in ND ( and MN ) right along the border

Ryan


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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:18 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: North Dakota]

Anyone out there a WISP in North Dakota? If yes then please send an 
email off to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frannie is a great gal 
and she can help you to help WISPs and our customers with legislative 
efforts. If you make contact please let us know what work you guys do 
together.

Many thanks,
Scriv


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Date:   Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:47:49 -0400
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi John,

Do you have any WISPs in North Dakota who are members of WISPA?

Hope you're doing well!!

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[WISPA] Windows Network configuration tool

2007-06-12 Thread Ryan Langseth

Here is a tool you all might find useful:

http://netprofiles.danielmilner.com/

With Net Profiles, mobile computing becomes a whole lot easier. It 
eliminates the need to manually reconfigure your network settings when 
you move your desktop/laptop computer to another location. Once a 
profile is created, Net Profiles can configure your IP settings, proxy 
settings, mapped drives, default printer, wallpaper, and screen 
resolution with a click of a button; as well as run any number of 
user-defined applications upon activation of a profile.


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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-11 Thread Ryan Langseth
Michael,

This is the first time I have gotten into this subject, and the last.
As I said, I have seen this same thing come up at least a dozen time on
this list.  While I did say how long I have been on this list, my time
in the industry is only about a month longer.  Its always the same
thing, it goes round and round with people getting angry.  

I don't run MT,  I was merely trying to point out the major differences,
imho, between a PC (win32) with a wireless adapter, and MT with a
wireless adapter. 

Do you think those pci card manufacturers have certified the card with a
bigger antenna than it shipped with? I highly doubt it. Once that is
changed, the card would no longer be a certified module.

I made one comment in this entire thread, which I am already regretting.
I hardly consider that vocal.

My comment was not meant to be sarcastic, I would like to see a ruling
on it one way or another, but I am not going to run around trying to get
it. Its not worth my time, I don't need to start working 70-hour weeks.

this thread  /dev/null,
Ryan

On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 02:20 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote:
 Ryan,
 
 A few of you are making a lot of noise.
 You seem to want to talk a lot about how MT is not certified and you say 
 but if it were...
 Ryan, Why haven't you and those so vocal gone to the FCC with this 
 question already?
 The FCC is but a telephone call away.
 http://www.fcc.gov/
 
 It never ceases to amaze me how men and women of obvious intelligence 
 will debate ad nasuiem
 about how some government agency will rule on some topic, but never will 
 they find the courage
 to simply call that agency and ask them.  Rather they will wait till 
 someone suggests it and then
 after all the debate and posturing, say, Yeah, Go ahead! You call them.
 
 What a joke.
 -m-
 
 Ryan Langseth wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 01:09 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote:

  Rick;
 
  I think that your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced.  
  I am perfectly comfortable with my opinion. And I did not get into an 
  argument, or even suggest one was somehow a good idea.
 
  That said, let me also say this.  If I don't have to have my router 
  boards certified without radios because they are not intentional 
  radiators, then when I add an FCC certified card to them I still don't 
  have to have them certified because they are still what they were.
 
  If you tell me that every PC running a pci wireless card has to be 
  certified then I'll go with suggesting that a single board computer, 
  which is designed to be a router, should also be certified like all 
  those PC's otherwise, Rick, I think that both you and Dawn are incorrect.
  
 
  1) drivers for the wireless card do not allow you to adjust power. 
  2) comes with a small rubber ducky ant, not a 15db sector.
 
  This discussion has come up on this list at probably least a dozen times
  since I have joined (less than a year ago). MT is not certified, end of
  chapter.  Ask MT they will, most likely, tell you the same thing. 
 

  Like I said, I think your opinion is like mine, both informed and 
  experienced.  I don't think you, or I, or Dawn, have the last word in 
  this matter and I'd be happy to take the issue up with the FCC to get a 
  reading from them.
 
  
 
  Do this, I would like to read the next chapter, if they can get
  certified though the PC method, I would take a look at their product.  
 
  Ryan
 
 

 

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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-10 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 01:09 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote:
 Rick;
 
 I think that your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced.  
 I am perfectly comfortable with my opinion. And I did not get into an 
 argument, or even suggest one was somehow a good idea.
 
 That said, let me also say this.  If I don't have to have my router 
 boards certified without radios because they are not intentional 
 radiators, then when I add an FCC certified card to them I still don't 
 have to have them certified because they are still what they were.
 
 If you tell me that every PC running a pci wireless card has to be 
 certified then I'll go with suggesting that a single board computer, 
 which is designed to be a router, should also be certified like all 
 those PC's otherwise, Rick, I think that both you and Dawn are incorrect.

1) drivers for the wireless card do not allow you to adjust power. 
2) comes with a small rubber ducky ant, not a 15db sector.

This discussion has come up on this list at probably least a dozen times
since I have joined (less than a year ago). MT is not certified, end of
chapter.  Ask MT they will, most likely, tell you the same thing. 

 
 Like I said, I think your opinion is like mine, both informed and 
 experienced.  I don't think you, or I, or Dawn, have the last word in 
 this matter and I'd be happy to take the issue up with the FCC to get a 
 reading from them.
 

Do this, I would like to read the next chapter, if they can get
certified though the PC method, I would take a look at their product.  

Ryan


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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly

2007-06-06 Thread Ryan Langseth
What firmware are you running,  there was a bug where it would not pass
traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware.

We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection
intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made
it work alot better.  I was pretty sure this problem is with the
distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told
us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a
link distance of 5 miles.

Ryan

On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote:
 Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs?
 
 We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't 
 pass all traffic.
 The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is 
 having problems.
 
 Anybody having similar issues?

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[WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries

2007-05-24 Thread Ryan Langseth
We are currently working on improving our inventory and infrastructure.
Currently we make a lot of our own cables, except for things like
pigtails, but we are looking at switching to premade cables for radio to
antenna jumpers and such.  What do you think of cables and connectors
from RF Industries?  Has anyone had problems with them? How about good
experiences?

Thanks,

Ryan

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[WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-24 Thread Ryan Langseth
With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,  
and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is  
anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?


Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for  
deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?


http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to- 
migrate-to-ipv6.html


Have a great evening,

Ryan
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[WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition

2007-05-18 Thread Ryan Langseth
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html

Ryan

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Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list

2007-05-17 Thread Ryan Langseth

Zack Kneisley wrote:

Jack,

Actually,  that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I
have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a
signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it
checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and
another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my
signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I
don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't.

This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest
way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in
place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler
back then hu? lol

I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than
One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be
done accordance with this lists rules.

Zack


That is alot of email accounts.  I limit myself to two accounts that I 
actively check. My work account and my personal account.  If I have a 
list I am involved in, I filter by the list-id header.  If I am 
signing up for something I use the the email address tagging (rfc 2822) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Those two features plus some filter rules 
works really nice to keep my inbox clean.  There are a few sites that, 
do not like the + sign, those are generally spammy site and I dump 
them to a throwaway account.  btw, gmail does support the +tag.


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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan Langseth
I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I 
believe it will handle word docs properly.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need to 
be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get 
left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality on 
one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up 
this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing

2007-05-16 Thread Ryan Langseth
Subversion is a Revision Control System, used by Code monkeys (software 
developers) to store code.  Its pretty good at fixing conflicts in text 
documents.


I did some googling, it does not work as as well for word documents 
conflicts since they are binary data.  Conflicts happen when the 
document changes more than expected between developers.  If you do not 
expect much parallel changes to the documents it would probably work fine.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

OK, what is that?

Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant  grin

I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the 
trick for us.  And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it.


Any and all help would be much appreciated.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing


I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. 
I believe it will handle word docs properly.



Ryan

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online.  We need 
to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap 
or get left off.


We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements 
we're unable to do that now.  We have to have the same functionality 
on one of our servers.  Anyone know how to get one of the machines 
set up this way?


The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site.

thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





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RE: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device

2007-05-15 Thread Ryan Langseth

Here are the list of things I would do.

1) netflow
You can get some good information from netflow.  It will track each
connection and the amount of data pulled.  Your routers need to support it.
You can do this one with open source tools or with a commercial product.
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/08/18/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/10/27/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
This can provide you with a wealth of information.  With proper reporting
you can tell who uses the most bandwidth, what is the popular protocols, who
sent the most email, etc.  

2) Snort
I am not too familiar with snort, at my last job they used it on the
internal network to detect infected student laptops.  It was about 2500+
students, and a pretty hefty machine to digest all the data.  This is
another one that can be built As an open source system or you can probably
find an appliance.

As far as making Snort automatically block that, may take some work.
Although I am sure it has the ability to respond to specific traffic, I am
not familiar with it enough to say how easy it is to setup.

Rather than having an automated system, you could have a CSR call the
customers (not sure what your customer base is, so I can't say how feasible
it is) that are infected and notify them that way,  if you have the proper
process you could even guide them through the cleanup. Its another source of
revenue, or at least lets your customers hear from you once in a while.

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device

Is there any device on the market that would monitor that would sit
between my network and my internet feed and do this:
1-monitor customer traffic
2-identify problematic traffic(malware,storms, ect)
3- Redirect those customers to a Cleanup portal

Or can it be developed with the current open source tools?
(nagios,Ntop,snort)?

Gino A. Villarini
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular

2007-05-11 Thread Ryan Langseth


On May 11, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Pete Davis wrote:

The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on  
the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem,  
its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me.

The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo.

Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data  
card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other  
Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work.
I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box  
to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or  
Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI  
client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS,  
access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy  
enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the  
car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well  
as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls,  
as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data  
connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to  
do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes.  
I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but  
the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze  
don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO.


Its not mikrotik or starOS, but it is linux:
http://www.stompboxnetworks.com/

there are some similar commercial versions of it too.


Ryan

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Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions

2007-05-10 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:37 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
 Marlon,
 
 I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about 
 question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open 
 access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access 
 point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if 
 the LEA is only allowed to receive the data requested in the subpoena 
 this would be a violation.

I asked a similar question in the Bear Hill webinar.  I had asked about
private IPs and how the request would be made to us, would it be an IP
or name, unfortunately it can be either one.  We would most likely need
to provide the data from that IP if that is how the request was made.
Now with a tap of a external IP of a private IP range, you would have to
provide the data from the inside of the network, so that they could
analyze it and determine what internal IP is the suspect.

I have only been working in this industry for a little under a year and
I have been amazed at the use of private IPs for customers.  We have
them setup here, in my opinion it cause more trouble than its worth  I
hope to move away from private IPs over the next year.  They will still
exist in our network for networking devices, but ideally no more
customers would get them.
 
 
 As far as I can tell question #15 does not get answered in the paragraph 
 following the question. It talks more about acceptable billing and the 
 fact that WISPA might have a solution in the future.
 
 One of the questions in section 23 asks Does the FBI speak for other 
 LEA's?. Unless I am mistaken this question does not get answered.
 
 Also the document says over and over again that the LEA's will work with 
 WISP's, which sounds like there is no easy way this can always be done 
 transparently with the current broadband equipment deployed by WISP's. 
 So the workaround is the WISP should give them the all the data from the 
 device in question and the LEA's will sort it out and separate it.
 
 If I am out of line please let me know but if I have questions about the 
 FAQ then I am guessing there are others that do too.
 
 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro

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[WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end

2007-05-04 Thread Ryan Langseth


Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent  
problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will  
experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of  
duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes  
per ping.


The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni.  the sectors  
are on 1, 6,  11 and the horizontal is on 1.  We are approximately
180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards.  I  
also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at  
107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the  
tower also.  The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I  
believe. It was put up before I started with the company.


The Access points are  bridges plugged into a switch and then into a  
router.


Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost  
always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading  
the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one  
customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers.  
The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s.


To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the  
one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except  
theirs.  I still saw alot of packet loss.



Can poor tower grounding cause this?  Is it something to do with the  
FM or Nortel equipment?  I really don't think it is the routing  
equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more  
through without an issue.



Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated.

Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end

2007-05-04 Thread Ryan Langseth


On May 4, 2007, at 1:20 AM, Ryan Langseth wrote:



Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent  
problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will  
experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts  
of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+  
dupes per ping.


The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni.  the  
sectors are on 1, 6,  11 and the horizontal is on 1.  We are  
approximately
180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards.  I  
also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower,  
at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment  
on the tower also.  The cat5 cable running up the tower is  
unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company.


The Access points are  bridges plugged into a switch and then into  
a router.


Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost  
always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were  
overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive  
duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch  
of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal,  
right around 2mb/s.



EDIT: This should have been packet duplicates, not packet loss.

To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the  
one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except  
theirs.  I still saw alot of packet loss.




That should have said I still saw alot of packet duplicates I was a  
little tired when I sent this.


Can poor tower grounding cause this?  Is it something to do with  
the FM or Nortel equipment?  I really don't think it is the routing  
equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push  
more through without an issue.



Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated.


Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?

2007-04-29 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Scrivner wrote:
 Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of 
 email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I 
 think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I 
 am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I 
 would like to hear feedback on this concept. 

I think limiting posts would be a last resort fix to the problem. 

Believe it or not, this is a common problem on almost all email lists.

The main problem is a lack of netiquette on this list. Good email
manners, would fix the problem.
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette  read Usenet and Email topics


This is a list of the common annoyances I see on this list, 

1) If you are replying to every message in a thread, STOP, Think, Let
others respond, read, then reply.
http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png

2) DON'T Start a new thread by hitting reply to the last message in
another thread and changing the Subject line. It is bad form, and will
show up wrong in the mailing list archives and some people's email
client (mine).  If you want to branch the subject prefix with your new
topic and was:  eg.  Email List Etiquette WAS: Posting Limits?
http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png

3) Remember this list is public, indexed by google.  What you post here,
much like MySpace it is going to be around for a very long time.  Also
remember this list is the public face of Wispa, if we want to _not_ be
treated like cowboys by others (Telcos, FCC, Govnmt, etc), don't act
like cowboys on the list.

4) DON'T troll.  Trolls look for fights, they argue for the sake of
arguing, they reduce conversations to personal attacks. 

One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645


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RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

2007-04-27 Thread Ryan Langseth
I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell
anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says
people lie.  Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things
like a AP at 25' versus a Microwave at 25'.  Ask the parents how many of
their kids care cell phones. Even go there with a sweep of the a large
spectrum of some area.  People that are worried about wifi poisoning
probably got the concern citizen look from some other source, (News
Media/tabloids, etc) and are oblivious how what else puts out
Radiation.

Ryan

On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 10:31 -0500, Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
 It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by
 those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and
 doubt.
 
 Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation,
 and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to prove
 that it isn't harmful.
 
 However, so is a lit match, and with a lot more electromagnetic radiation
 power than an access point...and, in fact, a flashlight, too.
 
 The exercise that some, as in the case study, go through to prove that
 the levels are safe just feed the FUD since no level is unsafe up closer to
 the levels found inside a kilowatt microwave oven, most of which leak more
 into a kitchen than an AP does at 1 foot and at the same frequency.
 
 It apparently cost Motorola millions to counter the mischief makers over
 cell phones who tried to bring it to its knees with pseudo-scientific mumbo
 jumbo that got lots of press.
 
 It doesn't appear that any satisfactory response can be mounted to those who
 use these techniques...except time...time as taken by the coffee industry
 when the nut cases finally gave up and the power industry who are on the
 back side, now, of the power-line problem.
 
 . . . j o n a t h a n
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Peter R.
 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
 
 Smith, Rick wrote:
 
 I plan to use an FCC Certified solution.  That's not the issue.  The
 issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to
 radio  strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful
 ?
 
 isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ?
   
 
 No standard FCC doc on this.
 
 There was a alarge study done in the UK recently.
 (Google would be your friend)
 http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml
 http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm
 www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pd
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 www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf -
 
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Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring and Graphing

2007-04-25 Thread Ryan Langseth
Nagios for notifications and cacti for graphing.

I am also looking at a pretty nice oss project called zenoss. It has
auto discovery, graphing and notifications. It also does some asset
tracking and other features.  I have not spent alot of time with it yet,
but I did run the auto discovery and catagorize some hard to get the
graphs working. Pretty simple web interface.  

www.zenoss.com
They also have a VMWare image, so if you have vmware player or vmware
server (both free) setup some where you can have it up and running in 10
minutes to try it out.

Also I gather netflow data from my core router, I have not started
graphing yet, but I do create some usage reports from the data.

Ryan

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 17:10 -0500, Jory Privett wrote:
 I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and 
 graphing.  I have used  MRTG for graphing before.  I have looked at 
 WhatsUp, JFFNMS and Niagos before.  I want to be able to graph traffic on 
 network ports of my routers (Cisco and Mikrotik) and wireless equipment.  I 
 also would like it to notify me if a device is down either by email or 
 preferably SMS. Monitoring mail and web servers would be an added plus.   I 
 am curious what others use for this type of application, what they 
 like.dislike about it and if they would recommend it to someone else.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jory Privett
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

2007-04-23 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:19 -0700, George Rogato wrote:
 
 David E. Smith wrote:
  Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
 You pay some property taxes, you get to use all
  those roads they built.  
  . It's all trade-offs. Basic 
  freshman-year-of-college economics. 
 
 
 I just wanted to point out an error you just made mark, you said :
 
 The government doesn't give you stuff for free,
 
 And your correct, but this other part is incorrect:
 
 you don't give them stuff for free
 
 Yes we do.

Care to quantify this statement?
 
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RE: [WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access

2007-04-19 Thread Ryan Langseth

I haven't read all of the calea law yet ... what part of it says
anything about blocking access, I thought it was about traffic sniffing,
not traffic censoring? Smells like FUD to me.


On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:23 -0400, Smith, Rick wrote:
 Ya know, they could use CALEA to lock down wireless units, and get a
 side benefit
 of blocking porn, without starting the whole free speech argument...
 
 
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 Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access
 
 
 http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_108212704.html
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Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today

2007-04-18 Thread Ryan Langseth
Probably because they don't want to have to deal with their own
connection/disconnection departments. ;) (just kidding, sort of)

Ryan
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 13:36 -0500, John Scrivner wrote:
 Why is ATT ordering wireless links? They can put a T1 anywhere they 
 want. I don't get it. I would certainly be suspect of that also.
 Scriv
 
 
 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 
  There's been quite a bit of talk about ATT wireless links on the p-15 
  list. Looks legit.
 
  Marlon
  (509) 982-2181
  (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
  42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
  1999!
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
  www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today
 
 
  Wow... I got a call today from a lady in Washington, DC wanting 
  70-80 wireless connections in our area for a 3 month project. It 
  was just a voicemail that she left, and I don't plan to call her back...
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Rick Harnish wrote:
 
  One of our salespeople got a call today from ATT that I feel I must 
  share
  and see if others are getting similar calls.
 
 
  The ATT rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary 
  (2 day
  service) to various locations that do not have access to cable/DSL 
  or fiber.
  They need these connections for conference call meetings and will 
  need our
  company to set up a wireless router at the location as well.  He 
  needs these
  connections done in as short as a 3-4 day window.
 
  Has anyone else had similar calls?  Not sure if they are just 
  fishing for
  information or what.
 
  Thanks,
 
 
  Rick Harnish
 
  President
 
  OnlyInternet Broadband  Wireless, Inc.
 
  260-827-2482
 
  Founding Member of WISPA
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?

2007-03-28 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yea there is, its call DNS

Ryan

On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 22:34 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num
 portability with internet
 
  
 
 Gino A. Villarini 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
 
  
 
 The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number
 portability...
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Gino Villarini wrote: 
 
 Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ...
  
 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
  
 Smart people sometimes do foolish things.  However, he isnt the  
 dumbest guy in the world either.  So what is his bet?  Why would a guy  
 who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell  
 carriers with a new wireless product?
  
 chris
  
 Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
  
   
 
   Just a little bit!

   I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what
   ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer.

   180 bucks! Per sub!

   It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain
   threshold, he gets 180.

   So what does the next-net equipment cost?
   and then bandwidth
   and then tower leases
   and then spiffs for your resellers

   WOW!

   ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.

2007-03-22 Thread Ryan Langseth
We ran into this in our office, a couple of the headset units we have
are 2.4 ghz freq. hopping units and the linksys waps we use(d) would die
every time a phone call came through. We also have one DECT headset that
causes no problems. On another note, I am using another AP currently
that uses an Atheros chipset and has been rock solid even with the
headsets still being used.

Ryan

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:53 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote:
 All,
 
 I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a 
 great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies 
 used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in 
 the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. 
 We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask 
 for and we got them for a song after the rebate.
 
 Just a thought.
 
 Regards,
 Dawn DiPietro

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Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update

2007-03-15 Thread Ryan Langseth

For those that have walmarts in their area, I would suggest starting
talking to them ahead of time, you may be able it prevent the same
problem from happening on your towers.  I would bet all walmarts will
start using rfid's in the next couple of years.
 
Ryan
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 09:41 -0500, Ray  Jean wrote:
 I did not mention broadband reports,they found it on their own.I was unaware 
 that one of our partners was posting there asking for input on the 
 problem.They didnt mention this thread,maybe haven't discovered it yet.We 
 sure were relieved when they called and acted sincere about resolving the 
 problem.I will post the contact info here when we meet with their rep.That 
 way if the problem shows up in your neighborhood you will know who to call 
 without spending days trying to get to the right person.Never underestimate 
 the power of the internet or press.
 Thanks
 Ray Hill
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
 
 
  Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in Walmart. Did you
  happen to mention to them that you were posting complaints about their
  system in the Broadband Reports Forums, or did they discover this
  themselves? They must (or should) have a search appliance dedicated to
  sniffing out the first malodorous whiffs of bad press.
 
  Now it's time, as RickG suggests, for the good PR. This thread is a start,
  as it's every bit as searchable as the forums!
 
  Best,
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Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing

2007-03-15 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 14:02 -0800, George Rogato wrote:
 I need a couple very short range PtP links. A few hundred feet at most 
 for each one. Something that did close to 50 or even 100 megs duplex 
 would be good
 
http://tranzeo.com/products/radios/TR-FDD-Series


 Has anyone worked with Free Space Optics and can advice?
Not yet but they look interesting.

 Also looking to be frugal. But don't want 5 gig.
(that one is 5 gig ... but cheap)

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Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid

2007-03-11 Thread Ryan Langseth
Depending on how big your town is, and how they feel about Walmart, you
should try sending a letter to the local newspaper. Also document
everything, calls, letters, etc and post them to a web site.  Then
submit them to the bigger social networking news sites (digg slashdot
reddit) make sure to put some good spin on it, make sure to let people
know how many of you customers are affected by walmart's refusal to work
with you.  This will be especially effective if walmart has any sort of
bad name in your town already.  

Ryan

On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 13:28 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
 The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you
 try and resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be
 SCREAMING after the first hour of downtime.
 
 The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing
 customers.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Rick Smith wrote: 
  no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands.  They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho,
  because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and
  not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power.  Problem
  is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time.
  
  How far away is this from you ?
  
  I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end,
  leaking.
  
  Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;)
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
  
  
  If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.  
  So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible.  Also, it 
  may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple.
  
  A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order.  
  Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much 
  recourse.  This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the 
  final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum.
  
  Good luck in your battle.
  
  Bob
  
  
  
  Ray  Jean wrote:
  

   Travis
   Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that 
   could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol  
   omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 
   customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it 
   gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the 
   power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the 
   area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not 
   on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we 
   could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could 
   create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize 
   this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might 
   encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe.
   Thanks
   Ray Hill
   - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
   
   
   Hi,
   
   You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going
   from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
   
   Travis
   Microserv
   
   Ray  Jean wrote:
   
   
Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we 
have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on 
how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning 
system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor 
at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 
of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole 
band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The 
walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call 
the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt 
security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request 
it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional 
manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We 
have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no 
reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to 
resolve this problem?
Thanks
Ray Hill
surfmore. net

  
  


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Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid

2007-03-11 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yea, I agree the connection for those customers needs to be the
priority. But, taking more than one direction of fixing the problem is a
good idea.  What if the store is over EIRP and switching to h-pol only
marginally improves the signal? Then its back to square one on getting
the problem fixed.


On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 14:24 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Again... are those 100 customers going to wait a few weeks while you
 try and work it out? Or even better is if they decide because they
 didn't have service that they aren't going to pay for that month...
 100 x $30 per month just paid for the switch to h-pol and the problem
 is fixed. ;)
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Ryan Langseth wrote: 
  Depending on how big your town is, and how they feel about Walmart, you
  should try sending a letter to the local newspaper. Also document
  everything, calls, letters, etc and post them to a web site.  Then
  submit them to the bigger social networking news sites (digg slashdot
  reddit) make sure to put some good spin on it, make sure to let people
  know how many of you customers are affected by walmart's refusal to work
  with you.  This will be especially effective if walmart has any sort of
  bad name in your town already.  
  
  Ryan
  
  On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 13:28 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote:

   The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you
   try and resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be
   SCREAMING after the first hour of downtime.
   
   The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing
   customers.
   
   Travis
   Microserv
   
   Rick Smith wrote: 
   
no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands.  They MUST be exceeding EIRP, 
tho,
because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, 
and
not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power.  
Problem
is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time.

How far away is this from you ?

I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their 
end,
leaking.

Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid


If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature.  
So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible.  Also, it 
may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that 
simple.

A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order.  
Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much 
recourse.  This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the 
final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 
spectrum.

Good luck in your battle.

Bob



Ray  Jean wrote:

  
  
 Travis
 Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that 
 could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol  
 omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 
 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how 
 it 
 gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the 
 power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the 
 area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is 
 not 
 on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we 
 could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could 
 create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize 
 this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might 
 encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe.
 Thanks
 Ray Hill
 - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
 
 
 Hi,
 
 You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often 
 going
 from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Ray  Jean wrote:
 
 
 
  Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that 
  we 
  have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input 
  on 
  how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning 
  system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor 
  at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 
  30 
  of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole 
  band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The 
  walmart store manager says its not his

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