Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

2013-01-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
They are dropping us as well. I wonder if it is just a deal to rid themselves 
of the WISPs deal they made? I know regular Dish Retailers(not WISP) that are 
not being dropped and have less sales.

Scottie Arnett
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Hudson 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us


  We're being dropped as well. Although I admit that we have had a few months 
in a row that we didn't sell any. 




  Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone



   Original message 
  From: Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net 
  Date: 12/27/2012 3:22 PM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us 


  Yes, we average a little over 3 per month.

  Paul C Diem
  pcd...@foxvalley.net

  On 12/27/2012 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
   3 per month?
  
   Sent from my Motorola Startac...
  
  
   On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote:
  
   We signed up as a DISH Network reseller back in 2010 when they were
   approaching WISP's. We've averaged around 3+ new DISH installs per
   month. Last month we received notice that we have not met their minimum
   requirements and our reseller account will be terminated on 12/31.
  
   Our install volume is not huge because we mainly sell to our new and
   existing and customers We have used their co-op marketing program as
   well. Our old account manager would tell us our sales were great. Our
   new account manager has been nothing but a pain. I can't imagine they
   have much expense by maintaining us as a reseller.
  
   I know other WISP's became DISH resellers around that time. Has anyone
   else been dropped as a reseller by DISH?
   --
   Paul C Diem
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Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?

2011-12-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
In my area, I have to deal with northstarstudios.tv.

I have sent emails after emails to them.I guess next is call them 
direct!?!?!?!?

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- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?


 Thanks for the information.  Much obliged.

 At 12/12/2011 04:12 PM, you wrote:

SES Americom can be done. It's just not a easy process.



Our first agreement with them took more than a year of legal wrangling.


Since then we have successfully negotiated agreements with SES for
another 5 towers and 3500 CPE.



Michael C. Hughes
CEO Antelecom, Inc.
661.726.3516


On Monday 12/12/2011 at 12:17, Pat O'Connor wrote:
You have to contact who manages the Satellite Earth Station and they
usually have an application and various forms to fill out. If you're
dealing with SES Americom, have fun. I don't know of one that they have
approved.


Pat





On 12/12/2011 11:20 AM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
Does anyone have a standard letter to use to ask permission from
satellite earth stations to use the 3650 MHz band within the 150 mile
exclusion zone? Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because of a 
rural telephone cooperative?

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- Original Message - 
From: Fred R. Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 On Friday, the FCC finally released the Order in their Intercarrier
 Compensation and Universal Service Fund docket.  The executive
 summary had come out with the Adoption at last month's FCC Public
 Meeting, but the 759-page (!) Order took a while to finish.

 The results, from a WISP perspective, are not nearly as bad as could
 have been.  The FCC has taken safeguards to make it easier for an
 unsubsidized WISP to prevent subsidized competition from an incumbent LEC.

 The high-cost portions of the Universal Service Fund are being
 restructured into the Connect America Fund.  This will come into
 being in three phases, each with different rules for Price Cap
 Carriers and Rate of Return Carriers.  About 95% of phone lines are
 in the former category; the latter are basically small rural carriers
 who depend upon USF.

 Phase I is just 2012.  Price Cap Carriers will be offered $775 per
 line to add 4/1 broadband serivce to unserved areas that they
 weren't otherwise going to serve.  They can choose how many lines
 this applies to.  If the location is served on the National
 Broadband Map, or if the ILEC *knows* it's served by an unsubsidized
 competitor, it's off limits.  I think this must be at least 768k
 fixed service.  So this might be a good time to make sure the mappers
 are aware of your service areas, or to think about short-term service
 expansion. The date by which you must be on the map isn't set yet,
 but it's presumably in 1H2012.

 Phase II starts in 2013.  For this, Price Cap Carriers will be
 offered support based on a cost model that the FCC will create in
 2012.  Once the model is complete, the ILEC will decide if it wants
 to take that support for its territory on a state-by-state (all of a
 state or nothing) basis.  Again, only unserved areas will get
 support, though an ILEC can use support to build common plant in an
 area that is more than 50% unserved.  So a new DSLAM that covers 40%
 unserved would not be covered, but ont that covers 60% unserved would
 be.  So again it's important for WISPs to make their presence
 known.  If the ILEC turns down the state, USF support goes to the low 
 bidder.

 Phase III starts in 2018, and will be entirely bid-based, but the
 details will be worked out in the future.

 A separate Extremely High Cost fund will allocate up to $100M/year
 for locations too costly (by the model) to serve via the standard
 subsidy.  This will be separately bid, and it's assumed that fixed
 wireless and satellite will be the mostly likely technologies.  So
 this could allow some subsidies to rustic-but-Bell-area WISPs.

 The FCC notes that while this gives ILECs first dibs on funding, it
 also takes away Price Cap Carrier USF from areas served by
 unsubsidized competitors, so WISPs could theoretically come out
 better under the new rules.

 Now here's a catch:  Unsubsidized competitor is defined as a
 provider of both voice and broadband service.  It's not entirely
 obvious (you try parsing 759 pages of FCC-speak this quickly... ;-) )
 if that applies to the Price Cap Carrier model, or just the rural
 Rate of Return case, since the PCCs already offer unsubsidized voice
 across most of their territories, and the map isn't about voice.  In
 the rural Rate of Return Carrier case, voice will be more
 important.  This does not mean that the WISP must be a CLEC per se;
 it might be high-quality (QoS) VoIP offered in conjunction with a
 CLEC who has local numbers, for instance.  But for some ISPs, this
 might be a good time to start thinking about adding voice
 service.  (My talk at FISPA last month was about the case for whether
 an ISP should start up a CLEC.)

 In areas served by rate-of-return carriers, the new rules phase out
 (over 3 years) all USF support to an ILEC that is 100% overlapped
 (voice and broadband) by an unsubsidized carrier, typically
 cable.  If there is less than 100% overlap, then support will be
 reduced, but the actual methodology is left to be determined via the
 Further NPRM.

 So on balance, the FCC has done a lot less harm to the rural WISP
 community than it could have, while still encouraging ILECs to deploy
 more broadband via subsidies.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular 
and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take 
your pick. They have NO Clec's here either.

Scottie Arnett
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- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 At 11/21/2011 07:50 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because of 
a
rural telephone cooperative?

 I don't believe a rural cooperative can prevent you from pulling
 numbers from the NANPA.  They are even required to interconnect with
 you for the exchange of traffic which, under the new rules, will
 *eventually* (like 9 years out) be at bilk-and-keep.  You might
 however have to interconnect indirectly, via a third-party tandem,
 and there's some issue of recourse if they block calls to you.  They
 are not required to lease you any network elements.  And they don't
 like to be, well, too cooperative...  but I'd first want to check
 with the lawyers to know exactly how much privilege an RTC still has.



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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
TN is FULLL of cooperatives. From what I have found, the state of TN 
likes to protect them too.

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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_switch.php?tandem=NSVNTNGN00T

 Looks like all RLECs, but maybe you'd have luck with one of them.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/21/2011 8:29 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US 
 Cellular
 and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as 
 Vonage/Packet8/take
 your pick. They have NO Clec's here either.

 Scottie Arnett
 President
 Info-Ed, Inc.
 Electronics and More
 931-243-2101
 sarn...@info-ed.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldsteinfgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing 
 ILECs


 At 11/21/2011 07:50 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because 
 of
 a
 rural telephone cooperative?
 I don't believe a rural cooperative can prevent you from pulling
 numbers from the NANPA.  They are even required to interconnect with
 you for the exchange of traffic which, under the new rules, will
 *eventually* (like 9 years out) be at bilk-and-keep.  You might
 however have to interconnect indirectly, via a third-party tandem,
 and there's some issue of recourse if they block calls to you.  They
 are not required to lease you any network elements.  And they don't
 like to be, well, too cooperative...  but I'd first want to check
 with the lawyers to know exactly how much privilege an RTC still has.



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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to break 
this barrier for almost 12 years.

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From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote:
The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US 
Cellular
and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take
your pick. They have NO Clec's here either.

 I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-)  The good news is that
 they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange
 can be indirect.

 But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's
 area.  Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only
 other carriers there, all mobile.  No Celina numbers, either, if it
 matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Re-reading your posts brings me to another question.has any VOIP 
carriers ever used cellular carriers numbers? Is it even possible?

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From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to 
 break
 this barrier for almost 12 years.

 Scottie Arnett
 President
 Info-Ed, Inc.
 Electronics and More
 931-243-2101
 sarn...@info-ed.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing 
 ILECs


 At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote:
The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US
Cellular
and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as 
Vonage/Packet8/take
your pick. They have NO Clec's here either.

 I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-)  The good news is that
 they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange
 can be indirect.

 But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's
 area.  Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only
 other carriers there, all mobile.  No Celina numbers, either, if it
 matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available.


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Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs

2011-11-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
We just happen to fall into one of those 3.65Ghz protected areas! But I have 
heard that the local telco has something going on there too!

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- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs


 At 11/21/2011 11:18 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
Re-reading your posts brings me to another question.has any VOIP
carriers ever used cellular carriers numbers? Is it even possible?

 First, wrt the Livingston exchange, 931-397 and 931-403 belong to US
 Cellular; the latter is pooled (they're using the 7's).  Nextel has
 -871, pooled (using 6 and 7).  Oddly, US Cellular but not S-N says it
 subtends a Gaineborough tandem, which is Twin Lakes, but most Twin
 Lakes exchanges subtend Nashville.

 As to VoIP via cellular numbers, well, its sort of odd, but it might
 be possible.  The new rules may actually say something about this -- 
 there was a VoIP company affiliated with a wireless company that was,
 uh, alleged to have been laundering its LD calls via the cellular
 company in order to get the lower termination rates.  They deny it of
 course... but that may have been addressed in the intercarrier
 rules.  I haven't gotten through it all yet. (It's freakin' huge.)  I
 actually had a client that was a wireless company whose business
 included lots and lots of modems, way back when, so it's not
 unprecedented to have, uh, incidental non-wireless traffic go
 through a wirless feed.  And heck, put up one 3.65 GHz base station
 (if it's allowed there) and declare it CMRS, and you're a cellco too!

 There's one lawyer I know who sort of specializes in this sort of thing.

Scottie Arnett
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From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing 
ILECs


  Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to
  break
  this barrier for almost 12 years.
 
  Scottie Arnett
  President
  Info-Ed, Inc.
  Electronics and More
  931-243-2101
  sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message -
  From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing
  ILECs
 
 
  At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote:
 The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US
 Cellular
 and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as
 Vonage/Packet8/take
 your pick. They have NO Clec's here either.
 
  I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-)  The good news is that
  they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange
  can be indirect.
 
  But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's
  area.  Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only
  other carriers there, all mobile.  No Celina numbers, either, if it
  matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network

2011-11-11 Thread Scottie Arnett
So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem 
instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try 
it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


  Thanks Scottie,

  Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are 
using MS Vista or MS7.   We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, 
.20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user 
loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a 
! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick 
Launch toolbar.  When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message 
Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears.

  It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and 
will not allow access.  Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts 
to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my 
customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is 
concerned.

  My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our 
internet access is concerned.

  Ron Wallace
  Tigernet Internet
  trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet

   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
  From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
  Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

   
Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having 
problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another 
private structure solved the problem.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


  To All,

  I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net.  Their 
PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow 
triangle w/!.  indicating that their ethernet interface has no access.  Each 
user has MS7.  

  This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 
Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors.  At first we 
thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case.  However, not all 
MS7 users.  The setup of all CPE  AP devices is the same.

  We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with 
no affect on the ability to access the net.

  Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly 
appreciated.

  Ron Wallace
  Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet)
  rwall...@tigernet.us
  Phone:517-547-8410
  Cel:517-740-0941


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Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network

2011-11-11 Thread Scottie Arnett
Yea, I was going to suggest this also. I thought if he were already doing DHCP 
to try the bridge to see if it made a difference.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Bailey 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a 
router in backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x 
either way you should be good. 

--- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us wrote:


  From: rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Scottie Arnett 
sarn...@info-ed.com
  Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM


   Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each 
customer.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud 
attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com
Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm
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attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be wireless@wispa.org

 
So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking 
problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the 
radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything.

Scottie Arnett
President
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Electronics and More
931-243-2101
MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


  Thanks Scottie,

  Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this 
problem are using MS Vista or MS7.   We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or 
.10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are 
entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a 
yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower 
right, in the Quick Launch toolbar.  When the mouse pointer is rested over 
the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears.

  It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a 
security risk and will not allow access.  Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and 
arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have 
overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet 
access is concerned.

  My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security 
where our internet access is concerned.

  Ron Wallace
  Tigernet Internet
  trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet

   Original Message 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
  From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud 
attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com
  Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am
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Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember 
some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. 
Changing to another private structure solved the problem.

Scottie Arnett
President
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Electronics and More
931-243-2101
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  - Original Message - 
  From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


  To All,

  I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the 
net.  Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a 
yellow triangle w/!.  indicating that their ethernet interface has no access.  
Each user has MS7.  

  This is specific to one tower location

Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network

2011-11-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having 
problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another 
private structure solved the problem.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: rwall...@tigernet.us 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network


  To All,

  I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net.  Their PC's 
network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle 
w/!.  indicating that their ethernet interface has no access.  Each user has 
MS7.  

  This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 
Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors.  At first we 
thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case.  However, not all 
MS7 users.  The setup of all CPE  AP devices is the same.

  We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no 
affect on the ability to access the net.

  Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated.

  Ron Wallace
  Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet)
  rwall...@tigernet.us
  Phone:517-547-8410
  Cel:517-740-0941



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Is that true for all freq. Gino?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Gino Villarini 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  Ubnt 90 are really 60, and The 120 are really 90.

   

  Gino A. Villarini

  g...@aeronetpr.com

  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

  787.273.4143

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan
  Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:38 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

   

  60. I'd really, really like some 60's, and UBNT already has 90s.

   

  Kevin

- Original Message - 

From: Tom DeReggi 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:57 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

 

My answer is... 60 deg.

 

Actually, if I had my way, I'd prefer under 45 deg.

 

Without detailed specs for the antennas, to understand what the product 
would be adding, its hard to suggest the market for each.

UBNT makes wonderful and affordable 90 and 120 deg antennas, and if someone 
wants 90 or 120, I dont see why anyone would buy anything different than the 
proven product already available.  (unless KP's antennas add something)..

 

What I can say is that there are not any 60 deg dual pol high quality 
sectors on the market today, and there is a need for such a product.

 

Admittedly, I tend to use 90 degs now. But I'd use more 60 deg, if they 
were available, even if it meant not gaining 360 deg coverage.

I believe a combination of 5.8 and 5.3/4 is needed in combination to gain 
360 coverage.  In Urban and heavilly saturated suburban environments 90-120 
degree antennas are almost unusable, atleast not at high modulations.  The 
secret to a successful WISP is getting the highest modulations possible so they 
get the most capacity. And its better to have more capacity for limited 
coverage, than not enough capacity for full coverage, because with a more 
powerful offering, the take rate will be higher in the narrower coverage.

 

It is true, that today, with UBNT only certified in 5.8 MIMO,  60 deg 
antennas would not likely safely enable full 360 degree coverage in most cases, 
prior to sync, and maybe not even then with noise floors.  And as well, low 
density would warrant cost savings of fewer sectors. And obtaining 360deg is 
more important in low density areas.  I'm sure this is why 120 and 90s are more 
attractive to rural WISPs. But the needs are much different for noisy 
Suburban/Urban.  120-90 deg antennas are to risky to use in urban cases.  It 
should also be noted that spectrum reuse is sometimes possible, in Urban areas, 
mounted on opposite sides of penthouses, even without syncing, and often 10Mhz 
channels can be used to gain the coverage. Urban will choose 10Mhz, if they 
have a low colo cost, and can prove that higher modulation is achievable with 
less noise as a result of narrower sectors.

 

So the decission may come down to which market segment KP wants to target, 
rural versus urban. And if they want a unique product, or compete head to head 
with others that have 

equivellent products. 

 

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Shane MacDonald 

  To: WISPA General List 

  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 AM

  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

   

   

  We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in 
December.

  Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December 
release date and want your feedback.

  The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion 
between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.

   

  Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response 
will weigh heavily on our decision.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Shane MacDonald

  KP Performance Antennas

  Sales Marketing Manager

  sh...@kpperformance.ca

  www.kpperformance.ca

  Direct line  780-702-9977

  Fax 780-460-2786

   

   

   




 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
That is awesome Sam! Thanks, I will do that. Do you know what freq they are 
making it for?

Scottie Arnett
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Tetherow 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  Ubiquiti is making/makes a dual pol yagi, check with your ubiquiti dealer, I 
just seen one announce it on a new products list, supposedly shipping in 
December. 

  On 11/4/11 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
Shane,

Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.

I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct 
comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree 
sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed 
bands?

In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, 
if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to 
get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have 
some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not 
like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from  ITElite and most 
are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scottie Arnett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?

  Scottie Arnett
  President
  Info-Ed, Inc.
  Electronics and More
  931-243-2101
  sarn...@info-ed.com
- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 
120s in the near future anyway.



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?





We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in 
December.

Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December 
release date and want your feedback.

The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion 
between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.



Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response 
will weigh heavily on our decision.



Thanks,



Shane MacDonald

KP Performance Antennas

Sales Marketing Manager

sh...@kpperformance.ca

www.kpperformance.ca

Direct line  780-702-9977

Fax 780-460-2786








 

   

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Nice... you have made my day early. I hope it works well.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Tetherow 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  
http://www.wlanparts.com/product/AMY-9M16/Ubiquiti-airMAX-YAGI-Antenna-2x2-MIMO-Dual-Pol-16dbi.html

  On 11/4/11 9:20 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
That is awesome Sam! Thanks, I will do that. Do you know what freq they are 
making it for?

Scottie Arnett
President
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Electronics and More
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sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Tetherow 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  Ubiquiti is making/makes a dual pol yagi, check with your ubiquiti 
dealer, I just seen one announce it on a new products list, supposedly shipping 
in December. 

  On 11/4/11 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
Shane,

Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.

I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct 
comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree 
sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed 
bands?

In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz 
yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying 
to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have 
some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not 
like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from  ITElite and most 
are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scottie Arnett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?

  Scottie Arnett
  President
  Info-Ed, Inc.
  Electronics and More
  931-243-2101
  sarn...@info-ed.com
- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other 
than 120s in the near future anyway.


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?



We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in 
December.

Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December 
release date and want your feedback.

The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your 
opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.


Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your 
response will weigh heavily on our decision.


Thanks,


Shane MacDonald

KP Performance Antennas

Sales Marketing Manager

sh...@kpperformance.ca

www.kpperformance.ca

Direct line  780-702-9977

Fax 780-460-2786





 

   

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Now I am getting confused. If it is not possible, how is it that the link Sam 
posted stating a dual polarized yagi? Is it vaporware?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred Goldstein 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  At 11/4/2011 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

Yagis, are by nature on single pol.


  But you can build two yagis on the same mast, one quadrant rotated from each 
other.  Separate feeds and all.  Typically this was done for circular 
polarization (one feed, phased to give the right chirality), and used on the 
OSCAR satellites.  


On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

  Shane,



  Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.



  I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct 
comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree 
sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed 
bands?



  In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz 
yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying 
to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have 
some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not 
like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from  ITElite and most 
are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.



  Scottie Arnett

  President

  Info-Ed, Inc.

  Electronics and More

  931-243-2101

  sarn...@info-ed.com

- Original Message - 

From: Scottie Arnett 

To: WISPA General List 

Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?



Scottie Arnett

President

Info-Ed, Inc.

Electronics and More

931-243-2101

sarn...@info-ed.com

  - Original Message - 

  From: Mathew Howard 

  To: 'WISPA General List' 

  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 
120s in the near future anyway.





  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald

  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM

  To: WISPA General List

  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?








  We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in 
December.


  Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December 
release date and want your feedback.


  The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion 
between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.





  Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your 
response will weigh heavily on our decision.





  Thanks,





  Shane MacDonald


  KP Performance Antennas


  Sales Marketing Manager


  sh...@kpperformance.ca


  www.kpperformance.ca


  Direct line  780-702-9977


  Fax 780-460-2786















 


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks for the clarification Fred. When I originally read Cameron's post, I did 
not see what he wrote below it about But you can build two yagis ...

Scottie Arnett
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred Goldstein 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  At 11/4/2011 11:01 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

Now I am getting confused. If it is not possible, how is it that the link 
Sam posted stating a dual polarized yagi? Is it vaporware?
 

  No.  The OSCAR circular-polarized antennas had a feed split between the V and 
H antennas, which each had a driven element.  The MIMO ones have independent 
feeds.


Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com

  - Original Message - 

  From: Fred Goldstein 

  To: WISPA General List 

  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:47 AM

  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  At 11/4/2011 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

Yagis, are by nature on single pol.


  But you can build two yagis on the same mast, one quadrant rotated from 
each other.  Separate feeds and all.  Typically this was done for circular 
polarization (one feed, phased to give the right chirality), and used on the 
OSCAR satellites.  


On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com 
wrote: 
  Shane, 
   
  Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. 
   
  I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not 
correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 
degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all 
unlicensed bands? 
   
  In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz 
yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying 
to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have 
some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not 
like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from  ITElite and most 
are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. 
   
  Scottie Arnett 
  President 
  Info-Ed, Inc. 
  Electronics and More 
  931-243-2101 
  sarn...@info-ed.com 
- Original Message - 
From: Scottie Arnett 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? 
 
Scottie Arnett 
President 
Info-Ed, Inc. 
Electronics and More 
931-243-2101 
sarn...@info-ed.com 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

  I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other 
than 120s in the near future anyway.



   
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?



   


   
  We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release 
in December.

  Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid 
December release date and want your feedback.

  The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your 
opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.



   
  Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your 
response will weigh heavily on our decision.



   
  Thanks,



   
  Shane MacDonald

  KP Performance Antennas

  Sales Marketing Manager


  sh...@kpperformance.ca


  www.kpperformance.ca

  Direct line  780-702-9977 
  Fax 780-460-2786



   


   



   
 

 

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Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Ok I like the discussion on bottom vs top posting, but get your own room, :). 
Another email rule that seems to dominate is if starting another completely 
off-related issue to the email subject is to change the subject line?

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: David E. Smith 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?





  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:15, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

(top posted)

Often that works, Sam. When it's a simple dialogue over one issue, then 
sure, top posting works.  Where insertion-posting works better is when replying 
to individual paragraphs or sections separately.  I have been known to write 
very long emails, as have some of my correspondents... and this way the 
specific points are answered in situ.



  Some folks have been using email since the late 70s, before there was really 
such a thing as a full-screen text editor (may the spirits have mercy upon you 
if you remember edlin, for instance), which explains bottom-posting (it was the 
only viable way to do it). 


  Inline posting seems more common among people who started communicating 
online in the 80s (it was common in Fidonet BBS messaging), and when emails 
took several days to get from one place to another, the context probably was 
valuable to help you remember where you were in a discussion.


  Top-posting became more common when email became more accessible to the 
general public, along with the rise of the Internet generally, probably 
starting in the early 1990s.


  This doesn't explain why I prefer bottom-posting, as I'm too young to 
remember anything before the mid-90s, but (shrug)


  David Smith
  MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?

Scottie Arnett
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in 
the near future anyway.

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

   

   

  We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December.

  Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release 
date and want your feedback.

  The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between 
the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.

   

  Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will 
weigh heavily on our decision.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Shane MacDonald

  KP Performance Antennas

  Sales Marketing Manager

  sh...@kpperformance.ca

  www.kpperformance.ca

  Direct line  780-702-9977

  Fax 780-460-2786

   

   

   


   

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

2011-11-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
Shane,

Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.

I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct 
comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree 
sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed 
bands?

In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if 
it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get 
more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some 
test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like 
the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from  ITElite and most are 
not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.
Electronics and More
931-243-2101
sarn...@info-ed.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scottie Arnett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


  A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?

  Scottie Arnett
  President
  Info-Ed, Inc.
  Electronics and More
  931-243-2101
  sarn...@info-ed.com
- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?


I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s 
in the near future anyway.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Shane MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

 

 

We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in 
December.

Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release 
date and want your feedback.

The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion 
between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.

 

Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will 
weigh heavily on our decision.

 

Thanks,

 

Shane MacDonald

KP Performance Antennas

Sales Marketing Manager

sh...@kpperformance.ca

www.kpperformance.ca

Direct line  780-702-9977

Fax 780-460-2786

 

 

 


 

   

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[WISPA] FCC considers lowering pole rates.

2011-04-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
 
http://www.cedmagazine.com/News/2011/04/FCC-lower-pole-rate-attachment-fees-NCTA-James-Assey.aspx?et_cid=1376258et_rid=43973930linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cedmagazine.com%2fNews%2f2011%2f04%2fFCC-lower-pole-rate-attachment-fees-NCTA-James-Assey.aspx
 


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[WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5

2011-03-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
Hey guys,

Do any of you use IEA Software's Emerald v4.5 and successfully integrated 
IPPay? I know IPPay integrates with Emerald v5, but I am still using v4.5 
because there is really no reason to upgrade it. It is a leftover billing 
system from the dial-up days that still works for us and it does integrate with 
authorize.net, but I would like to switch to IPPay.

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Re: [WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5

2011-03-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
I can't see that there would be much difference in v5 and v4.5 as far as 
integration for IPPay would be, but I am not a programmer. I guess if an API 
for Authorize.net was developed, that would work for us also. 

Scottie
  - Original Message - 
  From: David E. Smith 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5





  On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:35, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

Hey guys,

Do any of you use IEA Software's Emerald v4.5 and successfully integrated 
IPPay? I know IPPay integrates with Emerald v5, but I am still using v4.5 
because there is really no reason to upgrade it. It is a leftover billing 
system from the dial-up days that still works for us and it does integrate with 
authorize.net, but I would like to switch to IPPay.


  Few years back, IPpay told me they were working on something that was 
API-compatible with authorize.net, but it never materialized and I think they 
eventually abandoned the project. I'm in the same situation as you - Emerald 
4.5 works just fine for us, and authorize.net works just fine for us, so we're 
in no hurry to upgrade/replace either.


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[WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.

2011-03-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina. Some
of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has anyone
used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something like
this?

I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I
assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular wireless
cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter?

Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft
limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this is
going to have to require going across water and land and up to distances
of 1/2 mile.

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.

2011-03-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
I have one or two docks that I can not get LOS too. The rest I can get
LOS. They do want this recorded, so I will need to look into the network
video recorder. I am trying to use a system they already have that is all
wired around the office and integrate the far off sites with wireless.
They do have a 2.4 marina wi-fi system in place, but it is not their own,
it is one of those we will give you $xx/mth off what it generates. So that
part may be fun to deal with on interference, 5.8 may be the better idea.

Scottie

 On ip cameras pick the H264 ones. They use 1/3 the bandwidth of mpeg
 cameras and the video quality is better.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 Scottie,

 This is not an issue but I would not use 2.4 GHz.  You need to consider
 marina WiFi.

 If you have LOS use 5 Ghz. It will handle 1/2 mile with no issues and
 the water won't be an issue unless the radios fall into the water.

 You can use standard CCTV analog cameras but will need an encoder and a
 decoder.  You will probably find it is cheaper to do IP based cameras
 such as Axis. Keeping in mind that is you want to record the video at
 the office site you will need a network video recorder (NVR) which is
 more money than a standard DVR.

 This is easy. Just comes down to LOS and $$.

 -B-





 On 3/8/2011 3:49 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina.
 Some
 of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has
 anyone
 used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something
 like
 this?

 I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I
 assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular
 wireless
 cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter?

 Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft
 limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this
 is
 going to have to require going across water and land and up to
 distances
 of 1/2 mile.

 Scottie Arnett
 Info-Ed, Inc.



 
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[WISPA] Slow list?

2011-03-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
I got a total of list posts of 12 on 3/1 and a  total of 15 on 3/2? WTF? I know 
I placed a post and never received it on 3/1.

What is up with the lists?

Scottie


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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower 
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me 
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco 
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area, 
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think 
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they 
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they 
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much 
they get in USF in my area.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
 allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
 voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
 or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
 to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
 already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
 Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
 it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
 subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
 *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
 much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
 policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
 unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every 
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE 
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate 
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their 
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a 
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to 
the Computer Inquiries.

Nice explanation Fred.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative. 
Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in 
Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course 
there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither 
will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting 
subsidized extremely through USF.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much 
lower
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran 
me
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The 
telco
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
they get in USF in my area.

 Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have
 downloaded some fairly recent ones.

 Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this
 essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban
 customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying
 for the coop's service.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either 
separate
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
the Computer Inquiries.

 I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should
 apply to all ILECs, permanently.

Nice explanation Fred.

 Thanks.

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
  Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
  Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
  California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
  heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
  The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
  areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
Ok, thanks guys. I had heard some coops getting close to $100/mth per line. 
What is interesting is the line counts are about the same at NCTC as they 
were about 7 or 8 years ago. The most interesting is the that TLTC had 
almost 60k lines 7 or 8 years ago. TLTC was at one time(I heard) the 2nd or 
3rd largest telco coop in America.

If you take out the taxes and fees, the home line charges were around $18 at 
TLTC. So is $30, without taxes and fees, about the average home rate in the 
bigger cities that Verizon and BellSouth cover? NCTC was a bit higher last 
time I checked. Without taxes and fees their home line charges were around 
$24.

I do not see why they do not sell DSL without the phone if they are not 
getting anymore funding than that from USF. Of course, TLTC has dropped a 
considerable amount of lines over the past few years, so that may be their 
reasoning. I should not be complaining about the DSL without a phone, that 
is my major selling point, but if they change the USF and can get funding 
for broadband, they may start selling DSL without the phone and then it is 
going to be a hurt to us.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 08:04 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
For Q4 2010

North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high
cost support
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost 
support

 I think you're right -- I was first looking at the wrong report, the
 only one with the line counts.  Let's try a different report...
 Pulling the numbers from their query system, I had the January 2010
 support for North Central total $394k, and Twin Lakes get $436k .

 So assuming the line count is correct, it is about $12/month for Twin
 Lakes, and almost $20/month for North Central.  Still not huge
 compared to some of them, but not trivial.



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[WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

2011-01-28 Thread Scottie Arnett
 I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night 
repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ .

I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and 
another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data 
internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as 
unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited.

My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on 
Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get 
the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the 
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Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

2011-01-28 Thread Scottie Arnett
Yea, lol. I saw that too. I stated it was not really unlimited last night. I 
flubbed the other link up, it is  http://www.broadbandqwireless.com/  .

Scottie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Trimmell 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.


  Unlimited Plan 

  $69.99 per month

  The unlimited broadband account is a no contract service that allows for 
nationwide coverage without a specific cap on the amount of data transfer used 
for $69.99/month.  

  Usage over 50 gigabytes in one month will alert our investigative team.

   

  I mean really, how to contradict yourself all in the span of a paragraph.

   

  You can use your gun here at this firing range but if we hear gunfire we're 
going to have to hold you in custody for illegal use of that weapon your using

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:03 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

   

  MVNO relationships or talk to an MVNO.
  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

   I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night 
repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ .

   

  I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ 
and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless 
data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise 
it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited.

   

  My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on 
Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get 
the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the 
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Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

2011-01-28 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks Chuck, I had to Google that one. Has anyone ever done this? What is 
required to become a MVNO? Is there a difference in just offering data? Do you 
have to be a CLEC? Ah, so many questions...

I could get some customers with this. I have turned prospective customers to 
these companies before that I could not service and they could not get DSL.

Scottie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.


  MVNO relationships or talk to an MVNO.
  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote:

 I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last 
night repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ .

I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ 
and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless 
data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise 
it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited.

My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan 
on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will 
get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to 
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Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.

2011-01-28 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks guys. This has me on track. I would have to go with Verizon if I tried 
something like this. The only other carrier in my area is US Cellular and I do 
not think they do this sort of thing. I wonder if it is like the horror stories 
of reselling the big co's DSL?

Scottie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred Goldstein 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.


  At 1/28/2011 10:46 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

Thanks Chuck, I had to Google that one. Has anyone ever done this? What is 
required to become a MVNO? Is there a difference in just offering data? Do you 
have to be a CLEC? Ah, so many questions...
 
I could get some customers with this. I have turned prospective customers 
to these companies before that I could not service and they could not get DSL.


  There are two ways to have a wholesale (not dealer) relationship with the 
CMRS carrier.  MVNO is more common, where you lease the network wholesale (by 
the account, minute, etc.) and sell it as your own.  Tracfone, Credo and 
various other MVNOs operate in the US, though I think it's a bigger business in 
Europe.  Sprint is probably the most receptive to it; while ATTM and VZW have 
some MVNO deals, they are more interested in having their own retail customers.

  The other arrangement is to have your own rural cellular system and franchise 
it as part of the big carrier's network.  This isn't too common, but Verizon 
Wireless wants the widest LTE coverage they can get, and since they'd rather 
concentrate their own resources in top markets, they'll allow third parties to 
build networks in some rural areas and operate them as part of VZW.  Obviously 
the two companies would have to settle on financial arrangements; the smaller 
company would presumably be putting up the capital and essentially letting VZW 
be an MVNO on its network.  A WISP with a decent tower footprint and the 
capital to build an LTE network might find that attractive.


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Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers

2011-01-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am responding to the first post in this thread, so I have no idea of what has 
been suggested.

I am in a very rural area, I know for a fact the Crown Castle pay's $500/mth 
for a ground level space to lease from the land owner in this area. Crown built 
a 400 ft guided tower and they have Verizon on the top and U.S. Cellular at 200 
ft. I would guess to estimate that they are charging at least $1200/mth to 
$1500/mth on each of those.

I have not inquired on my cost to get to those, but the amount's I suggested 
are from land owner's in my area.

Scottie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:47 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers


  I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell 
service.  I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers.  I have been 
successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody 
else.  Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? 

  Regards,

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[WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G

2011-01-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am a new member to Wispa, and I have a few questions? I have in close 
proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider 
I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through 
cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if 
you read into it, it is not unlimited.

My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on 
Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get 
the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the 
office.

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Re: [WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G

2011-01-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://www.broadbandqwireless.com/

Sorry for the confusion.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scottie Arnett 
  To: WISPA General List ; Principal WISPA Member List 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:42 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G


  I am a new member to Wispa, and I have a few questions? I have in close 
proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider 
I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through 
cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if 
you read into it, it is not unlimited.

  My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on 
Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get 
the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the 
office.

  Scottie


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Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

2011-01-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get me 
wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about Connect 
whatever state inserted here!  Same as what is happening in TN!

In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big boy!  
I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps that WISPA 
has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to BOW DOWN to the 
FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They are playing second 
fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone to standup at the FCC 
and say, HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and telephone co's! We are 
serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl than the telco's are cable 
co's ever thought about!

Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go to 
Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the more he 
gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that used to be a 
WISP and later became a  lawyer. He knows what we are and what we stand for? 

Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against money 
that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just take a 
look at my area and what I have to compete against,  I could give WISPA 
$100,000 and probably still not survive!

Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP 
funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50 
million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were 
covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand their 
coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits,

What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can 
afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250 and 
do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the ones that 
can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has auctioned off the 
good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the BIG guys, but could 
not afford?

Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me different, 
and I will join him in a counter!

Scott

 

- Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


  I didn't say that, but it is well known.


  Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect 
Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to be 
listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly think I 
can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth 
(ATT), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area 
called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went 
to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to 
use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.  They knew I had 
that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the 
money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service.  They were 
provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.  The maps they did were 
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out.  It was 
done in spite of the Kentucky Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and 
they stole it from us all.  Guess what happened another year later?  Another 
company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got 
MILLIONS again.


  I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended 
promised were made by them.


  None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the 
US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.

  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote:

Chuck said: It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for 
the Bells.  

I would agree with that it is a well known opinion by many on this list.  
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent 
companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in general - they 
don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have some very 
knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much with them, 
you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.  

Dave Hannum
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com 
wrote:

  At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
  nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
  I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
  

Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

2011-01-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
 I did my coverage with Connected TN about a year ago and have not heard from 
them since except for a revise.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules


  I didn't say that, but it is well known.


  Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect 
Kentucky.  I said sure, send over the paperwork.  It was a minimum $10k to be 
listed on the associates part.  $50k to be a partner.  Do they honestly think I 
can afford either?  Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth 
(ATT), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area 
called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went 
to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to 
use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue.  They knew I had 
that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the 
money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service.  They were 
provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky.  The maps they did were 
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out.  It was 
done in spite of the Kentucky Government.  The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and 
they stole it from us all.  Guess what happened another year later?  Another 
company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got 
MILLIONS again.


  I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended 
promised were made by them.


  None of this is opinion, it's all FACT.  Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the 
US that are under a Connect program.  Most will show their displeasure.

  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote:

Chuck said: It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for 
the Bells.  

I would agree with that it is a well known opinion by many on this list.  
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent 
companies like most of us are.  They lobby for Broadband in general - they 
don't play favorites at the high level.  However, they have some very 
knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys.  And if you work very much with them, 
you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.  

Dave Hannum
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com 
wrote:

  At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
  You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised.  However,
  nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
  I do.  After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
  mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
  Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain.  Because of the
  potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.


  I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer.  This is the
  public forum, not official correspondence.

  It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
  Bells.  Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
  independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise.  If CN is whinging, let
  them, because it hit home.

  Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
  list.  Not everything has to be somber.


  On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
   makes WISPA look.
We have our opinions.  We are people.  But we, as adults and
   businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.


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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

2010-12-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 
1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the 
last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The 
only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is 
only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system. 
I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) 
notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH! 
Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last 
two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have 
became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit, 
wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you 
have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant!

Scott

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems


I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.

I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
Never an issue with any of them.

One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks.  I have issues with it at
least once a week.  Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
Rights to add a printer for the CPA.  Rights for IE's security
permissions.  Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
(updates I'm guessing).  It's just a mess.

Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
tend to cost more time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
 Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the 
 time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
 apps and Linux servers. But to this point at 700 clients I haven't needed 
 it and I will be looking into that in the future.


 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mark Nash
 Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure 
 server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power 
 supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
 There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that...

 Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently 
 run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
 (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for 
 Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail 
 server, web server, DNS servers, etc.

 Anyway...

 Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs 
 on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about 
 servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical 
 approach and do what's right for your business.
 Any server is just a tool. Pluses  minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit 
 analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the 
 field, or who to hire to answer your phones.

 On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
 I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence.
 Then when you add Server I usually run.

 Shane MacDonald
 KP Performance Antennas


 On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote:

 We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and
 ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very
 configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server,
 that is the version with MSSQL server.

 For what its worth.

 --Curtis





 
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[WISPA] Tower at Auction in Evandale, TX.

2010-11-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
 
http://www.networkintl.com/lotdetail.aspx?lot_id=91319slxauction=QFPIRA000HBW#ps_imgMain1
 

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[WISPA] WTB: Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna.

2010-11-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
Hey Guys,

We are needing a Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna. We will take new or used. If you 
have one for sale, please coneact me offlist.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains or 
something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's just 
hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an average 
of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20 miles you 
hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either build a 1000' 
tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50 miles, either get 
VERY expensive.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


  On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 
6 meg connections.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. 
I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, 
etc. for $500/month. 

  Travis
  Microserv


  On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 
I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now 
does not apply to me.


Friendly Regards,


Mike





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another 
box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support 
calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from 
your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create 
an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you 
choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then 
use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy 
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly 
from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
CHEAP is territorial

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
 or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support 
 calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
 from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
 ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
 content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites 
 you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your 
 proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced 
 directly from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
 Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
 and your users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 
meg connections.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... 
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 
10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for 
$500/month. 

  Travis
  Microserv


  On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 
I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural 
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now 
does not apply to me.



Friendly Regards,



Mike






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers



I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, 
web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your 
network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content 
by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can 
be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a 
client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
users continue to surf the web normally.

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Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
I have been doing a lot of that lately(Fired, or fired before you are
hired). Had a customer come in today...first thing out of their mouth was
Hulu and Netflix. Told them, we are not a solution for you.

Scottie


 Yup!

  -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

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Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

2010-08-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Oh the joy of working with big companies with no inner-correspondence. I
wish it were the same everywhere. Unfortunately, the big company I compete
against has most of their $hit together.

Scottie

 At least you still have your since of humor.

 I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it
 work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else
 fixes it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 wrote:
 Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama.  Moved the office, gave
 them
 over 30 days’ notice to move our copper and fiber but still hasn’t
 happened.  Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM , dragging
 coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no permission to do so
 just
 to get your phones and office internet to work.



 The joy of being in business.



 At least I didn’t get shot.



 Our salesman is “Quite Angry”.  Right.



 Read below.



 Who Else-







 From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 PM
 To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com'
 Subject: Re: About to switch



 I don't know how you keep your since of humor after all this. I am quite
 angry that this happened to one of my customers, especially a good
 customer
 such as yourself. Try and have a good evening as well.
 --
 Sent using BlackBerry



 

 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 To: Morris, John
 Sent: Mon Aug 02 21:20:55 2010
 Subject: RE: About to switch

 Yes but over a month just to get an installer to show up for no more
 than
 half an hour is crazy.  We went live today and if I hadn’t of taken care
 of
 it myself we would have been dead in the water.  With the economy the
 way it
 is, we can ‘t take the risk of even one day with no one answering the
 phones.



 Think about it.  Moving a business from a location where people are used
 to
 seeing you for over 7 years (We’ve been in business for 11 years) and
 then
 no answer on the phone?  Makes it look like we closed for good and
 THAT’S
 the unacceptable thing.  A sense of urgency and continuity.  I really
 don’t
 see that with our vendors, not just you.



 I’m already stressed.  When we moved to our old location 7 years ago it
 went
 smooth.  This could have been a mess for the average business owner and
 a
 sure ending of their business.  We’re just lucky that we’ll risk
 breaking
 the law to make sure all systems are functional.



 We shouldn’t have to dig out used coax and connectors, crawl under a
 neighbors deck and connect into their TW drop without asking at seven in
 the
 morning..



 It’s not a personal thing, it’s about survival.  That’s what has made us
 winners and I’ll continue being outside that box regardless of the cost.
 Certainly there is a process over at TW that gets the install done and
 over.  Just push that panic button and it’s all good.  To be contacted
 to
 “schedule” an install after 30 days is insulting.  We just aren’t that
 important.  That’s the way it looks.



 I really shouldn’t have to deal with it any more than I had to deal with
 moving the electric service.  Done and done.



 I’ll be looking for boy tomorrow.  If he doesn’t show I’ll take the
 angle
 grinder to the lock on the TW box on the pole.   If arrested at least it
 will make good publicity!  (I’ll do it without a shirt, it makes for
 better
 TV)  HA!



 Trust me, I’m crazy enough to call the cops myself so it makes a scene.
 They are aware and in awe of my “I Don’t give a Shitness”.  Principal
 wins.







 Still laughing.  Too tired to do otherwise.





 Have a good night.



 Bob-













 From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com]
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:14 PM
 To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com'
 Subject: Re: About to switch



 Honestly Robert I'm doing everything I can that's why they finally
 contacted
 you today. I'm trying to get them out their first thing tomorrow. Again
 I
 apologize. Don't give up on me yet!
 --
 Sent using BlackBerry



 

 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
 To: Morris, John
 Sent: Mon Aug 02 19:17:50 2010
 Subject: About to switch

 John,



 If the Time Warner installer boy doesn’t show up tomorrow I’m having the
 phones switched back to ATT.  I just can’t deal with this crap.  In a
 business, the phones are number one but TW seems to have no sense of
 urgency
 even though we pay way more for phones than residential.  There is a
 price
 difference for a reason.  I have enough to deal with.



 Sorry.



 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.







 

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[WISPA] Bandwidth Sources.

2010-08-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your
bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It basically
addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through a
wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or
cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

2010-08-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of
how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE
connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business
class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of
using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I
can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little
over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they
will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get
blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed.

I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that
were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey
might give an idea of the ratio that are using them.

For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the
first option.

Here are the results so far:

1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting
your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide
backbone.

A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or
NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest,
Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public
addresses or you can use your own.
82.4%   28
Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or
home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user
account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring
usage policies of your provider).
2.9%1
Other (please specify)
14.7%   5
1.  a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as
(business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for
multi-residential use.
2.  Two separate Hosting Centers
3.  Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET
4.  we are our own provider with our own ip range
5.  Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23


2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or
other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most
of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned,
blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...?

1.  Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management
including CALEA
2.  The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10
first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per
Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and
we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP
for redundancy from there).

Thanks for participating guys.

Scottie Arnett

 We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center.

 We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate
 Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our
 rings of backhauls for complete redundancy.

 Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth
 and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on
 commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are
 using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways.

 And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome
 facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP
 space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy.

 They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs.

 -Original Message-
 From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
 Scottie Arnett
 Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM
 To: motor...@afmug.com
 Cc: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.

 I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your
 bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It
 basically
 addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through
 a
 wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or
 cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated.

 http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J


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Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
I agree with Fred on this. I have read many of his statements on
cybertelecom's email list. If you are an ISP, I strongly recommend that
you join it off of  http://www.cybertelecom.org/ 

Since around 2002, maybe a little earlier, at the time of The
Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill, the Congress, and the FCC pretty much did
away with line sharing or the ability for us(ISP's) to use any lines
provided by Ilec's( http://www.manymedia.com/futures/tauzding.html ).
After this it lead to the Triennial Review. All this finally leads to
the fact that the ILEC's do not even have to share their fiber.

Fred may not agree with me on this, but as far as I can see it, the FCC
and Congress have been out to do away with the small ISP's since around
2000. They have one agenda, that makes it even more sound is that in the
last few months, the FCC has now classified broadband as 4 meg down/1 meg
up. That not only has DE-classified many of the WISP as providing
broadband, but also the satellite providers, and many DSL systems.

I recently had an awakening, on the 2nd round BIP, that even though my
company had coverage in the same area as a Rural Telco(Twin Lakes
Telephone Cooperative) they could apply for BIP, but I could not because
they already had USDA funding as a Telco. Guess what? They received 16
million in grants and also received 16 million in low cost loans to
provide FTTH in my coverage area.

Call me what you will, but the FCC and everything behind them only want
the duopoly of cable and telco to deal with. We are just pissing in the
wind and it is why I have not joined WISPA yet. I may be missing the boat,
but I am waiting for WISPA to prove me wrong. I have seen beyond and
experienced beyond the norm. Show me something that I can have faith(and
provide financial incentives) in or I will stay exactly where I am at and
look for other income.

Scottie Arnett
Info-Ed, Inc.

 At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote:
Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions.

 As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers
 (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing.

 The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to
 hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors.



Brian


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling
 reason
to document and map your network coverage ever

I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I
cant even try to figure it out.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
  Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
 list.
I
  took particular note to the following statement:
 
 
 
  - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where
 at
  least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
 competitive
  provider that does not receive support
 
 
 
  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of
 a
  current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be
 eligibility
to
  receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have
 access
to
  many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage
 and
  Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a
 huge
  factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I
 cannot
  see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than
 this.
  Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming
 in
to
  your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
  currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a
  delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial
  revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We
 all
  know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low
 density
  markets.
 
 
 
  There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and
  foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next
 one
  should map their network with an accurate service area where you would
  confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including
 paying me
  to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating
 in
  your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state
 maps
  will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75%
  coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another
 verification
  source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for
someone
  to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas.
 
 
 
  One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will
 be
  required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though

Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever

2010-07-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
Exactly Patrick.

The rural telco's in my coverage area are getting those  per telephone
served. They are not going to give it up without a fight. The only
recourse would be to distribute USF funds across the providers providing
Internet access and Land line access. That will not happen.

Scottie

 You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that.
 Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates
 against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the
 only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the
 re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds
 exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services
 second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM
 To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most
 compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever

 Fred,
   That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby
 to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that
 delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to
 meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there
 are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go
 through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves
 with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose
 their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable.



 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com]
 Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM
 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling
 reason to document and map your network coverage ever

 At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote:
Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions.

 As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e.,
 cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing.

 The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to
 hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors.



Brian


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling
 reason
to document and map your network coverage ever

I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I
cant even try to figure it out.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster
bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote:
  Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee
 list.
I
  took particular note to the following statement:
 
 
 
  - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where
 at
  least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a
 competitive
  provider that does not receive support
 
 
 
  Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75%
 of a
  current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be
 eligibility
to
  receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have
 access
to
  many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage
 and
  Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be
 a
 huge
  factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I
 cannot
  see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than
 this.
  Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from
 coming
 in
to
  your service area, but it will also erode funding  for any Telco who
  currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as
 a
  delivery method to the forefront because there are then no
 artificial
  revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service.
 We
 all
  know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low
 density
  markets.
 
 
 
  There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First
 and
  foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required.
 Next
 one
  should map their network with an accurate service area where you
 would
  confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including
 paying
 me
  to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be
 participating
 in
  your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those
 state
 maps
  will become one of the major verification sources to establish the
 75%
  coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another
 verification
  source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for
someone
  to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage 

Re: [WISPA] IPPay

2010-07-23 Thread Scottie Arnett
Really? How do you have this setup Chris? We use Emerald also, but it is
v4.5, not the new one.

Scottie Arnett

 Emerald from IEA Software

    
 Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
 http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

 On 7/23/2010 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 I would like to see a list of things that are ready to use IPPay out of
 the box.

 We use it with Powercode.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
 mailto:d...@mvn.net wrote:



 On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:38, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need feedback on IPPay. -RickG


 If you have the in-house development expertise to talk to their API,
 it probably would be wonderful. We couldn't use it here, because our
 old (and proprietary) billing system doesn't support it, and after
 several months their promised authorize.net-compatible interfaces
 never showed up.

 David Smith
 MVN.net




 
 
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[WISPA] OT: Cellular Specialties(CSI) resellers or distributors.

2010-07-22 Thread Scottie Arnett
Are there any Cellular Specialties(CSI) resellers or distributors on the
lists? I need to ask some questions and get some quotes on their Cellular
Repeaters. I wanted to give a fellow WISP some business before I have to
call Tessco.

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Re: [WISPA] Has anyone used Mediacomm Fiber for their backbone?

2010-07-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
I hope they do. It seems crazy they painted the USA with a wide brush in
the contract. ATT is not within 90 miles of me. I can get ATT data
lines, but it goes through many local telco loops on the way here.

Scottie



 One of the cable companies I talked to a couple years ago said they
 couldn't resell to an ISP because of their contract with ATT forbid
 it.  They were working to get out from under that.

 Christine Montalvo

 Senior Data Account Executive

 Mediacom Enterprise Networks Group

 3737 Westown Parkway

 West Des Moines, Ia 50266

 Office:  515-246-2251

 Cell:  515-360-0015

 Email: cmonta...@mediacomcc.com mailto:cmonta...@mediacomcc.com

 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 7/20/2010 11:52 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 I have a connection to me across the state line that can be easily back
 hauled across the TN/KY line. In TN, the rural telco's rule the roost,
 and
 love to add on to the last mile charges . I have a tower that can easily
 reach into KY within 20 miles.

 Mediacomm has a tower within 16 miles that I can reach. I have asked
 them
 to price me bandwidth on fiber to their tower in KY, and the price to
 locate my back haul on their tower(their tower is almost 500' tall, so I
 can almost pick my area on that tower, if they allow). Have any of you
 guy's or gal's dealt with Mediacomm before?

 The problem is that I can't get a bandwidth quote, much less a tower
 quote
 out of them! I contacted them with a question of fiber availability and
 quickly got a response. Once I told them I was an ISP and wanted to
 back-haul it across the TN/KY border, everything went to a stand still.
 They had no problem quoting me bandwidth on fiber with a KY address
 about
 a year before. I also told them that I was an ISP in TN and my whole
 intentions of back hauling it.

 I am at a standstill with dealing with Mediacomm. Their pricing a few
 years ago, was much less than what I am paying now. I have repeatedly
 emailed the contact, and she has gotten back to me once in the last 2
 months. The reply back was that she had been on vacation the week before
 and she was still awaiting pricing from the higher ups. She also told
 me
 the tower crew wanted to talk to me about what I wanted to mount on the
 tower...I told her the number to contact me at almost 2 weeks ago, and
 have not heard from them either.

 I guess my question is, have any of you dealt with Mediacomm before,
 and
 is my situation usual...or unusual?

 Scottie



 
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Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?

2010-07-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
I am paying close to $1200/mth here for 6 Mbit on metro-e. Located at
middle TN/KY border.

Scott

 100meg metro e is running 3000.00 here.

 On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote:

  Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my
  business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could
  order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so.
 
  Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without
  huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3.
  I managed to get around it because otherwise ATT would have had to
  install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep
  offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install.
  But you may not be that fortunate.
 
  I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up
  to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to
  needing t3 type capacity.

 What are you paying for your DS3?  We are nearing the point of moving
 to OC3's at both locations and the loops are outrageous.  This is on
 ATT as well.

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Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue

2010-07-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
This is the chip on the NS2:


http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/492238-ic-txrx-phy-10-100-2-5v-48-ssop-ksz8721b.html


or

 http://www.newark.com/micrel/ksz8721b/transceiver-ic/dp/27K7644 

Scottie

 Any inf on where to get the ethernet chip?  I have more than a box full
 of NS2's with bad ethernet ports.

 Julius Igugu
 Webcenta Wireless.

 On 7/15/2010 12:55 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
 Those that we have had the Ethernet go dead, but the wireless still
 works, we replace the Ethernet chip on and they work fine.  Since
 using shielded CAT5E, we have not lost any radios that had shielded
 cable and a Ubiquti PoE supply.  If we lose one and it has unshielded
 wire, then we replace the wire with shielded wire and the radio with a
 repaired radio (or a new radio if we do not currently have a repaired
 radio).

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

 I've had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using
 them).
 One doesn't turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethernet
 link/activity (powers on, wireless works).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com
 wrote:

 I have a box full of them that have the same issue.  Ben told me to
 use
 shielded cable for client installs.
 Not that I haven't had a MT get hit a time or 2 but it seems every
 time I
 see a cloud in the sky I loose an ns2.
 Hopefully they'll get this fixed but for now I'm sticking with the
 $130 MT
 CPE over the ns2.

 Jim


 On 7/14/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 I had that a week or two ago.  Michael asked me to just go ahead and
 RMA -
 I did.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com
 wrote:

 Yes powered up and working fine from wireless side, no link on
 Ethernet

 Mark McElvy


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue

 Is the unit still powering up from the POE ??



 And you just can't talk to it?







 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue



 Curious if other have seen issue with bad Ethernet ports on NS2's. I
 have a customer with a strange setup and he has blown the Ethernet
 port
 on 3 NS2's so far. Setup is a PS2/Client to the Internet  on a 50ft
 mast
 on a hillside, Ethernet runs 150ft down a hill to power and is
 plugged
 into a NS2 in AP mode transmitting down the hill to the house where
 there is another NS2 as a client to the NS2 on the hill. The issue is
 with the AP/NS2 up the hill keeps blowing the Ethernet port. It is on
 a
 10ft Ethernet cable and the LAN ports of the two POE's (NS2/AP and
 PS2/Client to the Internet) are connected together with a crossover.
 Any
 thoughts on why just this one radio would blow the ether port?



 Mark McElvy


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Re: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job?

2010-07-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
Yes, here is a snippet of my emails to them:

 RUS has no requirement that awardees offer service to resellers.  The
companies are still responsible for compliance with any applicable FCC
or
 State requirements on this issue, if any.
 Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative
 Rural Development
 U.S. Department of Agriculture
 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417
 Phone: 612.721.6432 | Fax: 612.721.6432 |Mobile: 859.533.0334
 www.rurdev.usda.gov
 Committed to the future of rural communities
 Estamos dedicados al futuro de las comunidades rurales
 -Original Message-
 From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com]
 Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:29 PM
 To: Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN
 Subject: RE: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA Ok.
Thank you for the clarification. We would not have been able to
apply
 anyway then.
 Will they be required to allow other companies to resell the service on
this fiber?
 Scottie Arnett
 President
 Info-Ed, Inc.

 Really?  I think they have to allow you access to any middle mile
 projects.

 The fix was really in on this.  What a scam.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job?


 Yea, I asked the USDA about the selling part. They said that they did
 not
 have to let us resell the service in any way or form. So I am not sure
 how
 to take the selling part?

 Scottie

 That's actually pretty normal under RUS grants and loans Scottie.

 THEY will only loan to one company in one area.

 YOU can still build your business in any way you choose, just not with
 RUS
 money.

 Yeah, it sucks.  I've lived with that in some of my areas for a long
 time.

 The great news here is that the telco is still the telco and people
 still
 hate them.  AND the consumer is still ditching land lines in favor of
 wireless technologies of all kinds (sat. TV, cell phone, wireless
 broadband
 etc.).

 It is a GREAT time to be alive in the WISP industry!  We're still
 growing,
 our profitability is up (though that's going to change soon as I have
 to
 hire another person sometime in the next year or two) etc.  AND,
 with
 the rollups of so many smaller telco's the service from the big
 companies
 has REALLY dropped off.  Driving more and more customers in my
 direction.

 Life is different now, but it's not all bad.  Did you notice the string
 in
 funding that says that they HAVE to sell to you at competitive rates?
 big
 grin  The silver lining here might include cheaper upstream
 connectivity
 for
 you.

 Time will tell
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
 To: motor...@afmug.com
 Cc: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:26 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job?


 Well, it is finalized. My main competition, and backbone supplier, has
 received round 2 BIP funding: 
 http://www.lightwaveonline.com/fttx/news/Round-2-of-broadband-stimulus-kicks-of-with-more-fiber-funding-97678969.html
 Look for Twin Lakes telephone.  About 6 months ago, my 2nd biggest
 competitor got it:
 http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html  Look at
 January
 25, 2010.

 Now for the RANT! In round 2 BIP, no other competitor could apply
 against
 a provider that was already receiving USDA funding. WTF is this deal?
 The
 USDA and FCC(with the rural exemption act)has provided Twin Lakes
 Telephone a protected telephone coverage area for over 50 years! Now
 they just handed them a monopoly on Internet service in my area?

 I give up?! WTF else can I do? The Obama-n-screw-u administration has
 screwed yet another business death coffin. Not only has it screwed us
 on
 our wireless ISP, but it has screwed the cable company and many
 satellite
 providers in the area. Do not think for a second that companies
 getting
 funding for FTTH, will not also be offering TV! Being as remote as we
 are,
 we have many, many satellite customers in the area.

 I preached this same blog to the USDA before they funded our
 competitor.
 Did not help a bit. I just pray for the rest of you guys that you do
 not
 have to go against this. I am sure they would have eventually done it
 anyway, but I would hope that it would have not been competition
 against
 my own money that I had paid in on taxes.

 Scottie Arnett
 President  chief custodian
 Info-Ed, Inc.



 
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2010-07-14 Thread Scottie Arnett
Well, it is finalized. My main competition, and backbone supplier, has
received round 2 BIP funding: 
http://www.lightwaveonline.com/fttx/news/Round-2-of-broadband-stimulus-kicks-of-with-more-fiber-funding-97678969.html
 Look for Twin Lakes telephone.  About 6 months ago, my 2nd biggest
competitor got it:
http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html  Look at January
25, 2010.

Now for the RANT! In round 2 BIP, no other competitor could apply against
a provider that was already receiving USDA funding. WTF is this deal? The
USDA and FCC(with the rural exemption act)has provided Twin Lakes
Telephone a protected telephone coverage area for over 50 years! Now
they just handed them a monopoly on Internet service in my area?

I give up?! WTF else can I do? The Obama-n-screw-u administration has
screwed yet another business death coffin. Not only has it screwed us on
our wireless ISP, but it has screwed the cable company and many satellite
providers in the area. Do not think for a second that companies getting
funding for FTTH, will not also be offering TV! Being as remote as we are,
we have many, many satellite customers in the area.

I preached this same blog to the USDA before they funded our competitor.
Did not help a bit. I just pray for the rest of you guys that you do not
have to go against this. I am sure they would have eventually done it
anyway, but I would hope that it would have not been competition against
my own money that I had paid in on taxes.

Scottie Arnett
President  chief custodian
Info-Ed, Inc.




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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

2010-07-12 Thread Scottie Arnett
Not a pro or con on DD-WRT, but it is a very functional piece of software.
I have been running it on my Linksys WRT54GL for 3 or 4 years. It supports
DDNS, VLANS, VLAN tagging, Bridging, Wireless( setting all parameters),
MAC radius Client, Wireless Security(WEP, ALL WPA, Radius) MAC filters,
WDS, ... hell much more than I care to comment on. Load it on a cheap
router(http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices) and see
what you think. For Free, it gives 'TIK a hell of a run for the money.

Scottie

 On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:24, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

  No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT thing
 with Linksys and Buffalo routers.  The Buffalo worked better long term.
 I
 probably did it with 20 units total.

 Everyone has anecdotal evidence for/against their favorite hardware, so
 no
 problem. I've had good luck with WRT54GLs (the L is important, the WRT54G
 is
 now a different and much less useful device), others have had better luck
 with other gear, it's all good. :)


 Isn’t DD-WRT used for commercial purposes a pay as you go deal?

 The developers do offer paid support, but the software itself is (AFAIK)
 all
 GPL'd.



 Sometimes when you flash the DD-WRT code, and for unknown reason, you
 end
 up bricking the unit.  They even say so in their Wiki.  There has to be
 a
 cheap, easy to use, reliable alternative that doesn’t require
 re-flashing
 and fussing.


 Again, I've never run into that problem, and we've probably done this a
 couple hundred times over the years.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

2010-07-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
That's fantastic...please post the URL when done.

Scott

   I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
 setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.

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 On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
 You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
 database like mysql.

 David Blood


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 Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
 Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

 We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
 slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
 months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
 into our current customer base.

 I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
 just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
 on x86 hardware?

 Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
 to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.

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Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3967613380941633039#

Scottie

 Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd
 use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet
 of
 me the first time I use it)  I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool
 that will let a person (Or corporation)  push low voltage cable down below
 the sod.  I have a design in mind but if there is already something out
 there I'd like to see it.  Yeah, to buy it or maybe rip them off and make
 my
 own from how theirs look...  It's a thing..  Anyhow, I normally take a
 shovel and make a slit in the sod and stuff the cable down in it but doing
 a
 100+ foot run can make your day less fun than it already was.



 Anyone using any human powered tool (Other than a shovel or paying some
 kid
 20 bucks to do it for you) to bury cable?



 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
The 7.5% comes back in on self-employment tax. That is the social security
tax on the self-employed.

Scottie

 But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on
 social security taxes...

 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson
 jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

 Tom,

 I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than
 employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it
 began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a
 good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through
 payroll taxes.

 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 wrote:
 Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp?

 Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making
 money
 or investing in money.
 If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove
 cash by
 paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own
 money,
 which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole
 owner of
 a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day
 anything
 you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return
 anyways.
 But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each
 entity,
 and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so
 the
 least amount of tax paid upfront.
 If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is
 making
 money, and you need money monthly to live,  you may have no choice but
 to
 take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need
 it,
 which is every month.  Where as, if you live off another income source,
 you
 may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the
 company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders,
 as
 Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time
 spent, before recognizing company profits.
 I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It
 much
 cleaner that way for my situation.
 However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing
 credit
 for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical
 monthly income.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes


 Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp?

 On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It
 provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also
 allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a
 sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.).

 Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only
 ones that can give you exact information.

 Travis
 Microserv

 RickG wrote:
 Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but
 I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm
 curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business
 as
 a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering
 switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem
 worth all the hassle.
 Thanks!

 On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:

 I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at
 once,
 other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for
 deductions and what the equipment is.

 Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is
 really
 good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a
 good
 one.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes



 Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as
 to
 what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not
 look
 at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly
 now
 than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 wrote:

 This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some
 of
 our
 equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on
 what
 tax
 breaks you need now vs. later.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:

 Everyone's favorite subject :)

 I'm getting mixed information 

[WISPA] Inconsistencies in BIP Round 2 rules.

2010-06-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
What do you guys make of the following discussion? How can they state one
thing in the NOFA, and then put something different on their website? If
it is in fact true, that the NOFA did not state this, should the whole
mess be started over? I am looking in the NOFA, but not finding the
mention of ...provided the existing RUS borrower is providing service at
768 Kbps/200 Kbps or higher..

I guess that I am being sort of a sore loser, but we did not file based on
the NOFA saying, The existing service areas of RUS borrowers in which
they provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding.

Scottie

 Original Message 
Subject: RE: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA
From:Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Date:Fri, June 4, 2010 11:18 am
To:  Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN anthony.tind...@wdc.usda.gov
--

Thank you for your response. It is odd that I do find this statement on
your website: Changes in the NOFA for this round of funding do not allow
funds to go into areas which were: 1) funded by either BIP or BTOP in the
first round, and 2) funded by the RUS Broadband or Infrastructure programs
(provided the existing RUS borrower is providing service at 768 Kbps/200
Kbps or higher) but I did not see the ...provided the existing RUS
borrower is providing service at 768 Kbps/200 Kbps or higher... in the
NOFA. Can you point me to where it states this in the NOFA? We did not
apply based on the statement, The existing service areas of RUS borrowers
in which they provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding.
There will be much controversy raised over these inconsistencies from my
company and many others.

Scottie Arnett
President
Info-Ed, Inc.

 It is acceptable for RUS borrowers to request funds to upgrade facilities
 within their existing exchange boundaries/service areas, as long as less
 than 50% of the rural premises located within their PFSA(s) have access to
 5Mbps broadband service, and all other eligibility requirements are met.
 In this case, I'm assuming their DSL service does not meet the 5Mbps
 threshold.  Rest assured however, we will be checking.

 Thanks for your prompt response.

 Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative
 Rural Development
 U.S. Department of Agriculture
 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417
 Phone: 612.721.6432 | Fax: 612.721.6432 |Mobile: 859.533.0334
 www.rurdev.usda.gov

 Committed to the future of rural communities
 Estamos dedicados al futuro de las comunidades rurales


 -Original Message-
 From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com]
 Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:44 PM
 To: Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN
 Subject: Re: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA

 I am sorry about that, I misunderstood the instructions. We are not
 serving the unserved area's either, I had mistakenly understood it to
 say providing a 768K speed in the proposed area. They already have DSL in
 over 90+ percent of clay county.

 If you look a little further they are a rural telco that is already
 receiving grants/loans from the USDA and they already offer broadband via
 DSL and have been for over 5 years. My understanding and a question to the
 USDA about this...is that they are ineligible from applying from the BIP 2
 rules? As are many others around my area that applied for Round 2 BIP
 anyway. Do you have any information on this matter?

 From BIP NOFA: The existing service areas of RUS borrowers in which they
 provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding. The
 communities where these service areas are located can be found by using
 the Community Search Tool available at
 http://mappingtool.broadbandusa.gov. In addition, the service areas of
 awardees under the first round BIP/BTOP combined NOFA are also ineligible
 for BIP funding; as these are awarded, these service areas will be
 identified on a map available at http://mappingtool.broadbandusa.gov.


 Scottie Arnett
 President
 Info-Ed, Inc.

 Mr. Arnett,

 Attached is a map and a census block list, along with your Public Notice
 Response (PNR) filed in conjunction with an ARRA BIP Round 2 application
 submitted by Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative Corporation in the
 Celina-Moss Proposed Funded Service Area (PFSA).  In the PNR, Info-Ed,
 Inc. claims to provide access to broadband service to households (HH) in
 the unserved layer of the PFSA.  However, there was no polygon drawn
 using
 the mapping tool, and in the same PNR Info-Ed, Inc. states that there
 are
 actually 0 HH and 0 business establishments capable of receiving
 broadband
 service in the PFSA.  Could you please provide an explanation of the
 discrepancy in numbers in your PNR?

 Thanks,

 Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative
 Rural Development
 U.S. Department of Agriculture
 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417
 Phone

Re: [WISPA] taxes

2010-06-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
As a PC auditor for a rather large customer, this customer is doing over
$10 million in revenue per year, their PAID accountants recommend that
anything less than a $1,000 be expenses and anything over be depreciated.
Their accountants are from a VERY large accountant firm, but anyways, you
can take that with a grain of salt.

BTW, I am under a NDA.

Scottie

 AFAIK, our business is very typical for a small WISP. Some further
 background: For the past few years, I've had a good friend do our
 taxes. He is a Comptroller for a large company and has become too busy
 to continue. Hence, the reason for my new concerns in my search for a
 good CPA. Apparently, I'm just running into very conservative CPA's.
 My friend who owned a WISP at one time disagrees with these CPA's and
 says he would continue to expense it. I'm just looking for some
 support to the idea.
 Thanks to all for your comments! -RickG

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
 wrote:
 I figured there was some thing behind your question.. I know , below you
 are conveying what a CPA is telling you... but I think there is some
 context missing here

 I am not a CPA, so I am also going to using some simple language to put
 some context arround this..
 Most of us who are replying back to you about expensing purchases are
 referring to what is knows as 'Section 179 Expense'

 Best Explanation is from the IRS it self...
 http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=177054,00.html
 Needless to say there are some 'stipulations' for 'qualifying
 businesses'.

 I would be very much interested to hear / know the reasoning behind what
 the CPA's are telling you. While I agree that all Government
 Entities Local/State or Federal are desperately looking for money, but
 that does not come at the expense of a 'reversal' of what an existing
 law at will by an agency or it's workers.  There has to be some basis
 for it ..

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 6/3/2010 4:52 PM, RickG wrote:
 Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always
 believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm
 getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how
 the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in
 desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is
 no more!
 I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that
 ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated -
 expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS.
 My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law,
 that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS
 options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer
 to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their
 equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for
 an industry standard.
 -RickG

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net
  wrote:

 I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about
 What Travis shared with you is accurate

 As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does
 not
 dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the
 scope
 of the Law

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet    Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


 On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote:

 Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to
 what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look
 at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly
 now
 than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong.

 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  
  wrote:


 This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of
 our
 equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what
 tax
 breaks you need now vs. later.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:


 Everyone's favorite subject :)

 I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want
 to
 know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are
 you
 expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios
 (AP
 CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc.
 With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much
 sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any
 WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason?

 Thanks in advance! -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband

2010-05-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
This is in no way way to put your responses down JP...but in almost all
your responses you have responded as a WISP that is making money

 Yes, I expect USF money to be used as bait in how this plays out.

SNIP

 I see no reason to have permanent USF subsidy. It is money down the toilet
 over the long
 run and a tax that seriously hinders people's ability to afford
 communications services.
 A big part of current USF money goes to switching which I see as an
 antiquated
 hierarchy where small rural towns have their own switch, with all it's
 maintenance and
 support. With the advent of cheap high capacity fiber created by ARRA
 projects and
 private upgrades, smaller digital switches, wholesale access to switch
 partitions, and
 VOIP, there is no technical reason to permanently subsidize modern
 distributed
 switching. If permanent support for switching were tapered off, the
 rural phone
 companies could find cheaper ways to do voice switching. The cellcos
 almost all have
 some sort of architecture where all their sites in the state go back to
 single
 state-wide switches. When not used for switching, permanent USF pays for
 monopoly
 infrastructure that discourages rural competition by irrationally priced
 services.


The current USF charges are a tax as you put it in high density areas on
telco charges. That is used to give rural telcos money to build out and
sustain telephone coverage to very under served(remote areas...like 10-20
houses per square mile).

The current plan on USF is to only let one entity have access to this. If
you have any competitor that is an ILEC or CLEC, you can pretty much kiss
your luck of getting this good by! It would put too much work on an
already understaffed FCC, and they already favor telcos over anything
else.

 A tax rebate would be highly preferable to USF, as it would be a reduction
 in taxation
 rather than an increase in taxation. Either way, non-permanent support is
 the only thing
 I can advocate.

 I like the idea of non-permanent support for unserved/underserved areas.
 My state's
 ConnectME fund is looking at a one-time ISP payment (per customer) to
 support high-cost
 installations to unserved locations. The details of how much and under
 what conditions
 are undecided, but it would address the high CPE/installation costs that
 plague
 broadband expansion and would not cause long term dependence on
 government. This would
 be an alternative to the present system of government funded
 infrastructure projects.
 This would be less apt to stir a hornets nest of capitalism versus
 government funded
 project overbuilding, which is more and more apt to happen.


Considering past tax rebates, or credits, to take full advantage would
require that you are way in the black. This would help newer WISP
somewhat, but most are in the red from the beginning. It would definitely
help sustained WISP's that have been at it for a few years.

Scottie

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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]

2010-04-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
A-Men, all this $hit started years ago and I do not know if a Democrat or 
Republican was in office when it started. All I know is that the FCC has been 
behind the big guys for at least close to 10 years or longer! Time for a change.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net
Reply-To: fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:43:13 -0400

I don't have a problem with what you have stated... however your first 
sentence is rather in-accurate...

The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
associated agencies which deeply affect our business,

Ask any of the Wireline Service Providers, they will tell you things 
started many years ago... what you are seeing is the result of actions 
taken by the previous administration...

If you state your message as in Hey the Gov has been moving in a 
direction that is going to put us on the short end of the stick.. I am 
sure you are not going to get much argument... and also be prepared to 
answer the next question...What should we be doing about it ?

I don't know if your are doing this on purpose or without realizing... 
when you start attributing what is happening now to the current 
administration then guess what Pal.. you are showing up pretty late 
to the party

Throwing tantrums about politics on the list, is what most folks get 
annoyed with While, Stating facts about a bill that has been passed, 
and about what obligations it produces on all of us in the years down 
the road is valid and valuable info..presenting it as a 'we are 
getting snookerd by the current folks in charge', is like crying over 
split milk.

Go back and look at the FCC for the past 12 years, and one cannot help 
realize that they have never been 'friends' of the smaller service 
providers, weather it was Republicans in charge or Democrats. 
Republicans have clearly demonstrated, that they like to support Big Business 
who give them a lot of money and promise them cushy jobs after 
they get out of office... The Democrats tend to look thru thier Rose 
colored glasses, on behalf of the people, as if they know what is good 
for them. 

Guess what.. if you are a small business, service provider, you get screwed 
either way...

Want to convert your frustrations into action ? go make Trips to DC and 
give your favorite representative an earful.

Faisal  

-- Original Message --
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:13:21 -0700

The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and 
associated agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our 
ability to even BE in business is definitely of no concern when it comes 
to us as wireless operators.

Got it. 

And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT 
stop the waves from crashing over you.  

This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term 
ability to remain in business, feed ourselves, etc.   Yet, it is 
bothersome to you all? 

I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or 
license-lite or even the best networking standards and construction 
standards are all important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we 
experience a global version of Greece and Portugal's recent little 
debacles.Do you know how far we are from it?Inches.   Literally.
The United States government has a lower credit rating than a number of 
large financial firms.If you do not comprehend what that means, and 
how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE political change happen 
IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark.   

This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little 
more than each of us sharing our collapse story.   

How that can possibly be separated from business, and we're all in 
business is... well, it cannot be.  Either we become political, or we 
all suffer. 

Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most 
importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out 
of everything else, too. 

If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no 
attention, then you deserve the consequences.  

But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little 
gray matter, nor does anyone else.   As businesspeople, WE ARE 
supposedly the leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between 
business and politics at this moment.   Business IS politics, as the 
politicians have decided to control business and the economy.   I don't 
care if you don't like it.   I don't care if you want to pretend you can 
ignore it.   I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but 
unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a 
business, we'll have none.   

I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did 

Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

2010-04-29 Thread Scottie Arnett
To start out with, I have heard nothing but bad news about Super Pass. I have 
never used them, so I am NOT speaking from experience. I am also a 80% or more 
Canopy shop...so take that as you will. For Canopy, I have used 120 degree 
H-pol Tiltek sectors...they work !@@@!...@!@ great! But they are expensive 
I am one to buy the close to what I think is best first and worry about the 
consequences later. I sleep better.

Now in your situation, the Super Pass may work great? The only 900 Mhz I have 
used is Canopy. Canopy supposedly has the magic sauce of GPS timing. On the 
Tiltek sectors, with Canopy, I have customers out to 10.5 miles away and could 
have further but that is the the MAX AP distance that is set on my Moto 900 
AP's.

If you are trying to go PTP, I can offer you some suggestions on things much 
cheaper. If you are going to try PtMP, my suggestion will be Canopy unless you 
expect less than 20 subs.

Scott 

-- Original Message --
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:02:10 -0400

I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s).  
Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to 
buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great.  I've done 
the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal 
for 2 to 4 miles.  Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the 
CPEs.

I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so 
it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's 
deserved.

Thanks.

Bob-

The cheap SOB






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Re: [WISPA] New WISP

2010-04-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as possible.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700

LOL  This should be good.

Think 1001 ways to skin a cat..

First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do.

WHERE will the system be located?  Cincinnati or elsewhere?

In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town?

What is the geography like there?  Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what kind) 
etc.?

What services do you wish to offer?  Best effort DSL grade, Leased line 
replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.?

What kind of a budget do you have?  $500, $5000, $50,000?

Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you need 
web, mail and billing systems etc.)?

Lets start with that.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New WISP


 Hi all,

 We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying
 to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks.

 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate

 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment



 We would love to here your thoughts.



 Any input would be much appreciated! :-)





 
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Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

2010-04-21 Thread Scottie Arnett

 1889.

That's a damn good hard drive.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400

I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works.  From 1889.  What use it 
has, I just dunno.


- Original Message - 
From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives


 Quantum bigfoot sheesh.  I actually had one come in here less than a year
 ago.  Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned
 on.  Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum
 Bigfoot in it by the sound.  I got a free lunch.   At least you didn't say
 the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time
 as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get
 it started.

 The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins.  I sold it in
 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the
 attached pictures hard drive
 376 Meg Total price $6859.00  Those were the days.

 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and
 Quantum fireball drives.  But that was when I lived in a parallel
 universe.

 I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
 well
 behaved.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...

 Every component is subject to failure.

 I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.

 Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines...
 Samsung ram - feels like its all doa


 On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Has anyone had a CPU go bad?  I've never once seen this.

 I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 
 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting  937-552-2340  end_of_the_skype_highlighting
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
 that counts.
 --- Winston Churchill


 On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components
 rather
 than the OEM.  3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5
 years
 on the hard drive, etc.  If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the
 bad
 one.  But that very rarely happens anyhow.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles Hooper
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these.
 Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to
 becoming Value-Added Resellers.

 Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with
 HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being
 able
 to hold someone else accountable.

 Regards,
 Charles


 Mike Hammett wrote:
 How can you be a system builder anymore?

 I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the
 low
 quality ones to justify the support...  but then Dell's $400 desktop
 will
 work just fine for many people for 5 years.  The only market I've
 found
 for
 system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom
 one-off
 applications.  I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less
 than
 $600, then you have to add Windows, etc.

 I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or...
 is
 significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc.  often to the point
 where
 after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a
 distributor.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives


 As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18
 years. I built over 200 systems last year.  I had 2 I had to RMA. I
 

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Scottie Arnett
TN did not ask for customer addresses.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:59:53 -0400

Brian,

 

I am aware of the following:

 

. Ohio  Contact:  ConnectOhio  Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org]

. Michigan  Contact:  ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes
[te...@tholmes.net]

. Oregon  Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com]

. Pennsylvania  Contact: Diane Lizambri [dlizam...@deltaone.com]

. Florida  Contact:  ConnectFlorida

. Illinois  Contact:  ConnectIllinois

. Nebraska 

. Alaska  Contact:  ConnectAlaska

. Iowa  Contact:  ConnectIowa

. Kansas  Contact:  ConnectKansas

. Minnesota  Contact:  ConnectMinnesota

. Nevada  Contact:  ConnectNevada

. South Carolina  Contact:  ConnectSouthCarolina

. Tennessee  Contact:  ConnectedTennessee

. Texas  Contact:  ConnectedTexas

. Mississippi  Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com]

. South Dakota  Contact: Brian Scaffidi
[brian.scaff...@broadmap.com]

. Montana   Contact:  Montana Department of Commerce

. Utah   Contact: Utah Public Service Commission (PSC)

. New Hampshire  Contact: University of New Hampshire (UNH)

 

There may be others active that I haven't heard of yet.  I'm sure other
people will chime in and hopefully fill in some contact names and email
addresses.

 

Thanks,

Rick Harnish

 

 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

 Behalf Of Brian Webster

 Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM

 To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org

 Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

 

 To All;

 

 My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list

 of the

 states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer

 addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping

 track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward

 that

 directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to

 express

 our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly

 conference

 calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process

 along.

 

 

 

 

 

 Thank You,

 

 Brian Webster

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Scottie Arnett
Michael,

Do you have a link to the firmware? It is not listed at their website.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:12:14 -0400

Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you 
upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums.

Regards
Michael Baird
 I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working
 great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but
 poor signal, dropped packets,  low throughput. Replacing them with
 regular units fix the issue. What gives?

 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com  wrote:

 After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and
 the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated
 antenna series.  We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of
 them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where
 distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem.  We
 just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some
 short range backhauls.

 Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we
 set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at
 -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night.
 Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to
 install the other one.  It would not see or connect to the other Nano
 Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more
 generous 5.7/8 frequency range.  Gradually turning off the WDS, then the
 WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary
 beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a
 pretty foul mood over the new gear.  I'm about to RMA all of it and go
 back to just bullets and Rockets.

 Forbes


 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
No problem.

We really need this spectrum, as was the reason for my ramblings on the 
cybertelecom list about Rhetoric on Comcast vs. ATT. All they were talking 
about was the duoply and how the FCC is going to go before Congress so they 
have the authority to treat all ISP's as telcos. I was trying to make the point 
that (1) the FCC needs to realize there are other ISP's out there besides cable 
companies and telcos, and (2) To not auction off the whitespace spectrum 
because it will just end up in the hands of the duoply.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Date:  Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:30:49 -0400

Scottie that is a great link.  Thankyou

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC


This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking 
for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:51:26 -0400

I probably wont get to it today, but I'll find the google earth overlay that
I had that showed it, and post it to the list shortly.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC


 Tom,

 Could you give us a hint how we would find this info?

 Randy

 It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel
 availabilty
 in their areas, and determine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their
 territory or not.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC



 I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct.
 Every
 television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated
 with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in
 the
 VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF
 channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue
 but
 not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF
 channels would require more forward error correction to provide high
 quality
 service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have
 coverage
 to 100% of my potential customer base.
 John Scrivner


 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com  wrote:


 Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What
 channel
 width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF
 band
 of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to
 clock
 the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
 customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through
 trees
 and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?

 The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your
 penetration
 (800 Mhz).

 Someone enlighten me here.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

 Awesome report!  Thanks.
 Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
 turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS
 rural
 market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse
 any
 channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some
 of
 the
 discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna
 would
 look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is
 by
 necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
 frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built
 to
 blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes
 to
 pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting  239.770.6203   
end_of_the_skype_highlighting
 m...@aweiowa.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett

This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking 
for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:51:26 -0400

I probably wont get to it today, but I'll find the google earth overlay that 
I had that showed it, and post it to the list shortly.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC


 Tom,

 Could you give us a hint how we would find this info?

 Randy

 It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel 
 availabilty
 in their areas, and determine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their
 territory or not.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC



 I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct.
 Every
 television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated
 with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in
 the
 VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF
 channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue 
 but
 not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF
 channels would require more forward error correction to provide high
 quality
 service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have
 coverage
 to 100% of my potential customer base.
 John Scrivner


 On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com  wrote:


 Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work.  What 
 channel
 width are you going to need to have a usable system.  I mean in the VHF
 band
 of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to 
 clock
 the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving
 customers more bandwidth and faster service.  Yes it would cut through
 trees
 and I would love it.  But at 2-3X dialup speed?

 The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your 
 penetration
 (800 Mhz).

 Someone enlighten me here.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

 Awesome report!  Thanks.
 Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a
 turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS
 rural
 market.  At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse
 any
 channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense.  I know some 
 of
 the
 discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna 
 would
 look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so.  A TV antenna is
 by
 necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of
 frequencies.  A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built 
 to
 blend with the aesthetics of a home or business.  Heck, if this comes 
 to
 pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 Mike Gilchrist
 Disruptive Technologist
 Advanced Wireless Express
 P.O. Box 255
 Toledo, IA   52342
 239.770.6203 
 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting  239.770.6203  end_of_the_skype_highlighting
 m...@aweiowa.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

 This is a great report good job guys and thank you.

 Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from your
 posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to
 right.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
 To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

 Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA
 Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of
 Engineering
 and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C.
 to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.

 The following 

Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
Yep, same here. Much smaller than you: 
http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html

They had already built out FTH on all the areas we cover. They also asked for 
money to expand out into areas already covered by Comcast and what they already 
covered with slower speeds(Comcast disputed), which I think is not right! The 
BBS is bunch of freaking bull, without the real investigations into this...But 
I digress, In the FCC, no-one exist but the cable and the telco companies? It 
is a duoploy and it is not going to be changed anytime soon, I hope I am wrong!

Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:02:05 -0600

Hi,

So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money 
will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade 
their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and 
upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes 
per second.

The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers. 
That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot, 
Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4 
or 5 provider choices.

Let the waste begin :(

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste

2010-04-08 Thread Scottie Arnett

I am behind on reading the messages, so I am behind. 
http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html This company had 
already built out FTTH in our service area. They had also received protest from 
Comcast in their proposed area. It did not affect anything! Comcast is offering 
3X NCTC's bandwidth until this order. One thing you will find surprising is 
that the former General Manager of North Central was Thomas Rowland and 
Director F. Thomas Rowland was
named Secretary-Treasurer http://www.rtfc.coop/information/pdf/CC_spring03.pdf. 
AND http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html AND 
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html. WTF?

Scott




-- Original Message --
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:22:30 -0400

Way to go Matt!

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com 
wrote:
 I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and
 none of them were funded.

 Protest long and protest often.   From what I have seen so far, most of
 the frivolous projects have been rejected handily.   Don't get all
 worked up about the waste until it finally comes to pass.   It was
 pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot
 of stupid, wasteful applications.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com


 On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 Insert explicatives here


 Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer.

 Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? Who can do X users for the lowest 
 $
 I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what
 those new users
 will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have
 applies for my area, I
 manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS 
 about
 upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. Not 
 good


 On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net  wrote:

 Hi,

 So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money
 will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade
 their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and
 upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes
 per second.

 The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers.
 That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER.

 Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot,
 Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4
 or 5 provider choices.

 Let the waste begin :(

 Travis
 Microserv




 
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Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
Makes me think of the Blue Man Group, lol.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:45:28 -0500

If it was the pipe, wouldn't the tone be a single tone?  It goes up and down
in scale and makes what sounds like 4 notes.  Even with the lasso at the top
to stabilize the stick, the antenna does bow a bit in the wind and that's
when the tone changes.  If I put more of those lassos down the antenna to
stabilize it, would it stop?  Maybe if it IS the pvc I'd have an 8 part
tune!

The poly rope goes through the PVC and is knotted.  Do you think enough air
still goes by it to make a tune?

Mike

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Hooper
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

Have you tried plugging the ends of the PVC to see if the sound 
subsides? If you're lucky, it's not the antenna but the sound of the 
wind passing through the pipe (it sounds like it gets windy up there!)

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Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

2010-03-31 Thread Scottie Arnett
Yea, I learned my lesson. I now use 7.5dB Omni's with downtilt.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:58:08 -0600

Can't say how many times I posted on different lists warning about 15 
dBi omnis. It is next to impossible to make a 15 dBi omni with any 
usable elevation beamwidth at all - electrical downtilt or not. 12 dBi 
is pretty much the maximum and at that you will be lucky to see anything 
over a degree on the elevation pattern. Having been in the antenna 
business before and with a partner who made a career out of designing 
antennas, I can tell you that we would never use an omni greater than 10 
dBi for any application.

On 3/31/2010 8:39 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 lol

 Yeah, it sucks.  Really the vendors that sell those configs are the ones
 that we should all avoid like the plague.  Then BOTH companies would go away
 sooner than later.

 Anyone remember Hyperlink?  They loved to sell those 1 watt amps with 15dB
 omni antennas.  Those guys put more operators out of business than there are
 in business today.  It's a shame.

 But hey, that's what these lists are for.  ASK QUESTIONS!  Don't know
 about everyone else here but I'd rather answer the same question twice a
 week than see a company fail due to bad advice.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com
 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!



 Marlon,

 I think people should have to take a test in order to be a WISP. Otherwise
 you got all these pop-up idiots that know nothing about RF and setting up
 20db sectors with XR2's set at default power levels. This is well over
 50watts EIRP.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:51 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!

 I get what you are saying Bob.  But sometimes it's more about knowing WHO
 to

 call.

 I just had a guy call with a similar problem.  You all know him and I'd
 drop

 his name but I don't want to tip off the dirt bag operator.

 When he first called the FCC he ended up at the wrong place.  They told
 him
 that there was nothing they could do.

 I had him call back and specifically ask for the enforcement folks NOT the
 consumer complaint folks.

 He had pictures, spectrum analyzer, radio screen shots etc. that showed,
 clearly, that the other guy was aiming antennas right at his.  When the
 good

 guy moved channels the bad guy moved with him, within days.  He was also
 able to get together with another local WISP who added his name to the
 complaint.

 This did take a couple of months to work through the system but last I'd
 heard the FCC HAD been working on this complaint.  Perhaps it's far enough
 along that the good guy can tell you a bit more.

 1-800-call-fcc  Ask for ENFORCEMENT.  You need to have your documentation
 in

 order first.

 It's true that we all have to accept interference.  It's also true that we
 can't CAUSE it maliciously.  They also have a hissy fit when we go over
 the
 allowable power levels.

 For what it's worth, nearly all of my systems are below, often well below,
 legal levels.  They tend to work better that way anyhow.  Use bigger
 antennas not more power.  Range and reliability is about SNR.  You can get
 that in two ways.  More power is one.  Better ears is another.  Better
 ears
 also mean narrower beams which usually means less interference which also
 means greater SNR which means longer ranges which means less AP's which
 means less interference etc. etc. etc.

 laters,
 marlon


 - Original Message -
 From: Lakelandlakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!


  
 Marlon,

 You have personal contacts. That's cheating.  I have contacts too and
 could
 probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp
 calling
 the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office
 you
 usually only get the recorded TV interference message.

 Maybe I'm just totally wrong.

 -B-



 Marlon K. Schafer writes:


 H, I've had much better luck that than Bob.

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Lakelandlakel...@gbcx.net
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!


  
 Sorry  I side with Travis.

 I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY,
 Philly
 

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

2010-03-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
As a rule of thumb, as the dB gets higher(or smaller in negative speak) in an 
antenna, the beam width of the opposing polarity of the antenna gets smaller, 
and thus harder to work with.

As an example, I have used 15dB Omni's in 2.4Ghz(I'll leave the brand 
unannounced). I first put them about 60 feet in the air and found that I could 
not get a good usable signal unless I was about 2 miles or so from the tower. I 
dropped them to 20 - 25 feet and picked up clients within .25 miles out to a 
couple of miles. The horizontal beam width on the Omni was so small, I was way 
overshooting my intended target.

Lesson learned was to always look at both vert and horiz beam width, and lesson 
learned on the 15dB Omni is to only use in trailer parks, very small 
subdivisions, and RV parks... and ... to not mount it above 30 feet high.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:41:21 -0400

Well, I've been setting up a service contract with my friends on planet
Wispalon so I need to find the proper tilt angle to beam the signal into
space.  :)

Yeah, I've been mindful to stay off the horizon, seems wasteful in a big
way.  I'm not a trig scholar so I use basic tilt angle calculators which
have never failed me but these things have me upside down.  Tower height,
distance desired and all are good to have but I was really interested in
others experiences with them and how they have been able to get their
angles.  Again, the smaller, lower gain sectors have been right on the money
but I wasn't aware (ignorant) that these high gain units would give me a
smaller slice to work with.  On the advice of another member I have been
trying one AP with 4 120 degree 19dbi sectors used as 90's.  Signal is great
where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do the 2 man
show all over the county.  (With everyone in a pickup truck stopping to ask
why we're by the road with an antenna)  

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector antenna
is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. If you
don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal parallel to
the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole reason you
downtilt is to get the strongest signal pointed to the area you want.

Figuring this out takes some basic trig calcs using the tangent function.

No one has asked the most important questions you need to know when
calculating downtilt:

1. How high up is the sector antenna?

2. How far out or in what range near to far do you want the sweet spot?

3. How close in to the tower do you need service?

#2 and #3 can conflict with each other and you may have to make a tradeoff.

leb

At 2:22 PM -0400 3/29/10, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
. Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with
'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much
leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon

The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only
becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers..

Faisal.

On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote:
 I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt
 angle to jive.  With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go
right
 where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones,
nothing
 I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I
 tilt up and down seems to be good.  I REALLY don't want to have to do
that
 with all of them...



 Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these
things?
 Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors.



 Thanks!



 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

 740-335-7020



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Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest

2010-03-26 Thread Scottie Arnett
I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 times a 
day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was there my 
supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not getting unloaded 
fast enough. I can see why it was broken.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400

I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS  FedEx
drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got
150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in
knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off.
Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you.
That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get
another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it.
-RickG

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
 Crud... Broken spool number 2.

 I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will
 come apart.

 Were you able to get the rope off?


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest


 I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another.
 That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping.

 On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
 wrote:
 If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21
 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton.


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest


 OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in
 May. Anyone else going?
 -RickG


 
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Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts

2010-03-23 Thread Scottie Arnett
On that note, does anyone have a website or listing of defunct DNSBL's or any 
defunct blacklists? Would be nice if you could sign up for some kind of warning 
via email or whatever.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:15:56 -0700

Are you using a DNSBL that doesn't work anymore or that is blocking you?
Is the delay before or after the banner, and if after, at what point?
Have you tried doing an SMTP session by hand with telnet to see where
the delay is?

-Kristian


On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 16:33 -0400, Eric Rogers wrote:
 I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP
 queries to my Active Directory server.  I am having problems with the
 SMTP side.  It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30
 seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen.  I don't
 see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix using
 PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist.  I am looking for ideas for logging
 levels and/or troubleshooting advice.
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-17 Thread Scottie Arnett
But THEY are going to get one, and I doubt you or I will see that change during 
our lifetime.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:42:57 -0500

On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
 If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these 
 networks, then I think we should have access to use it too.

This is the wrong way to view it, though.  I'm not looking to argue the
point, but want to address this in a slightly different way.  Let's take
an area called ruralville, us.  In Ruralville, there is a population of
1000 citizens who earn an average of $22k/year.  If there were no high
speed options in ruralville, would YOU build a network there?  I know I
would.  Especially if I carried the backhaul in from a larger network.
Would you require someone else to pay for the gear, or could you make
the numbers work for that area?  I know I could make the numbers work.  

NOW...the question is:  If it is feasible to make it work without a
subsidy, WHY SHOULD ANYONE GET ONE FOR THAT AREA?

In my mind, it's not about if they get one, I want one, too.  It is
more along the line of if I don't NEED one, neither do they.  

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Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?

2010-03-16 Thread Scottie Arnett
I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of 
anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested he 
would build one.

My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the 
positive and negative pins for other equipment that is not following the POE 
standard (Moto).

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:46:38 -0430

Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could 
be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE 
(perferrably 48v)  up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages) 
to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)? I'm 
thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up the 
tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this is 
something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first.

Greg



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Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-16 Thread Scottie Arnett

Ok, I see you guy's points. I was looking at it from the point if the gov't is 
going to keep giving the big guys tax breaks, USF, and whatever else, it is 
like I am competing against my/our own money. If they are giving them some form 
of subsidy to build these networks, then I think we should have access to use 
it too.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
Reply-To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:17:26 -0400

Wow Mark. For once I can actually state that I agree with your statements.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:54 AM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

Scottie, the problem is nothing at all to do with open access.This 
open access has the effect of fixing the type of access.  Once you 
build a network, and a third party mandates you share it at prices they set,

no more networks will be built.   The prices will be fixed, the technology 
will be fixed, and nobody in that system will move anywhere.   Why should 
they?   Profit is guaranteed, forever, even if subsidy is required to 
support it.   You have to have multiple last miles for there to be ANY 
competition in technological advancement. And one has to be able to 
build their own network and use it to best advantage without interference...

or why build?If you don't believe me...   Just agree to the following 
statement:   I agree to build a network, then allow MDK to use it at a 
price set by people who want the public to think they're being given 
something at rich people's expense, and I will maintain, update, and 
continue to upgrade capacity, while everyone who uses my network abuses it 
to the maximum possible amount, while doing everything to undercut my price.

I also agree that if I charge enough that I can undercut the other users, 
that I will continue to share at ever lower prices, so that the appearance

of a monopoly will not become apparent.

Yes, we have a duopoly, sort of, with cable and dsl being at an uneasy 
truce, but fix the prices on both, and both will halt, exactly where they 
are, and no further advancement will occur in EITHER industry.Why should

they?   Any effort to get ahead in the game simply results in your piece of 
the pie being confiscated and given to those who put no investment into it. 
Once the pipe has been defined in price, size, and technology, it simply 
becomes fixed.Which is why telephone service took more than a half 
century to advance from rotary dial to DTMF. Once we blew apart the 
official monopoly and allowed competition for every mile, the actual 
obsolescence of voice over copper became obvious in a very short period of 
time.

You want to see REAL advancement happen?Have the FCC and Congress reduce

regulatory barriers to all forms of telecommunication - from spectrum 
shortages, to monopoly status for various types of providers, to rules about

availability of public real estate, and the repeal of at least 90% of the 
completely useless and pointless regulations out there.

We don't need Congress or some pointy-heads at the FCC to write us a plan.

it will be asininely stupid as the old Soviet Union plans to modernize the

USSR.Beaurocrats are and always will be utterly incompetent at deciding 
such future directions.   Have them repeal 99% of the income tax, OSHA, and 
other rules (keeping the .5% that are useful), remove the barriers to 
competition that exist at both federal and state levels, and give us some 
tools to fight the local ones,  and then run for cover, because we'll be 
charging into the future like tigers chasing prey.

 Once we start setting prices by some beaurocrat, and using regulators to 
decide fair cost or fair price of something, that's basically... the 
end.They will never admit to their failures and from that point on, the 
game is:  If it succeeds and makes a profit, tax it.   If taxing it doesn't 
fix it, tax it some more.   Once you've killed it with stupidity, then 
subsidize it forever to make your plan look like a success.

I want no part of such things, and how DARE you people think it's a good 
idea to force it upon the people, and upon us... with our own money used 
against us, of all things.

++
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From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:28 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ



 Did they even give the open access a chance even back then? This was the

 start for the end of the dial-up ISP's. Do they not remember the end of 
 line

Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact

2010-03-16 Thread Scottie Arnett

Crown Castle owns the towers Verizon is on in my area, TN.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net
Reply-To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net,WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:38:53 +

Are you sure VZ owns the tower? In many areas of the country, while VZ may be 
the most prominent tenant, someone else actually owns and manages the tower 
site
--Original Message--
From: Gary Garrett
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact
Sent: Mar 16, 2010 10:27

Co-locate with Verizon?
ha ha ha ha ha !  HA HA HA HA HA!!~!!

I hope you have applied for CLEC status and have a BIG BIG bank account!




On 3/16/2010 6:54 AM, chris cooper wrote:
 Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest?

 Thanks
 Chris Cooper
 Intelliwave



 
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Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2010-03-15 Thread Scottie Arnett

The only good statement out of this which may deserve Merit to us WISP is:
 At the urging of liberal advocacy groups like Free Press and Public
 Knowledge, Mr. Genachowski also wants to use the national broadband
 plan as a vehicle for returning to the bad old 1990s era of open access
 regulations. He recommends forcing major broadband providers like Time
 Warner Cable and Qwest to share their high-speed networks with smaller
 competitors at federally set rates. We can't think of a better way to
 reduce capital investment and slow the build-out of high-speed networks. 

Did they even give the open access a chance even back then? This was the 
start for the end of the dial-up ISP's. Do they not remember the end of line 
sharing in the early 2000's?  The throw-off of what the big players did not 
think would ever succeed, being dial-up and what may come afterward? No, they 
were making big money even off that. Then they looked forward for once and saw 
that the future was not as bright as they had thought. NOW, they want it all, 
and still do! I will say again, let's go back to the Computer Inquires Acts and 
force these big players to go by the books...no cross subsidizing, an 
Enforcement Bureau at the FCC that can't be paid off, etc

If they think we can not build our own networks out of what they have 
built(with gov't help), then us WISP have been building out networks that the 
big guys will not serve for almost 2 decades. The article claims that open 
access slows buildouts and innovation. WTF? I know that we can prove that 
different. I have built networks out in the middle of BFE, and many of you have 
in much larger population areas! The big guys have not because they can't see a 
return in the next 10 years...that seems to happen when you have to bury fiber 
or copper into the middle of nowhere, without USF funds, or other gov't 
incentives.

Being bent over in BFE,
Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:48 -0400

Wow, Jack and Patrick.

I respect the two of you as much as any two people in this industry.  Has
the day come when posting an article about broadband, from a respected
national newspaper, warrants this sort of a response on list?  I wasn't
trying to throw a bomb...I don't really have a firm opinion on this
particular matter.  I thought that the List members would be interested in
the article.  End of story.

There are many different points of view on this List.  I respect that and I
can respectfully disagree with just about anyone.  I really try to keep my
personal political opinions confined to Facebook.  If the day has come that
one cannot make this sort of post, then maybe it's time for me to drop off
of the List. 


Regards,

Jeff


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

It's those damn communists. They're on the march again. Quick, man the
barricades!

Wait, I'm wrong. It's ATT and Verizon. They're on the march again. 
Quick, open the gates to the City.

Jeff Broadwick wrote:
 REVIEW  OUTLOOK  MARCH 15, 2010
 Broadband Trojan Horse
 The FCC has a new plan but doesn't want a vote.
 Health care isn't the only policy arena in which the Obama 
 Administration aims to ram through controversial new rules. The 
 Federal Communications Commission is set to unveil a national 
 broadband plan opposed by industry and without any of the five
commissioners voting on it.

 Last year, Congress directed the FCC to develop a plan to make 
 high-speed Internet available to more people. But given that 95% of 
 Americans already have access to some form of broadband-and 94% can 
 choose from at least four wireless carriers-rapid broadband deployment 
 is already occurring without new government mandates.

 Since 1998, the FCC has classified broadband as an information service
 subject to less regulation than traditional telecom services. The 
 Supreme Court's Brand X decision in 2005 validated that 
 classification, and the upshot has been more investment, innovation 
 and competition among Internet service providers, all to the benefit of
consumers.

 In 2009 alone, broadband providers spent nearly $60 billion on their 
 networks. Absent any evidence of market failure, the best course for 
 the FCC is to report back to Congress that a broadband industrial 
 policy is unnecessary. Instead, FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is 
 moving to increase the reach of his agency and expand government control
of the Web.

 Among other things, he wants broadband services reclassified so the 
 FCC can 

Re: [WISPA] here it come$

2010-03-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
LOL, good one.

-- Original Message --
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
Reply-To: spie...@avolve.net
Date:  Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:50:30 -0500

Computer Inquiry Acts = CIA

-- Original Message --
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:34:12 -0600

EXACTLY! Good old Computer Inquires Acts! Wish they were still valid? and/or 
enforced...and had an FCC enforcement bureau to keep it true.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com
Reply-To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:38:44 -0500

RANT

Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers
have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs!

You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet
service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you
are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the
service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more
likely... eat the cost.

This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to
the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP.  The regulated and non-regulated
portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to
conduct business as arms-length transactions.

For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and
operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is
regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet
Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market.  The
Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various
networks.  The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for
internet related valued-added-services.  Whereas, the Cable TV unit should
not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services.  (i.e.
ESPN Live 360).  The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should
have no interest in internet valued added services.  However, in the
alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for
unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services
to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service
Business Unit!!

Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you...  I've made
this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network
elements within the TelCo monopolies.  If you sell phone service as a
utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy
preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet
termination.

/RANT

Larry Yunker


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] here it come$

The television content providers are going to bill ISP's?
Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you.
-RickG




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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs

2010-03-11 Thread Scottie Arnett
Are you going to sell these? I have been looking for something like this to do 
repeater sites with.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:53:17 -0600

That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we 
designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take 
an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the 
ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of 
the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board 
to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy 
way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few 
small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply 
disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the 
board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex 
and expensive part.

Cameron


On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote:
 The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by 
 the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated.

 Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 
 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the  auto-negotiation protocol in 
 later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in 
 the spec.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation

 So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a 
 resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another 
 PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it 
 turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, 
 speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or 
 bi-color LEDs.

 If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still 
 might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could 
 cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially 
 on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex 
 on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing.

 One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most 
 newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases.

 leb

 At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote:

 Yeah, but which circuit?  The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs?

 That got me wondering also.

 Anyone know what pair triggers the light???

 Bob-


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Justin Wilson
 Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs

 Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit.

 ---
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 On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com  wrote:

  
 This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the
 link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in?
 Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires,
 or
 is there some logic in there. Just curious.


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Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2?

2010-03-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
Not having the same exact problem as you, but I put a bulletM2HP on my network, 
an it is VERY SLOW to respond to the web interface. I am talking minutes, not 
seconds. No Airmax and 20Mhz channel. I don't have the logs or extra reporting 
either. Still slow as molasses. Everything I read on the UBNT forum's it is an 
ongoing problem that they have not admitted yet. I have ried 5.1 and 5.1.2 
firmware.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:05:26 -0430

Just posted this to the UBNT forum:

I have had the following problem repeatedly. It's clearly repeatable.

Problem: After adjusting output power and clicking apply the unit is no 
longer transmitting (clients can't see it and AirRadar doesn't detect it). 
What gets it going again is connecting via Ethernet and changing channels.

Setup: The M2 is running as AP, 802.11 mode (not AirMax) 20mhz channel width, 
no encryption, connected to a 120deg sector and powered with a UBNT 15 volt 
POE and about a 25' Ethernet cable.

No, I don't have the logs or extra reporting. If you want me to turn that on 
and make it happen I can.

Anyone else seeing this?

Greg


p.s. I'm using the latest firmware



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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from PropelSoftware for WISPAmembers

2010-03-08 Thread Scottie Arnett
If you really check into it, it is a data compression deal. Much like zipping 
up the data with winzip before it crosses the data layer. I really do not see 
how it can help with broadband in any sense. I used to use the same type deals 
on dial-up.

Scottie


-- Original Message --
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:56:22 -0600

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 OK, this looks interesting.  It would be nice to drop the amount of data
 across especially busy parts of the network!

 Anyone else used this or something similar?


This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all
the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires
software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you
won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything
that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer
base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction.

We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though
we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several
years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably
has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell
us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't
really tested it in quite a while.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-07 Thread Scottie Arnett
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and 
try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage 
also, and it looks like they will do the trick.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500

I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years
of calculus and you would think I could at least add.  Sorry, I forgot I
used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it
was near $200, but is was $250.  Complete system $286, and with
quantities, I am sure it will come down.

$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter
$109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom
$49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$39 - 1 GB SATA DOM
--
$286

I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF
(Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same.
 
$69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter
$69 - Motherboard
$9 - Riser Card
$29 - 1 GB Memory
$10 - USB Flash Drive
$99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card)
-
$285

Eric




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together 
for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these.

Travis
Microserv

Eric Rogers wrote:
 We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys.  They are Atom
 processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether
 add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at
 the $200 mark.  We just implemented our first one this week.  So far,
so
 good.  The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these
 enclosures.  None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*.

 For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements.  I
 am really worried more about the heat.

 Eric


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM
 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

 All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only

 way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system.

 Travis
 Microserv

 can...@believewireless.net wrote:
   
 A RB450G should be fine for what you need.  Or use an RB493AH if you
 need more ports.  If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is
 coming out which looks pretty sweet.



 


 
   
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[WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-06 Thread Scottie Arnett
Hey guys,

I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My 
current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to 
be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do 
some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 
- %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg.

Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and 
have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and 
do not need wireless at all. Suggestions?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] USF Changes

2010-03-06 Thread Scottie Arnett

And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband 
available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not done 
it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one provider in 
a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we need to vote 
every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks!

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500

As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete with 
me.
As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant
afford all this?
-RickG

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote:
 FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund
 AP


 By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology
 Writer – Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET

 WASHINGTON – Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet
 connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government
 program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas.

 The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to
 revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan
 due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been
 expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid
 details.

 The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program
 over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of
 the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The
 proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal
 Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand
 the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks.

 It's time to migrate this 20th-century program, said Blair Levin,
 the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by
 last year's stimulus bill. We need to move the current system from
 the traditional networks to the new networks.

 The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all
 Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program
 subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in
 schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural
 health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service
 to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is
 uneconomical for the private companies to build networks.

 Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that
 businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That
 revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under
 mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize
 broadband.

 The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the
 proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no
 additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the
 construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time
 injection of $9 billion.

 Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual
 size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from
 subsidies now used for voice services.

 The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one
 broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have
 complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with
 new networks considered duplicative.

 Levin said Connect America would not favor one technology over
 another, be it cable, DSL or wireless.

 The FCC proposal also envisions revamping the multibillion-dollar
 intercarrier compensation system, the Byzantine menu of charges that
 telecom carriers pay to access each other's networks and connect
 calls. Any changes to the Universal Service Fund would also require
 changes to intercarrier compensation because rural phone companies
 tend to rely heavily on both funding sources.

 The FCC's latest proposals will be part of a sweeping national roadmap
 for bringing universal, affordable broadband connections to all
 Americans.

 Although the plan is due on March 17, the agency has already begun
 releasing details, including a proposal to make more wireless spectrum
 available for mobile broadband connections by letting television
 broadcasters and others voluntarily cede some airwaves.

 Some of the proposals will likely require congressional action, while
 others might be up to the FCC to implement.

 Yahoo article:

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_fcc_universal_service;_ylt=AgSGtpiLKKQbXooR3LKvT.cPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTMzNGcwMmcyBGFzc2V0Ay9hcC8yMDEwMDMwNS9hcF9vbl9oaV90ZS91c190ZWNfZmNjX3VuaXZlcnNhbF9zZXJ2aWNlBHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b21ic3RvbmUEc2xrA2ZjY3RvcHJvcG9zZQ--

 --
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 Argon Technologies Inc.
 POB 875
 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
 

Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?

2010-03-06 Thread Scottie Arnett
I posted this to Butch's MT list too. To answer a few questions. It is a full 
P4, not Celeron. I forgot to mention a few things that come to mind. I am using 
it as DNS server and redirecting(via NAT) all DNS activity through the MT to 
use the MT DNS cache. I am not using web proxy. At the moment it has a Prizm 
card for wireless customers(10 total), but I am getting rid of that and going 
to a BulletM2HP. I am needing 1 of the 4 ports for this.

I would like to keep these below $250. I can buy regular x86 much more powerful 
than this for less money. The reason for trying to go to routerboards is to 
have standbys ready to go with minimal configuration after copying configs over 
and setting them up. The other reason is to get rid of the mechanical component 
of the hard drive...a mistake I made from the beginning. The last reason is to 
cover all the separate things that can go wrong in an X86 compared to a 
routerboard.

Thanks for all the replies and I am evaluating all of them.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0500

493 only has 128M RAM.  Might want a little more.  RB800 only has 3 
ports, but supports the new RB816 for a total of 19 ports and has a 
little more horsepower than the 4xxx cards.  RB1000 has 4 ports and more 
horsepower, but I don't think it is expandable.

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
 A RB450G should be fine for what you need.  Or use an RB493AH if you
 need more ports.  If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is
 coming out which looks pretty sweet.


 
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[WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not 
say for sure.

TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

2010-03-04 Thread Scottie Arnett
Eje,

Did you get my off-list email about POE surge protection on Canopy earlier 
today? If not, shoot me a direct email, please.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:24:58 -0600

Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware
what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not
directly related to my e-mail? 
Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be
aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one
out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm
talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I
said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on
the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just
gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. 
Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out
selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was
recipients of cards from the first mass production run). 
Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means
most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning
of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if
they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their
products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a
PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. 
So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready
from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run
have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500.
Order 2k and you might get 500.

Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly
understand it's meaning well so be it. 

/ Eje Gustafsson
WISP-Router, Inc.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should 
join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture.

On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:
 Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even
 gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the
 datasheet for it eiter.
 The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in
 China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new
 products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until
 earliest end of April.

 / Eje
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Eje,
 Got an ETA on Powerbridges?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM
 To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't
 matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a
 CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP.

 / Eje
 WISP-Router, Inc.
 Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
 Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.

 Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do
 not say for sure.

 TIA,
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Re: [WISPA] That black magic

2010-02-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
LOL, should have been 25G. I guess that is what I get when thinking about 
batteries and towers at the same time.

Scott

-- Original Message --
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:43:51 -0600

If he is adamant, I would do an analysis with something like radio mobile and 
keep adding height to his end to get the best result of the analysis. Then, 
depending on how high he needs to go, suggest buying a tower that is at that 
height. A single SU would not need more than rg25 with guides since you have 
already suggested over 20'.

IF he had to pay full price for Sat, he would be near the $500 range just for 
install and Equip. We all know it is junk! Last I checked here rg25 was around 
$100/sec. At that he could go at least 40 - 50 ft and maybe work?

Scottie 

-- Original Message --
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:39:46 -0600

Short squat corn crib.  It has an internal ladder with no outside access,
and another ladder on the outside going part way up.

I have NOT verified the light is visible at 31 feet.  Maybe I should have
him climb it on a clear night to verify he can indeed see the light?

I know I would be using knife edge diffraction with OFDM modulation.  This
is a horizontally polarized sector operating on a fractional channel.

His part of the county, which is northeast of me lies on a Paleozoic
plateau; it is flat for miles.  Any neighboring properties would have the
same issues. My operations are centered in south county where we have what
are referred to as the Bohemian Alps.  My property is one of the highest
points in the county, and the tower is 180' above that.

Right now, my most distant customer is 11 miles and has no issues.  This one
is almost 16 miles.  The farthest path where I *KNOW* I'm using knife edge
diffraction is 6.8 miles and has absolutely no issues EXCEPT during those
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Re: [WISPA] That black magic

2010-02-23 Thread Scottie Arnett
If he is adamant, I would do an analysis with something like radio mobile and 
keep adding height to his end to get the best result of the analysis. Then, 
depending on how high he needs to go, suggest buying a tower that is at that 
height. A single SU would not need more than rg25 with guides since you have 
already suggested over 20'.

IF he had to pay full price for Sat, he would be near the $500 range just for 
install and Equip. We all know it is junk! Last I checked here rg25 was around 
$100/sec. At that he could go at least 40 - 50 ft and maybe work?

Scottie 

-- Original Message --
From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:39:46 -0600

Short squat corn crib.  It has an internal ladder with no outside access,
and another ladder on the outside going part way up.

I have NOT verified the light is visible at 31 feet.  Maybe I should have
him climb it on a clear night to verify he can indeed see the light?

I know I would be using knife edge diffraction with OFDM modulation.  This
is a horizontally polarized sector operating on a fractional channel.

His part of the county, which is northeast of me lies on a Paleozoic
plateau; it is flat for miles.  Any neighboring properties would have the
same issues. My operations are centered in south county where we have what
are referred to as the Bohemian Alps.  My property is one of the highest
points in the county, and the tower is 180' above that.

Right now, my most distant customer is 11 miles and has no issues.  This one
is almost 16 miles.  The farthest path where I *KNOW* I'm using knife edge
diffraction is 6.8 miles and has absolutely no issues EXCEPT during those
ducting events.





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[WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell

2010-02-16 Thread Scottie Arnett
 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss
 

Could be good?

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[WISPA] Broadband usage up 25% since 2007, U.S. Census says

2010-02-16 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/broadband-usage-up-0216/

Claims that Sixty-four percent of U.S. households now have broadband access...

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-15 Thread Scottie Arnett
I think you said it best here:

Some
 of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and
distribute
 of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will
 have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours.
 Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and
 download
 a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds.

So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on our 
wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places? Most of 
these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a better way. 
Afterall, the customer is wanting their content.

I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for 
most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the government 
wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network. It will work, 
although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can control my 
network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not trading the big 
corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less profit. Hell, I was 
squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a pocket full of shells.

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Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

2010-02-15 Thread Scottie Arnett

in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states
over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file 
sharing out to the internet.

If all providers did this, then your support for bittorrent is fruitless. It 
would not work. It depends on people uploading(out to the internet) the bits 
to function. You are supporting the concept but not supporting the application 
on your network. Our TOS addresses servers also, but I still allow the torrents 
to work, but at much slower than normal traffic.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:23:48 -0600

Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service.
Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other
material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states
over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file
sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where
all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts,
monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand
depending on service level purchased. 
We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have
never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but
they have not created any issues on our network. 

No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile
broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you
can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service
for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their
limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really
isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their
hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it
affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited.

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

Eje,

I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I
agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to
deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background
working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network
you will be cut off and fined.

-RickG

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be
 anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the
 last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them.
 According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on
them.
 uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean
 it's used or frequently used.
 Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is
 web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I
 wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to
 that conclusion.
 So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all
 computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then
 regular web traffic.

 Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an
 issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just
because
 it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't
 exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic
 congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride.
We
 don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control.
 Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the
 traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy.

 / Eje


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents

 8% of Swedes do peer to peer.  I would expect the American population to
 have a smaller figure.  Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure?

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr
 wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote:

 May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  I didn't say 

Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality

2010-02-05 Thread Scottie Arnett
When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. 
That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place.

The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they 
home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is 
what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your 
gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. 
Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in.

You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay 
half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or 
more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not 
LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy 
way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are 
low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because 
of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing 
them.

Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a 
home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other 
from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you 
were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a 
$1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to 
help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It 
was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself 
without the high school education.

I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more 
than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 
50 to 60 years ago.

Scottie 


-- Original Message --
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600

Thank you Jeff.  You beat me to it!

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof
net-neutrality

That's just not accurate Tom.  The Community Reinvestment Act required
lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the
market for the paper. 


Regards,

Jeff


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof
net-neutrality

Brad,

  People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been 
 afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big 
 government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers.

You had me, until the above paragraph.  That is a crock of ShXX.

Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle
class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth
continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money?  I will say
that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their
losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical
choices.
What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to
foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home,
before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings
instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan
taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing
nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do
holding on to their home as an investment to resale.

And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the
opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to
make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist.

Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its
hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30
years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose
houses because they loose jobs.  People loose houses because most personal
debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to
get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within
their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to
high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense
of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they

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