Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
You are correct. It is tough. I am very rural and most of my large clients still like to have their hands held. That's how we make it. To be honest, 90% of our sales comes from the service department. When that Dell finally takes a crap and they can't get their data, and after they spend 2 hours on tech support with some guy in south china they bring it into me. We sell them a new one with their data moved over and we are the hero's. As a small WISP 500 Clients, my service techs doubles as installers. So when installs are slow they do service work. When installs are heavy sometimes I still have to get in the service area and clean off the latest malware and format computers or whatever, keeps me sharp. But due to the growth of our WISP we have started selling lots more Lenovo laptops and Lenovo desktops that are prebuilt so we don't have the build time. To be honest @ 500 WISP Clients, it would be hard to keep us full staffed in the computer business. Without the Computer sales and service it would be hard to keep the staff needed to handle the WISP business. With both we are going great and VERY profitable. I see the computer service falling off in years to come. But that will be hard for me. I have lived here my whole life and I am the community computer man, have been for 20 years. I can't walk into Wal-Mart without their staff asking me how to do something. It will be hard when we finally give that part of the business up. But change is inevitable. Steve Barnes PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a distributor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. Get a good distributor like ASI . Steve On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking for issues. Western digital I would stick with anything Black edition or better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the cheapy versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested before leaving the factory. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let down. Western Digital is the best. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but china-mart finally caught up to them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
I have never had a bad Intel CPU, I used to use AMD and the Durons and Athlons would overheat and blow all the time. I have had several Dell's and a few HP's come in lately with bad RAM. All of it was some no name stuff. I only us Corsair or Kingston and have never had to RMA a single stick. Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks DOA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components rather than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 years on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the bad one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hooper Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to becoming Value-Added Resellers. Even with servers it seems best to go with a name brand, what with HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being able to hold someone else accountable. Regards, Charles Mike Hammett wrote: How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a distributor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. Get a good distributor like ASI . Steve On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking for issues. Western digital I would stick with anything Black edition or better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the cheapy versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested before leaving the factory. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let down. Western Digital is the best. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but china-mart finally caught up to them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15
Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. Get a good distributor like ASI . Steve On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking for issues. Western digital I would stick with anything Black edition or better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the cheapy versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested before leaving the factory. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let down. Western Digital is the best. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but china-mart finally caught up to them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11 can be usually found on the top left hand corner. I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then eventually fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if installed at the same time. I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced that one as well with no questions. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
Bob, I agree, there are some issues out there that we have seen firmware issues in the past. The hot swappable scsi drives had serious issues a few years back. I had all kinds of issues getting them to hold a partition but Seagate found the issue called me and helped setup a separate computer to get the 8 drives flashed with the new firmware. They have always been so helpful. What I was disagreeing with was with others opinion that all Seagate is junk. Bob I appreciate your letting us know this information. I will inform my Techs to be on the lookout for these drives. Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives I'm also a system builder and have used 100% Seagate for a long time. My point is that the 500 to 1000gb Barracuda 7200.11 drives have very good chance of failure but it may take a year or 2 to show up. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven Barnes Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. Get a good distributor like ASI . Steve On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking for issues. Western digital I would stick with anything Black edition or better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the cheapy versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested before leaving the factory. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let down. Western Digital is the best. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but china-mart finally caught up to them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11 can be usually found on the top left hand corner. I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then eventually fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if installed at the same time. I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced that one as well with no questions. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison
Then if that is how it works what if you have a wrong number of a transition error do you get notification of the issue. What about international faxing? Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison No. It is a thin client. Basically what happens is the thin client acts like a receiving fax machine. So when you send a fax the thin client receives it, converts it into a file that it sends out to an analog fax server on the other end that forwards it on to the receiving fax. So connection speed or quality has no influence on faxing. Receiving a fax operates onthe exact oposite manner. Sent from my iPhonen On April19, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Isn't faxxbochs just a SIP ATA that does t.38? Regards Michael Baird Slick! Thank you!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: Do yourself a favor though. Don't even try faxing. Our provider's fax service is hit or miss over wired service. If you have to do faxing use faxxbochs. It will work over any connection type. I use it for anybody that uses their fax for anything more than occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote: I swear. I keep being afraid of SELLING VoIP over our wireless connections. Fact is... Other VoIP companies ARE selling their service to MY wireless customers. And it's working just fine. Fact is... When someone calls up and says I can't get my VoIP service running right, we troubleshoot it and make it quality enough for them to run VoIP. So why not do it? Lots of things to consider, but quality of our connections should not be one of them. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Scott Carullosc...@brevardwireless.com To:can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison In all fairness I've got VoIP running all over the place on Ubiquity gear and its working fine... I imagine every scenario would be different, it usually is. Same tool doesn't work for every job. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: can...@believewireless.netp...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- ---
Re: [WISPA] 8 port pci ?
6 is the most that you could physically get in a Normal Expansion slot on a x86 case. Standard slot 10cm, rj45 jack 1.5cm. 10/1.5 6.66 Steve -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 8 port pci ? Does anyone know of an 8 port PCI Express Ethernet card? While we can do some vlanning - there is an express reason asking for this monster. Thanks __ ___ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Friday Funnies
Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh. Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight? Steve WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies
Forbes you realize that this is only funny to about .005% of the population. I've been laughing constantly since I read it. Thanks. Steve Barnes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 3:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies The 80 year old dial up customer calls, he's running Windows 3.1 and regularly complains about speed, he's the kind of guy who would bring in his record player and ask why the CD won't play. He says he got a notice that his PPP/Winsock wouldn't work, he yells I can't get my PPP up! On 4/16/2010 11:02 AM, Steven Barnes wrote: Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh. Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight? Steve -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
