Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell ICOM IDAS radios/repeaters?

[Evan Allen]

I can help with this off list if you want.

e...@radiophonewireless.com

On Jul 26, 2016 6:26 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

> We are evaluating a couple different options for 2-way radios and would
> like to get some info/pricing. Ive heard it discussed on this list before.
> If any wispa members sell this please contact me off list.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Canopy PTP400 software?

[Allen Yu]

Hi All

The website address to download software (and user manuals/release notes) is

http://www.motorola.com/ptp/software

To access the software downloads you are required to enter a MAC address of
a unit that is under 12 months old (or purchase a Software Maintenance
Contract)

The MAC address is sometimes referred to as the ESN.

You can find the MAC address of PTP products by either

1) Looking at the label on the rear of the ODU
2) Look at the System Status screen of the management interface

Regards

Allen



On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not sure what Moto's deal with this is but I can't seem to find my most
 recently purchased PTP ESN #'s and thus download the latest version. If
 anyone could save me the hassle(and what I swear is a 24hr delayed
 response on there website!!) and email it offlist that would be greatly
 appreciated...

 Thanks
 -Jon




 
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions

[Allen Yu]

on a single 15 MHz channel.

Regards

Allen

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Zachery Wolfinger 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've checked out Moto's product brochure and spec sheet on the PTP500
 and it's not exactly clear.  Are you saying they can do 105Mbps in a
 single 15MHz channel or across multiple 15MHz channels?

 Thank you,
 Zak Wolfinger
 IT Director - Cyberlink
 888-293-3693 Ext 4357







 On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Ohh, well then take a look at the new motorola PTP500,
 
  It can go up to 105 Mbps in a 15 mhz channel, pps processing is over
  10k
  pps
  Multiple units can be synced with gps for spectrum reuse, it would
  auto
  select the cleanest channel to operate in and many other goodies
 
  This are the best backhaul radios out there IMHO
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
  Behalf Of Zachery Wolfinger
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:05 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
 
  Actually, for the non-900MHz units, we are talking PTP, not PTMP.
  Using these for backhaul mostly.
 
  Thank you,
  Zak Wolfinger
  IT Director - Cyberlink
  888-293-3693 Ext 4357
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Apr 24, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 
  If you discover a radio that will do what you are looking for here
  (ptmp
  assumed) please let me know.
  - Original Message -
  From: Zachery Wolfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:00 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Radio Vendor Suggestions
 
 
  Our company has used a single radio vendor exclusively for the
  last 6
  years. My VP has instructed me to start trials with other vendors.
  Who do you all suggest for:
 
  Unlicensed
  60+ Mbps
  up to 25 mile links
  5.4 / 5.8GHz (same vendor should also offer 5.3 GHz for shorter
  links)
  same vendor should also offer  a 900MHz solution for neighborhood
  coverage (2-3 mile radius)
 
  Thank you,
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100

[Allen Yu]

Motorola PTP product provides the true layer 2 Ethernet connection, the
throughput is not limited by packet per seconds.

For example, the PTP600 can support more than 400K packget per second on 64
byte pack...

Regards

Allen

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Gustavo Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 we got the alvarion by the 4pps advertise :/

 2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Why you didn't try a PTP400 or PTP600 ?
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Gustavo Santos
 
  Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet
  B100
 
  we bought that B100 to replace a working canopy BH 20 ( 15mbps)
 
  2008/4/12, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   Too bad ...
  
   Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM
 Radios
  
   Gino A. Villarini
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
   tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
  
  
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 On
   Behalf Of Gustavo Santos
   Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM
   To: wireless@wispa.org
   Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet
  B100
  
   Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting
   with the Alvarion VL gear?
  
   I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor  a ~5
   miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now
   need more troughtput and pps ).
  
  
   I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector  and a 4 Su 6mbit version,
   the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic
   problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream
   traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power,
   all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go.
  
   Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL
   gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about
   2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a
   shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works
   perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy.
  
   anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a
   crownded 5ghz area?
   in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a
   radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion.
  
   Thanks in advice.
  
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Re: [WISPA] short ptp link info

[Allen Yu]

Do you want try Motorola PTP600 5.4 GHz radio with aggregate 300 Mbps?

Regards

Allen

On 10/9/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 I am looking for a short (1 mile) point to point link solution for a
 client. Must be 100Mbps Full-duplex or faster. Prefer NOT 5.8ghz.

 Suggestions?

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[WISPA] installation experience of E-band radio

[Allen Yu]

Hi, all,

Does anyone has installation experience for E-band radio? Any suggestion on
what should be pay attention? I heard the beam is very narrow and can not
reach more than 1 mile.

thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Cable network for Internet, VoIP and Video distribution

[Allen Yu]

The Motorola PTP 600 radio support both Ethernet and T1 interface. Not sure
which CMTS you are refer to, but the compact CMTS/Router does have Ethernet
interface, does that combination will work?

Regards

Allen


On 9/25/07, Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If they're only going to use 1 CMTS then you must get wireless links that
 shoot video, which will pretty much kill any IP wireless links in the area
 running on the same channel.

 A CMTS usually must have a management server for provisioning 
 management,
 so you could buy several cheaper CMTSs (I purchased a used Nortel/Arris
 CMTS1000 years ago and it's never had a hiccup) and place them at each
 site,
 linking them to the management server via wireless links.

 I've also investingated DOCSIS wireless radios (they'll just do the data
 part).

 The problem with all this is if you don't have some kind of circuits
 (wired
 or wireless) between the sites, then you'll have to have feeds for all the
 channels you're going to provide at each location.  Depending on mileage,
 you may be able to use dry copper circuits.  I know that some of this can
 be
 done over T-1 circuits, but the project I'm involved in didn't go that
 route, so I never spent too much time on it.

 Hope this helps.

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredOnline
 350 Holly Street
 Junction City, OR 97448
 http://www.uwol.net
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax

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 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:17 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Cable network for Internet, VoIP and Video distribution


  One of my customers is designing a Cable operator network for several
  estate areas. They plan to use a Motorola CMTS device to serve those
  areas.
 
  The areas are not connected by fiber and the problem they are facing
  is the way to extend the CMTS service to those areas. They have think
  in PTP radio links but the CMTS devices are not IP, so they should use
  1 CMTS for each area and that is very expensive.
 
  Is there any way to extend the CMTS coverage to this areas by using
  PTP IP radio links?
 
  Many Thanks,
 
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Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?

[Allen Marsalis]

At 10:24 PM 9/14/2007, George Rogato wrote:

Optimized Link State Routing protocol (OLSR) is a routing protocol 
that is optimised for mobile ad-hoc networks, sometimes called 
wireless mesh networks. It is a proactive link-state routing 
protocol that floods a full topology table to all nodes in the 
network which then compute optimal forwarding paths locally


First I've never used OLSR so I know little about it.

However the key words here is mobile and ad-hoc.  In the 900 
mesh application I'm dreaming of, similar to muni-wifi, the nodes 
aren't mobile, nor are they ad-hoc.  The nodes are fixed to poles 
and buildings, and the nodes are infrastructure just like we always 
used. Also I don't plan on using any single radio systems requiring 
locustworld, etc.


Lets say a node can see two upstream nodes and two downstream 
nodes.  And then lets say one of the upstream nodes fails.  Not much 
thought needs to be given as to which is the most Optimal route to 
take.  i.e. The only other one.   Now for a zillion laptops floating 
around all over the place forming an adhoc network,  with nodes 
coming and going in a dynamic fashion, yeah I'm sure a specialized 
wireless mesh protocol is necessary such as locustworld, et al.. I 
believe somewhere around 30 or more mesh wireless (mobile) mesh 
protocols have been developed over the years each with it's own pros 
and cons.  I'm not thinking about anything mobile unless it is the 
users laptop roaming around his house and yard.  In that case, I 
don't think I need a mesh protocol at all, or anything other than 
common interior routing gateway protocols.  Am I right?  I wonder 
what Strix uses in their multi-radio systems?  eg


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RE: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?

[Allen Marsalis]

At 09:39 AM 9/15/2007, chris cooper wrote:

Id be interested to see how they worked with high gain directional
antennas.  With the proper antennas you could pick up some penetration,
help pick through noise and change polarities.  Anybody used the Meraki
boxes this way?


Please follow my train of thought for a second.  When using 
directional antennas, then a bit of aiming is required right?.  But 
the benefits are as you say.  Now such antennas need to be mounted 
right?  So this is a fixed wireless mesh we are talking here, not a 
mobile mesh with antennas in motion. What makes this possible is 
multiple radio systems (3, 4, even 5 radios).  So given all this, 
how would Meraki provide anything that say Mikrotik couldn't 
do?  Choose paths?  There isn't much to choose when using directional 
antennas on each end (PtP)  You know what's there already, one radio, 
the other end of the link.  So it is just a matter of switching 
interfaces to a second interface when the best interface goes down 
(if ever).  OSPF is pretty good at that.  Not arguing, just curious 
about all that.  Also I'm brainstorming possible configurations with 
an omni on one end and a directional on the other.  I need a couple 
of good cheap directional 900MHz antennas for some testing.  I have 
two omni's already and wasn't too impressed going omni to 
omni.  Signal started to drop off after about a quarter mile  or so, 
and that isn't going to cut it.


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Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?

[Allen Marsalis]

At 04:01 PM 9/14/2007, Japhy Bartlett wrote:


How come nobody seems to be using it?



The first Locustworld/meshbox/ultramesh deployment in the US was 
around 2000 a few dozen miles north of me in Vivian LA, (Fastline?) I 
met with the owner last year.  Basically he was an WISP worth about 
$20-30k with debt of about $100k+  I really hated to see that..


The thing about mesh is this.  If all nodes are stationary  that is 
one thing.  (Muni-wifi nodes on lightpoles for example)  If all nodes 
are roaming/moving that is entirely another matter.  I am beginning 
to believe that no mesh (TCP/IP stack) is required if all notes are 
stationary like NOC's and NAP's and Telco Hotels on the Internet are 
stationary yet meshed using BGP (without locustworld or meraki)... 
Roaming in an entirely different matter.  But meshes come often hand 
in hand with roaming which is too much to swallow all at once if you 
ask me.  If it was easy to provide a multi-MBPS service with roaming 
cellphone technology, (roaming) they would have done it by now. EVDO 
sucks in my town.  Faster than 1xRTT but still very intermittent with 
dropped connections.


Imagine a fire truck racing across town roaming from WIFI AP to AP 
without braking his TCP/IP socket.  That is true mesh.  Many mesh 
protocols and/or solutions don't address this issue of roaming across 
subnets which can be a TCP/IP nightmare on very large networks such 
as muni wifi networks.


Building a network that cannot scale in size is like building a time 
bomb, or at the very least, painting yourself into a corner.  My 
point?  I'm just asking why you think you need something else besides 
BGP or OSPF.  If your nodes move, then I gotcha, Use Meraki or 
whatever mesh protocol works..  Otherwise, what exactly is your 
problem with OSPF?  I'm just trying to learn more about meshing, and 
my comments are JMHO...


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Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?

[Allen Marsalis]

Exactly my point George.  I don'/t...

Allen


At 09:16 PM 9/14/2007, George Rogato wrote:



Allen Marsalis wrote:
I'm just asking why you think you need something else besides BGP or

OSPF.


OSLR
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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Anyway, after BreezeCOM Bruce went on looking for the Next Big Thing,
first trying to lead the old Wave Wireless out of Sarasota, FL. That did
not go so well and he went on to start-up a new chip company. That went
south and the next I heard was that he had joined MobilePRO. I think he
did that for only about a year, then left that too. I have no idea what
he is up to now.



Yeah me neither.  But it is interesting to note that MobilePro's CEO 
(Jay Wright) was also at Wave Wireless (Speedcom) with Bruce back 
during that time functioning as their CFO.  The good ole boys 
network was alive and well.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 11:03 AM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:


Thanks for taking the time to touch on some of your experiences with
MobilePro.  As you know my interest is because Jack Beech is my brother,
Jack Belton, brother-in-law.


Am I reading this right?  Jack Beech is your brother?  Your last name 
is Belton so do you mean that Jack Belton is your brother and Jack 
Beech is your brother-in-law?   Sorry for my confusion.  And thanks 
for the clarification.  I've got to run, but I'll pick back up later.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 01:04 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Sorry for the confusion.  No Jack Beech is my brother's (Jack Belton)
brother-in-law.



Ah, yeah now I remember you telling me that years ago.  I do 
appreciate you refreshing my memory.  Jack Beech was somehow friends 
of the CEO (Jay Wright) and after he no longer ran the ISP's, he 
moved over to the Progames website division. But I'm not sure there 
was anything Jack could have done to save the day considering the 
Cornell financing deals, and ridiculous salaries, bonuses, and so forth.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 10:21 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:


Your tale is certainly a cautionary one. My advice to WISPs is that if
you are trying to exit via a sale of the company you built with your
blood, sweat, tears and personal dollars ONLY sell for cash.



Here is an additional cautionary thought FWIW.  I always had a great 
reputation and so did my company.  After I left, ShreveNet quickly 
went from being the best to the worse ISP in town. The employees 
scattered to the wind, but I'm still here. I thought it would be easy 
to start a new business however people do not forget and forgive so 
easily.  I even had one ex-customer jokingly call me a traitor years 
later!   You guys were the best!  Why did you sell out!?


I think my future customers will always wonder if I am going to sell 
them out again, which is always a possibility.  But I'm no 
quitter!  I outlasted a lot of Internet companies and upstream 
providers like uu.net Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc.  Anyway the 
moral of this lesson is do not sell out and expect to keep your 
career unscathed.  I would not sell my entire company again unless it 
was enough to retire on.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 10:28 AM 9/13/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

...And by the way Allen, whatever the route you took to get back, I am
just glad you are. As I said before, you were missed. You were, are, and
always will be one of the good guys.

One day many of us should hit the porch with some scotch, a good laptop
and good wireless connection :) and write a book.


Patrick your thoughtful post means a lot to me.  Count me in!   (I 
have piles of notes)  I always wanted to write a book with someone 
like Steve or yourself, you knowto raise the overall caliper of 
the book.  ;-)  LOL.


You know something..  While I was laying on my back in the dentists 
chair yesterday staring at the ceiling while getting a root canal, 
there were a few posters stapled to the ceiling to give patients 
something to look at.


One of the posters struck me pretty hard.  It showed a litter of cute 
puppies..  Above the picture it reads:

Eat Well, Live Well, Play Well, Be Well, Sleep Well, Love Well

No where in there did it say Get Rich or Die Trying:

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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 03:30 PM 9/13/2007, Joel White wrote:

Jack was also a consultant for Kite and was tasked with solving the CPE
problem of the no CPE needed Muni-Wifi deployments.


LMAO, now Joel, out of respect for Brad I will not comment further on 
Beech on these boards.  Brad drove out of his way to loan me a AP one 
time, and not everyone does that.  Besides, I think the CEO and CFO 
had more to do with this plan, whatever it was.


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RE: [WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

At 03:38 PM 9/13/2007, Brad Belton wrote:

Yes, I remember Jack always speaking very highly of Jay Wright.  I never met
Jay, but I hear he can sell ice to an Eskimo...a real slick Willy if you
know what I mean.

Did you have much contact with Jack or Jay?



I negotiated the sale of my company directly with Jay.  So yes.  Jack 
was my boss.  So yes again.  However I never met Jay before the sale, 
and I only met Jay one time for an hour or two after the sale.  LOL, 
maybe I'm the slick willy.  Yep he wired a million dollars to my 
attorney to buy me without ever meeting me face-to-face or laying 
eyes on my company.  Jack did come by once or twice before hand 
though to check me out.  The whole experience was very strange due to 
the lack of due diligence before the sale and other oddities...


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Re: [WISPA] IP Assignments

[Allen Marsalis]

At 02:24 PM 9/12/2007, Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm not sure when it was changed, but you need one less bit of 
address space to get your own, direct allocation.


http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222

You now only need two /24s to request your own /22 from Arin.



Yeah but will everyone route a /22??  I am no routing guru but in the 
old days, you had to have a /19 for sprint to route it for 
instance.  I bought a /20 a couple of years later and had no problems 
out of Sprint or anyone.  Perhaps today's routers have so much 
memory, the BGP views fit with no problem.  I remember back when 64M 
would do the job. Then 256M, etc.  But its news to be if a /22 is 
fully accepted in all router tables.  Wow only here for a couple of 
days and learning stuff already.  :)


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[WISPA] The MOBL Sage (Warning: Long Post)

[Allen Marsalis]

Hello Allen,

Good to see you back and doing well.  Curious to hear your take on the
MobilePro saga.  On or off list is good with me.




The  Friends

Quite a few people have asked me (A) what have I 
been doing lately? And (B) please tell me the 
MobilePro saga.  It means a lot to me that some 
of you have asked about me.  It has hit me that 
although only have a handful of friends here in 
town, I did have 100+ friends in this 
industry!  Thank you all for your kind thoughts 
and I do apologize for dropping off the planet 
like I did.  That was my loss more than anyone 
else's.  You are some of the finest people I have 
ever met in my life, besides my old ShreveNet 
staff.  You know how I felt about my crew.  Heck, 
you all helped me train them!  ;)



The Saga

I will start with the MobilePro Saga and get it 
out of the way and move on to more positive 
things like the goodthings I have been up to in 
the past year or two.  I tell you “The Saga” not 
as an excuse for my hiatus from the wireless 
industry, and excuse for my strange behavior, but 
well…….(get it? “Well”, that’s a deep subject, 
LOL) well………..because some of you asked me too 
(cough cough Brad Belton cough cough).


Here goes..

It is somewhat of an interesting story I guess, 
for inside industry people like us, or else this 
might be extremely Off Topic for this list.  As a 
WISP, this is not as easy story for me to 
tell.  Not a happy story for me.  I would like to 
tell the story and forget as much as possible and 
move on.  Perhaps there is something that you can 
learn from this (yeah like Allen is not so smart 
after all? – (Maybe and maybe not, you decide)



The Disclaimer

It has been over 3 years since the sale of my 
(W)ISP to MobilePro.  I am no longer under any 
agreement or obligation.  I am now entitled to 
express my opinion right or wrong.  This is my opinion and only my opinion.



The Beginning

Roll the clock back to 2004.  Life is pretty 
good.  Speaking at WISPCON.  Drinking Romulan Ale 
with some of the finest people on the 
planet.  (now argue that point)   Why on earth 
would I want to sell my company?  The WISP of my 
dreams?  Whatsup wit dat?   There were a whole 
host of reasons for selling out and many of which 
were personal some were reasonable, and some 
might have been downright psychotic.  Here are 
some of the reasons I had for selling, just in 
case any of you ever consider selling 
yourself.  That might be one of the most 
difficult decisions you ever make.  Choose wisely!


(A) I was not a “pureplay”.  We offered wireless, 
DSL, dialup, T1, hosting, web design, hotspots, 
you name it, I tried it all.  My problems began 
as I began to take a beating on dialup amid new 
competition with cablemodem and several DSL 
carriers.  I was bleeding revenues about 1% of 
month despite growth in broadband areas (DSL, 
wireless and T1) But I was all over the Northern 
state.  Not much DSL and T1 out there in the 
boonies.  And wireless was relatively a new trick 
for everyone back in those days.


I was debt free until 1999 when I acquired the 
second largest ISP in the area (I was the 
largest).  With this new debt, I borrowed even 
more to host all these new customers.  (The old 
ISP was using crap)  I got a good interest rate 
with the bank and with my father, both who backed 
me.  LOL, then we REALLY started growing fast! 
(mainly dialup)  So much of this debt was the 
result of left over baggage from the dial days 
plus the acquisition days and subsequent growth days.


I began looking into my crystal ball and began to 
worry seeing an ever changing future in 
broadband. (especially wireless) Would I ever get 
this debt paid off in time before I must prepare 
for the next round of change?  Then bang, my 
father came down with melanoma cancer in his 
lungs. This was right after Matt Larsen’s Dad 
died.   My Dad already had prostate cancer and 
basil cell carcinoma. (3 types total) at this 
time (04)  My doctor told me he probably wouldn’t 
see his next birthday.  He was 84 at the time.  I 
wanted to pay off my Dad before he passed 
away.  That was a major factor.  It was important 
to me that he be proud of his remaining only son.



The First Lesson

All Doctors aren’t always right.  My father found 
some new doctors with new ideas and had 3 very 
targeted lung surgeries (1 per year) and is doing 
remarkably well now for an 87 year old man.  I am 
very proud of him.  He is one “tough old bird” 
and just like the energizer bunny, he keeps going 
and going and going.  He still drives to his 
office every day for a few hours every day.  I’m 
on the 5th floor and he is on the 11th floor, 
still at 333 Texas all these many years. (He longer than I)


Also a part of this lesson is to use various 
domain names for unique services.  That way you 
can sell part and not all of a property. (as needed)



More Reasons

Around that time I suddenly had a “bad back”.  I 
didn’t know what was wrong with my back

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 06:35 PM 9/12/2007, Gino Villarini wrote:

Using dif radios for wifi and backhaul isn't mesh any more? How so?

I was under the impression that mesh was the ability of the equipment
to form a interconnection between the nodes with alternative paths to
the Internet feed 



I hate to be a pain.Marlon got me started in this industry.  He 
is a true wireless pioneer, not I.   But we have our differences...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_network

I'm sure our definitions and connotations of wireless mesh differ, 
and rightfully so.


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 10:44 AM 9/12/2007, D. Ryan Spott wrote:

and like a typical dot-com
they spent and expanded far faster than they should have 'cause hey, there's
a second round coming and when they went looking for that second round,
the large investor played their strategy and said no second round for you!


Ryan for some reason this post resonates within me like a church 
bell.  like a typical dot-com Happy Customers don't mean 
much.  Never have.  It's Happy Shareholders (investors) is where the 
money is.  Sorry if I'm a bit cynical or jaded


Allen



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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 06:11 PM 9/12/2007, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just 
around, mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the 
network starts to come alive.  The old hub and spoke method works best.


But the entire Internet is a Mesh of sorts.  Remember back in the 
90's how the internet was designed to withstand a nuclear attack? 
(using lots of hub and spoke and routing for redundancy)  My old 
friend, lets cut  through the image of mesh.  What mesh is in my 
opinion is the elimination of tall vertical realestate (expensive) 
and the adoption of low vertical realestate (free) such as lightpoles 
and rooftops.  Mesh means routing rather than bridging. Instead of 
shooting high for big supercells, mesh is a series of microcells or 
picocells down low (cheap).  Instead of dumping money into towers and 
tower climbers (sorry Bob my friend) mesh is made of equipment in a 
non-special environment.


Now you might think that mesh means use of omni antennas... Not 
so.  maybe, maybe not.  To me mesh means communication between 
multiple nodes (places) that are connected to each other in a web 
(like the Internet)  Strix is on th right track.  But like so many 
manufacturers, they are better at shipping gear than designing 
business plans for others to invest in (like MobilePro).


But I do not believe in throwing out the baby with the 
bathwater.  Strix had something (before they laid off half their 
staff this month).  They chose folks like MOBL to cater to rather 
than you or me.  I believe there is a market for 900 rural mesh 
sub-muni networks.  Am I wrong?


Allen




Allen



Some of the new mesh gear uses different channels for broadcast 
vs. backhaul.  But that's not really mesh anymore, it's hub and 
spoke stuffed into a single box.


I'm told that if you insist on running mesh, at least make sure that 
it never goes more than 2 or 3 layers deep.


Personally, in your area, I'd run 900 to mini pops.  In the 
population centers I'd run small micro cells of wifi.  Good speeds, 
cheap installs, lots of flexibility etc.


It's good to see ya back.  This biz is like a good drug isn't 
it.  Once you are hooked, you can never get very far away.


grin

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- Original Message - From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
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Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks


I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know 
me.  It's good to see many familiar faces still here.  In recent 
years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my 
experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times back then.  I'm 
thinking about creeping back into the WISP business.


After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the 
press called muni wireless promoted by manufacturers such as 
Strix and Tropos. This concept has taken some major blows in the 
press this month:


http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.htmlhttp://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/
http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593-417a-8639-c4c53e2a2a10view=newshttp://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10view=news
http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/as-earthlink-el.htmlhttp://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120

This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP 
(ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni 
WIFI network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka 
MobilePro) which sold these properties recently to Gobility.  (Big Yawn)..


http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/

I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss 
the somewhat failed muni wireless concept.  Some say it was a 
failure because of the model rather than technology, caused by 
giving away free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so 
forth.  Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or 
Earthlink or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks.


However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general, 
especially after witnessing the old Nokia collapsible bridged 
mesh networks of the 90s.  LOL, a lot has changed since then.  I 
often wonder how Dave Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned 
out.  Once upon a time, he sold product to a WISP near me in Vivian 
LA to build the first mesh network in the US. He ended up with some 
heavy debt.  Also I knew of a WISP in Leesville LA using Wave 
Wireless (Speedcom) mesh gear with pretty good technical results, 
that is, for a single radio system

RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

[Allen Marsalis]

At 08:49 PM 9/12/2007, Mac Dearman wrote:



  We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy!



Wrong!!  See www.bluebirdwireless.com...  NW is now polluted 
thanks to motos sales team infecting our 911 center and recruiting 
their employees to quit and join the private sector.  (blue bird 
wireless)  Which BTW is the nations largest prepay: provider located 
a mile from me.  And ironically is MobilePro's closest competition... 
Or was... LOL


BTW, I owe you a steak Mac.  If you ever make it to Shreveport, I 
will name the place.  You won't be sorry.  Mac you are one hellova 
guy and I will never forget camp sagnasty God Bless.


Allen




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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 12:13 AM 9/13/2007, Travis Johnson wrote:

Hi,

The biggest problem I see when looking at mesh is having access to 
all those locations... people's homes, light poles, telephone poles, 
whatever. You now have to install UPS systems, rebooters, have the 
equipment some-what secure, etc.


Bingo, I didn't say anything early on, but you hit the nail 
Travis.  The biggest problem I see is the un-even-ness of property 
ownership in my plan (rural tier 4 areas).  Fortunately as you move 
into a town, pieces of land keep getting smaller and smaller.  My 
only solution is to deviate from the use of omni antennas towards 
directional antennas to increase the distance between nodes from 1 
mile to maybe 2 to 4 miles between nodes.


But here are some very loose number regarding muni wifi.  By 
comparison to my plan, imagine 15 to 20 nodes per square mile at 
$2500 to $3500 per node.  Usinging standards based (generic) hardware 
I think I can reduce that cost to under $900 per node.  Now imagine 
if a 900MHz AP with omni works to 1 mile radius, or 2 miles 
circumference.  This is nearly 4 square miles of coverage for under 
$1k.  (less than $250 per square mile).


This is almost like averaging between the economics of fixed 
wireless and muni wifi networks.  But in my areas, that might lead 
to 4X success rates in site surveys..\


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 08:21 AM 9/11/2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

Nah, he uses it to hide the Romulan Ale when he goes to movies and ball
games.  :-)


LOL, I haven't had any Romulan Ale in a while.   I needed a laugh.

Remember this one?  I used to have a life, now I have customers

I might add, Now I have no customers, so when do I get my life back?  :)

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[WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

 to do with PtP shots. But any 
thoughts or feedback on 900MHz meshing is appreciated.  I do see a 
few problems with this concept, however I am at the stage where I 
think some feedback might be helpful.  I'm hoping some of you 
followed the muni wireless trend and gear from Strix, Tropos, Belair, 
etc.  Not all their ideas were wrong or bad.


One last question or two if I may.  Is there only one manufacturer of 
900MHz mini-pci cards? (Ubiquiti SR9) Also, do you think it is it too 
late in 2007 to start a WISP?  ;)  Last, would 700MHz system 
eventually creep in over a few years and eat my lunch?


Thank you all and as always, good luck to all WISPs!

Best Regards,

Allen Marsalis
am @ bandwise dot com

P.S.   After all these years, I still cringe when lightning strikes 
and I think of you guys all the time.  :)  It is certainly good to 
see the WISP industry moving along and so many familiar names still 
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 11:29 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas...  the 
first one if there was more than one.


That was me.  There is only one me, that's for sure.  :)Dallas 
WISPCON was my last convention.


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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, Bob Moldashel wrote:
YeahThat was him  And yes..it was the first one. Because I 
was at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the 
show  (or something...)


Bob I remember missing you in Chicago but not Dallas.  If I ever knew 
you were in Dallas, I'd be there just to meet you face to face for 
the first time.


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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OMG!

I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails

:-(



I do love you Bob and I'm truly sorry about that.   Around '04 I used 
to spend about 4 to 6 hours a day on email and my new boss put an end 
to all that.  After I quit, I bounced around between many email 
addresses and fell into an email funk.  My old shreve.net address 
seems to be working now so I dusted it off to give it a try.  Last 
month I accidently wiped out my bandwise account..  Not making 
excuses, its my fault.  I tried to call you a few weeks ago to chat 
but dropped the ball again.  I've made many mistakes lately.


But I just can't stop thinking about wireless!  ;)

Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:

You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
900 pcmcia card for customers



Thanks much for the reply Gino.  My idea is like muni wireless in 
that there really is no CPE per se.  With muni wifi, each node is on 
top of a light pole or building.  With my idea, I would place a pole 
in the yard (or rooftop) of select customers to form the NLOS 
mesh.  Each box would have at least two 900MHz cards plus one wifi 
card for the customer to access using a laptop (or desktop with cheap 
wifi adapter).  Like with muni wifi, I would own all the rooftop and 
poletop outdoor gear.


But in a sense you are correct.  In fact it would be more like two 
900 cards per customer if you are not at the edge of the mesh.  I'm 
able to get 0.1 miles of NLOS using wifi so in theory, next door 
neighbors may not need any 900 (not be a node in the mesh)


One goal is to reduce the need for towers.  A climber fell to his 
death here only a few months ago, and I can't afford expensive tower 
space and climbers anyway.  I'd rather put that capital in to more 
gear to grow the mesh organically.


I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network 
before.  Which is not a good sign to me.  That's a sign that my idea 
probably won't work.


Allen





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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote:

Allen:

Metricom did.

Thanks,

Steve


Thanks for the reply Steve.  Can you share if they were able to make 
it work or not?  Any info would be greatly appreciated.


Allen



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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 01:02 PM 9/10/2007, George Rogato wrote:
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless 
cards can be used for wireless broadband?


George

:)



Yes George I do.  In fact I used pcmcia cards back in '03 and '04 at 
ShreveNet for residential pops with good results after we got the 
bugs out.  I'm sure there was a time I felt differently about 
cards.  Sorry if I ever gave you a hard time about it.


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

Wow thanks for the info Joel.  I bought a couple of SR9's last week 
and I'm experimenting now.  I might need a 900MHz range spectrum 
analyzer for this one.  :)


Re: In fact, I worked under you I believe!!

LOL, well sort of.  There was no budget, so my job was pretty weird 
while it lasted.  Bruce S. sniped my position which I always thought 
was a good thing given the circumstances surrounding the death spiral 
toxic financing deals.  Doesn't look like he was able to save the day 
with his muni wifi program.


Did you move to Tempe?  Are you back in Ohio?  I should probably call 
Paul this week and see what's happening.  I hope he isn't too 
depressed over the deal like I am (or was)  :)


Allen



At 01:05 PM 9/10/2007, Joel White wrote:

Alan,

There is a second manufacture of 900 Mini-Pci cards which is Zcomax. The two
(ubnt and Zcomax don't talk because of different center frequencies. Zcomax is
what Tranzeo is using in there 900 products, so this may be a good way to go,
with the ability to have pre-manufactured client radios. What I have found
with any Atheros card running 5Mhz channels, is that if you scan from another,
you will see the first card transmitting on a channel about 20mhz away. This
transmit is about 20dB less than the primary, but still prevalently there. I
think you could see some issues because of this, and I wonder what frequency
that ends up being when the 900 card is a re-badge of 2.4. To explain this
better, channel 6 on 2.4 is 906 on the ubiquity cards I believe. If I then
scan and see a signature at 2457, what frequency is that on the 900
conversion? It is probably in the high 800 range by my estimate. There are
definitely some issues there.

Also, I have seen better connections with Motorola 900 than with the put
togethers. I do think your idea is something worth while, and I've thought
about something similar myself. I am also familiar with the Muni-market, and
the downfalls, and the good ideas of it. If you remember me, you know I worked
for one of them. In fact, I worked under you I believe!!

Good to see you back.

Joel White
NexGenAccess Inc.
www.nexgenaccess.com
740-513-4122

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-- Original Message ---
From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:35 -0400
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

 You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or
 900 pcmcia card for customers

 Gino A. Villarini
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:17
 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

 I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know
 me.  It's good to see many familiar faces still here.  In recent
 years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my
 experiences as a WISP.  I had a lot of good times back then.  I'm
 thinking about creeping back into the WISP business.

 After I sold in 2004, I followed a new trend in wireless in the
 press called muni wireless promoted by manufacturers such as Strix
 and Tropos.  This concept has taken some major blows in the press
 this month:

 http://wifinetnews.com/archives/007869.htmlhttp://wifinetnews.com/arch
 ives/007869.html
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20521155/
 
http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593-http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=41788id=e9381817-0593- 
417a-86 
39-c4c53e2a2a10view=newshttp://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?ne...2a10vi

 ew=news

 http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp...ng_sitedefault
 http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/08/as-earthlink-el.htmlhttp://www.all
 eyinsider.com/2007/08/...thlink-el.html

 http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6120

 This hits close to home because the company who bought my WISP

 (ShreveNet) boasted being the largest WISP with the largest muni
 WIFI network in the nation in Tempe AZ (NeoReach aka Kite aka
 MobilePro) which sold these properties recently to Gobility.  (Big
 Yawn)..

 http://www.bbwexchange.com/wireless_isp/http://www.bbwexchange.com/wir
 eless_isp/

 I'm certainly am not posting this thread to defend or even discuss
 the somewhat failed muni wireless concept.  Some say it was a
 failure because of the model rather than technology, caused by
 giving away free service to the anchor tenant (the city) and so
 forth.  Whatever... I couldn't care less about the past or Earthlink
 or Google, or MobilePro or huge muni wifi networks.

 However I am fascinated by the mesh technology in general,
 especially after witnessing the old Nokia collapsible bridged mesh
 networks of the 90s.  LOL, a lot has changed since then.  I often
 wonder how Dave Peterson and Ultramesh/locustworld turned out.  Once
 upon a time, he sold product

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

Thank you David for your thoughts on this.  I too am a bit 
skeptical.  :)  Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you 
guys.  There is the additional issue of mesh routing protocols but 
I think (and I mean think) I may have that covered if the physical 
stuff worked out ok.  It's just the whole concept might fall flat for 
a dozen reasons.  I'm trying to figure out how many nodes I would 
need to deploy in a real world test, but I also want to think this 
out before getting that far and spend a bunch of money.  The idea may 
be so bad that testing is unwarranted.


But hey, there must be at least 8 people left in the country without 
broadband, and I want to give it to them! ;)


Allen


At 01:05 PM 9/10/2007, David E. Smith wrote:

Allen Marsalis wrote:


I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before.
Which is not a good sign to me.  That's a sign that my idea 
probably won't work.


I'd be very skeptical just because of what I lovingly call the 
Tropos Effect.


Obviously, all these nodes eventually have to come back to... 
somewhere that has a big bad Internet connection. Your office, a 
central tower, whatever. If you're near that tower, you don't have 
much of a problem, as your laptop is talking to a node that's 
talking directly to that point of origin. If you're a few blocks 
away, where your laptop talks to a node that's two or three hops 
away, there's cumulative bandwidth loss and added latency, and just 
more things that can go wrong generally.


Your proposal gets rid of the worst part of how Tropos does things. 
They use the same radio both for inter-node communication and for 
customers, same SSID, same everything; by using separate radios for 
backhaul and customer access, you're already coming out ahead.


There will still be added overhead and latency, the more nodes you 
have to go through, and the folks at the farthest reaches of the 
network won't have as good an experience as the folks close to your 
point of origin.


I'm a bit skeptical. The expense of 900MHz gear, and the sheer 
number of units you'd need to for a wide coverage area, makes this 
seem like a really difficult idea to pull off. Nevertheless, I wish 
you luck, if you do choose to deploy something like that.


David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

Thanks George.  Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the 
things happening within the industry in recent years.  Google is 
petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum?  I'm short a few 
billion it seems..  Even if my idea is technically doable, then I 
must go find the right markets which is a challenge all in itself.  I 
sometimes see data centers and there aren't many dialup customers 
left and lots of empty modems.  How Netzero can still afford to run 
ads I do not know.


Allen


At 03:23 PM 9/10/2007, George Rogato wrote:
I'm glad your still around the industry Allen, every one in a while 
someone says, Where's Allen M? Makes us wonder.
Myself, I would only look at 900 as a temporary frequency to use. 
Maybe a couple years, more in the very rural areas and less urban wise.


Too many others are using 900 or starting to use it. Electric and 
water companies for meter reading, walmart and other bigbox for id 
and our portable phones still use 900 even when their 2.4 or 5.8.


So if building something out and realizing it has a short time span 
works. Then 900 is workable.



George





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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 04:00 PM 9/10/2007, John Valenti wrote:

Allen,

It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even
tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is
clear spectrum in 900MHz.  I've use Trango gear out in rural areas,
where it works OK. I've only done a few scans in the city (East
Lansing and Lansing, specifically). Both of those scans were so
depressing I never tried making any links with 900 in town. All the
channels were what the Trango manual calls unsuitable.


Point noted.  My testing thus far has been at my house which is in an 
remote community a couple miles outside of town.  Results may and 
probably will vary and I get closer to town, but I'm not wanting to 
compete with cable or DSL.  I was hoping to find some still under 
served small towns that would appreciate my services..





I have a few of the SR9 cards and am just starting to work with them.
I read somewhere that Trango (for example) rejects interference
better than the SR9. No personal experience one way or another yet.


I saw were Ubiquiti has cavity filters but I have no idea what they 
cost or how well they work.  I had one Trango 900 POP years ago and 
it worked well.  But 6 sectors ain't happening. (I had only a few 
customers off one sector)  But I'm really thinking in terms of 
multiple radio systems (SBC's) for a number of reasons.





My new rule of thumb with Trango is that I can go 2 miles.



I recall a little bit better for me.  But the spectrum may have been 
really clear.  I didn't have a 900MHz option for my cheap spectrum 
analyzer.  I sold my company not long after hanging that gear.





You might consider a modified mesh structure that uses 2.4 or 5GHz
(or even 900 after testing) to those few LOS houses, then something
like Meraki mesh to connect close neighbors.


Nodding, I have thought in terms of large outter mesh with an inner 
micro mesh structure that isn't intended to go very deep (lots of 
hops)  But out in the boonies, I'm not sure 2.4/5.8 is going to get 
me very far  when houses might be a quarter or half mile apart. (or 
more)  If I did have a tower in the area, perhaps breaks in the 
mesh could be patched with a new homerun shot if you follow me.


Thanks for the feedback

Allen



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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 05:12 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote:

Allen:

Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it
work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things
they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small
channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as all the current
902-928 MHz BWIA gear (except Alvarion's BreezeNet [?].


I clearly see your point as an old FHSS guy.  hehehe

LOL, between you and me, I would never have waxed so philosophically 
over this idea had it not been for the muni-wifi movement with its 
limited non-overlapping channels. Multiple radio systems got me 
interested in meshing a while back.  I guess I'm not the only one, 
but my market is definitely not city wifi like Strix.





The earlier version did both mesh and access using 902-928 MHz. The
newer version used 2.3 and 2.4 GHz for the mesh (backhaul) and 902-928
MHz for access only.


Gotcha, many thanks for responding to me Steve.  I think there is 
something to be learned under every new stone, and even some old 
stones long forgotten my most...  I barely remember Metricom and 
packet radio.


Hmmm I just saw a HughesNet commercial.  The one with the pretty lady 
in a green dress.  I assume GEO satellite service still stinks to 
high heaven??  I nearly forgot about those guys...  I once knew Avi 
Freedman when he was into some satellite stuff and learned enough not 
to be too scared of the sat guys who have their own unique set of 
expensive problems.


Allen



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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed.



Thanks Patrick.  I trust all is going well with you.  I hear you are 
now vice president.  Great job!  (I mean that both ways. You do a 
great job and have a great job)  :)   Our kids are all growing 
up!   Your daughter must be what about 7 now.  Am I close?  Mine is 9 
and still wears her oversized Mikrotik and Trango 
T-shirts!  :ducking:   LOL, She's still waiting for her Breezecom t-shirt.. ;)


Allen






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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

I'm proud to say no Canopy shirts in this house Gino!   I can't 
afford them.  (major ducking)  :)


Allen


At 08:35 PM 9/10/2007, Gino Villarini wrote:

I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts!

;-) ... ducking!




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RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

[Allen Marsalis]

I was only about a half year off.  Not bad for an old man.  :)   I'm 
not sure I remember your youngest though.  A belated congratulations 
to you!  I know you are proud of them both.  My son is now a freshman 
in high school and has outgrown me already.  Homecoming is this 
Saturday.  Wow how time flies. My daughter is 9 and in a few more 
years, she might be taller than me as well..


Yeah got one of those old BreezeCom shirts in XXL?  That is, if they 
aren't collectors items by now... ;)


Allen


At 08:32 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt
says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :)  And I have plenty of
old BreezeCOM shirts still.


Patrick




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Re: [WISPA] remote power control

[allen]

I have used one of these for a year now and like it.

Allen

 Hi,
 Since I've heard some not-so-good experiences with the APC
 MasterSwtich, I went looking on the web.
 Ebay led me to this product, has anyone used this power control
 device?  Any feedback on it?

 http://www.digital-loggers.com/EPC.html

 Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] TV Interference

[allen]

Channels 2 - 6 on TV are below the FM Radio broadcast band.  Perhaps an IF
of the internet radio is leaking into the TV system - Do they have a mast
mounted TV amplifier in the chain?


Allen

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