Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us
They are dropping us as well. I wonder if it is just a deal to rid themselves of the WISPs deal they made? I know regular Dish Retailers(not WISP) that are not being dropped and have less sales. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Chris Hudson To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us We're being dropped as well. Although I admit that we have had a few months in a row that we didn't sell any. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net Date: 12/27/2012 3:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us Yes, we average a little over 3 per month. Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net On 12/27/2012 3:19 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: 3 per month? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 27, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Paul Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote: We signed up as a DISH Network reseller back in 2010 when they were approaching WISP's. We've averaged around 3+ new DISH installs per month. Last month we received notice that we have not met their minimum requirements and our reseller account will be terminated on 12/31. Our install volume is not huge because we mainly sell to our new and existing and customers We have used their co-op marketing program as well. Our old account manager would tell us our sales were great. Our new account manager has been nothing but a pain. I can't imagine they have much expense by maintaining us as a reseller. I know other WISP's became DISH resellers around that time. Has anyone else been dropped as a reseller by DISH? -- Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters?
In my area, I have to deal with northstarstudios.tv. I have sent emails after emails to them.I guess next is call them direct!?!?!?!? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 MHz permission letters? Thanks for the information. Much obliged. At 12/12/2011 04:12 PM, you wrote: SES Americom can be done. It's just not a easy process. Our first agreement with them took more than a year of legal wrangling. Since then we have successfully negotiated agreements with SES for another 5 towers and 3500 CPE. Michael C. Hughes CEO Antelecom, Inc. 661.726.3516 On Monday 12/12/2011 at 12:17, Pat O'Connor wrote: You have to contact who manages the Satellite Earth Station and they usually have an application and various forms to fill out. If you're dealing with SES Americom, have fun. I don't know of one that they have approved. Pat On 12/12/2011 11:20 AM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote: Does anyone have a standard letter to use to ask permission from satellite earth stations to use the 3650 MHz band within the 150 mile exclusion zone? Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because of a rural telephone cooperative? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred R. Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs On Friday, the FCC finally released the Order in their Intercarrier Compensation and Universal Service Fund docket. The executive summary had come out with the Adoption at last month's FCC Public Meeting, but the 759-page (!) Order took a while to finish. The results, from a WISP perspective, are not nearly as bad as could have been. The FCC has taken safeguards to make it easier for an unsubsidized WISP to prevent subsidized competition from an incumbent LEC. The high-cost portions of the Universal Service Fund are being restructured into the Connect America Fund. This will come into being in three phases, each with different rules for Price Cap Carriers and Rate of Return Carriers. About 95% of phone lines are in the former category; the latter are basically small rural carriers who depend upon USF. Phase I is just 2012. Price Cap Carriers will be offered $775 per line to add 4/1 broadband serivce to unserved areas that they weren't otherwise going to serve. They can choose how many lines this applies to. If the location is served on the National Broadband Map, or if the ILEC *knows* it's served by an unsubsidized competitor, it's off limits. I think this must be at least 768k fixed service. So this might be a good time to make sure the mappers are aware of your service areas, or to think about short-term service expansion. The date by which you must be on the map isn't set yet, but it's presumably in 1H2012. Phase II starts in 2013. For this, Price Cap Carriers will be offered support based on a cost model that the FCC will create in 2012. Once the model is complete, the ILEC will decide if it wants to take that support for its territory on a state-by-state (all of a state or nothing) basis. Again, only unserved areas will get support, though an ILEC can use support to build common plant in an area that is more than 50% unserved. So a new DSLAM that covers 40% unserved would not be covered, but ont that covers 60% unserved would be. So again it's important for WISPs to make their presence known. If the ILEC turns down the state, USF support goes to the low bidder. Phase III starts in 2018, and will be entirely bid-based, but the details will be worked out in the future. A separate Extremely High Cost fund will allocate up to $100M/year for locations too costly (by the model) to serve via the standard subsidy. This will be separately bid, and it's assumed that fixed wireless and satellite will be the mostly likely technologies. So this could allow some subsidies to rustic-but-Bell-area WISPs. The FCC notes that while this gives ILECs first dibs on funding, it also takes away Price Cap Carrier USF from areas served by unsubsidized competitors, so WISPs could theoretically come out better under the new rules. Now here's a catch: Unsubsidized competitor is defined as a provider of both voice and broadband service. It's not entirely obvious (you try parsing 759 pages of FCC-speak this quickly... ;-) ) if that applies to the Price Cap Carrier model, or just the rural Rate of Return case, since the PCCs already offer unsubsidized voice across most of their territories, and the map isn't about voice. In the rural Rate of Return Carrier case, voice will be more important. This does not mean that the WISP must be a CLEC per se; it might be high-quality (QoS) VoIP offered in conjunction with a CLEC who has local numbers, for instance. But for some ISPs, this might be a good time to start thinking about adding voice service. (My talk at FISPA last month was about the case for whether an ISP should start up a CLEC.) In areas served by rate-of-return carriers, the new rules phase out (over 3 years) all USF support to an ILEC that is 100% overlapped (voice and broadband) by an unsubsidized carrier, typically cable. If there is less than 100% overlap, then support will be reduced, but the actual methodology is left to be determined via the Further NPRM. So on balance, the FCC has done a lot less harm to the rural WISP community than it could have, while still encouraging ILECs to deploy more broadband via subsidies. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take your pick. They have NO Clec's here either. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 07:50 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because of a rural telephone cooperative? I don't believe a rural cooperative can prevent you from pulling numbers from the NANPA. They are even required to interconnect with you for the exchange of traffic which, under the new rules, will *eventually* (like 9 years out) be at bilk-and-keep. You might however have to interconnect indirectly, via a third-party tandem, and there's some issue of recourse if they block calls to you. They are not required to lease you any network elements. And they don't like to be, well, too cooperative... but I'd first want to check with the lawyers to know exactly how much privilege an RTC still has. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
TN is FULLL of cooperatives. From what I have found, the state of TN likes to protect them too. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_switch.php?tandem=NSVNTNGN00T Looks like all RLECs, but maybe you'd have luck with one of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/21/2011 8:29 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take your pick. They have NO Clec's here either. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldsteinfgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 07:50 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: How can you offer voice if you can not get local phone number's because of a rural telephone cooperative? I don't believe a rural cooperative can prevent you from pulling numbers from the NANPA. They are even required to interconnect with you for the exchange of traffic which, under the new rules, will *eventually* (like 9 years out) be at bilk-and-keep. You might however have to interconnect indirectly, via a third-party tandem, and there's some issue of recourse if they block calls to you. They are not required to lease you any network elements. And they don't like to be, well, too cooperative... but I'd first want to check with the lawyers to know exactly how much privilege an RTC still has. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to break this barrier for almost 12 years. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote: The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take your pick. They have NO Clec's here either. I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-) The good news is that they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange can be indirect. But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's area. Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only other carriers there, all mobile. No Celina numbers, either, if it matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
Re-reading your posts brings me to another question.has any VOIP carriers ever used cellular carriers numbers? Is it even possible? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to break this barrier for almost 12 years. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote: The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take your pick. They have NO Clec's here either. I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-) The good news is that they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange can be indirect. But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's area. Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only other carriers there, all mobile. No Celina numbers, either, if it matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs
We just happen to fall into one of those 3.65Ghz protected areas! But I have heard that the local telco has something going on there too! Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 11:18 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Re-reading your posts brings me to another question.has any VOIP carriers ever used cellular carriers numbers? Is it even possible? First, wrt the Livingston exchange, 931-397 and 931-403 belong to US Cellular; the latter is pooled (they're using the 7's). Nextel has -871, pooled (using 6 and 7). Oddly, US Cellular but not S-N says it subtends a Gaineborough tandem, which is Twin Lakes, but most Twin Lakes exchanges subtend Nashville. As to VoIP via cellular numbers, well, its sort of odd, but it might be possible. The new rules may actually say something about this -- there was a VoIP company affiliated with a wireless company that was, uh, alleged to have been laundering its LD calls via the cellular company in order to get the lower termination rates. They deny it of course... but that may have been addressed in the intercarrier rules. I haven't gotten through it all yet. (It's freakin' huge.) I actually had a client that was a wireless company whose business included lots and lots of modems, way back when, so it's not unprecedented to have, uh, incidental non-wireless traffic go through a wirless feed. And heck, put up one 3.65 GHz base station (if it's allowed there) and declare it CMRS, and you're a cellco too! There's one lawyer I know who sort of specializes in this sort of thing. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs Please explain about the Livingston exchange!!! I have been trying to break this barrier for almost 12 years. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC releases USF/ICC Order, rules on subsidizing ILECs At 11/21/2011 09:29 PM, you wrote: The only other telcos/cellcos here that have local numbers are US Cellular and Verizon. None of the big VOIP carriers do, such as Vonage/Packet8/take your pick. They have NO Clec's here either. I like to think of that as a challenge. ;-) The good news is that they use the Nashville tandem, not their own, so the traffic exchange can be indirect. But it's true that there are no CLECs with numbers in TLTC's area. Powertel, US Cellular, VZW and Sprint Nextel are the only other carriers there, all mobile. No Celina numbers, either, if it matters. But Livingston has pooled prefix codes available. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Yea, I was going to suggest this also. I thought if he were already doing DHCP to try the bridge to see if it made a difference. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Jason Bailey To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network If you are bridging radios,whats to stop a client from plugging a router in backwards,or any other ip device? Route at the cpe,192.x or 10.x either way you should be good. --- On Fri, 11/11/11, rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us wrote: From: rwall...@tigernet.us rwall...@tigernet.us Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:31 PM Yes, I am bridging the radios, and using static addr's for each customer. Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Fri, November 11, 2011 5:54 pm To: WISPA General List MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be wireless@wispa.org So are you bridging the radios? It still sounds like a networking problem instead of the radio. If you are not bridging and using DHCP on the radio, try it in bridge mode and see if that changes anything. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network Thanks Scottie, Actually what is happening is as follows, all users having this problem are using MS Vista or MS7. We use Static IP's, 192.168.0.nnn or .10.nnn, .15.nnn, .20.nnn - when the assigned IP, mask, gateway and DSN's are entered at the user loc. local area Connection properties dialog and saved a yellow triangle w/ a ! appears over the Local Area Connection Icon, lower right, in the Quick Launch toolbar. When the mouse pointer is rested over the icon the message Unidentified Network, No Network Access appears. It seems Internet Explorer reads the addressing data as a security risk and will not allow access. Notwithstanding, microsoft's long and arduous efforts to provide us with secure communications, I feel they have overstepped my customers and my own needs for Microsoft Security where internet access is concerned. My question is How Do I over come their enthusiasm with security where our internet access is concerned. Ron Wallace Tigernet Internet trying to claw our way past Microsoft onto the Inet Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network From: Scottie Arnett MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com Date: Thu, November 10, 2011 8:52 am To: WISPA General List MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be wireless@wispa.org Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from us.mc1218.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location
Re: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network
Are you doing DHCP with the client radios? If so, I remember some having problems if they used the 169.254.x.x private IP structure. Changing to another private structure solved the problem. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: rwall...@tigernet.us To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] Problem with Access to Canopy network To All, I have a problem with about 15 users not able to access the net. Their PC's network icon, lower right on quick launch toolbar - MS, has a yellow triangle w/!. indicating that their ethernet interface has no access. Each user has MS7. This is specific to one tower location and three of the four sectors, 2 Canopy 900's w/180* sectors, 2 Canopy 2.4's w/ 180* sectors. At first we thought it was specific to MS7 Users, that is still the case. However, not all MS7 users. The setup of all CPE AP devices is the same. We have reset one 900 to factory default and reconfig'd that device with no affect on the ability to access the net. Any suggestions, advice, questions or direction would be greatly appreciated. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. (Tigernet Internet) rwall...@tigernet.us Phone:517-547-8410 Cel:517-740-0941 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Is that true for all freq. Gino? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? Ubnt 90 are really 60, and The 120 are really 90. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? 60. I'd really, really like some 60's, and UBNT already has 90s. Kevin - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? My answer is... 60 deg. Actually, if I had my way, I'd prefer under 45 deg. Without detailed specs for the antennas, to understand what the product would be adding, its hard to suggest the market for each. UBNT makes wonderful and affordable 90 and 120 deg antennas, and if someone wants 90 or 120, I dont see why anyone would buy anything different than the proven product already available. (unless KP's antennas add something).. What I can say is that there are not any 60 deg dual pol high quality sectors on the market today, and there is a need for such a product. Admittedly, I tend to use 90 degs now. But I'd use more 60 deg, if they were available, even if it meant not gaining 360 deg coverage. I believe a combination of 5.8 and 5.3/4 is needed in combination to gain 360 coverage. In Urban and heavilly saturated suburban environments 90-120 degree antennas are almost unusable, atleast not at high modulations. The secret to a successful WISP is getting the highest modulations possible so they get the most capacity. And its better to have more capacity for limited coverage, than not enough capacity for full coverage, because with a more powerful offering, the take rate will be higher in the narrower coverage. It is true, that today, with UBNT only certified in 5.8 MIMO, 60 deg antennas would not likely safely enable full 360 degree coverage in most cases, prior to sync, and maybe not even then with noise floors. And as well, low density would warrant cost savings of fewer sectors. And obtaining 360deg is more important in low density areas. I'm sure this is why 120 and 90s are more attractive to rural WISPs. But the needs are much different for noisy Suburban/Urban. 120-90 deg antennas are to risky to use in urban cases. It should also be noted that spectrum reuse is sometimes possible, in Urban areas, mounted on opposite sides of penthouses, even without syncing, and often 10Mhz channels can be used to gain the coverage. Urban will choose 10Mhz, if they have a low colo cost, and can prove that higher modulation is achievable with less noise as a result of narrower sectors. So the decission may come down to which market segment KP wants to target, rural versus urban. And if they want a unique product, or compete head to head with others that have equivellent products. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Shane MacDonald To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
That is awesome Sam! Thanks, I will do that. Do you know what freq they are making it for? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? Ubiquiti is making/makes a dual pol yagi, check with your ubiquiti dealer, I just seen one announce it on a new products list, supposedly shipping in December. On 11/4/11 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Shane, Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed bands? In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Nice... you have made my day early. I hope it works well. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? http://www.wlanparts.com/product/AMY-9M16/Ubiquiti-airMAX-YAGI-Antenna-2x2-MIMO-Dual-Pol-16dbi.html On 11/4/11 9:20 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: That is awesome Sam! Thanks, I will do that. Do you know what freq they are making it for? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? Ubiquiti is making/makes a dual pol yagi, check with your ubiquiti dealer, I just seen one announce it on a new products list, supposedly shipping in December. On 11/4/11 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Shane, Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed bands? In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Now I am getting confused. If it is not possible, how is it that the link Sam posted stating a dual polarized yagi? Is it vaporware? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? At 11/4/2011 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Yagis, are by nature on single pol. But you can build two yagis on the same mast, one quadrant rotated from each other. Separate feeds and all. Typically this was done for circular polarization (one feed, phased to give the right chirality), and used on the OSCAR satellites. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Shane, Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed bands? In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Thanks for the clarification Fred. When I originally read Cameron's post, I did not see what he wrote below it about But you can build two yagis ... Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? At 11/4/2011 11:01 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Now I am getting confused. If it is not possible, how is it that the link Sam posted stating a dual polarized yagi? Is it vaporware? No. The OSCAR circular-polarized antennas had a feed split between the V and H antennas, which each had a driven element. The MIMO ones have independent feeds. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? At 11/4/2011 10:20 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Yagis, are by nature on single pol. But you can build two yagis on the same mast, one quadrant rotated from each other. Separate feeds and all. Typically this was done for circular polarization (one feed, phased to give the right chirality), and used on the OSCAR satellites. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Shane, Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed bands? In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Ok I like the discussion on bottom vs top posting, but get your own room, :). Another email rule that seems to dominate is if starting another completely off-related issue to the email subject is to change the subject line? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:15, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: (top posted) Often that works, Sam. When it's a simple dialogue over one issue, then sure, top posting works. Where insertion-posting works better is when replying to individual paragraphs or sections separately. I have been known to write very long emails, as have some of my correspondents... and this way the specific points are answered in situ. Some folks have been using email since the late 70s, before there was really such a thing as a full-screen text editor (may the spirits have mercy upon you if you remember edlin, for instance), which explains bottom-posting (it was the only viable way to do it). Inline posting seems more common among people who started communicating online in the 80s (it was common in Fidonet BBS messaging), and when emails took several days to get from one place to another, the context probably was valuable to help you remember where you were in a discussion. Top-posting became more common when email became more accessible to the general public, along with the rise of the Internet generally, probably starting in the early 1990s. This doesn't explain why I prefer bottom-posting, as I'm too young to remember anything before the mid-90s, but (shrug) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
Shane, Sorry, you answered this further down the thread. I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all unlicensed bands? In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi, if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels from ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Electronics and More 931-243-2101 sarn...@info-ed.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? I'd vote for the 90s, but we aren't likely to use anything other than 120s in the near future anyway. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shane MacDonald Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s? We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in December. Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release date and want your feedback. The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require. Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response will weigh heavily on our decision. Thanks, Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas Sales Marketing Manager sh...@kpperformance.ca www.kpperformance.ca Direct line 780-702-9977 Fax 780-460-2786 KP Performance Antennas is a proud sponsor of the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA) www.signup.wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC considers lowering pole rates.
http://www.cedmagazine.com/News/2011/04/FCC-lower-pole-rate-attachment-fees-NCTA-James-Assey.aspx?et_cid=1376258et_rid=43973930linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cedmagazine.com%2fNews%2f2011%2f04%2fFCC-lower-pole-rate-attachment-fees-NCTA-James-Assey.aspx WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5
Hey guys, Do any of you use IEA Software's Emerald v4.5 and successfully integrated IPPay? I know IPPay integrates with Emerald v5, but I am still using v4.5 because there is really no reason to upgrade it. It is a leftover billing system from the dial-up days that still works for us and it does integrate with authorize.net, but I would like to switch to IPPay. Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5
I can't see that there would be much difference in v5 and v4.5 as far as integration for IPPay would be, but I am not a programmer. I guess if an API for Authorize.net was developed, that would work for us also. Scottie - Original Message - From: David E. Smith To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPPay and Emerald v4.5 On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:35, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: Hey guys, Do any of you use IEA Software's Emerald v4.5 and successfully integrated IPPay? I know IPPay integrates with Emerald v5, but I am still using v4.5 because there is really no reason to upgrade it. It is a leftover billing system from the dial-up days that still works for us and it does integrate with authorize.net, but I would like to switch to IPPay. Few years back, IPpay told me they were working on something that was API-compatible with authorize.net, but it never materialized and I think they eventually abandoned the project. I'm in the same situation as you - Emerald 4.5 works just fine for us, and authorize.net works just fine for us, so we're in no hurry to upgrade/replace either. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.
I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina. Some of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has anyone used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something like this? I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular wireless cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter? Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this is going to have to require going across water and land and up to distances of 1/2 mile. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Cameras and wireless network.
I have one or two docks that I can not get LOS too. The rest I can get LOS. They do want this recorded, so I will need to look into the network video recorder. I am trying to use a system they already have that is all wired around the office and integrate the far off sites with wireless. They do have a 2.4 marina wi-fi system in place, but it is not their own, it is one of those we will give you $xx/mth off what it generates. So that part may be fun to deal with on interference, 5.8 may be the better idea. Scottie On ip cameras pick the H264 ones. They use 1/3 the bandwidth of mpeg cameras and the video quality is better. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Scottie, This is not an issue but I would not use 2.4 GHz. You need to consider marina WiFi. If you have LOS use 5 Ghz. It will handle 1/2 mile with no issues and the water won't be an issue unless the radios fall into the water. You can use standard CCTV analog cameras but will need an encoder and a decoder. You will probably find it is cheaper to do IP based cameras such as Axis. Keeping in mind that is you want to record the video at the office site you will need a network video recorder (NVR) which is more money than a standard DVR. This is easy. Just comes down to LOS and $$. -B- On 3/8/2011 3:49 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I have a client that is wanting CCTV cameras to cover a large marina. Some of the places they want cameras are close to a 1/2 mile away. Has anyone used wireless cameras and a wireless network to accomplish something like this? I am thinking along the lines of using Ubiquiti Equipment in 2.4Ghz. I assume I need to get wireless IP camera's instead of the regular wireless cctv camera's that have their own sender and transmitter? Anyone have any ideas? I think most CCTV cable has around a 1000ft limitation. They want the camera's coming back to one office, but this is going to have to require going across water and land and up to distances of 1/2 mile. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Slow list?
I got a total of list posts of 12 on 3/1 and a total of 15 on 3/2? WTF? I know I placed a post and never received it on 3/1. What is up with the lists? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area, but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much they get in USF in my area. Oh, voice? Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for voice. They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx) or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP. Check out Border to Border in Texas. So USF does fund broadband; it just does it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with subsidy money. The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet? Thanks to this policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than unsubsidized Bells. This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to the Computer Inquiries. Nice explanation Fred. Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) get new subsidy flows for
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative. Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting subsidized extremely through USF. Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote: I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area, but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much they get in USF in my area. Who's your telco, where? The USF numbers are public and I have downloaded some fairly recent ones. Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying for the coop's service. Oh, voice? Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for voice. They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx) or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP. Check out Border to Border in Texas. So USF does fund broadband; it just does it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with subsidy money. The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet? Thanks to this policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than unsubsidized Bells. This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to the Computer Inquiries. I sure agree on that! But then I think the Computer Inquiries should apply to all ILECs, permanently. Nice explanation Fred. Thanks. Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
Ok, thanks guys. I had heard some coops getting close to $100/mth per line. What is interesting is the line counts are about the same at NCTC as they were about 7 or 8 years ago. The most interesting is the that TLTC had almost 60k lines 7 or 8 years ago. TLTC was at one time(I heard) the 2nd or 3rd largest telco coop in America. If you take out the taxes and fees, the home line charges were around $18 at TLTC. So is $30, without taxes and fees, about the average home rate in the bigger cities that Verizon and BellSouth cover? NCTC was a bit higher last time I checked. Without taxes and fees their home line charges were around $24. I do not see why they do not sell DSL without the phone if they are not getting anymore funding than that from USF. Of course, TLTC has dropped a considerable amount of lines over the past few years, so that may be their reasoning. I should not be complaining about the DSL without a phone, that is my major selling point, but if they change the USF and can get funding for broadband, they may start selling DSL without the phone and then it is going to be a hurt to us. Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF At 2/13/2011 08:04 PM, Charles Wu wrote: For Q4 2010 North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support I think you're right -- I was first looking at the wrong report, the only one with the line counts. Let's try a different report... Pulling the numbers from their query system, I had the January 2010 support for North Central total $394k, and Twin Lakes get $436k . So assuming the line count is correct, it is about $12/month for Twin Lakes, and almost $20/month for North Central. Still not huge compared to some of them, but not trivial. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.
I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ . I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited. My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.
Yea, lol. I saw that too. I stated it was not really unlimited last night. I flubbed the other link up, it is http://www.broadbandqwireless.com/ . Scottie - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G. Unlimited Plan $69.99 per month The unlimited broadband account is a no contract service that allows for nationwide coverage without a specific cap on the amount of data transfer used for $69.99/month. Usage over 50 gigabytes in one month will alert our investigative team. I mean really, how to contradict yourself all in the span of a paragraph. You can use your gun here at this firing range but if we hear gunfire we're going to have to hold you in custody for illegal use of that weapon your using From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G. MVNO relationships or talk to an MVNO. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ . I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited. My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.
Thanks Chuck, I had to Google that one. Has anyone ever done this? What is required to become a MVNO? Is there a difference in just offering data? Do you have to be a CLEC? Ah, so many questions... I could get some customers with this. I have turned prospective customers to these companies before that I could not service and they could not get DSL. Scottie - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G. MVNO relationships or talk to an MVNO. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: I found out the company that resells Verizon access from my post last night repeated below. It is http://www.millenicom.com/ . I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited. My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G.
Thanks guys. This has me on track. I would have to go with Verizon if I tried something like this. The only other carrier in my area is US Cellular and I do not think they do this sort of thing. I wonder if it is like the horror stories of reselling the big co's DSL? Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Access to sell 3G and 4G. At 1/28/2011 10:46 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Thanks Chuck, I had to Google that one. Has anyone ever done this? What is required to become a MVNO? Is there a difference in just offering data? Do you have to be a CLEC? Ah, so many questions... I could get some customers with this. I have turned prospective customers to these companies before that I could not service and they could not get DSL. There are two ways to have a wholesale (not dealer) relationship with the CMRS carrier. MVNO is more common, where you lease the network wholesale (by the account, minute, etc.) and sell it as your own. Tracfone, Credo and various other MVNOs operate in the US, though I think it's a bigger business in Europe. Sprint is probably the most receptive to it; while ATTM and VZW have some MVNO deals, they are more interested in having their own retail customers. The other arrangement is to have your own rural cellular system and franchise it as part of the big carrier's network. This isn't too common, but Verizon Wireless wants the widest LTE coverage they can get, and since they'd rather concentrate their own resources in top markets, they'll allow third parties to build networks in some rural areas and operate them as part of VZW. Obviously the two companies would have to settle on financial arrangements; the smaller company would presumably be putting up the capital and essentially letting VZW be an MVNO on its network. A WISP with a decent tower footprint and the capital to build an LTE network might find that attractive. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers
I am responding to the first post in this thread, so I have no idea of what has been suggested. I am in a very rural area, I know for a fact the Crown Castle pay's $500/mth for a ground level space to lease from the land owner in this area. Crown built a 400 ft guided tower and they have Verizon on the top and U.S. Cellular at 200 ft. I would guess to estimate that they are charging at least $1200/mth to $1500/mth on each of those. I have not inquired on my cost to get to those, but the amount's I suggested are from land owner's in my area. Scottie - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Leasing towers to Cell Carriers I have a couple of Rohn SSV-MW 250' towers located in areas with spotty cell service. I wouldn't mind getting a few carriers on these towers. I have been successful in finding contact information for ATT and T-Mobile, but nobody else. Does anyone have any contact information for these guys? Regards, Chuck -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G
I am a new member to Wispa, and I have a few questions? I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited. My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the office. Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G
http://www.broadbandqwireless.com/ Sorry for the confusion. Scott - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett To: WISPA General List ; Principal WISPA Member List Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] Access to sell plans on 3G and 4G I am a new member to Wispa, and I have a few questions? I have in close proximity to my area a http://www.broadband wireless.com/ and another provider I have forgot the name of...They both provide wireless data internet through cell phone data plans on 3G and 4G. They both advertise it as unlimited, but if you read into it, it is not unlimited. My question is, how or how can us WISP get access to sell a 3G or 4G plan on Sprint or Verizon as these plan's have been sold to other companies? I will get the Verizon company with unlimited access as soon as I can return back to the office. Scottie -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get me wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about Connect whatever state inserted here! Same as what is happening in TN! In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big boy! I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps that WISPA has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to BOW DOWN to the FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They are playing second fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone to standup at the FCC and say, HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and telephone co's! We are serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl than the telco's are cable co's ever thought about! Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go to Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the more he gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that used to be a WISP and later became a lawyer. He knows what we are and what we stand for? Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against money that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just take a look at my area and what I have to compete against, I could give WISPA $100,000 and probably still not survive! Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50 million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand their coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits, What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250 and do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the ones that can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has auctioned off the good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the BIG guys, but could not afford? Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me different, and I will join him in a counter! Scott - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules I didn't say that, but it is well known. Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect Kentucky. I said sure, send over the paperwork. It was a minimum $10k to be listed on the associates part. $50k to be a partner. Do they honestly think I can afford either? Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth (ATT), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue. They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service. They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky. The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out. It was done in spite of the Kentucky Government. The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all. Guess what happened another year later? Another company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again. I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended promised were made by them. None of this is opinion, it's all FACT. Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the US that are under a Connect program. Most will show their displeasure. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck said: It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the Bells. I would agree with that it is a well known opinion by many on this list. However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent companies like most of us are. They lobby for Broadband in general - they don't play favorites at the high level. However, they have some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys. And if you work very much with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However, nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
I did my coverage with Connected TN about a year ago and have not heard from them since except for a revise. Scott - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules I didn't say that, but it is well known. Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect Kentucky. I said sure, send over the paperwork. It was a minimum $10k to be listed on the associates part. $50k to be a partner. Do they honestly think I can afford either? Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth (ATT), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue. They knew I had that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service. They were provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky. The maps they did were immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out. It was done in spite of the Kentucky Government. The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and they stole it from us all. Guess what happened another year later? Another company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got MILLIONS again. I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended promised were made by them. None of this is opinion, it's all FACT. Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the US that are under a Connect program. Most will show their displeasure. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck said: It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the Bells. I would agree with that it is a well known opinion by many on this list. However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent companies like most of us are. They lobby for Broadband in general - they don't play favorites at the high level. However, they have some very knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys. And if you work very much with them, you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about. Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However, nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this mapping, that public information was removed from their website. Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel. I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer. This is the public forum, not official correspondence. It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the Bells. Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise. If CN is whinging, let them, because it hit home. Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this list. Not everything has to be somber. On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content makes WISPA look. We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system. I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH! Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit, wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant! Scott - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically. I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc). Never an issue with any of them. One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost. Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk (updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess. Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers tend to cost more time. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free apps and Linux servers. But to this point at 700 clients I haven't needed it and I will be looking into that in the future. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT! There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that... Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail server, web server, DNS servers, etc. Anyway... Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical approach and do what's right for your business. Any server is just a tool. Pluses minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the field, or who to hire to answer your phones. On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote: I get scared when I hear Windows and Software in the same sentence. Then when you add Server I usually run. Shane MacDonald KP Performance Antennas On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote: We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and very configurable. We had it set up on Windows Small Business Server, that is the version with MSSQL server. For what its worth. --Curtis WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Tower at Auction in Evandale, TX.
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[WISPA] WTB: Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna.
Hey Guys, We are needing a Tiltek TA-952 Omni antenna. We will take new or used. If you have one for sale, please coneact me offlist. Thanks, Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains or something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's just hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an average of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20 miles you hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either build a 1000' tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50 miles, either get VERY expensive. Scottie - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. Friendly Regards, Mike From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
CHEAP is territorial - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me. Friendly Regards, Mike From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday! Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business... I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may save me. And I can do this every day. :) Travis Microserv On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.). Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose. If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box. Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I have been doing a lot of that lately(Fired, or fired before you are hired). Had a customer come in today...first thing out of their mouth was Hulu and Netflix. Told them, we are not a solution for you. Scottie Yup! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Fired. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch
Oh the joy of working with big companies with no inner-correspondence. I wish it were the same everywhere. Unfortunately, the big company I compete against has most of their $hit together. Scottie At least you still have your since of humor. I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else fixes it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama. Moved the office, gave them over 30 days notice to move our copper and fiber but still hasnt happened. Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM , dragging coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no permission to do so just to get your phones and office internet to work. The joy of being in business. At least I didnt get shot. Our salesman is Quite Angry. Right. Read below. Who Else- From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:37 PM To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com' Subject: Re: About to switch I don't know how you keep your since of humor after all this. I am quite angry that this happened to one of my customers, especially a good customer such as yourself. Try and have a good evening as well. -- Sent using BlackBerry From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: Morris, John Sent: Mon Aug 02 21:20:55 2010 Subject: RE: About to switch Yes but over a month just to get an installer to show up for no more than half an hour is crazy. We went live today and if I hadnt of taken care of it myself we would have been dead in the water. With the economy the way it is, we can t take the risk of even one day with no one answering the phones. Think about it. Moving a business from a location where people are used to seeing you for over 7 years (Weve been in business for 11 years) and then no answer on the phone? Makes it look like we closed for good and THATS the unacceptable thing. A sense of urgency and continuity. I really dont see that with our vendors, not just you. Im already stressed. When we moved to our old location 7 years ago it went smooth. This could have been a mess for the average business owner and a sure ending of their business. Were just lucky that well risk breaking the law to make sure all systems are functional. We shouldnt have to dig out used coax and connectors, crawl under a neighbors deck and connect into their TW drop without asking at seven in the morning.. Its not a personal thing, its about survival. Thats what has made us winners and Ill continue being outside that box regardless of the cost. Certainly there is a process over at TW that gets the install done and over. Just push that panic button and its all good. To be contacted to schedule an install after 30 days is insulting. We just arent that important. Thats the way it looks. I really shouldnt have to deal with it any more than I had to deal with moving the electric service. Done and done. Ill be looking for boy tomorrow. If he doesnt show Ill take the angle grinder to the lock on the TW box on the pole. If arrested at least it will make good publicity! (Ill do it without a shirt, it makes for better TV) HA! Trust me, Im crazy enough to call the cops myself so it makes a scene. They are aware and in awe of my I Dont give a Shitness. Principal wins. Still laughing. Too tired to do otherwise. Have a good night. Bob- From: Morris, John [mailto:john.morr...@twcable.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:14 PM To: 'robert.w...@just-micro.com' Subject: Re: About to switch Honestly Robert I'm doing everything I can that's why they finally contacted you today. I'm trying to get them out their first thing tomorrow. Again I apologize. Don't give up on me yet! -- Sent using BlackBerry From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: Morris, John Sent: Mon Aug 02 19:17:50 2010 Subject: About to switch John, If the Time Warner installer boy doesnt show up tomorrow Im having the phones switched back to ATT. I just cant deal with this crap. In a business, the phones are number one but TW seems to have no sense of urgency even though we pay way more for phones than residential. There is a price difference for a reason. I have enough to deal with. Sorry. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright
[WISPA] Bandwidth Sources.
I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
I agree with Fred on this. I have read many of his statements on cybertelecom's email list. If you are an ISP, I strongly recommend that you join it off of http://www.cybertelecom.org/ Since around 2002, maybe a little earlier, at the time of The Tauzin-Dingell Telecom Bill, the Congress, and the FCC pretty much did away with line sharing or the ability for us(ISP's) to use any lines provided by Ilec's( http://www.manymedia.com/futures/tauzding.html ). After this it lead to the Triennial Review. All this finally leads to the fact that the ILEC's do not even have to share their fiber. Fred may not agree with me on this, but as far as I can see it, the FCC and Congress have been out to do away with the small ISP's since around 2000. They have one agenda, that makes it even more sound is that in the last few months, the FCC has now classified broadband as 4 meg down/1 meg up. That not only has DE-classified many of the WISP as providing broadband, but also the satellite providers, and many DSL systems. I recently had an awakening, on the 2nd round BIP, that even though my company had coverage in the same area as a Rural Telco(Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative) they could apply for BIP, but I could not because they already had USDA funding as a Telco. Guess what? They received 16 million in grants and also received 16 million in low cost loans to provide FTTH in my coverage area. Call me what you will, but the FCC and everything behind them only want the duopoly of cable and telco to deal with. We are just pissing in the wind and it is why I have not joined WISPA yet. I may be missing the boat, but I am waiting for WISPA to prove me wrong. I have seen beyond and experienced beyond the norm. Show me something that I can have faith(and provide financial incentives) in or I will stay exactly where I am at and look for other income. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage in their areas. One of the downsides to this bill is that all broadband providers will be required to contribute to the fund. My gut feeling though
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever
Exactly Patrick. The rural telco's in my coverage area are getting those per telephone served. They are not going to give it up without a fight. The only recourse would be to distribute USF funds across the providers providing Internet access and Land line access. That will not happen. Scottie You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:02 AM To: 'Fred Goldstein'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compellingreason to document and map your network coverage ever Fred, That is understood, however I think that WISPA may try to lobby to have the term wireline removed such that any technology that delivers the defined broadband and voice services should be qualified to meet the 75% requirement. This is still a bill and not a law so there are opportunities to change this although I don't expect that one to go through without a fight. In this case we might be able to ally ourselves with the cable industry. I am sure they would love to see Telco's lose their USF subsidies in markets that are served by cable. Brian -Original Message- From: Fred Goldstein [mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:42 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 08:01 AM, Brian wrote: Hit me off list and I can offer some suggestions. As I mentioned, the 75% rule only applies to wireline providers (i.e., cable), so mapping WISP coverage buys nothing. The Boucher-Terry bill has nothing in it to help WISPs and plenty to hurt them, including a rather high tax to support your competitors. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever I'd like to but I dont know where to begin and with my limited time I cant even try to figure it out. On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Steve Coran just posted the message below to the WISPA FCC committee list. I took particular note to the following statement: - would reduce or deny support to wireline incumbents in areas where at least 75% of households can receive voice and broadband from a competitive provider that does not receive support Now the way I read the above statement is that if a WISP covers 75% of a current USF recipients service area, there will no longer be eligibility to receive USF funds. Remember if they have broadband they also have access to many VOIP providers even if you do not provide VOIP services. Vonage and Skype come to mind, not to mention cellular coverage. This would be a huge factor in leveling the playing field for WISP's in rural markets! I cannot see a more compelling reason to document and map your networks than this. Not only will it prevent yet another subsidized competitor from coming in to your service area, but it will also erode funding for any Telco who currently receives USF in your markets. This would bring wireless as a delivery method to the forefront because there are then no artificial revenue streams subsidizing the cost to deliver last mile service. We all know that wireless has the least cost per household passed in low density markets. There are many ways to document and map your coverage areas. First and foremost though is that you should file the Form 477 as required. Next one should map their network with an accurate service area where you would confidently offer service. This can be done many ways (including paying me to do it). This also shows a very important reason to be participating in your state broadband mapping efforts. I would expect that those state maps will become one of the major verification sources to establish the 75% coverage. The FCC 477 database will probably become another verification source. If you are listed in both of them it would be very hard for someone to say you don't exist and don't offer coverage
Re: [WISPA] IPPay
Really? How do you have this setup Chris? We use Emerald also, but it is v4.5, not the new one. Scottie Arnett Emerald from IEA Software Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 7/23/2010 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to see a list of things that are ready to use IPPay out of the box. We use it with Powercode. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net mailto:d...@mvn.net wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:38, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I need feedback on IPPay. -RickG If you have the in-house development expertise to talk to their API, it probably would be wonderful. We couldn't use it here, because our old (and proprietary) billing system doesn't support it, and after several months their promised authorize.net-compatible interfaces never showed up. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Cellular Specialties(CSI) resellers or distributors.
Are there any Cellular Specialties(CSI) resellers or distributors on the lists? I need to ask some questions and get some quotes on their Cellular Repeaters. I wanted to give a fellow WISP some business before I have to call Tessco. Scottie Arnett Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Has anyone used Mediacomm Fiber for their backbone?
I hope they do. It seems crazy they painted the USA with a wide brush in the contract. ATT is not within 90 miles of me. I can get ATT data lines, but it goes through many local telco loops on the way here. Scottie One of the cable companies I talked to a couple years ago said they couldn't resell to an ISP because of their contract with ATT forbid it. They were working to get out from under that. Christine Montalvo Senior Data Account Executive Mediacom Enterprise Networks Group 3737 Westown Parkway West Des Moines, Ia 50266 Office: 515-246-2251 Cell: 515-360-0015 Email: cmonta...@mediacomcc.com mailto:cmonta...@mediacomcc.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 11:52 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I have a connection to me across the state line that can be easily back hauled across the TN/KY line. In TN, the rural telco's rule the roost, and love to add on to the last mile charges . I have a tower that can easily reach into KY within 20 miles. Mediacomm has a tower within 16 miles that I can reach. I have asked them to price me bandwidth on fiber to their tower in KY, and the price to locate my back haul on their tower(their tower is almost 500' tall, so I can almost pick my area on that tower, if they allow). Have any of you guy's or gal's dealt with Mediacomm before? The problem is that I can't get a bandwidth quote, much less a tower quote out of them! I contacted them with a question of fiber availability and quickly got a response. Once I told them I was an ISP and wanted to back-haul it across the TN/KY border, everything went to a stand still. They had no problem quoting me bandwidth on fiber with a KY address about a year before. I also told them that I was an ISP in TN and my whole intentions of back hauling it. I am at a standstill with dealing with Mediacomm. Their pricing a few years ago, was much less than what I am paying now. I have repeatedly emailed the contact, and she has gotten back to me once in the last 2 months. The reply back was that she had been on vacation the week before and she was still awaiting pricing from the higher ups. She also told me the tower crew wanted to talk to me about what I wanted to mount on the tower...I told her the number to contact me at almost 2 weeks ago, and have not heard from them either. I guess my question is, have any of you dealt with Mediacomm before, and is my situation usual...or unusual? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?
I am paying close to $1200/mth here for 6 Mbit on metro-e. Located at middle TN/KY border. Scott 100meg metro e is running 3000.00 here. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. I managed to get around it because otherwise ATT would have had to install a high count copper line down my road to be able to keep offering POTS service here, so I got lucky, and had a free install. But you may not be that fortunate. I just thought if I posted this, it might give some people a heads up to start planning for more bandwidth when you're coming close to needing t3 type capacity. What are you paying for your DS3? We are nearing the point of moving to OC3's at both locations and the loops are outrageous. This is on ATT as well. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jeremie Chism TritonDataLink WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue
This is the chip on the NS2: http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/492238-ic-txrx-phy-10-100-2-5v-48-ssop-ksz8721b.html or http://www.newark.com/micrel/ksz8721b/transceiver-ic/dp/27K7644 Scottie Any inf on where to get the ethernet chip? I have more than a box full of NS2's with bad ethernet ports. Julius Igugu Webcenta Wireless. On 7/15/2010 12:55 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: Those that we have had the Ethernet go dead, but the wireless still works, we replace the Ethernet chip on and they work fine. Since using shielded CAT5E, we have not lost any radios that had shielded cable and a Ubiquti PoE supply. If we lose one and it has unshielded wire, then we replace the wire with shielded wire and the radio with a repaired radio (or a new radio if we do not currently have a repaired radio). On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I've had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using them). One doesn't turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethernet link/activity (powers on, wireless works). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: I have a box full of them that have the same issue. Ben told me to use shielded cable for client installs. Not that I haven't had a MT get hit a time or 2 but it seems every time I see a cloud in the sky I loose an ns2. Hopefully they'll get this fixed but for now I'm sticking with the $130 MT CPE over the ns2. Jim On 7/14/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I had that a week or two ago. Michael asked me to just go ahead and RMA - I did. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com wrote: Yes powered up and working fine from wireless side, no link on Ethernet Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue Is the unit still powering up from the POE ?? And you just can't talk to it? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue Curious if other have seen issue with bad Ethernet ports on NS2's. I have a customer with a strange setup and he has blown the Ethernet port on 3 NS2's so far. Setup is a PS2/Client to the Internet on a 50ft mast on a hillside, Ethernet runs 150ft down a hill to power and is plugged into a NS2 in AP mode transmitting down the hill to the house where there is another NS2 as a client to the NS2 on the hill. The issue is with the AP/NS2 up the hill keeps blowing the Ethernet port. It is on a 10ft Ethernet cable and the LAN ports of the two POE's (NS2/AP and PS2/Client to the Internet) are connected together with a crossover. Any thoughts on why just this one radio would blow the ether port? Mark McElvy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2998 - Release Date: 07/14/10 01:36:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job?
Yes, here is a snippet of my emails to them: RUS has no requirement that awardees offer service to resellers. The companies are still responsible for compliance with any applicable FCC or State requirements on this issue, if any. Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative Rural Development U.S. Department of Agriculture 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417 Phone: 612.721.6432 | Fax: 612.721.6432 |Mobile: 859.533.0334 www.rurdev.usda.gov Committed to the future of rural communities Estamos dedicados al futuro de las comunidades rurales -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:29 PM To: Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN Subject: RE: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA Ok. Thank you for the clarification. We would not have been able to apply anyway then. Will they be required to allow other companies to resell the service on this fiber? Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Really? I think they have to allow you access to any middle mile projects. The fix was really in on this. What a scam. marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job? Yea, I asked the USDA about the selling part. They said that they did not have to let us resell the service in any way or form. So I am not sure how to take the selling part? Scottie That's actually pretty normal under RUS grants and loans Scottie. THEY will only loan to one company in one area. YOU can still build your business in any way you choose, just not with RUS money. Yeah, it sucks. I've lived with that in some of my areas for a long time. The great news here is that the telco is still the telco and people still hate them. AND the consumer is still ditching land lines in favor of wireless technologies of all kinds (sat. TV, cell phone, wireless broadband etc.). It is a GREAT time to be alive in the WISP industry! We're still growing, our profitability is up (though that's going to change soon as I have to hire another person sometime in the next year or two) etc. AND, with the rollups of so many smaller telco's the service from the big companies has REALLY dropped off. Driving more and more customers in my direction. Life is different now, but it's not all bad. Did you notice the string in funding that says that they HAVE to sell to you at competitive rates? big grin The silver lining here might include cheaper upstream connectivity for you. Time will tell marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Thinking about a new job? Well, it is finalized. My main competition, and backbone supplier, has received round 2 BIP funding: http://www.lightwaveonline.com/fttx/news/Round-2-of-broadband-stimulus-kicks-of-with-more-fiber-funding-97678969.html Look for Twin Lakes telephone. About 6 months ago, my 2nd biggest competitor got it: http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html Look at January 25, 2010. Now for the RANT! In round 2 BIP, no other competitor could apply against a provider that was already receiving USDA funding. WTF is this deal? The USDA and FCC(with the rural exemption act)has provided Twin Lakes Telephone a protected telephone coverage area for over 50 years! Now they just handed them a monopoly on Internet service in my area? I give up?! WTF else can I do? The Obama-n-screw-u administration has screwed yet another business death coffin. Not only has it screwed us on our wireless ISP, but it has screwed the cable company and many satellite providers in the area. Do not think for a second that companies getting funding for FTTH, will not also be offering TV! Being as remote as we are, we have many, many satellite customers in the area. I preached this same blog to the USDA before they funded our competitor. Did not help a bit. I just pray for the rest of you guys that you do not have to go against this. I am sure they would have eventually done it anyway, but I would hope that it would have not been competition against my own money that I had paid in on taxes. Scottie Arnett President chief custodian Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
[WISPA] Thinking about a new job?
Well, it is finalized. My main competition, and backbone supplier, has received round 2 BIP funding: http://www.lightwaveonline.com/fttx/news/Round-2-of-broadband-stimulus-kicks-of-with-more-fiber-funding-97678969.html Look for Twin Lakes telephone. About 6 months ago, my 2nd biggest competitor got it: http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html Look at January 25, 2010. Now for the RANT! In round 2 BIP, no other competitor could apply against a provider that was already receiving USDA funding. WTF is this deal? The USDA and FCC(with the rural exemption act)has provided Twin Lakes Telephone a protected telephone coverage area for over 50 years! Now they just handed them a monopoly on Internet service in my area? I give up?! WTF else can I do? The Obama-n-screw-u administration has screwed yet another business death coffin. Not only has it screwed us on our wireless ISP, but it has screwed the cable company and many satellite providers in the area. Do not think for a second that companies getting funding for FTTH, will not also be offering TV! Being as remote as we are, we have many, many satellite customers in the area. I preached this same blog to the USDA before they funded our competitor. Did not help a bit. I just pray for the rest of you guys that you do not have to go against this. I am sure they would have eventually done it anyway, but I would hope that it would have not been competition against my own money that I had paid in on taxes. Scottie Arnett President chief custodian Info-Ed, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
Not a pro or con on DD-WRT, but it is a very functional piece of software. I have been running it on my Linksys WRT54GL for 3 or 4 years. It supports DDNS, VLANS, VLAN tagging, Bridging, Wireless( setting all parameters), MAC radius Client, Wireless Security(WEP, ALL WPA, Radius) MAC filters, WDS, ... hell much more than I care to comment on. Load it on a cheap router(http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices) and see what you think. For Free, it gives 'TIK a hell of a run for the money. Scottie On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 13:24, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: No disrespect intended here, but I have been through the DD-WRT thing with Linksys and Buffalo routers. The Buffalo worked better long term. I probably did it with 20 units total. Everyone has anecdotal evidence for/against their favorite hardware, so no problem. I've had good luck with WRT54GLs (the L is important, the WRT54G is now a different and much less useful device), others have had better luck with other gear, it's all good. :) Isnt DD-WRT used for commercial purposes a pay as you go deal? The developers do offer paid support, but the software itself is (AFAIK) all GPL'd. Sometimes when you flash the DD-WRT code, and for unknown reason, you end up bricking the unit. They even say so in their Wiki. There has to be a cheap, easy to use, reliable alternative that doesnt require re-flashing and fussing. Again, I've never run into that problem, and we've probably done this a couple hundred times over the years. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
That's fantastic...please post the URL when done. Scott I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3967613380941633039# Scottie Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet of me the first time I use it) I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool that will let a person (Or corporation) push low voltage cable down below the sod. I have a design in mind but if there is already something out there I'd like to see it. Yeah, to buy it or maybe rip them off and make my own from how theirs look... It's a thing.. Anyhow, I normally take a shovel and make a slit in the sod and stuff the cable down in it but doing a 100+ foot run can make your day less fun than it already was. Anyone using any human powered tool (Other than a shovel or paying some kid 20 bucks to do it for you) to bury cable? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
The 7.5% comes back in on self-employment tax. That is the social security tax on the self-employed. Scottie But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on social security taxes... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information
[WISPA] Inconsistencies in BIP Round 2 rules.
What do you guys make of the following discussion? How can they state one thing in the NOFA, and then put something different on their website? If it is in fact true, that the NOFA did not state this, should the whole mess be started over? I am looking in the NOFA, but not finding the mention of ...provided the existing RUS borrower is providing service at 768 Kbps/200 Kbps or higher.. I guess that I am being sort of a sore loser, but we did not file based on the NOFA saying, The existing service areas of RUS borrowers in which they provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding. Scottie Original Message Subject: RE: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA From:Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Date:Fri, June 4, 2010 11:18 am To: Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN anthony.tind...@wdc.usda.gov -- Thank you for your response. It is odd that I do find this statement on your website: Changes in the NOFA for this round of funding do not allow funds to go into areas which were: 1) funded by either BIP or BTOP in the first round, and 2) funded by the RUS Broadband or Infrastructure programs (provided the existing RUS borrower is providing service at 768 Kbps/200 Kbps or higher) but I did not see the ...provided the existing RUS borrower is providing service at 768 Kbps/200 Kbps or higher... in the NOFA. Can you point me to where it states this in the NOFA? We did not apply based on the statement, The existing service areas of RUS borrowers in which they provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding. There will be much controversy raised over these inconsistencies from my company and many others. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. It is acceptable for RUS borrowers to request funds to upgrade facilities within their existing exchange boundaries/service areas, as long as less than 50% of the rural premises located within their PFSA(s) have access to 5Mbps broadband service, and all other eligibility requirements are met. In this case, I'm assuming their DSL service does not meet the 5Mbps threshold. Rest assured however, we will be checking. Thanks for your prompt response. Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative Rural Development U.S. Department of Agriculture 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417 Phone: 612.721.6432 | Fax: 612.721.6432 |Mobile: 859.533.0334 www.rurdev.usda.gov Committed to the future of rural communities Estamos dedicados al futuro de las comunidades rurales -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:44 PM To: Tindall, Anthony - Minneapolis, MN Subject: Re: TN5011-A Twin Lakes Twin Lakes TCC Celina-Moss PFSA I am sorry about that, I misunderstood the instructions. We are not serving the unserved area's either, I had mistakenly understood it to say providing a 768K speed in the proposed area. They already have DSL in over 90+ percent of clay county. If you look a little further they are a rural telco that is already receiving grants/loans from the USDA and they already offer broadband via DSL and have been for over 5 years. My understanding and a question to the USDA about this...is that they are ineligible from applying from the BIP 2 rules? As are many others around my area that applied for Round 2 BIP anyway. Do you have any information on this matter? From BIP NOFA: The existing service areas of RUS borrowers in which they provide broadband service are not eligible for BIP funding. The communities where these service areas are located can be found by using the Community Search Tool available at http://mappingtool.broadbandusa.gov. In addition, the service areas of awardees under the first round BIP/BTOP combined NOFA are also ineligible for BIP funding; as these are awarded, these service areas will be identified on a map available at http://mappingtool.broadbandusa.gov. Scottie Arnett President Info-Ed, Inc. Mr. Arnett, Attached is a map and a census block list, along with your Public Notice Response (PNR) filed in conjunction with an ARRA BIP Round 2 application submitted by Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative Corporation in the Celina-Moss Proposed Funded Service Area (PFSA). In the PNR, Info-Ed, Inc. claims to provide access to broadband service to households (HH) in the unserved layer of the PFSA. However, there was no polygon drawn using the mapping tool, and in the same PNR Info-Ed, Inc. states that there are actually 0 HH and 0 business establishments capable of receiving broadband service in the PFSA. Could you please provide an explanation of the discrepancy in numbers in your PNR? Thanks, Anthony J Tindall | Broadband Field Representative Rural Development U.S. Department of Agriculture 4824 E 53rd St. #512 | Minneapolis, MN 55417 Phone
Re: [WISPA] taxes
As a PC auditor for a rather large customer, this customer is doing over $10 million in revenue per year, their PAID accountants recommend that anything less than a $1,000 be expenses and anything over be depreciated. Their accountants are from a VERY large accountant firm, but anyways, you can take that with a grain of salt. BTW, I am under a NDA. Scottie AFAIK, our business is very typical for a small WISP. Some further background: For the past few years, I've had a good friend do our taxes. He is a Comptroller for a large company and has become too busy to continue. Hence, the reason for my new concerns in my search for a good CPA. Apparently, I'm just running into very conservative CPA's. My friend who owned a WISP at one time disagrees with these CPA's and says he would continue to expense it. I'm just looking for some support to the idea. Thanks to all for your comments! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I figured there was some thing behind your question.. I know , below you are conveying what a CPA is telling you... but I think there is some context missing here I am not a CPA, so I am also going to using some simple language to put some context arround this.. Most of us who are replying back to you about expensing purchases are referring to what is knows as 'Section 179 Expense' Best Explanation is from the IRS it self... http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=177054,00.html Needless to say there are some 'stipulations' for 'qualifying businesses'. I would be very much interested to hear / know the reasoning behind what the CPA's are telling you. While I agree that all Government Entities Local/State or Federal are desperately looking for money, but that does not come at the expense of a 'reversal' of what an existing law at will by an agency or it's workers. There has to be some basis for it .. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 4:52 PM, RickG wrote: Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is no more! I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated - expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS. My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law, that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for an industry standard. -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about What Travis shared with you is accurate As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does not dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the scope of the Law Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote: Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
This is in no way way to put your responses down JP...but in almost all your responses you have responded as a WISP that is making money Yes, I expect USF money to be used as bait in how this plays out. SNIP I see no reason to have permanent USF subsidy. It is money down the toilet over the long run and a tax that seriously hinders people's ability to afford communications services. A big part of current USF money goes to switching which I see as an antiquated hierarchy where small rural towns have their own switch, with all it's maintenance and support. With the advent of cheap high capacity fiber created by ARRA projects and private upgrades, smaller digital switches, wholesale access to switch partitions, and VOIP, there is no technical reason to permanently subsidize modern distributed switching. If permanent support for switching were tapered off, the rural phone companies could find cheaper ways to do voice switching. The cellcos almost all have some sort of architecture where all their sites in the state go back to single state-wide switches. When not used for switching, permanent USF pays for monopoly infrastructure that discourages rural competition by irrationally priced services. The current USF charges are a tax as you put it in high density areas on telco charges. That is used to give rural telcos money to build out and sustain telephone coverage to very under served(remote areas...like 10-20 houses per square mile). The current plan on USF is to only let one entity have access to this. If you have any competitor that is an ILEC or CLEC, you can pretty much kiss your luck of getting this good by! It would put too much work on an already understaffed FCC, and they already favor telcos over anything else. A tax rebate would be highly preferable to USF, as it would be a reduction in taxation rather than an increase in taxation. Either way, non-permanent support is the only thing I can advocate. I like the idea of non-permanent support for unserved/underserved areas. My state's ConnectME fund is looking at a one-time ISP payment (per customer) to support high-cost installations to unserved locations. The details of how much and under what conditions are undecided, but it would address the high CPE/installation costs that plague broadband expansion and would not cause long term dependence on government. This would be an alternative to the present system of government funded infrastructure projects. This would be less apt to stir a hornets nest of capitalism versus government funded project overbuilding, which is more and more apt to happen. Considering past tax rebates, or credits, to take full advantage would require that you are way in the black. This would help newer WISP somewhat, but most are in the red from the beginning. It would definitely help sustained WISP's that have been at it for a few years. Scottie -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules]
A-Men, all this $hit started years ago and I do not know if a Democrat or Republican was in office when it started. All I know is that the FCC has been behind the big guys for at least close to 10 years or longer! Time for a change. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net Reply-To: fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:43:13 -0400 I don't have a problem with what you have stated... however your first sentence is rather in-accurate... The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and associated agencies which deeply affect our business, Ask any of the Wireline Service Providers, they will tell you things started many years ago... what you are seeing is the result of actions taken by the previous administration... If you state your message as in Hey the Gov has been moving in a direction that is going to put us on the short end of the stick.. I am sure you are not going to get much argument... and also be prepared to answer the next question...What should we be doing about it ? I don't know if your are doing this on purpose or without realizing... when you start attributing what is happening now to the current administration then guess what Pal.. you are showing up pretty late to the party Throwing tantrums about politics on the list, is what most folks get annoyed with While, Stating facts about a bill that has been passed, and about what obligations it produces on all of us in the years down the road is valid and valuable info..presenting it as a 'we are getting snookerd by the current folks in charge', is like crying over split milk. Go back and look at the FCC for the past 12 years, and one cannot help realize that they have never been 'friends' of the smaller service providers, weather it was Republicans in charge or Democrats. Republicans have clearly demonstrated, that they like to support Big Business who give them a lot of money and promise them cushy jobs after they get out of office... The Democrats tend to look thru thier Rose colored glasses, on behalf of the people, as if they know what is good for them. Guess what.. if you are a small business, service provider, you get screwed either way... Want to convert your frustrations into action ? go make Trips to DC and give your favorite representative an earful. Faisal -- Original Message -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:13:21 -0700 The operating ideology of the current Congress, President, and associated agencies which deeply affect our business, our industry, our ability to even BE in business is definitely of no concern when it comes to us as wireless operators. Got it. And with that I remind you that sticking your head in the sand does NOT stop the waves from crashing over you. This is the single most important thing, PERIOD, in our long term ability to remain in business, feed ourselves, etc. Yet, it is bothersome to you all? I am dumbfounded.Discussions about WiMax vs UBNT vs 802.11 or license-lite or even the best networking standards and construction standards are all important, but they mean absolutely nothing if we experience a global version of Greece and Portugal's recent little debacles.Do you know how far we are from it?Inches. Literally. The United States government has a lower credit rating than a number of large financial firms.If you do not comprehend what that means, and how utterly imperative it is that WHOLESALE political change happen IMMEDIATELY, then you're just whistling in the dark. This list, if it manages to survive after one of those, will be little more than each of us sharing our collapse story. How that can possibly be separated from business, and we're all in business is... well, it cannot be. Either we become political, or we all suffer. Currency collapse, or national default would INSTANTLY end most importation ,and we, as WISP's would be so utterly out of luck - and out of everything else, too. If you're going to be so closed minded as to think you need pay no attention, then you deserve the consequences. But I DO NOT deserve the consequences of your failure to use a little gray matter, nor does anyone else. As businesspeople, WE ARE supposedly the leadership of our nation.There IS NO SPACE between business and politics at this moment. Business IS politics, as the politicians have decided to control business and the economy. I don't care if you don't like it. I don't care if you want to pretend you can ignore it. I don't care if you don't agree with my ideology, but unless we are ALL willing to stick up for our ability to operate a business, we'll have none. I have NOT gone looking for this fight.YOU did
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
To start out with, I have heard nothing but bad news about Super Pass. I have never used them, so I am NOT speaking from experience. I am also a 80% or more Canopy shop...so take that as you will. For Canopy, I have used 120 degree H-pol Tiltek sectors...they work !@@@!...@!@ great! But they are expensive I am one to buy the close to what I think is best first and worry about the consequences later. I sleep better. Now in your situation, the Super Pass may work great? The only 900 Mhz I have used is Canopy. Canopy supposedly has the magic sauce of GPS timing. On the Tiltek sectors, with Canopy, I have customers out to 10.5 miles away and could have further but that is the the MAX AP distance that is set on my Moto 900 AP's. If you are trying to go PTP, I can offer you some suggestions on things much cheaper. If you are going to try PtMP, my suggestion will be Canopy unless you expect less than 20 subs. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:02:10 -0400 I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
If I had to do it all over again, I would say run, run as far away as possible. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:46:55 -0700 LOL This should be good. Think 1001 ways to skin a cat.. First, you need to tell us more about what you want to do. WHERE will the system be located? Cincinnati or elsewhere? In town, in the burbs or 10 miles out of town? What is the geography like there? Hills, flat, trees (how tall, what kind) etc.? What services do you wish to offer? Best effort DSL grade, Leased line replacements, backup circuits for fiber runs, etc.? What kind of a budget do you have? $500, $5000, $50,000? Are you an ISP already or is this a totally new thing for you (will you need web, mail and billing systems etc.)? Lets start with that. marlon - Original Message - From: Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
1889. That's a damn good hard drive. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it has, I just dunno. - Original Message - From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long time as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get it started. The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the attached pictures hard drive 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot and Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel universe. I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and well behaved. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... Every component is subject to failure. I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... Samsung ram - feels like its all doa On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a distributor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I
Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies
TN did not ask for customer addresses. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:59:53 -0400 Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Michigan Contact: ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes [te...@tholmes.net] . Oregon Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Pennsylvania Contact: Diane Lizambri [dlizam...@deltaone.com] . Florida Contact: ConnectFlorida . Illinois Contact: ConnectIllinois . Nebraska . Alaska Contact: ConnectAlaska . Iowa Contact: ConnectIowa . Kansas Contact: ConnectKansas . Minnesota Contact: ConnectMinnesota . Nevada Contact: ConnectNevada . South Carolina Contact: ConnectSouthCarolina . Tennessee Contact: ConnectedTennessee . Texas Contact: ConnectedTexas . Mississippi Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . South Dakota Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Montana Contact: Montana Department of Commerce . Utah Contact: Utah Public Service Commission (PSC) . New Hampshire Contact: University of New Hampshire (UNH) There may be others active that I haven't heard of yet. I'm sure other people will chime in and hopefully fill in some contact names and email addresses. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward that directly to the NTIA. We now have a person I can contact directly to express our concerns with this process as necessary. The NTIA has weekly conference calls with the states so there are opportunities to help this process along. Thank You, Brian Webster --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2809 - Release Date: 04/13/10 20:22:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M Was: Ubiquiti made no points today
Michael, Do you have a link to the firmware? It is not listed at their website. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:12:14 -0400 Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the M units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: After falling in like with the Rocket M Nano's the Rocket M Bullets and the Mimos I have to say I'm firmly unimpressed with the integrated antenna series. We bought a pack of 10 of the 27dbi grids, not one of them would associate to our Mimos yet a bullet and in some cases, where distance wasn't a factor, the Nano Rockets did so without a problem. We just took delivery on the Nano Dish units, we wanted them to do some short range backhauls. Today was our first, replacing a 10MB Motorola backhaul at 5.2 miles, we set up the new dishes up in the office WDS on, WPA on they connected at -50 (as they should in the office), connection firm all night. Installed them today, the AP working well we headed up the mountain to install the other one. It would not see or connect to the other Nano Dish no matter whether we used the lower powered 5.2 or the more generous 5.7/8 frequency range. Gradually turning off the WDS, then the WPA, then making it 20 MHZ, finally we gave up and the unnecessary beating to my bucket truck that had to climb that mountain left me in a pretty foul mood over the new gear. I'm about to RMA all of it and go back to just bullets and Rockets. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
No problem. We really need this spectrum, as was the reason for my ramblings on the cybertelecom list about Rhetoric on Comcast vs. ATT. All they were talking about was the duoply and how the FCC is going to go before Congress so they have the authority to treat all ISP's as telcos. I was trying to make the point that (1) the FCC needs to realize there are other ISP's out there besides cable companies and telcos, and (2) To not auction off the whitespace spectrum because it will just end up in the hands of the duoply. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 08:30:49 -0400 Scottie that is a great link. Thankyou Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:51:26 -0400 I probably wont get to it today, but I'll find the google earth overlay that I had that showed it, and post it to the list shortly. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel availabilty in their areas, and determine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their territory or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in the VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue but not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF channels would require more forward error correction to provide high quality service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have coverage to 100% of my potential customer base. John Scrivner On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to clock the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving customers more bandwidth and faster service. Yes it would cut through trees and I would love it. But at 2-3X dialup speed? The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your penetration (800 Mhz). Someone enlighten me here. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural market. At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse any channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense. I know some of the discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna would look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so. A TV antenna is by necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of frequencies. A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built to blend with the aesthetics of a home or business. Heck, if this comes to pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 239.770.6203 end_of_the_skype_highlighting m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun
Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
This may have already been answered or may not be exactly what you are looking for, but: http://showmywhitespace.com/ shows what is available. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:51:26 -0400 I probably wont get to it today, but I'll find the google earth overlay that I had that showed it, and post it to the list shortly. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Tom, Could you give us a hint how we would find this info? Randy It might be a good idea for WISPs to look up their Whitechannel availabilty in their areas, and determine if VHF channels 1-7 are available in their territory or not. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivnerj...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC I am not sure where you get your assumptions but they are not correct. Every television channel has available 6 MHz of bandwidth and can be modulated with the same amount of data regardless of where the channel resides in the VHF or UHF frequency bands. The limiting factor for these lowest VHF channels is the overall higher noise level which is certainly an issue but not a deal killer for us. I am guessing that our use of the lowest VHF channels would require more forward error correction to provide high quality service. In my opinion this is a minor annoyance to be able to have coverage to 100% of my potential customer base. John Scrivner On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Mike, though I agree that circular polarization could work. What channel width are you going to need to have a usable system. I mean in the VHF band of 54 Mhz to 88 Mhz the frequency is to slow to have any ability to clock the data through at any worth wile speed. We are supposed to be giving customers more bandwidth and faster service. Yes it would cut through trees and I would love it. But at 2-3X dialup speed? The upper bands are definitely better but then you lower your penetration (800 Mhz). Someone enlighten me here. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:24 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Awesome report! Thanks. Give me equipment capable of 20 watts, circularly polarized sectors, a turnstile antenna on the CPE, and it would be a perfect fit for THIS rural market. At that power level, and circular polarization, I could reuse any channel on the same tower using opposite circular sense. I know some of the discussion in the past on this list led some to believe an antenna would look like a big TV log periodic, but it just isn't so. A TV antenna is by necessity a broadband device, and as such is BIG to handle a RANGE of frequencies. A turnstile or other narrow band antenna could be built to blend with the aesthetics of a home or business. Heck, if this comes to pass, I may go into the antenna building business just for this usage. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 239.770.6203 end_of_the_skype_highlighting m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC This is a great report good job guys and thank you. Next question. I don't know any of the team personally just from your posts. The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who left to right. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in Washington D.C. to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings. The following
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
Yep, same here. Much smaller than you: http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html They had already built out FTH on all the areas we cover. They also asked for money to expand out into areas already covered by Comcast and what they already covered with slower speeds(Comcast disputed), which I think is not right! The BBS is bunch of freaking bull, without the real investigations into this...But I digress, In the FCC, no-one exist but the cable and the telco companies? It is a duoploy and it is not going to be changed anytime soon, I hope I am wrong! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:02:05 -0600 Hi, So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes per second. The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers. That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER. Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot, Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4 or 5 provider choices. Let the waste begin :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Stimulus waste
I am behind on reading the messages, so I am behind. http://www.nctc.com/version_3.0/StimBlog/BBStimulus.html This company had already built out FTTH in our service area. They had also received protest from Comcast in their proposed area. It did not affect anything! Comcast is offering 3X NCTC's bandwidth until this order. One thing you will find surprising is that the former General Manager of North Central was Thomas Rowland and Director F. Thomas Rowland was named Secretary-Treasurer http://www.rtfc.coop/information/pdf/CC_spring03.pdf. AND http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html AND http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-144567858.html. WTF? Scott -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:22:30 -0400 Way to go Matt! On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I filed 32 protests during the first round of the stimulus plan, and none of them were funded. Protest long and protest often. From what I have seen so far, most of the frivolous projects have been rejected handily. Don't get all worked up about the waste until it finally comes to pass. It was pretty clear from looking at the first round apps that there were a lot of stupid, wasteful applications. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 4/7/2010 7:29 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Insert explicatives here Thats 26 Y E A R S of my higher end tier of service, per customer. Why the #3!! do things not get BID out? Who can do X users for the lowest $ I mean come on, that is just horrible. It doesnt even factor in what those new users will be paying for the service. I need to find out if they have applies for my area, I manage client networks with qwest dsl and they have been giving some BS about upgrading modems (for a /mo fee) when all the sites have adsl2+ modems. Not good On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: Hi, So, as I said since the Broadband Stimulus act was passed, the money will be wasted. Qwest just applied for $467 MILLION dollars to upgrade their DSL infrastructure in my coverage areas. They want to expand and upgrade the slower 7meg connections to go up to 12 to 40 megabytes per second. The article says they will increase coverage to 29,922 new customers. That's an average cost of $15,607 PER CUSTOMER. Many of the areas they list (Idaho Falls, Rexburg, Ammon, Blackfoot, Rigby, Shelley, etc.) already have at least 3 providers and some have 4 or 5 provider choices. Let the waste begin :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower
Makes me think of the Blue Man Group, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:45:28 -0500 If it was the pipe, wouldn't the tone be a single tone? It goes up and down in scale and makes what sounds like 4 notes. Even with the lasso at the top to stabilize the stick, the antenna does bow a bit in the wind and that's when the tone changes. If I put more of those lassos down the antenna to stabilize it, would it stop? Maybe if it IS the pvc I'd have an 8 part tune! The poly rope goes through the PVC and is knotted. Do you think enough air still goes by it to make a tune? Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower Have you tried plugging the ends of the PVC to see if the sound subsides? If you're lucky, it's not the antenna but the sound of the wind passing through the pipe (it sounds like it gets windy up there!) -- Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Yea, I learned my lesson. I now use 7.5dB Omni's with downtilt. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:58:08 -0600 Can't say how many times I posted on different lists warning about 15 dBi omnis. It is next to impossible to make a 15 dBi omni with any usable elevation beamwidth at all - electrical downtilt or not. 12 dBi is pretty much the maximum and at that you will be lucky to see anything over a degree on the elevation pattern. Having been in the antenna business before and with a partner who made a career out of designing antennas, I can tell you that we would never use an omni greater than 10 dBi for any application. On 3/31/2010 8:39 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: lol Yeah, it sucks. Really the vendors that sell those configs are the ones that we should all avoid like the plague. Then BOTH companies would go away sooner than later. Anyone remember Hyperlink? They loved to sell those 1 watt amps with 15dB omni antennas. Those guys put more operators out of business than there are in business today. It's a shame. But hey, that's what these lists are for. ASK QUESTIONS! Don't know about everyone else here but I'd rather answer the same question twice a week than see a company fail due to bad advice. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Marlon, I think people should have to take a test in order to be a WISP. Otherwise you got all these pop-up idiots that know nothing about RF and setting up 20db sectors with XR2's set at default power levels. This is well over 50watts EIRP. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I get what you are saying Bob. But sometimes it's more about knowing WHO to call. I just had a guy call with a similar problem. You all know him and I'd drop his name but I don't want to tip off the dirt bag operator. When he first called the FCC he ended up at the wrong place. They told him that there was nothing they could do. I had him call back and specifically ask for the enforcement folks NOT the consumer complaint folks. He had pictures, spectrum analyzer, radio screen shots etc. that showed, clearly, that the other guy was aiming antennas right at his. When the good guy moved channels the bad guy moved with him, within days. He was also able to get together with another local WISP who added his name to the complaint. This did take a couple of months to work through the system but last I'd heard the FCC HAD been working on this complaint. Perhaps it's far enough along that the good guy can tell you a bit more. 1-800-call-fcc Ask for ENFORCEMENT. You need to have your documentation in order first. It's true that we all have to accept interference. It's also true that we can't CAUSE it maliciously. They also have a hissy fit when we go over the allowable power levels. For what it's worth, nearly all of my systems are below, often well below, legal levels. They tend to work better that way anyhow. Use bigger antennas not more power. Range and reliability is about SNR. You can get that in two ways. More power is one. Better ears is another. Better ears also mean narrower beams which usually means less interference which also means greater SNR which means longer ranges which means less AP's which means less interference etc. etc. etc. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Lakelandlakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Marlon, You have personal contacts. That's cheating. I have contacts too and could probably get action if I needed it but I am talking the regular Wisp calling the field office. Unless you have an inside number at the field office you usually only get the recorded TV interference message. Maybe I'm just totally wrong. -B- Marlon K. Schafer writes: H, I've had much better luck that than Bob. marlon - Original Message - From: Lakelandlakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Sorry I side with Travis. I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle
As a rule of thumb, as the dB gets higher(or smaller in negative speak) in an antenna, the beam width of the opposing polarity of the antenna gets smaller, and thus harder to work with. As an example, I have used 15dB Omni's in 2.4Ghz(I'll leave the brand unannounced). I first put them about 60 feet in the air and found that I could not get a good usable signal unless I was about 2 miles or so from the tower. I dropped them to 20 - 25 feet and picked up clients within .25 miles out to a couple of miles. The horizontal beam width on the Omni was so small, I was way overshooting my intended target. Lesson learned was to always look at both vert and horiz beam width, and lesson learned on the 15dB Omni is to only use in trailer parks, very small subdivisions, and RV parks... and ... to not mount it above 30 feet high. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:41:21 -0400 Well, I've been setting up a service contract with my friends on planet Wispalon so I need to find the proper tilt angle to beam the signal into space. :) Yeah, I've been mindful to stay off the horizon, seems wasteful in a big way. I'm not a trig scholar so I use basic tilt angle calculators which have never failed me but these things have me upside down. Tower height, distance desired and all are good to have but I was really interested in others experiences with them and how they have been able to get their angles. Again, the smaller, lower gain sectors have been right on the money but I wasn't aware (ignorant) that these high gain units would give me a smaller slice to work with. On the advice of another member I have been trying one AP with 4 120 degree 19dbi sectors used as 90's. Signal is great where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do the 2 man show all over the county. (With everyone in a pickup truck stopping to ask why we're by the road with an antenna) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence E. Bakst Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle Technically speaking you're wrong. The highest gain area of a sector antenna is the center point between the horizontal and vertical spreads. If you don't downtilt you are sending the strongest part of the signal parallel to the horizon. Why would you ever want to do that? The whole reason you downtilt is to get the strongest signal pointed to the area you want. Figuring this out takes some basic trig calcs using the tangent function. No one has asked the most important questions you need to know when calculating downtilt: 1. How high up is the sector antenna? 2. How far out or in what range near to far do you want the sweet spot? 3. How close in to the tower do you need service? #2 and #3 can conflict with each other and you may have to make a tradeoff. leb At 2:22 PM -0400 3/29/10, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: . Technically speaking.. if you are not concerned about dealing with 'near' customers less than 1 or 2 miles... then you can pretty much leave the sectors at '0' tilt.. and you have coverage to the horizon The built-in electrical down-tilt typically throws folks off.. only becomes a factor if you are needing to down tilt for near customers.. Faisal. On 3/29/2010 1:36 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm having a heck of a time with the large UBNT sectors getting the tilt angle to jive. With the smaller sectors, they behave perfectly and go right where the calculations say they will however, with the larger ones, nothing I do other than have someone 10 miles out with a CPE check levels while I tilt up and down seems to be good. I REALLY don't want to have to do that with all of them... Anyone having any success or insight with the proper tilt of these things? Using the 120 degree 5GHz flavors. Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- l...@iridescent.org
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 times a day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was there my supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not getting unloaded fast enough. I can see why it was broken. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400 I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS FedEx drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got 150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off. Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you. That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it. -RickG On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postfix/Dovecot Experts
On that note, does anyone have a website or listing of defunct DNSBL's or any defunct blacklists? Would be nice if you could sign up for some kind of warning via email or whatever. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:15:56 -0700 Are you using a DNSBL that doesn't work anymore or that is blocking you? Is the delay before or after the banner, and if after, at what point? Have you tried doing an SMTP session by hand with telnet to see where the delay is? -Kristian On Mon, 2010-03-22 at 16:33 -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: I have a CentOS box that uses LDAP to authenticate my POP3/IMAP/SMTP queries to my Active Directory server. I am having problems with the SMTP side. It works, but people are complaining it is slow, like 30 seconds to 60 seconds for the sending/authentication to happen. I don't see anything in the logs, but if anyone is familiar with Postfix using PAM/LDAP, please hit me offlist. I am looking for ideas for logging levels and/or troubleshooting advice. Thanks, Eric WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
But THEY are going to get one, and I doubt you or I will see that change during our lifetime. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:42:57 -0500 On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 13:29 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these networks, then I think we should have access to use it too. This is the wrong way to view it, though. I'm not looking to argue the point, but want to address this in a slightly different way. Let's take an area called ruralville, us. In Ruralville, there is a population of 1000 citizens who earn an average of $22k/year. If there were no high speed options in ruralville, would YOU build a network there? I know I would. Especially if I carried the backhaul in from a larger network. Would you require someone else to pay for the gear, or could you make the numbers work for that area? I know I could make the numbers work. NOW...the question is: If it is feasible to make it work without a subsidy, WHY SHOULD ANYONE GET ONE FOR THAT AREA? In my mind, it's not about if they get one, I want one, too. It is more along the line of if I don't NEED one, neither do they. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE powered POE Splitter with Switch?
I asked the same over on the Motorola list a few months back. No one knew of anything, but Chuck at Wireless Beehive said if there was enough interested he would build one. My idea was almost like yours except I wanted the ability to change the positive and negative pins for other equipment that is not following the POE standard (Moto). Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:46:38 -0430 Does anyone know of or use a POE powered POE splitter/switch combo which could be tower mounted which would allow a single ethernet cable carrying POE (perferrably 48v) up the tower, and then would pass POE (adjustable voltages) to multiple devices and also act as a switch (preferably managed)? I'm thinking of something that would let a person run a single Ethernet up the tower and then connect multiple POE powered devices. It seems like this is something that would be a big hit. Yes, I Googled it first. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Ok, I see you guy's points. I was looking at it from the point if the gov't is going to keep giving the big guys tax breaks, USF, and whatever else, it is like I am competing against my/our own money. If they are giving them some form of subsidy to build these networks, then I think we should have access to use it too. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Reply-To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:17:26 -0400 Wow Mark. For once I can actually state that I agree with your statements. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:54 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Scottie, the problem is nothing at all to do with open access.This open access has the effect of fixing the type of access. Once you build a network, and a third party mandates you share it at prices they set, no more networks will be built. The prices will be fixed, the technology will be fixed, and nobody in that system will move anywhere. Why should they? Profit is guaranteed, forever, even if subsidy is required to support it. You have to have multiple last miles for there to be ANY competition in technological advancement. And one has to be able to build their own network and use it to best advantage without interference... or why build?If you don't believe me... Just agree to the following statement: I agree to build a network, then allow MDK to use it at a price set by people who want the public to think they're being given something at rich people's expense, and I will maintain, update, and continue to upgrade capacity, while everyone who uses my network abuses it to the maximum possible amount, while doing everything to undercut my price. I also agree that if I charge enough that I can undercut the other users, that I will continue to share at ever lower prices, so that the appearance of a monopoly will not become apparent. Yes, we have a duopoly, sort of, with cable and dsl being at an uneasy truce, but fix the prices on both, and both will halt, exactly where they are, and no further advancement will occur in EITHER industry.Why should they? Any effort to get ahead in the game simply results in your piece of the pie being confiscated and given to those who put no investment into it. Once the pipe has been defined in price, size, and technology, it simply becomes fixed.Which is why telephone service took more than a half century to advance from rotary dial to DTMF. Once we blew apart the official monopoly and allowed competition for every mile, the actual obsolescence of voice over copper became obvious in a very short period of time. You want to see REAL advancement happen?Have the FCC and Congress reduce regulatory barriers to all forms of telecommunication - from spectrum shortages, to monopoly status for various types of providers, to rules about availability of public real estate, and the repeal of at least 90% of the completely useless and pointless regulations out there. We don't need Congress or some pointy-heads at the FCC to write us a plan. it will be asininely stupid as the old Soviet Union plans to modernize the USSR.Beaurocrats are and always will be utterly incompetent at deciding such future directions. Have them repeal 99% of the income tax, OSHA, and other rules (keeping the .5% that are useful), remove the barriers to competition that exist at both federal and state levels, and give us some tools to fight the local ones, and then run for cover, because we'll be charging into the future like tigers chasing prey. Once we start setting prices by some beaurocrat, and using regulators to decide fair cost or fair price of something, that's basically... the end.They will never admit to their failures and from that point on, the game is: If it succeeds and makes a profit, tax it. If taxing it doesn't fix it, tax it some more. Once you've killed it with stupidity, then subsidize it forever to make your plan look like a success. I want no part of such things, and how DARE you people think it's a good idea to force it upon the people, and upon us... with our own money used against us, of all things. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:28 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ Did they even give the open access a chance even back then? This was the start for the end of the dial-up ISP's. Do they not remember the end of line
Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact
Crown Castle owns the towers Verizon is on in my area, TN. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Reply-To: aosg...@streamline-solutions.net,WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:38:53 + Are you sure VZ owns the tower? In many areas of the country, while VZ may be the most prominent tenant, someone else actually owns and manages the tower site --Original Message-- From: Gary Garrett Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VZ Tower Contact Sent: Mar 16, 2010 10:27 Co-locate with Verizon? ha ha ha ha ha ! HA HA HA HA HA!!~!! I hope you have applied for CLEC status and have a BIG BIG bank account! On 3/16/2010 6:54 AM, chris cooper wrote: Does anyone have a good contact for VZ tower Co-lo in the Midwest? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
The only good statement out of this which may deserve Merit to us WISP is: At the urging of liberal advocacy groups like Free Press and Public Knowledge, Mr. Genachowski also wants to use the national broadband plan as a vehicle for returning to the bad old 1990s era of open access regulations. He recommends forcing major broadband providers like Time Warner Cable and Qwest to share their high-speed networks with smaller competitors at federally set rates. We can't think of a better way to reduce capital investment and slow the build-out of high-speed networks. Did they even give the open access a chance even back then? This was the start for the end of the dial-up ISP's. Do they not remember the end of line sharing in the early 2000's? The throw-off of what the big players did not think would ever succeed, being dial-up and what may come afterward? No, they were making big money even off that. Then they looked forward for once and saw that the future was not as bright as they had thought. NOW, they want it all, and still do! I will say again, let's go back to the Computer Inquires Acts and force these big players to go by the books...no cross subsidizing, an Enforcement Bureau at the FCC that can't be paid off, etc If they think we can not build our own networks out of what they have built(with gov't help), then us WISP have been building out networks that the big guys will not serve for almost 2 decades. The article claims that open access slows buildouts and innovation. WTF? I know that we can prove that different. I have built networks out in the middle of BFE, and many of you have in much larger population areas! The big guys have not because they can't see a return in the next 10 years...that seems to happen when you have to bury fiber or copper into the middle of nowhere, without USF funds, or other gov't incentives. Being bent over in BFE, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:48 -0400 Wow, Jack and Patrick. I respect the two of you as much as any two people in this industry. Has the day come when posting an article about broadband, from a respected national newspaper, warrants this sort of a response on list? I wasn't trying to throw a bomb...I don't really have a firm opinion on this particular matter. I thought that the List members would be interested in the article. End of story. There are many different points of view on this List. I respect that and I can respectfully disagree with just about anyone. I really try to keep my personal political opinions confined to Facebook. If the day has come that one cannot make this sort of post, then maybe it's time for me to drop off of the List. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 800-813-5123 end_of_the_skype_highlighting x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ It's those damn communists. They're on the march again. Quick, man the barricades! Wait, I'm wrong. It's ATT and Verizon. They're on the march again. Quick, open the gates to the City. Jeff Broadwick wrote: REVIEW OUTLOOK MARCH 15, 2010 Broadband Trojan Horse The FCC has a new plan but doesn't want a vote. Health care isn't the only policy arena in which the Obama Administration aims to ram through controversial new rules. The Federal Communications Commission is set to unveil a national broadband plan opposed by industry and without any of the five commissioners voting on it. Last year, Congress directed the FCC to develop a plan to make high-speed Internet available to more people. But given that 95% of Americans already have access to some form of broadband-and 94% can choose from at least four wireless carriers-rapid broadband deployment is already occurring without new government mandates. Since 1998, the FCC has classified broadband as an information service subject to less regulation than traditional telecom services. The Supreme Court's Brand X decision in 2005 validated that classification, and the upshot has been more investment, innovation and competition among Internet service providers, all to the benefit of consumers. In 2009 alone, broadband providers spent nearly $60 billion on their networks. Absent any evidence of market failure, the best course for the FCC is to report back to Congress that a broadband industrial policy is unnecessary. Instead, FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is moving to increase the reach of his agency and expand government control of the Web. Among other things, he wants broadband services reclassified so the FCC can
Re: [WISPA] here it come$
LOL, good one. -- Original Message -- From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net Reply-To: spie...@avolve.net Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:50:30 -0500 Computer Inquiry Acts = CIA -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:34:12 -0600 EXACTLY! Good old Computer Inquires Acts! Wish they were still valid? and/or enforced...and had an FCC enforcement bureau to keep it true. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com Reply-To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:38:44 -0500 RANT Gee, now this (ESPN Live 360) won't make the Cable-Op internet providers have an unfair advantage over traditional ISPs! You have to imagine that the cable-op's are negotiating this internet service into their network programming agreements with EPSN, whereas if you are a non-cable-op you will have to pay outright and separate for the service and then pass along that fee to all of your subscribers or more likely... eat the cost. This is another case where a utility is able to abuse its monopoly power to the disadvantage of a non-utility ISP. The regulated and non-regulated portions of a company that engages in internet service need to be forced to conduct business as arms-length transactions. For instance... if MegaCableCompany operates as a Cable TV provider and operates as an internet provider, the Cable TV provider business unit is regulated and enjoys an advantage as a utility, whereas the Internet Provider Business Unit is unregulated and operates in an open market. The Cable TV unit is free to negotiate terms for TV programming from the various networks. The Internet Unit is free to negotiate terms of service for internet related valued-added-services. Whereas, the Cable TV unit should not be permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services. (i.e. ESPN Live 360). The CableTV unit as a utility providing TV service should have no interest in internet valued added services. However, in the alternative... if the Cable TV unit were permitted to negotiate terms for unrelated internet services, it should be prepared to offer those services to the open market at the same rate that it charges its own Internet Service Business Unit!! Of course.. this argument may sound familiar to some of you... I've made this same argument time and time again for the unbundling of network elements within the TelCo monopolies. If you sell phone service as a utility, your associated unregulated ISP business unit should not enjoy preferential pricing with regards to internet transport or internet termination. /RANT Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs
Are you going to sell these? I have been looking for something like this to do repeater sites with. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Cameron Crum cc...@dot11net.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:53:17 -0600 That is the answer I was looking for. We have these multi-poe boards we designed and had a bunch manufactured ... just passive devices that take an input voltage and spread it across 9 ethernet ports with two of the ports switchable between the input voltage and 12V. The signal side of the ethernet ports go to mirrored ports on the other side of the board to plug into a switch/router. I was thinking that if there was an easy way to sense the connection, I could throw in an XOR chip and a few small relays to make a cheap remote power cycle per port by simply disabling the port on the switch or router on the signal side of the board. Since the switch chip is involved, it becomes a much more complex and expensive part. Cameron On 3/11/2010 2:38 PM, Lawrence E. Bakst wrote: The link LED and all other LEDs for Ethernet Jacks/Connections are driven by the Ethernet PHY chip or the Ethernet chip itself the PHY is integrated. Link is turned on by the PHY sensing the LIT (link integrity test) in 10BaseT which I believe has become part of the auto-negotiation protocol in later standards. This is part of the Layer-1 (Physical Later) protocol in the spec. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonegotiation So to be clear it's not just a LED hooked up to one of the wire via a resister or some analog hack like that. The PHY knows that their is another PHY on the other side of the cable and if the PHY sees the other PHY it turns on the LINK light. PHYs often provide other lines to show collision, speed, and duplex and these can be tied into other individual LEDS or bi-color LEDs. If the link lights are on at both ends the connection is good. It still might be the case that a duplex mismatch or bad auto-speed negotiation could cause problems. Both of these problems show up from time to time, especially on older gear. For both cases the cure is often to fix the speed or duplex on one side and that prevents the auto-negotiation from failing. One cause of not getting a link light is that a MDI/MDI-X mismatch. Most newer chips have auto MDI/MDI-X which prevents the problem in most cases. leb At 12:52 PM -0500 3/11/10, Robert West wrote: Yeah, but which circuit? The transmit, receive or maybe the unused pairs? That got me wondering also. Anyone know what pair triggers the light??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet LEDs Simple terms it's the completion of a circuit. --- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crumcc...@dot11net.com wrote: This may be a little out there, but does anyone know what causes the link light to show on an ethernet jack when the cable is plugged in? Is it as simple as just attaching an led to one of the signal wires, or is there some logic in there. Just curious. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone having this problem with UBNT Bullet M2?
Not having the same exact problem as you, but I put a bulletM2HP on my network, an it is VERY SLOW to respond to the web interface. I am talking minutes, not seconds. No Airmax and 20Mhz channel. I don't have the logs or extra reporting either. Still slow as molasses. Everything I read on the UBNT forum's it is an ongoing problem that they have not admitted yet. I have ried 5.1 and 5.1.2 firmware. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:05:26 -0430 Just posted this to the UBNT forum: I have had the following problem repeatedly. It's clearly repeatable. Problem: After adjusting output power and clicking apply the unit is no longer transmitting (clients can't see it and AirRadar doesn't detect it). What gets it going again is connecting via Ethernet and changing channels. Setup: The M2 is running as AP, 802.11 mode (not AirMax) 20mhz channel width, no encryption, connected to a 120deg sector and powered with a UBNT 15 volt POE and about a 25' Ethernet cable. No, I don't have the logs or extra reporting. If you want me to turn that on and make it happen I can. Anyone else seeing this? Greg p.s. I'm using the latest firmware WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Approved Ad] Special offer from PropelSoftware for WISPAmembers
If you really check into it, it is a data compression deal. Much like zipping up the data with winzip before it crosses the data layer. I really do not see how it can help with broadband in any sense. I used to use the same type deals on dial-up. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:56:22 -0600 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 13:45, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: OK, this looks interesting. It would be nice to drop the amount of data across especially busy parts of the network! Anyone else used this or something similar? This looks a lot like the dialup accelerator software packages that were all the rage several years ago. I'd just about bet Propel's service requires software to be installed on the customer's PC. Assuming that's the case, you won't be able to install it on a Netflix box or a PS3 or basically anything that's not a standard desktop computer. Thus, depending on your customer base, you may not see all that much traffic reduction. We have something similar, from another vendor. It works well enough, though we were marketing it primarily towards dialup users; at the time (several years ago) the effects on a 1Mbps connection were negligible. This probably has changed over time, but our vendor wanted a crazy amount of money to sell us an update that would be compatible with Windows Vista, so we haven't really tested it in quite a while. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Thanks for all the replies and suggestions. I think I will stay with the PC and try out the Atoms with a DOM. One of my goals was to cut down on electric usage also, and it looks like they will do the trick. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:19:47 -0500 I must eat crow... I am horrible at addition and subtraction... 4 years of calculus and you would think I could at least add. Sorry, I forgot I used a USB dongle I already had in my original calculation, thinking it was near $200, but is was $250. Complete system $286, and with quantities, I am sure it will come down. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU and Power Adapter $109 - Jetway NC92-N330 1.6 Dual Atom $49 - Jetway 3 X Gigabit LAN $29 - 1 GB Memory $39 - 1 GB SATA DOM -- $286 I have also built basically the same as above, but an Intel D945GCLF (Single Core Intel chipset) for about the same. $69 - M350 Enclosure with PSU (unneeded) and Power Adapter $69 - Motherboard $9 - Riser Card $29 - 1 GB Memory $10 - USB Flash Drive $99 - RB44G (or 4 port Ethernet card) - $285 Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? Care to share your parts list? I can't seem to put everything together for less than $200... and I'd love to test one of these. Travis Microserv Eric Rogers wrote: We have been testing mini-box.com's little toys. They are Atom processors, but with a SATA DOM, dual core 1.6GHz Atom, 3 GB Ether add-on (total of 4 GB ports), we have been able to keep them right at the $200 mark. We just implemented our first one this week. So far, so good. The true test is the heat of the summer in some of these enclosures. None are vented, but the sites are kept less than 90*. For $200, I can stock many on the shelf for lightning replacements. I am really worried more about the heat. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:19 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard? All of those are steps down from his current P4 based system. The only way to get more performance is to build your own X86 system. Travis Microserv can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for
[WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
Hey guys, I am thinking about replacing my X86 PC running MT with a routerboard. My current setup is a P4 1.7Ghz with 256 Meg Ram. I am routing 7.5 Mbit, soon to be 10 Mbit. I have 183 filter rules, 76 Mangles, and 215 Simple queues. I do some filters with L7 and I have no DHCP server running. CPU usage averages %20 - %25 and Mem averages around 50 Meg. Are there routerboards available that can handle what I have running now and have some room for growth in the future? I need at least 4 Ethernet ports and do not need wireless at all. Suggestions? Thanks, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Changes
And to add, I thought the Broadband Stimulus was to make more broadband available. The telco's have everything already handed to them and have not done it in years. Now the gov't wants to make this available only to one provider in a given area? Who do you think will get that? WTH? I think we need to vote every elected person out of office now! Oh wait, money talks! Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:50:17 -0500 As a WISP, I resent the idea that my tax dollars may be used to compete with me. As a taxpayer, at what point will the government realize we cant afford all this? -RickG On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: FCC to propose revamping Universal Service Fund AP By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology Writer Fri Mar 5, 5:25 pm ET WASHINGTON Federal regulators trying to bring high-speed Internet connections to all Americans will propose tapping the government program that now subsidizes telephone service in poor and rural areas. The Federal Communications Commission will include a proposal to revamp the Universal Service Fund as part of a national broadband plan due to Congress on March 17. Although the proposal itself has been expected for months, Friday's announcement offered the first solid details. The FCC said it envisions transforming the Universal Service program over the next decade to pay for high-speed Internet access instead of the traditional voice services that it currently finances. The proposal would create a Connect America fund inside the Universal Service program to subsidize broadband, and a Mobility Fund to expand the reach of so-called 3G, or third-generation, wireless networks. It's time to migrate this 20th-century program, said Blair Levin, the FCC official overseeing the broadband plan, which was mandated by last year's stimulus bill. We need to move the current system from the traditional networks to the new networks. The Universal Service Fund was established to ensure that all Americans have access to a basic telephone line. Today, the program subsidizes phone service for the poor, funds Internet access in schools and libraries and pays for high-speed connections for rural health clinics. But its biggest function is to bring telephone service to remote, sparsely populated corners of the country, where it is uneconomical for the private companies to build networks. Funding for the $8-billion-a-year program comes from a surcharge that businesses and consumers pay on their long-distance bills. That revenue base is shrinking, placing the Universal Service Fund under mounting pressure even as the FCC seeks to use it to subsidize broadband. The agency's plan will lay out several options to pay for the proposals it outlined Friday, including one that would require no additional money from Congress and one that would accelerate the construction of broadband networks if Congress approves a one-time injection of $9 billion. Either way, Levin stressed, the proposal would not increase the annual size of the Universal Service Fund, but rather would take money from subsidies now used for voice services. The FCC would also seek to save money by subsidizing no more than one broadband provider in an areas. Some critics of the program have complained that wireless companies now overlay landline systems with new networks considered duplicative. Levin said Connect America would not favor one technology over another, be it cable, DSL or wireless. The FCC proposal also envisions revamping the multibillion-dollar intercarrier compensation system, the Byzantine menu of charges that telecom carriers pay to access each other's networks and connect calls. Any changes to the Universal Service Fund would also require changes to intercarrier compensation because rural phone companies tend to rely heavily on both funding sources. The FCC's latest proposals will be part of a sweeping national roadmap for bringing universal, affordable broadband connections to all Americans. Although the plan is due on March 17, the agency has already begun releasing details, including a proposal to make more wireless spectrum available for mobile broadband connections by letting television broadcasters and others voluntarily cede some airwaves. Some of the proposals will likely require congressional action, while others might be up to the FCC to implement. Yahoo article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_fcc_universal_service;_ylt=AgSGtpiLKKQbXooR3LKvT.cPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTMzNGcwMmcyBGFzc2V0Ay9hcC8yMDEwMDMwNS9hcF9vbl9oaV90ZS91c190ZWNfZmNjX3VuaXZlcnNhbF9zZXJ2aWNlBHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b21ic3RvbmUEc2xrA2ZjY3RvcHJvcG9zZQ-- -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875
Re: [WISPA] Replace MT X86 with routerboard?
I posted this to Butch's MT list too. To answer a few questions. It is a full P4, not Celeron. I forgot to mention a few things that come to mind. I am using it as DNS server and redirecting(via NAT) all DNS activity through the MT to use the MT DNS cache. I am not using web proxy. At the moment it has a Prizm card for wireless customers(10 total), but I am getting rid of that and going to a BulletM2HP. I am needing 1 of the 4 ports for this. I would like to keep these below $250. I can buy regular x86 much more powerful than this for less money. The reason for trying to go to routerboards is to have standbys ready to go with minimal configuration after copying configs over and setting them up. The other reason is to get rid of the mechanical component of the hard drive...a mistake I made from the beginning. The last reason is to cover all the separate things that can go wrong in an X86 compared to a routerboard. Thanks for all the replies and I am evaluating all of them. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:35:10 -0500 493 only has 128M RAM. Might want a little more. RB800 only has 3 ports, but supports the new RB816 for a total of 19 ports and has a little more horsepower than the 4xxx cards. RB1000 has 4 ports and more horsepower, but I don't think it is expandable. can...@believewireless.net wrote: A RB450G should be fine for what you need. Or use an RB493AH if you need more ports. If you can wait a couple months, the new RB1100 is coming out which looks pretty sweet. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Eje, Did you get my off-list email about POE surge protection on Canopy earlier today? If not, shoot me a direct email, please. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:24:58 -0600 Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not directly related to my e-mail? Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was recipients of cards from the first mass production run). Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500. Order 2k and you might get 500. Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly understand it's meaning well so be it. / Eje Gustafsson WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture. On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the datasheet for it eiter. The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until earliest end of April. / Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Eje, Got an ETA on Powerbridges? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] That black magic
LOL, should have been 25G. I guess that is what I get when thinking about batteries and towers at the same time. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:43:51 -0600 If he is adamant, I would do an analysis with something like radio mobile and keep adding height to his end to get the best result of the analysis. Then, depending on how high he needs to go, suggest buying a tower that is at that height. A single SU would not need more than rg25 with guides since you have already suggested over 20'. IF he had to pay full price for Sat, he would be near the $500 range just for install and Equip. We all know it is junk! Last I checked here rg25 was around $100/sec. At that he could go at least 40 - 50 ft and maybe work? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:39:46 -0600 Short squat corn crib. It has an internal ladder with no outside access, and another ladder on the outside going part way up. I have NOT verified the light is visible at 31 feet. Maybe I should have him climb it on a clear night to verify he can indeed see the light? I know I would be using knife edge diffraction with OFDM modulation. This is a horizontally polarized sector operating on a fractional channel. His part of the county, which is northeast of me lies on a Paleozoic plateau; it is flat for miles. Any neighboring properties would have the same issues. My operations are centered in south county where we have what are referred to as the Bohemian Alps. My property is one of the highest points in the county, and the tower is 180' above that. Right now, my most distant customer is 11 miles and has no issues. This one is almost 16 miles. The farthest path where I *KNOW* I'm using knife edge diffraction is 6.8 miles and has absolutely no issues EXCEPT during those ducting events. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] That black magic
If he is adamant, I would do an analysis with something like radio mobile and keep adding height to his end to get the best result of the analysis. Then, depending on how high he needs to go, suggest buying a tower that is at that height. A single SU would not need more than rg25 with guides since you have already suggested over 20'. IF he had to pay full price for Sat, he would be near the $500 range just for install and Equip. We all know it is junk! Last I checked here rg25 was around $100/sec. At that he could go at least 40 - 50 ft and maybe work? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:39:46 -0600 Short squat corn crib. It has an internal ladder with no outside access, and another ladder on the outside going part way up. I have NOT verified the light is visible at 31 feet. Maybe I should have him climb it on a clear night to verify he can indeed see the light? I know I would be using knife edge diffraction with OFDM modulation. This is a horizontally polarized sector operating on a fractional channel. His part of the county, which is northeast of me lies on a Paleozoic plateau; it is flat for miles. Any neighboring properties would have the same issues. My operations are centered in south county where we have what are referred to as the Bohemian Alps. My property is one of the highest points in the county, and the tower is 180' above that. Right now, my most distant customer is 11 miles and has no issues. This one is almost 16 miles. The farthest path where I *KNOW* I'm using knife edge diffraction is 6.8 miles and has absolutely no issues EXCEPT during those ducting events. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss Could be good? Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband usage up 25% since 2007, U.S. Census says
http://connectedplanetonline.com/residential_services/news/broadband-usage-up-0216/ Claims that Sixty-four percent of U.S. households now have broadband access... Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
I think you said it best here: Some of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on our wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places? Most of these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a better way. Afterall, the customer is wanting their content. I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the government wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network. It will work, although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can control my network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not trading the big corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less profit. Hell, I was squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a pocket full of shells. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file sharing out to the internet. If all providers did this, then your support for bittorrent is fruitless. It would not work. It depends on people uploading(out to the internet) the bits to function. You are supporting the concept but not supporting the application on your network. Our TOS addresses servers also, but I still allow the torrents to work, but at much slower than normal traffic. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:23:48 -0600 Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service. Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts, monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand depending on service level purchased. We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but they have not created any issues on our network. No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Eje, I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network you will be cut off and fined. -RickG On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean it's used or frequently used. Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to that conclusion. So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then regular web traffic. Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents 8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's rolein regulationof net-neutrality
When I look at these things I think about they way my grandparents did things. That was when there was still some moral and ethical standards in place. The people losing their homes put themselves in that position. So what if they home is devalued %50 now. You signed and made the deal, live with it. That is what our grandparents did. It's no different than gambling. Don't pay your gambling debts and see what happens when you get it beat out of you by Bruno. Do not go around asking handouts from me and the taxes I pay in. You say you lost your job? Find another one. Then you say, but it doesn't pay half of what my former job did. Then get two! Our grandparents worked 16 or more hours a day if that is what it took to pay the bills. Many people will not LOWER their job standards and standards of living when they can find an easy way out. They are many jobs out there being done by illegal immigrants that are low paying for the simple reason that many Americans will not do them because of the pay. If that is what it takes to pay the bills, they should be doing them. Our grandparents would help out people in their community that were losing a home if a family had an unfortunate accident that prevented one or the other from working, or took the life of one of the providers. If you told them you were losing your home because you lost your job and will not take one paying a $1(a lot back then) less, then they would laugh at you. My dad quit school to help in the saw mill in 8th grade after my grandfather cut some fingers off. It was what had to be done to keep paying the bills. He has done well for himself without the high school education. I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this country 50 to 60 years ago. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created the market for the paper. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulationof net-neutrality Brad, People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the middle class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will say that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload their losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical choices. What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go to foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their home, before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden savings instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a loan taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for doing nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some people do holding on to their home as an investment to resale. And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the opposite Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations to make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't exist. Some People loose homes because a home is a 30 year commitment, and its hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People loose houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most personal debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way to get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live within their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their sights to high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a sense of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel they
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Greenspan? I like Patton. Just don't use Nixon, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:15:25 -0600 I'm going to get my Junior chemistry set out and design a President. 5% of Lincoln, 25% Teddy Roosevelt, 25% Ronald Reagan, 20% Bush Jr., 25% ?? Suggestions? Patton maybe? Churchill? A blend? Marco On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I liked him. Voted for him. Now, had enough of him. Where's LBJ when we need him?!!! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of open-architecture networking. This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet. These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it. They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to communicate with others. The servers woulduse a series of giant receivers to recognize the identifier and connect networks to networks, passing on information from computer to computer in a seamless real-time exchange of information. This new process of communication became know as the information super highway, aka, the Internet. Now for the bad news: In an effort to show the world how inclusive, sharing, cooperative, and international America can be, the Obama administration set off on a plan to surrender control and key management of the Internet by the U.S. Department of Commerce and its agents. The key to the control America has over the Internet is through the management of the Domain Name System (DNS) and the giant servers that service the Internet. Domain names are managed through an entity named IANA, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. The IANA, which operates on behalf of the U.S. Department of Commerce, is responsible for the global coordination of the DNS, IP addressing, and other Internet protocol resources. In short, without an IP Address or other essential Internet protocols, a person or entity would not have access to the Internet. For years, the international community has been pressuring the United States to surrender its control and management of the Internet. They want an international body such as the United Nations or even the International Telecommunications Union, (an entity that coordinates international telephone communications), to manage all aspects of the Internet in behalf of all nations. The argument advanced for those seeking international control of the Internet is that the Internet has become such a powerful, pervasive, and a dependent form of international communications, that it would be dangerous and inequitable for any one nation to control and manage it. Just this past spring, within months of Obama's taking office, his administration, through the Department