RE: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups

2006-07-27 Thread danlist








Has anybody taken this a step further and
set up some type of automated ftp or something more secure to
download new updates?





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From:
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 9:51
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Mikrotik Backups





/system backup save name=MS1; 
/tool e-mail send to=[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=([/system
identity get name] . Backup) server=10.10.10.10 file=MS1.backup 

Put these in a script and schedule the script as often as you want. I
have all my routers email me on Thursday night. 10.10.10.10 needs to be
your mail server address. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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Subject: [WISPA] Automating Mikrotik Backups 

 Does Mikrotik have a method of backing up its settings 
 like is done with the StarOS StarUtil commands? If so, 
 what are the commands? I'm wanting to make sure we 
 automate this much needed task with http://www.ISPBuddy.com 
 which will allow automated nightly backups to our remote 
 storage facility. 
 
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[WISPA] needed -karlnet-isp-base license

2006-07-05 Thread danlist
I had a tower get by lightning yesterday and I am in desperate need of a
karlnet-isp-base-license for kn105 or ap1000


I will be at the tower site all day, so you can call my office # below if I
don't respond to your email

thanks

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[WISPA] DUAL BAND antennas

2006-06-22 Thread danlist
Are there any dual band antennas for 900mhz and 5ghz?

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RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-21 Thread danlist
Mac

Thanks! Exactly what I needed! How is it going down there? 

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 -Original Message-
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters
 
 Dan,
 
   We have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and these adapters are
 really highly recommended and have worked well.
 
 http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=321
 
 Mac Dearman
 
 
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 I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1
 or 2
 POTS jacks.
 
 We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works
 well
 with asterisk that would be great
 
 Thanks
 
 
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[WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters

2006-06-20 Thread danlist
I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1 or 2
POTS jacks.

We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works well
with asterisk that would be great

Thanks


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RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K

2006-06-20 Thread danlist
 
 While they do an ok job w/ wireless, IMO, their strength is more the
 convenience coming from the integration of multiple packages and its
 flexibility rather than the performance of any single feature
 
 If you're looking at purely a wireless solution (in this do-it-yourself
 genre) -- you need to include Star-OS / Ikarus in your evaluation (but then,
 documentation gets a bit sparse there...)
 
 -Charles


Mikrotik provides an advanced wireless solution that Star-Os /Ikarus DO NOT, in
several different ways, 1st, they provide a polling solution for PTMP (nstream)
and they also provide an FDX solution for PTP using Nstream2, this is all with
the same hardware/radio's.  2nd, using the additional features of the L3, you
can load balance across 2 radio's for a faster HDX solution ( maybe this could
be done w/ star-os/ikarus, not sure)

And there is more you can do by combining those 2 solutions.

Dan


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RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K

2006-06-16 Thread danlist
We are running VoIP over a Mikrotik/NSTREAM 5Ghz OFDM solution.  Actual TCP
throughput is about 25Mbps, we have had over 12 VoIP across the PTMP and a PTP
BH to our NOC were the VoIP service is located while providing INTERNET across.

This is working with great success and Matt Liotta is providing us the internet
link via a 100Mbps fiber.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:25 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K
 
 Never tried to put that many on a tower, but then again we don't use too
 many towers. We've had 15 or so on a single roof before, but for the
 most part we never really put more than 5 radios on the same structure.
 We have over 100 roofs under contract, so we don't really need to load
 up any single roof with too many radios.
 
 -Matt
 
 Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Matt,
 
  How do you fit more than 10-12 of those type of dedicated links on a
  single tower?
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  We rarely use multi-point systems for customers and when we do they
  are either small businesses with very little voice and data needs or
  they are just data customers. All of our customers with any
  significant amount of voice are running on dedicated radios. I would
  say our average customer buys 12 lines of voice and delivering that
  over a Canopy backhaul works just fine.
 
  -Matt
 
  Patrick Leary wrote:
 
  So you agree then that being able to do VoIP is key. I'd like to
  hear more
  about your experiences with VoIP. Is your solution actually doing it
  well or
  is that your idea of doing VoIP well is 8 only concurrent calls per
  sector
  so long as the quality is decent for those few calls? We have talked
  to many
  very users of other common 5GHz brands these past few week and we
  have been
  consistently told that performance is just dandy until you bump up
  against 8
  calls. That is a less than 50 call per cell limit, which does not
  seem like
  enough to justify the investments needed on the NOC end for the
  softswitch.
  How do you define good VoIP performance Matt?
 
  Patrick Leary
  AVP Marketing
  Alvarion, Inc.
  o: 650.314.2628
  c: 760.580.0080
  Vonage: 650.641.1243
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16,
  2006 6:47 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K
 
  Patrick Leary wrote:
 
 
 
  Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2
 
 
 
  transort
 
 
  for carriers.
 
 
 
 
  We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from
  us now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers
  and therefore fixed wireless was a naturally next step. Further,
  almost all indicated they would have done it sooner, but the fixed
  wireless companies they approached weren't willing to offer them
  layer 2 transport.
 
 
 
  How about VoIP? How many of you consider VoIP to be an
  important part of your service future as a WISP? If so, how do you
  plan to
  support since it cannot be done decently with the other popular 5GHz
  solutions. That's not my opinion so much as the opinion of many larger
  Trango and Motorola WISPs I have been talking to lately.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  We are doing a significant amount of VoIP now. We have VoIP
  customers running on top of both Trango and Canopy radios. Canopy is
  a significantly better solution for VoIP since we can properly
  prioritize voice with Canopy, while we cannot with Trango. We also
  wholesale VoIP to other operators and help them --if they require
  it-- with getting their network ready to support VoIP.
 
 
 
  If a key goal of WISPs is growing ARPU, what are WISPs plans for
  doing that
  with whatever your current technology permits?
 
 
 
 
 
 
  I believe VoIP is the number one way to grow ARPU and the fact that
  we bundle VoIP is why I believe we have one of the highest ARPUs in
  the industry.
 
  -Matt
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox

2006-06-08 Thread danlist
What is the beam width of the rootenna to use it as an AP?? you must have a
bunch of them to get 360* coverage

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 -Original Message-
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 Of George Rogato
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:32 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24 dbi Atlas Fox
 
 I'm using them as ap's. I have a link that is about 8 miles @ 5.3
 
 George
 
 
 N White wrote:
  What kind of distance are you seeing with those 5G Rootennas? And what
  kind of APs  Antennas are you using? Just curious - we're looking at
  moving all new customers to 5Ghz.
 
  -Nick
 
  George Rogato wrote:
 
  Those MTI's are nice looking product. Nice price too. Have you checked
  out the pac wireless 5 gig rootennas yet?
 
  They are working great for me and they are cheap.
 
  George
 
  Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
  I was thinking
  Although legal issues involved...  (so not indorsing or recommending
  this idea)
 
  An Atlas Fox, mounted inside a MTI 24 dbi Dual Pol antenna w/ stock
  radio case back, and a custom mod to bypass internal antenna and
  jumper to the ext antenna connectors, would be less expensive than
  both a base Fox5800 unit and the 5830SU, and give us 16 more
  additional DB, which would make it a fantastic combination for a high
  end business or residential CPE able to survive the noise, upgradable
  to OFDM, and easy to mount.  But most importantly, it would only be
  one radio CPE type to stock to cover all needs, allowing it to be
  easier to make quantity orders.
 
  In qty 25+, MTI w/ case $245 (maybe a little more with import charges)
  Atlas Fox $149.
  Pigtail Jumpers: $15  Total: $409.
 
  It would take more time to hack(build), but it would save time by not
  having to muck with the dish.  So why is Trango not doing this yet?
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] looking for a device

2006-06-08 Thread danlist
I don't think there is much out there unfortunately


But YOU CAN BUY FROM MIKROTIK direct, prebuilt units

www.mikrotik.com

click on prices/products


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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:54 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device
 
 I understand you are suggesting I wouldn't have to psychically build the
 devices, but that isn't what I am worried about. I want an off-the-shelf
 product that is supported by a vendor. That includes it being pre-built,
 software installed, and support available.
 
 -Matt
 
 Sam Tetherow wrote:
 
  If you order it all from wisp-router they will assemble it for your so
  you would get a die-cast case with the RB mounted the radios and
  pigtails installed.  All you would need to do is set up the software
  end of things, which could be done with a script once you have the
  initial setup done.  One thing to note, I have not ordered 5Ghz
  pigtails from wisp-router in quite sometime, but the last time I did
  order them, their quality was questionable.
 
  I would bet if you went the WRAP/StarOS route wisp-router would do the
  same.  No idea on other vendors or the WAR boards as I have never
  ordered them.
 
 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  I am looking for a device I can buy that does all of this out of the
  box. I don't want to build my own since I need 30-40 of them in the
  next 30 days.
 
  -Matt
 
  Sam Tetherow wrote:
 
  Mikrotik on a routerboard 532 should do the trick although I haven't
  messed with the VLAN stuff.
  I am not a StarOS user, but I would bet that a StarOS setup on
  either a WRAP or WAR board would work
  as well.
 
 Sam Tetherow
 Sandhills Wireless
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  I am looking for a device with the following requirements:
 
  * Can backhaul at 11Mbps operating in the 5.2Ghz band
  * Can support VLANs
  * Can assign a VLAN to one Ethernet port
  * Powered by PoE (the standard is not required)
  * Can act as a 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi access point assigned to a different
  VLAN than the Ethernet port
  * Everything in a single outdoor enclosure
 
  Any ideas?
 
  -Matt
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[WISPA] merchant accounts/credit cards

2006-05-31 Thread danlist
Can anybody suggest any good vendors for a merchant account and card processing
terminal?

Thanks


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RE: [WISPA] FM Remote Broadcast over Wireless (RBOW ?)

2006-05-30 Thread danlist
You could just convert to an IP stream and then convert back

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 -Original Message-
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 Of Jack Unger
 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:30 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] FM Remote Broadcast over Wireless (RBOW ?)
 
 I've been asked if an FM broadcast station can broadcast from a remote
 (non-studio) location by putting the audio over an existing license-free
 wireless network to connect back to the main studio. On the surface of
 it, I don't see why this wouldn't work as long as:
 
 1. The wireless network is reliable, and
 2. The remote FM audio stream can be converted to a half-duplex stream
 of Ethernet packets.
 
 Does anyone know of someone who has done this successfully and, if so,
 what equipment was used on both the audio and RF networks?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 jack
 
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RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED

2006-05-25 Thread danlist
Title: Message








I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual
pols panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link
are over water I have 2 radios on each end









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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:03
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED







Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive testing
with Ubiquiti's cards, and from that conversation, I would use about 19 -
20 dbm as the number to go by.











Apparently, there's some variability as production has gone
on, not all are the same, it seems.











But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers will
be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. 











Mark























North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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Sent: Thursday, May 25,
2006 10:42 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA] SR5s
and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED











Mike - what is the actual output of the
SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running
my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ?











JohnnyO





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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED



It may be difficult to provide a mission critical link with
2-footers; but then again Iam using CM-9's on a 17-mile link. I
know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my PacWireless 2ft
dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB on both
ends. Signal level is around -62dB.











Mike







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Sent: Thursday, May 25,
2006 9:24 AM





Subject: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED









I've
run the path calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s
in Mikrotik and 2ft dishes at 36miles.

My
question is - how many people out there have links 35+ miles with SR5s / Mikrotik
and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to have up as mission critical
for a company prior to Saturday and all I have on-hand is 2ft PacWireless
Dishes.

Regards,


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RE: [WISPA] SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED

2006-05-25 Thread danlist
Title: Message








I am using the MMCX connectors, 6
pigtail, with 25 of lmr600





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED





That works out to 22-23db output at the SR5 card
(depending on cable loss from the card to the antenna).

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I have a 30mile link, using the MTI dual
pols panels, 23db, signals are -75dbm and 2/3rds of the link are
over water I have 2 radios on each end









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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] SR5s and
36miles - INPUT NEEDED







Johnny, I talked to someone who has done extensive
testing with Ubiquiti's cards, and from that conversation, I would use
about 19 - 20 dbm as the number to go by.











Apparently, there's some variability as production
has gone on, not all are the same, it seems.











But, if you use those numbers, I believe your answers
will be AT LEAST that good or better, no matter what. 











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From: JohnnyO






To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Thursday,
May 25, 2006 10:42 AM





Subject: RE: [WISPA]
SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED











Mike - what is the actual output of the
SR5s you are seeing ? Or anyone else have exact figures - Should I be running
my calculations using 21dbm or 26dbm as advertised ?











JohnnyO





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It may be difficult to provide a mission critical
link with 2-footers; but then again Iam using CM-9's on a 17-mile
link. I know this doesn't help you; but I just recently replaced my
PacWireless 2ft dishes with 2ft dual-polarity Radiowaves dishes and gained 4dB
on both ends. Signal level is around -62dB.











Mike







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From: JohnnyO






To: WISPA General List






Sent: Thursday,
May 25, 2006 9:24 AM





Subject: [WISPA]
SR5s and 36miles - INPUT NEEDED









I've run the path
calcs with Radio Mobile and I should see low -70s using the SR5s in Mikrotik
and 2ft dishes at 36miles.

My question is - how many people out there have links 35+
miles with SR5s / Mikrotik and 2ft Panels or dishes ? I have a link I need to
have up as mission critical for a company prior to Saturday and all I have
on-hand is 2ft PacWireless Dishes.

Regards, 

JohnnyO 









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RE: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC

2006-05-22 Thread danlist

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RE: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC

2006-05-22 Thread danlist
The FCC id on the SR9 is SWX-SR9

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 Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM
 To: Jim Snider
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
 
 
 
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  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf
  Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
  Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:58 PM
  To: Jim Snider
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: [WISPA] Re: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
 
  Can anyone email Jim directly with any info on those new 900mhz pc cards
  that are out there now?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Marlon
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  - Original Message -
  From: Jim Snider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:41 AM
  Subject: RE: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
 
 
  Thanks for sending this.  One correction is that the LMS folks have
  rights to 14 MHz, not 12 MHz.  Also, I wasn't able to find information
  about a 900 MHz Ubiquity product.  Perhaps the company name is spelled
  slightly differently.
 
  --Jim
 
  J.H. Snider, Ph.D.
  Research Director, Wireless Future Program
  New America Foundation
  1630 Connecticut Ave., NW
  Washington, DC 20009
  Phone: 202/986-2700
  Fax: 202/986-3696
  Web: www.newamerica.net
  E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  My Book Website: speaksoftly.jhsnider.net
  My Personal Blogs: jhsnider.net/telecompolicy,
  jhsnider.net/citizensassembly
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:41 PM
  To: Jim Snider
  Cc: FCC Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; John Seaman; Charles
  Brown; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: 900 mhz rules changes at the FCC
  Importance: High
 
  Hi All,
 
  Mike, I didn't know who at Motorola to send this to so would you please
  forward it on?  Thanks,
 
  Jim Snider at the New America foundation has been working with WISPA on
  the proposal to license about half of the 900 mhz band.  As it's such a
  busy time for us he's really been heading up the current efforts.
 
  In a nutshell, there are folks who want to license 12 mhz of the band.
  I believe the proposal will eliminate our use of that spectrum
  completely.
 
  The bad part about this is that, according to Jim, the m-lms folks
  haven't even deployed anything!  We would like to go on the offensive
  and suggest that since they haven't used the band in the nearly 7 years
  they've had the right to, they should loose it.
 
  Jim needs a couple of things sooner than later.
 
  First, how much 900 gear (and customers) is out there now?
 
  Second, what's the trend for 900?
 
  I told him that with much of the low hanging fruit already handled by
  2.4 and 5 gig people are now adding a LOT of 900 to the product mix.
  And with the new 900 gear (from ubiquity???) that's looking like it'll
  be cheaper, I expect there to be a LOT of new activity over the next
  couple of years.
  What say you guys
 
  The deadline to file on the issue is may 30th.  Would you guys please
  file on this issue.  You may want to work with Jim to make sure that you
  get the info out there in a way that he can use as well.
 
  I've copied the relevant info from an email Jim sent me:
 
  P.S. I'm also hoping that WISPA will take an interest in the 06-49 NPRM
  on unlicensed operation in the 902-928 MHz band.  Comments are due May
  30.  As you know, the M-LMS licensees are seeking to significantly
  expand their rights at the expense of unlicensed service.
 
  rm-10403 also has historical filings on this issue.
 
  Thanks all!
  Marlon
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RE: [WISPA] SR9 performance

2006-05-18 Thread danlist








Here is the deal w/ the SR9



The DSP filter can listen on a 20mhz or
10mhz channel (RX), it can TX at 5mhz, 10mhz or 20mhz





The newer atheros chipsets can listen on a
5mhz channel, but the chipset doesnt have as good sensitivity as the 5213
chipset









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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:18
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performance





Someone mentioned that in their testing TX
was in a 10 mhz channel and RX was 5 MHZ (or however you set)



Either way, it wasn't setting it for the
same width baed on what you pick - i.e. it was 5/10 10/10 and 20/10mhz
respectively.















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of chris cooper
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112s

Does anyone know how much of the band you
take up as you raise the raw data rate on the SR9s? Ie, if I use 5 Mhz, what is
the data rate, 10Mhz?



Chris Cooper

Intelliwave





I will be trying them as soon as the SR9 cards arrive..
















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RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

2006-05-16 Thread danlist
Marlon -


My thoughts exactly

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 eeek!  Bottom posting!  I hate having to scroll down to the latest text!
 
 wicked grin
 
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 Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 5:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online?
 
  Eek, top-posting bad.
 
  Anyway, I'm not sure about Best Buy, but most of your good online
  retailers and wholesalers will carry the WRT54GL. (We sell and install
  enough routers that we usually buy 'em in 20-packs. Buy in bulk and save
  save save.)
 
  David Smith
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[WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

2006-05-15 Thread danlist
Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a
low-cost soho router?


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RE: [WISPA] soho router to replace wrt54g?

2006-05-15 Thread danlist
Can that router be purchased at bestbuy or something? Or just online?

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Since the new wrt54g's how come out, they are crap, any suggestions for a
  low-cost soho router?
 
 Spend the extra five bucks and get the WRT54GL (basically the *good*
 WRT54G).
 
 Yeah, I've got a few WRT54G version 5 units in the office, and no idea
 what to do with 'em. Technically they're not defective, so I can't
 return them; however, they're flaky as all get-out and I wouldn't dare
 give them to customers. Maybe the customers that I really don't like and
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RE: [WISPA] more CRM

2006-05-12 Thread danlist








Check out VTIGER its a sql based php CRM





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I'm not thrilled withACT
either...but I'm so deep into it that changing would be a major
nightmare. The newest versions have a sequel database that is a huge
resource hog. I had to upgrade to a gig of RAM on my laptop to get any
kind of performance out of it.



Iupgraded tothe
2005 version and it had so many bugs that they finally said that they were not
going to update it anymore and you had to buy the 2006 version...nice work if
you can get it. The good news is that the 2006 version seems pretty
stable...albeit with a number of flaky features.







Jeff
Broadwick
ImageStream
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From:
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I looked at installing Dynamics - I'm a
biz partner, so I got all the stuff, and it still didn't work.



Not to mention being a total pig.



I hate ACT!, but it's still one of the
only things out there.









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speaking of ACT and crm
.. anyone use MS Business Contact Manager? Or Dynamics? the latter looks like
overkill. also - any favorite tricks for making calls from the CRM through
softphones or otherwise?



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I've had a couple scares in the last few years, so I back up ACT and
several
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have to
remember to do it.




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[WISPA] FTP testing

2006-05-11 Thread danlist
I just setup a 100MB fiber connection, but our connection to the internet seems
limited on the outbound… does anybody have a remote ssh account or interested in
downloading from our FTP on the 100mb fiber?

Thanks



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[WISPA] 48port switch w/ 802.11q

2006-05-10 Thread danlist
Is there a beast for under $500? I know trendnet makes some *stuff* but it is
port based vlaning



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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-17 Thread danlist
What is the max throughput in a PTMP setup?

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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
 
 I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
 save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
 than other platforms then you are right but the performance boost and
 wider coverage per cell make up for much of the higher cost.. I disagree
 that mainstream WISPs cannot afford this. I know most of you guys can.
 If you have ANY money behind you or ANY borrowing power at all then
 Alvarion has a good option for offering access to a high performance
 PtoMP backhaul or service to higher end clients. This is a good option.
 With that said I am not saying it is the ONLY option but saying this is
 out of reach of mainstream WISPs is not a fair statement. Check the
 pricing and see if this can suit your needs before you assume it cannot.
 Scriv
 
 
 Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
 
 It is not financially feasible for a mainstream WISP, who is attempting to
 serve all types of internet customers to rely on BA for anything but
 specialized application.,   It's just too expensive.
 
 
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 Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and
 continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's
 
 
 using
 
 
 our gear in the states alone. You won't find many of them here or on other
 WISP threads but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Saying we're niche
 
 
 and
 
 
 not mainstream and there is some division is a real strech. Brad
 
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 With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than
 Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no basis in fact. In the
 past I have been put-off by a perceived arrogance I have seen by some
 Alvarion representatives who have insisted previously that they had the
 only viable solution for wireless broadband and seemed as though they
 were claiming almost a holier than thou behavior toward anyone stating
 another opinion than their own. I have also seen a terribly biased
 negative attitude toward Alvarion by many WISPs who wanted to drive home
 the WISP=Cheap mentality to the point of alienating Alvarion from our
 entire market segment. Both Alvarion and most WISPs have lost a great
 ally in each other and I suspect both sides have suffered from such
 negativity. I am hoping to see this division closed between the typical
 WISP operator and Alvarion.
 
 
 Until Alvarion makes a product that's viable for more than niche market
 WISP, the 'division' is simply going to continue to exist.  They have
 certain products that WISP's will find useful and valuable, but they don't
 make mainstream WISP last mile equipment.   I have been expecting to see
 them announce something, but so far, I've not seen anything.
 
 The ball's in thier court.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-12 Thread danlist
Lonnie,

Is the WAR/staros platform working PTMP or is it PTP?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Lonnie Nunweiler
 Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:07 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
 
 What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the
 absolute max I will let someone ask for.  That means with compressible
 data we do better than they expect.  No harm done, we figure.
 
 Lonnie
 
 On 4/12/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  PS.  UDP tests usually need to be run with Dynamic Modulation features
  disabled.
 
  ISPs that delver telco grade services usually need to operate without
  Dynamic moduilation anyway, to consistently guarantee the link capacity
  available to tenants, and set at a speed that can deliver reliabilty
  consistently, in my opinion. I know some orthogon users may differ in
  opinion..
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
 
 
  Using the 533 MHz IXP-420 we can get an Atheros to just over 35 mbps
  of non compressible data and almost 90 mbps of compressible data.
 
  Lonnie
 
  On 4/11/06, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan,
  
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on
   another wireless list.
  
What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have
   seen with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic
   passing
   thru the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?
  
Travis
Microserv
  
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
   I believe that the atheros chipset is capped at 35Mbps, although users of
   MT
   have claimed higher using very fast cpu's.
  
  
  
   I have several atheros/MT/nstream links (PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps….
   Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP
   and all the other features available make a nice system
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201
  
   1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  
  

  
  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis
   Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
  
  
  
   Hi,
  
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
   in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
  
Travis
Microserv
  
Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web site
  
http://www.staros.com/starvx/
  
Cheers,
  
P.
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Goodin
Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
  
So... Who makes them?, how much?
  
  
  
  
Hi Richard,
  
This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes that
George was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and
   even
seems to improve signal quality.
  
Cheers,
  
P.
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Richard Goodin
Sent: 11 April 2006 08:09
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
  
  
  
  
Guys;
These all sound great.  I was reading just a couple months back about a
WISP
  
operator that had a severe problem.  Just a few yards away, maybe 300
   feet,
another guy put up his tower.  I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, and
someone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected by
conventional systems.  Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channel
spacing or coding.  I really feel that stealth is best here.  These other
guys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do
not
  
need.
  
Lee
  
  
Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.
  
They
  
  
  
are like Timex watches.
  
I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2
  
card
  
  
boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.
Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz
  
channel
  
  
sizes.
  
One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over the
place. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.
  

[WISPA] out-sourced billing/collections

2006-04-11 Thread danlist
As we grow we have more of a need to outsource the billing/collections or hire
somebody inhouse

Is anybody outsourcing the billing?

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I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast cpus.




I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable
channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice system







Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201

1-888-wbsystem (888)
927-9783
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP





Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? 

Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee 

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. 

They 

are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 

card 

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz 

channel 

sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the 

pc 

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: 

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles 



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: 

that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 

If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: 

I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery 









was 









802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how to avoid problems. I have a50' tower, and it is ROHN 45g. My choice for antennas would be 4 90degree horizontal antennas. I have looked at bandwidth and shopped 









it 









to death. My best price is $400 from Lime Light. And I've built acouple of servers, acquired some switches and a router. The Router 









is 









a Cisco 1750.My questions:What CPE's and AP's would work best in this environment? I want tokeep interferance to a minimum, as well as control costs. Myenvironment includes lots of desert, and single story buildings.Lee 







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RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-11 Thread danlist








Im using a standard RB532, IP conn-track
off, I am using the pacwireless outdoor enclosures or the MTI pocket antennas




SR5 cards, nstream enabled, framer policy
dynamic size, limit-3200 is default 4000 works a little better but have
not tested w/ voip



Routing is faster than bridging  cpu
is definitely an issue at 30Mbps  I will be getting a outdoor 1ghz+
system to test which is doing 40Mbps and 80Mbps I believe w/ Turbo





Lots of option, 5mhz, 10mhz, 20mhz or
40mhz channels, possibility of using 2 separate 20mhz links and load-balancing
them for the 60Mbps to 80Mbps





Plus you could go nstream2 and setup FDX
link w/ either dual pol dish or 2 antennas.









Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201

1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP





Dan,

We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.

What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen
with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru
the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast
cpus. 



I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus
adjustable channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available
make a nice system







Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201

1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP





Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? 

Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee 

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. 

They 

are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 

card 

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz 

channel 

sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the 

pc 

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: 

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles 



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: 

that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 

If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has thatcpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.Richard Goodin wrote: 

I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begindelivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery 









was 








RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-11 Thread danlist








I use a lot of different hardware from
Trango, Karlnet, Proxim, and mikrotik polling systems generally perform
better than non-polling  gps sync may scale even better



When I first used the trango 900 series I
liked having the simple design and very easy install unlike karlnet. But I
have had issues w/ firmware, all my APs randomly reboot as well as sus. 



The RB532/MT setup works (the MMCX on the
SR5 and SR2 is nice, never reboots  great throughput  however some assembly
is required  but it only takes a few minutes to screw the board into the
enclosure, the ECS-RJ-45 from pacwireless makes a nice external rj45 jack and connect
the pigtail then add antenna



Having the 2nd antenna port on
the rb532 could be very beneficial although I generally like my PTP Links to be
on separate hardware than my PTMP, but I do have some 5.8ghz PTP links into a
dual rb532, 2nd port is SR2 for wifi



I know that trango is running MT on some
of the hd mesh dardware, looks like it could even be the rb532 board (not
sure)  







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781-566-2053 ext 6201

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:13
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP





Dan,

We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.

What processor and setup are you using to get 30Mbps? The fastest I have seen
with routerboard 532's in a p2p config is 20Mbps of TCP traffic passing thru
the RB's. Do you have outdoor enclosures?

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I believe that the atheros chipset is
capped at 35Mbps, although users of MT have claimed higher using very fast
cpus. 



I have several atheros/MT/nstream links
(PTP and PTMP) that push 30Mbps. Pretty impressive throughput, plus adjustable
channels, plus QoS for VoIP and all the other features available make a nice
system







Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201

1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
support: [EMAIL PROTECTED]















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system
for a new WISP





Hi,

Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?

Travis
Microserv

Paul Hendry wrote: 

All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp://www.staros.com/starvx/ Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 09:15To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPSo... Who makes them?, how much? 

Hi Richard, This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes thatGeorge was referring to on the Star WAR boards. Works really well and evenseems to improve signal quality.Cheers,P.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] OnBehalf Of Richard GoodinSent: 11 April 2006 08:09To: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISPGuys;These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISPoperator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, andsomeone suggested a different AP that would not even be detected byconventional systems. Something about nonstandard bandwidth, channelspacing or coding. I really feel that stealth is best here. These otherguys have been in business for a while and could cause trouble that I do notneed.Lee 

Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use. 

They 

are like Timex watches.I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2 

card 

boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to 5MHz and 10MHz 

channel 

sizes.One of the things I've been doing is slapping up repeaters all over theplace. Cheap as hell, about 400.00 or so.Lately I've ran lmr400 into some of my customers attics and installed anomni for their home wifi. We tend to service our customers right to the 

pc 

and it's a lot better router than a linksys. And I have happier customersand I'm happier.The 2 port and the 4 port both have dual ethernet as well.Pretty versatile product. Lonnie has come along way with the new warplatform.GeorgeTravis Johnson wrote: 

That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3 



miles 



(add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to 



10Mbps. 



Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get hundreds ofcustomers per sector.TravisMicroservRick Smith wrote: 

that's only quantity (large!) 

RE: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...

2006-04-08 Thread danlist
Is it possible the u.fl connectors have come loose? I have had a few issues w/
the u.fl connection coming slightly loose during the tower climb - 

Thanks


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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Jason
 Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 3:04 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big trouble with my first AP...
 
 David,
 
 I was afraid I sounded like a newbie...  Anyway, I've had the radios on
 different channels and the same ones; would this effect the signal
 strength or the s/n ratio?  Signal strength is where the problem is.
 Also I wasn't worried that the coax or antennas were damaged, the radio
 itself was my worry .  I tried both polarities on the antenna I was
 testing with.
 
 David E. Smith wrote:
  Jason wrote:
 
 
  I have a difficult question for the list.  I was testing my 1st
  routerboard/mikrotik ap this evening with terrible results.  Let me give
  you the rundown of what I have and what has happened.
 
 
  [ snip: a fairly typical kinda setup ]
 
  Forgive me for going through all the really obvious newbie stuff, but the
  sooner we can rule it out, the sooner we can get to the juicy stuff. :)
 
  Are the three APs on the same channel, or three different channels? And
  are they using the same SSID or different ones? Also, did you make sure
  your rootenna was correctly polarized to point to the AP?
 
 
  One other thing which might be the cause is that while I was setting up
  the mikrotik/routerboard I activated the 3 cm9 radios not realizing that
  they were set for the 5 Ghz band.  They were probably like that for an
  hour until I got to that part of the setup.  Perhaps something is wrong
  now or are the cm9's forgiving?
 
 
  That shouldn't be a problem. The CM9 will change over to the new frequency
  pretty much immediately, and I can't imagine how running the AP on the
  wrong channel would have damaged the coax run or the antenna. (Not saying
  it's impossible, just very unlikely IMO.)
 
  David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread danlist
All good points and I also think that in a urban/city environment were you have
more visible rooftops that redundancy from another PoP is the key and using a
routing protocol to fail over if the main link goes down


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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 Travis does bring up an important issue regarding uptime.
 
 It has been proven that Wireless can be a reliable technology, the flaw is
 not the RF.
 Expecially PtP links engineered between two points on an ISPs network,
 controlled by an ISP.
 The problem however come in on the other side of the link. Can we control
 the factors on the customer side, that can effect reliabilty? And is it cost
 effective to do so?
 
 Some examples:
 1. A landscaper cut the CAT5 cable on the side of the house.
 2. Poor electrical causes frequent radio lockup or Linksys's to loose
 configs.
 3. A cleaning crew, unplugs routers in MTU building electrical closet, so
 they can plug in their vacume.
 4. A customer gets a Virus, and sends traffic patterns that manages to force
 lockups on AP regularly.
 5. A roofer desides to setup a temp work center in front of our rooftop SU
 dish antenna. Packet loss every 3 minutes, when goes to grab another bunch
 of shingles or what ever.
 
 Many of these problems are less prone to happen with T1 lines, but it has
 nothing to do with technology, it has to do with deployment trends and
 characteristics.  As a result, in some cases, short outages could occur more
 frequently. Thats why its so important that WISPs continue to push the many
 other valuable positives of Wireless that the technology uniquely gives,
 making it all worth it.
 
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 
  Matt,
 
  Now you are comparing $150,000 point to point licensed microwave links
  with $150 CPE point to multi-point links?
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  We haven't been in business for 3 years, but yes we have wireless links
  that have 100% uptime. How many years did this entire country depend on
  wireless links for long distance prior to fiber optics? The M in MCI
  isn't microwave for no reason.
 
  -Matt
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I have point to point T1 lines from Qwest that have been up 100% for the
  last 3 years. That's 100.0% uptime. Do you have any wireless links that
  have that type of reliability?
 
  I am probably one of the largest WISP operators on this and any wireless
  list. I built our entire wireless backbone from the ground up starting
  in 1997. I spent 3 hours on a tower this morning installing two new
  AP's. I understand where wireless fits and where it doesn't.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  I'll take a wireless link over a T1 any day if for no other reason then
  the wireless link will be more reliable. You're never going to suffer
  the loss of a link due to a backhoe or a drunk driver hitting a pole,
  which are the two most likely reasons for a T1 failure.
 
  Personally, I believe that fixed wireless is truly better and I would
  argue someone has no business working for a fixed wireless company if
  they don't believe it too.
 
  -Matt
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  The original postition and question was are you comparing your
  wireless service to telco T1. After your posts, it's obvious that you
  are... and I would argue that a land-based line will ALWAYS be better
  than wireless, with all other factors being the same. Now, if you are
  able to save the customer $xx per month by using wireless, then there
  is an advantage. If you can provide other services, then there is an
  advantage. However, comparing a half-duplex system to a full-duplex
  system and saying they are the same is... not correct.
 
  If you had the choice between running a full-duplex wireless system
  and half-duplex, which would you do? :)
 
  If you could purchase a land-based connection to go from point A to
  point B for $500 per month, or rent roof-top space at point A and
  point B for $500 per month, which would you choose? ;)
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
  Travis,
 
  I'd love to perform your test.
  Send me the CD.
  Understanding that I will provision the customer at 3 mbps on our
  first hop router, using Trango 10mbps PtMP radio link, and that your
  CD test will generate 1500mbps of data transfer.
 
  There are three seperate issues here. 1) One user's connection able
  to effect another user's 

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-07 Thread danlist
Matt,

What hardware are you using?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:40 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  20 years ago before the fiber and MCI was using links, they cost
  more than $150k. Even our local cell phone provider has point to point
  links that are over $100k today.
 
 That's nice, but they don't have to cost that much. I know one of the
 local metro counties here is using 7Ghz licensed for trunking their 911
 operations and each link cost under $50k. I am not privy to the uptime
 of these links, but I am guessing that they must be pretty reliable if
 they are used for 911 by a government entity.
 
  I've been doing this for almost 10 years I have THOUSANDS of
  wireless customers. How many customers do you have? The total number
  of failures is relative to the number of CPE.
 
 I don't really see how we can compare our businesses as we don't really
 do much multipoint. A customer that just buys a T1 replacement for a
 single location is the exception in our business. Most of our customers
 are buying a lot more bandwidth and/or have many locations. For example,
 one of our CLEC customers just placed an order for 14 new 3Mbps links.
 You think a CLEC is going to use us for last mile if we can't provide
 them with a 99.99%/50ms SLA?
 
  And if you are using CPE that is more than $150, maybe you should be
  looking at Trango. :)
 
 We evaluated Trango and even used them in a the field for a while. We
 don't use Trango anymore.
 
 -Matt
 
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RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-05 Thread danlist
On a good system like canopy or polling (nstream or turbocell) I  have been able
to run a FDX style link, downloading 1.5Mbps while uploading 1.5Mbps, using
Nstream I have done 15Mbps pseudo-fdx


Nstream2 allows a true FDX channel but I believe only PTP

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Matt Liotta
 Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 It is true. Basic logic says that 3Mbps divided in half means you can
 get 1.5Mbps. Further, find any device that can have strict time division
 partitioning set and test it yourself.
 
 -Matt
 
 Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Matt,
 
  This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps upload,
  it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music sharing,
  worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a 1.5Mbps
  upload will bring it almost to a stop.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to
  1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic
  time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO.
 
  -Matt
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco
  service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless?
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
  Chris,
 
  I agree with your finding.
  But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or
  what was the finding?)
  For example, its not only important to determine what terms the
  customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning
  they have for those terms that they identify with.
 
  For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that High Speed
  Internet was the term that the consumer best identified with.
  However, most people identify High Speed Internet as much with
  DialUP service as they do with Broadband.
  And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or
  Cable services.  Why do we want to create the image of offering
  commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair
  SLAs, and best effort?
 
  Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as
  setting standards for quality?
 
  We don't want to be identified as that.  We want to be something
  better.
 
  Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort, Wifi services
  to your clients, and you are striving to be a competitor to Cable
  and DSL quality, sure Brand the product as DSL, and its a good
  thing.  And please do so, so your wireless is not identified with
  what we offer, branding high quality fiber extension and T1
  replacement services.
 
  In your focus group did you get any results on their perception of
  quality that they associated with Cable and DSL or the term High
  Speed Internet?
 
  Would you suggest branding your T1 or Fiber offerings as High
  Speed Internet, since customers best identify with that term?
 
  Maybe we should be branding our service as Wi-Fiber. or Maybe
  Ethernet Internet Access  (of course like end users will know
  what Ethernet means.)
 
  Its a tough call because if we called our service Fiber or T1
  we'd most likely be liars based on their true definitions.
  Nothing exists realting to quality for us to piggy back on.
 
  All though Broadband may not be as well recognized, its doesn;t
  associate us with Telcos or Cable companies necessarilly.
  Broadband is truthfully defined as a general term to cover any
  media type of delivery of Internet Access.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message - From: chris cooper
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:34 AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 
  We conducted a few focus groups here.  Most of the attendees were
  in the
  18-24 yr. age bracket.  It was amazing how many didn't identify
  with the
  word broadband.  The words they responded to best were 'high speed
  internet  Wireless was way down the list.  Too much confusion with
  cellular.
 
  That said, I think wireless will hold its own as a marketing term
  eventually.  Wireless is the sexy new darling of the world. It
  will be
  worth trading on the word eventually.  The other part of this is
  that we
  are building brands as wireless providers, so it makes sense to keep
  that in the mix until the world catches up.  In 95-96 I was out
  trying
  to sell people on the words internet, email and website.  Those words
  didn't register then but they are now a permanent part of the
  American
  lexicon and in the American brain.  The word wireless and what it
  represents will eventually do the 

RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

2006-04-05 Thread danlist
Our noc is connected w/ a 5.8Ghz PTP Link.  We do streaming audio from that NOC
while also providing internet access.. During the day the streaming audio hits
over 2Mbps and during that same time we pulling 2Mbps to 4Mbps from the
internet.

The system is definitely HDX but has no problem sending and receiving data
providing that there is capacity on the radio link, it just switch's rx/tx so
fast

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 4:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 Hi,
 
 If someone wants to setup whatever wireless network they would like to
 test and then let me know, I'll gladly send you a CD you can pop in a
 laptop and connect at the CPE side. It will dish out 4,000pps and
 1.5Mbps of upload traffic. Then you can go ahead and try and download
 something at the same time across that same link using the same CPE
 connection.
 
 If it were a telco-T1, the download would not even notice the upload.
 Wireless, being a half-duplex medium, does not compare to a full-duplex
 line. Licensed and true microwave systems are a different story.
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
  Travis,
 
  We do not see that on our network.
  One provider's usage rarely has an effect on the others, that can be
  significantly noticed.
  When bandwidth management is done at the first hop at every cell site,
  this does not happen.
  I'm referring to using Trango 5830s.
 
  You are however bringing up the difference between time syncronized
  circuit based apposed to Ethernet products.
  With Ethernet, there is always a scale up and scale down of speed,
  based on the TCP protocol when limits are reached, but this has
  nothing to do with half or full duplex. The same degregation using
  Ethernet applies to traffic going in the same direction.
  For Ethernet to be a viable repalcement for T1, it must be of greater
  capacity.
 
  The second thing, distinguishing the difference between T1 and DSL
  classe, and which Wireless compares to, is more than just Speed and
  Duplex.
 
  SLAs,  Repair Time, Network support, Peak Speed, etc.
 
  the idea is that unused bandwdith can never be gone back to regain use
  of. So offering 3 mbps speed allows network usage to be delivered
  sooner, so bandwidth is free for upcomming traffic, therefore making
  more traffic available for that upcomming need. Higher capacity allows
  more efficient use of the bandwdith.  So we find that our customers
  tend to recognize a perception of much better speed on our wireless
  links than our T1 links, because they have fewer congestion times.
 
  The secret is for the bandwdith management to be provided equally on a
  PRIORITY basis.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
  - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband
 
 
  Matt,
 
  This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps
  upload, it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music
  sharing, worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a
  1.5Mbps upload will bring it almost to a stop.
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Matt Liotta wrote:
 
  3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to
  1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic
  time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO.
 
  -Matt
 
  Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco
  service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless?
 
  Travis
  Microserv
 
  Tom DeReggi wrote:
 
  Chris,
 
  I agree with your finding.
  But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or
  what was the finding?)
  For example, its not only important to determine what terms the
  customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning
  they have for those terms that they identify with.
 
  For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that High Speed
  Internet was the term that the consumer best identified with.
  However, most people identify High Speed Internet as much with
  DialUP service as they do with Broadband.
  And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or
  Cable services.  Why do we want to create the image of offering
  commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair
  SLAs, and best effort?
 
  Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as
  setting standards for quality?
 
  We don't want to be identified as that.  We want to be something
  better.
 
  Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort, 

[WISPA] sample roof top lease

2006-03-17 Thread danlist
Anybody have a sample roof top lease I could get a copy of ?

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RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)

2006-03-12 Thread danlist
Every feature discussed in this thread is available in the mikrotik OS/CPE,
while I agree the completed cpe costs are costly at around $350 at 5ghz ---

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Mark Koskenmaki
 Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
 
 No, I'm not.
 
 
 
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 personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
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 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:52 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
 
 
  So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz,
 2.4ghz
  or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC
 
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  www.wbisp.com
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   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf
   Of Mark Koskenmaki
   Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it
 did?)
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it
 did?)
  
  
Ok dream list.
   
I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits
what you mention plus:
  
   Ok, 20mbit capability.
  
multiple freq. by change of radio card ..  for today 900 mhz,
 2.4ghz,
5ghz
  
   Ok, but what if we say flexible wireless standards, by means of
   standardized replaceable radios?   Would that work?
  
support for higher powered radios
single and dual radio versions
  
   Ok, so you want relay capable?   Can we state it that way?
  
QOS
Channel size  5mhz,10mhz etc.
  
   This is included in the flexible wireless standards statement...
  
firewall
  
   What do you firewall?  I have a small list of ports I firewall, but
 havent'
   found it to be a big issue.
  
port forwarding
  
   Why port forwarding?   I find it easier to route a small subnet of
 public
   IP's.
  
dual ethernet
  
   What do you use ethernet #2 for?
  
POE - prefer standard 48 vdc
  
   Ok, I did not include POE,  thanks.
  
small footprint
  
   ok, good addition.
  
SNMP
  
   Good thing.
  
syslogs and remote syslog
  
   How much does this really do?   Who has it and who uses it?   I'd love
 to
   know.
  
watchdog, both ping and hardware
  
   !!! good :)
  
maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through
 syslogs
server)
  
   What would it alert you to?   failure would be considered a
 disconnect,
   would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert...
  
support multiple gateways
  
   CPE?  Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different
 AP's
   for redundancy?
  
temp range for outside installations
  
   A given, but, yeah, good spec to have.
  
   
as you asked Mark  dream list.
  
   Awesome.  Thanks.   As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with
 DSL
   or Cable, so that I can have no large install cost hurdle and grow
 rapidly
   without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd
 see
   what everone wanted in a CPE.  Not to evangelize a network type or
   particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things
 people
   think are important...  (or, what the heck am I missing, here...)
  
  
   North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
   personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
   sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
   Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
 
  --
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   -
  
   
Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.
   
   
   
   
   
   
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it
 did?)
   
   

 What's your CPE do for you...  Or what do you WISH it did for you?

 My dream list...

  $100 without antenna
 can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer
 Routing
 nat
 DHCP server to client
 DHCP client to AP
 bandwidth control
 Centralized 

RE: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)

2006-03-11 Thread danlist
So basically your talking about a Mikrotik CPE w/ atheros radio at 5ghz, 2.4ghz
or the coming 900mhz radio running on rb532 SBC

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Mark Koskenmaki
 Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 4:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:24 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
 
 
  Ok dream list.
 
  I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits
  what you mention plus:
 
 Ok, 20mbit capability.
 
  multiple freq. by change of radio card ..  for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz,
  5ghz
 
 Ok, but what if we say flexible wireless standards, by means of
 standardized replaceable radios?   Would that work?
 
  support for higher powered radios
  single and dual radio versions
 
 Ok, so you want relay capable?   Can we state it that way?
 
  QOS
  Channel size  5mhz,10mhz etc.
 
 This is included in the flexible wireless standards statement...
 
  firewall
 
 What do you firewall?  I have a small list of ports I firewall, but havent'
 found it to be a big issue.
 
  port forwarding
 
 Why port forwarding?   I find it easier to route a small subnet of public
 IP's.
 
  dual ethernet
 
 What do you use ethernet #2 for?
 
  POE - prefer standard 48 vdc
 
 Ok, I did not include POE,  thanks.
 
  small footprint
 
 ok, good addition.
 
  SNMP
 
 Good thing.
 
  syslogs and remote syslog
 
 How much does this really do?   Who has it and who uses it?   I'd love to
 know.
 
  watchdog, both ping and hardware
 
 !!! good :)
 
  maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs
  server)
 
 What would it alert you to?   failure would be considered a disconnect,
 would it not, in which case you'd never get the alert...
 
  support multiple gateways
 
 CPE?  Do you mean, a cpe that has 2 radios that connect to 2 different AP's
 for redundancy?
 
  temp range for outside installations
 
 A given, but, yeah, good spec to have.
 
 
  as you asked Mark  dream list.
 
 Awesome.  Thanks.   As I sit wondering how to achieve that parity with DSL
 or Cable, so that I can have no large install cost hurdle and grow rapidly
 without any more cash binds than I'm in right now...I figured I'd see
 what everone wanted in a CPE.  Not to evangelize a network type or
 particular maker's system, but just generically, to see what things people
 think are important...  (or, what the heck am I missing, here...)
 
 
 North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
 personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
 sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
 Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
 
 -
 
 
  Tim Kerns
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  - Original Message -
  From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)
 
 
  
   What's your CPE do for you...  Or what do you WISH it did for you?
  
   My dream list...
  
$100 without antenna
   can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer
   Routing
   nat
   DHCP server to client
   DHCP client to AP
   bandwidth control
   Centralized management and configuration
   centralized or automatic update
  
  
   What other things do have or wish your cpe did for you?  Or,
   characteristics
   of your CPE?
  
   Let's not get into dsss vs ofdm vs (insert favorite here) etc.
  
  
  
  
  
   North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
   personal correspondence to:  mark at neofast dot net
   sales inquiries to:  purchasing at neofast dot net
   Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
 
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[WISPA] polycom IP 500 phones -- headset options???

2006-03-08 Thread danlist








Can anybody suggest a good headset
(wireless/Bluetooth) for the polycom IP500





Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201





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RE: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance

2006-03-06 Thread danlist
so should primus be avoided?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Peter R.
 Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM
 To: John Scrivner
 Cc: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
 
 Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994.
 Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in
 International exchanges.
 
 Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M.
 About to be de-listed from Nasdaq.
 Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005 was ($25) million (including a $13
 million net loss from foreign currency transactions, a $4 million gain
 on early extinguishment of debt and $1 million in severance expense).
 
 Revenue growth was in wireless (MVNO), Covad re-sale, and International
 markets.
 
 Retail VOIP services grew modestly in the quarter to approximately
 104,000 customers. This growth level reflects the fact that the Company
 continued to moderate its investment in LINGO in part due to the
 disruption in marketing activities raised by E911 regulations. Revenue
 from retail VOIP customers reached $8 million during the fourth quarter.
 
 
 John Scrivner wrote:
 
  Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do
  make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share
  more about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in
  knowing anything I can about them right now.
  Thanks,
  Scriv
 
 
  Peter R. wrote:
 
  You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
  Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company.
 
  Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how
  to make a profit.
 
  Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in
  revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
 
  Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
 
  Regards,
 
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RE: [WISPA] Sales Marketing of Unlicensed Wireless Services --SomeObservations

2006-02-24 Thread danlist
 
 I'd argue market conditions is the biggest factor. So why spend the money on
 the higher price gear?
 

Well currently canopy is pretty cheap but only does 7Mbps/7Mbps throughput, a
MT system w/ 23db MTI pocket antenna is about $400 but will do 30Mbps with good
SNR and 15Mbps w/o a problem

The next step is the alvarion VL line which is pretty costly, then there is the
solectek(sp?), and some other atheros based solutions, all seem to be about
$1000 cpe priced solutions

I want the 15Mbps to 30Mbps to the CPE and will pay more than the canopy cheapo
version to get, is it worth it? Is it worth to roll my own MT solution or to pay
more for the pre-rolled alvarion/solectek/etc?
 

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RE: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000

2006-02-23 Thread danlist








Whats the deal n the airaya stuff? Are they
making the 5.3 stuff? What are the specs?





Dan Metcalf
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509)
982-2181
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006
11:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solectek
Skyway 7000







Hiya Matt,











I used to sell Solectek gear. Years ago. It was
a good company with good gear as I recall. If you are up and running and
have a good reputation in your market it never hurts to try new toys.











These days most of the gear I'm buying for links like that
comes from Airaya. It's great stuff and I LOVE the 5.3 band!











laters,





Marlon
(509)
982-2181
Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910
(Vonage)
Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




















- Original Message - 





From: Matt Glaves 





To: wireless@wispa.org






Sent: Wednesday,
February 22, 2006 6:49 PM





Subject: [WISPA] Solectek
Skyway 7000









I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at
either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to
building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to
know plenty of you are using it successfully  although I sure wish I
could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a
message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway J



I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This
would be for very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would
normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with
similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on
reliability and real world throughput would be great.



Thanks,

Matt









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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems

2006-02-19 Thread danlist
Not at 900mhz though


Does anybody have any idea on the availability of the 30Mbps access point that
works w/ the $150 5Ghz cpe?

Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-846-6798 ext 6021
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz Systems
 
 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
  but that sub $300 CPE that a Trango told me about last August never
  showed up.  So I guess I move on
 
  Brian
 
 It did. Only at $150!!!
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RE: [WISPA] 900 client and omni antennas

2006-02-13 Thread danlist








What about the pacwireless grids?













From:
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006
2:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 client
and omni antennas







The best client antenna in 900 depends on the typical
weather / environment, not just specifically best antenna.











To combat heavy foliage in very Rural areas (dry summer
months),M2inc's - 17 dbiYagis have been invaluable to gain maximum
RSSI, to penetrate the trees. However, they become useless in Winter
weather, when they get ice buildup on them.











In a ice/snow heavy environment, panel antennas are MUCH
better, for example the built-in 10dbi antenna of Trango 900 radios, to get max
allowed RSSIin a weather resistent panel enclosure. The F/B is poor
(only 12 db), but often the best choice for ease, cost, and Dual pol
flexibilty.











In high noise areas, such as Urban or colocated near paging
gear, ahigh quality antenna like MTI's 10 dbi panel, offers maximum F/B
ratio, toblockout interference. Not much can out perform them, but
at a trade off of cost and flexibility of pol change on the fly.











When Yagi's can be mounted low for easy access, (within
Gorilla Ladder height (18 feet), and for residential where I can afford to take
the risk of not having pol change on the fly (usually consistent noise floor on
a polarity), Idon't hesitate to install a Yagi as my first
choice.Often Verticle is less desirable interference any way, based
on paging companies. However, for critical links, installing the M2inc
yagis are risky. They mounting method is horrible. It allows a lot of play for
the Yagi to move in heavy winds. If mounted high on a steep roof, I avoid
the Yagi unless they are absolutely necessary, because they need mcuh more
frequent attention. For example to wipe the snow off of them, or re-align.











There are someother Yagis that have more secure double point
mounts, around 12-15 dbi, if you can afford to give up the 2 db.











As for verticle Omni type client antennas, for example for
mobile apps, I have no advice.





 





Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



















- Original Message - 





From: Rick
Harnish 





To: 'WISPA General
List' 





Sent: Monday, February
13, 2006 1:11 PM





Subject: [WISPA] 900 client
and omni antennas









What are the 900 client antennas of choice as well as omni
directionals. I would like a solution that can get 5-6 miles NLOS.
We dont have a lot of dense foliage that we have tried to penetrate up
until now but are looking for a solution for select cells.



Respectfully,



Rick
Harnish

President

OnlyInternet
Broadband  Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482
Office

260-307-4000
Cell

260-918-4340
VoIP

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RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme

2006-02-09 Thread danlist
I am not seeing results like this at all, I am using nstream on several PTP
links w/ SR5 cards w/ great success, (polling on) - throughput is awesome and I
have replaced all of my karlnet backhaul links (well not replaced but turned the
karlnet links into backup links), I believe mikrotik is definitely the next
wave, so much that I have started offering complete AP/CPE solution kits through
my web store @ http://store.wbisp.com/ (site just went up last night so its
under construction)

Mikrotik is really bringing a great product to the market and w/ the coming sr9
cards there will be a lot of options on the table for the WISP's


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
 
 This problem was solved thanks to prompt tech support from Wisp-Router.
 
 With NStreme enabled, it is necessary to assign the IP to the Bridged port,
 not ether1.
 However, without Nstreme enabled, it works fine with IP assigned to Ether1,
 as long as bridged to WLAN.
 (The same way that always worked with Star OS)
 
 There were also a couple odd things related to what order setting were
 checked converting from one config to another, that kept Nstreme from
 working, which we were able to replicate after the fact (after tech
 support), to prove we weren't crazy.  Unfortuneately, I can't remember now,
 what exactly the sequence was, 5 hours later. For example, there were times
 when we enabled Nstreme correctly , and it just wouldn't connect. But we
 then disabled it, got WDS to talk again, and then re-enabled it
 successfully. It may have had something todo with one side of the link being
 completely configured before the other. Because if both aren't on Nstreme
 they dont talk at the radio level. So the rule was when a configuration
 didn't talk, disble NStreme, make it talk, then re-enable, and it would
 work.
 
 What I do like about Mikrotik, is that its all there infront of you, all the
 tools, all the features, as needed. Its pretty well laid out, once you get
 the hang of it.
 
 Probably the biggest feature I saw missing, was it didn't support diversity
 mode on the Wireless driver.  It was A or B or Full Duplex. But not
 diversity.
 
 One of the nice things about Star-OS was that it supported diversity mode,
 but also it was less critical to configuration errors.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
 
 
  Thats exactly what we are trying to do, but its not working, using version
  9.12.
 
  If I try ping radios
 
  When sniffing, the station sees traffic comming in, but the AP-bridge,
  sees no traffic comming in.
 
  I correctly have put both interfaces Ether1 and WDS1 to the same bridge1.
  Won't pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected.
 
  The IP is assigned to the ether1 port on each of the sides.
 
  I have the same problem trying to do it without WDS and straight WLAN1. I
  can;t pass traffic the second Nstreme gets selected.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  From: JNA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:32 AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Bridging w-Nstreme
 
 
 
  However, it appears their may be is a flaw in config options, in the
  sense
  that there is no way to get NStreme to work in PTMP modes as a True
  bridge,
  as that would require WDS-AP and WDS-Slave which is not a supported
  config.
  Am I correct on this? Or when NStreme is used, can I safely use WDS-
  station,
  and be a true bridge?
 
  Tom,
 
  We are doing this. We have the base set to ap bridge, with dynamic wds
  enabled using nstream and polling. Backhaul on the towers using wds
  station
  WDS with dynamic wds enabled using nstream and polling. We then have an
  omni
  off the routerboard and the Ethernet connected to a trango 900 base via
  cross over. It is working as a full bridge and our clients get dhcp from
  the
  gateway server at the other end with no problem. I think this is what you
  are looking at doing and If so it is working for us.
 
  John
 
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

2006-02-09 Thread danlist
What pigtails and connectors? Mmcx on the SR5 or u.fl? are these new SR5's or
older sr'5s?

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Blair Davis
 Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:08 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.
 
 Hey all:
 
 I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik
 that I setup to test with.  Let me describe the setup...
 
 The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone.  Each end
 has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio.
 
 Using the link calculator at
 http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm I get a predicted rx of
 -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output).  Using the SR5
 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8
 
 On to the real world results  (all reading taken from the MikroTik's
 winbox.  I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's)
 
 With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin
 of error.  An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's output
 power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results..  I know that the
 MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can
 not put out 30db.  Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a like
 amount.  This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and 22Mb/sec
 in TCP mode
 
 With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the
 margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength!  An interesting
 note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at
 30db to get these results.  I know that the MikroTik must be doing
 something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
 Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount.  This link
 is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode.
 
 Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back
 again.  I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.  The
 antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the
 pigtail from one card to the other).
 
 Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here?  Or do I just have some
 bad SR5 cards?  Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?  Or
 is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db?
 
 BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5
 cards then.  Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

2006-02-09 Thread danlist








when they new improved Sr5 (the ones w/ the updated
MMCXs) I noticed a few changes in the way mikrotik behaves with them, I also
seem about a 6dbm improvement in those links as well 



Dan















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Paul Hendry
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.





If it help, we got SR5s as soon as they where
available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP set-up
I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9s back in and
still no change.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Blair Davis
Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10
To: Scott Reed
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.





That makes sense as an explanation for the CM9
issue. Thanks...

Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards

Scott Reed wrote: 

Seems to me there are
posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB. Maybe on P15's MT
maillist. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 
Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. 

 Hey all: 
 
 I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik 
 that I setup to test with. Let me describe the setup... 
 
 The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone. Each end

 has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. 
 
 Using the link calculator at 
 http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm
I get a predicted rx of 
 -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output). Using the
SR5 
 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 
 
 On to the real world results (all reading taken from the
MikroTik's 
 winbox. I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) 
 
 With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin 
 of error. An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's
output 
 power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results.. I know that the

 MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can 
 not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a
like 
 amount. This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and
22Mb/sec 
 in TCP mode 
 
 With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the 
 margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength! An
interesting 
 note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 
 30db to get these results. I know that the MikroTik must be doing 
 something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
 
 Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount. This
link 
 is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. 
 
 Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back 
 again. I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.
The 
 antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the 
 pigtail from one card to the other). 
 
 Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? Or do I just have
some 
 bad SR5 cards? Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?
Or 
 is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? 
 
 BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 
 cards then. Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 
 -- 
 Blair Davis 
 
 AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 
 
 West Michigan Wireless ISP 
 269-686-8648 
 
 A division of: 
 Camp Communication Services, INC 
 
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RE: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.

2006-02-09 Thread danlist








Under advanced status the OLDER (the original sr5
cards) report 15dbm TX Power, while the new cards report 19dbm TX Power



Also the CHIP INFO under General  is different
between the original sr5 cards and the newer SR5 cards (eeprom info)













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5:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.





If it help, we got SR5s as soon as they
where available. When I put them in a real world environment on a StarOS/WRAP
set-up I saw no increase in signal quality on either end. Put the CM9s back in
and still no change.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Blair Davis
Sent: 09 February 2006 20:10
To: Scott Reed
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik
5.8GHz Radio cards and settings.





That makes sense as an explanation for the CM9
issue. Thanks...

Doesn't explain the low output on the SR5 cards

Scott Reed wrote: 

Seems to me there are
posts that the MT setting values do not equate to dB. Maybe on P15's MT
maillist. 

Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
Network Design, Installation and Administration 
www.nwwnet.net 


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Sent: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:07:46 -0500 
Subject: [WISPA] MikroTik 5.8GHz Radio cards and settings. 

 Hey all: 
 
 I'm getting some odd results here with a PtP 5.8GHz link using MikroTik 
 that I setup to test with. Let me describe the setup... 
 
 The link is 7.9 miles with clear LoS and clear Frenel zone. Each end

 has a 27db grid with a 3ft LMR-400 jumper to the MikroTik radio. 
 
 Using the link calculator at 
 http://www.zytrax.com/tech/wireless/calc.htm
I get a predicted rx of 
 -60.8db at each end with CM9 radio cards (17db output). Using the
SR5 
 cards, (400mW), I get a predicted rx of -51.8 
 
 On to the real world results (all reading taken from the
MikroTik's 
 winbox. I am using version 2.9.11 on RouterBoard 230's) 
 
 With the CM9 cards, I get a measured rx of -62db, well within the margin 
 of error. An interesting note here is that I must set the CM9's
output 
 power in the MikroTik at 30db to get these results.. I know that the

 MikroTik must be doing something odd with this setting, as the CM9 can 
 not put out 30db. Reducing the setting drops the rx strenth by a
like 
 amount. This link is stable and will pass 30Mb/sec in UDP and
22Mb/sec 
 in TCP mode 
 
 With the SR5 cards, I get a measured rx of -66db, well outside the 
 margin of error and 15db below the expected rx strength! An
interesting 
 note here is that I must set the SR5's output power in the MikroTik at 
 30db to get these results. I know that the MikroTik must be doing 
 something odd with this setting, as the SR5 should not put out 30db.
 
 Reducing the setting drops the rx strength by a like amount. This
link 
 is stable and will pass 24Mb/sec in UDP and 16Mb/sec in TCP mode. 
 
 Nothing else is changed when I swap the SR5's for the CM9's or back 
 again. I use the same antennas, cables, boards and pigtails.
The 
 antennas and cables are not moved between tests. (except for moving the 
 pigtail from one card to the other). 
 
 Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong here? Or do I just have
some 
 bad SR5 cards? Or is the tx power setting in the MikroTik flakey?
Or 
 is the tx power setting relative db not absolute db? 
 
 BTW, I will be changing one end to a sector and wish to use the SR5 
 cards then. Otherwise I'd be happy with the -62 on the CM9's 
 
 Thanks in advance. 
 
 -- 
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 AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 
 
 West Michigan Wireless ISP 
 269-686-8648 
 
 A division of: 
 Camp Communication Services, INC 
 
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RE: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi

2006-01-27 Thread danlist
Yagi's performance like crap w/ snow and ice on them though

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 Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:42 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
 
 A bit old here  But check out:
 http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm
 There are radiation pattern examples there.  As a general rule I'd have to
 say that yagi's are quite a bit better than grids.
 
 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 
 
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 From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:09 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz Grid vs Yagi
 
 
 
  PacWireless makes a 900Mhz 18 dbi Parabolic grid antenna.
  M2 makes a 900Mhz 17.5 dbi Yagi antenna.
 
  We had found that 900 was very particular to placement, even a few inches
  in one direction or the other can make big differences in link quality.
  Has anyone used both antenna types for a specific link, to compare the
  properties of each of the designs. The thought is whether the wider
  surface area of the parabolic antenna would make it better to survive
  signal obstruction from swaying trees in forests.  The prabolic is a
  monster at 3 ft dia, s othe Yagi would clearly be a better choice for a
  roof top chimney install based on cosmetics.  But wondering from a
  performance perspective the comparison.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Does the 3db SNR still  apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression
that 2X requires 10db



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 Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
 rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
 throughput.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
 necessary
 evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
 on
 and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
 floor
 is fairly high in 5.x around here.
 
 It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
 time
 and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
 that
 does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
 spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
 
 Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
 two
 competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
 and
 we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
 over
 the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
 plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
 about us
 and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
 what
 it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
 sticking
 with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
 customers expect faster and faster connections.
 
 It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
 calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
 based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
 
 Thanks,
 Chadd
 
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 Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
 possibly 5.7 gear.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
 rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
 throughput.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
 necessary
 evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
 on
 and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
 floor
 is fairly high in 5.x around here.
 
 It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
 time
 and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
 that
 does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
 spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
 
 Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
 two
 competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
 and
 we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
 over
 the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
 plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
 about us
 and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
 what
 it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
 sticking
 with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
 customers expect faster and faster connections.
 
 It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
 calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
 based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
 
 Thanks,
 Chadd
 
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 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
 possibly 5.7 gear.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] TRANGO!!

2006-01-18 Thread danlist
Come on... they are lowering prices? Atlas will be $100 for cpe?

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 Of Mac Dearman
 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] TRANGO!!
 
 Whooa  - - I got a phone call yesterday from Trango that made me smile
 all over!
 
 Guys and Gals - - - -- hang on as we are about to enter the Twilight Zone!!
 
 Trango has some news that is gonna make all of us smile deep, long and
 wide!!! I am not at liberty to disclose the info - - but they will in a
 day or two from what I understand. Man its gonna be G R E A T!!
 
 giggling like a little girl
 
 Mac Dearman
 Maximum Access, LLC.
 Authorized Barracuda Reseller
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RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

2006-01-13 Thread danlist
These are PTP wired links - 3 of them combined together - 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 Have you used that backhaul to carry one of your high end business client's
 cisco VPNs?
 Most people don't even know how to detect that packets are getting sent out
 of order, and don't realize bandwidth is being wasted on packet drops.
 The reason is the only way to know is to go into the logs of the end user's
 VPN routers. Cisco VPN gear has some good tools to test the VPN and report
 the loss. It was the tech company of the subscriber, that it brought it to
 our attention and noticed it.  And on $500 a month ARPU subs, if they see
 something like that, it means cancellation, if it can't be resolved. The
 reason is high end customers shoot for 100% not 99.9%. Andwhen things aren't
 perfect, the smarter techs realize that a less than perfect link could
 effect many different things that get troubleshooted over time, so the goal
 is to make it perfect to rule it out from ever being a factor. If fiber can
 make it perfect and wireless can't, wireless goes. That has been my
 experience.
 
 So my question to you is... when you use Mikrotik for Per Packet load
 balancing, does the Mikrotik, just guarantee that the packets arrive in
 order, or does the Mikrotik correct any errors in the packets getting
 received out of order, or are your links lucky to just be capable of
 delivering the packets in order? Technically, if a radio has a buffer or
 queue, its possible for the protocols to re-order the packets so they are
 back in order by the time they leave the other end of the Mikrotik router.
 At a small penalty of latency, re-ordering could be acheived. Its also
 possible that the end user VPN protocols could also already take care of
 that. I don't know enoguh about the VPN venders to know which protocols
 self-correct/guarantee correct packet ordering.
 
 When using the per packet load balancing of theMikrotik, is the Mikrotik
 also the radio, apposed to it be jsut the router connected Ethernet to
 external radios of another brand. Its possible that without Ethernet
 involved in between that they jsut get to the destination in order more
 frequently.
 
 Running per packet load balancing is much more reliable over circuits with
 fixed factors such as wired and fiber connections.  In an RF enviroment its
 a much different situation. There are many factors in RF that can cause a
 packet to get delayed in delivery individually. For example an RF link that
 automatically adjusts modulation when errors occur. Because two RF links may
 transfer at different rates, the packets could arrive at different times.
 
 I did not specify previously, but when mentioning the risk of per packet
 load balancing, I was referring to using it within an RF environment.  And I
 was referring to it being used for loadbalancing for a PtP link.  Load
 balancing per packet between two different ISP transit providers, also could
 result in serious out of order packet problems, thus justifying per session
 load balancing.
 
 A PTP wired link, very well may be a preferred method to use per packet load
 balancing.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:22 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 
 I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I
 currently
  run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with
  VoIP or
  VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices
 
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  Behalf
  Of Tom DeReggi
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
  It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of
  order.
  Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the
  packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet
  loss.
  And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred.
 
  Tom DeReggi
  RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 
   Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be
   able
   to
   load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by
   bonding
   both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have
   done
   this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with
   similar round trip delays. If you 

RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

2006-01-12 Thread danlist
Can mikrotik switch between per packet or per session load balancing?

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 Of Paul Hendry
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able to
 load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by bonding
 both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have done
 this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with
 similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may be
 issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it
 should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an aggregate
 throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if
 multiple streams are flowing.
 
 Cheers,
 
 P.
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: 12 January 2006 19:11
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high
 school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old
 T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both
 connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically
 go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load
 balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs.  I
 would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but
 I do not know how. Your thoughts  and or other suggestions are highly
 appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then
 suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not
 me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave
 their network settings intact.
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RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections

2006-01-12 Thread danlist
I think it depends on the links involved and the remote termination, I currently
run per packet round robin load balance across 3 T1's, no issue's with VoIP or
VPN - of course the remote ends points are the same devices

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 Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:17 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 It important to consider the possibilties of packets arriving out of order.
 Some VPN protocols (deployed by corporate subscribers), will discard the
 packets when they arrive out of order, and is almost as bad as packet loss.
 And VOIP quality can be degrated as well. Per session is preferred.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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 From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:22 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
 
  Running a EoIP tunnel across both the T1 and your link you should be able
  to
  load-balance across both links for incoming and outgoing traffic by
  bonding
  both EoIP interfaces at the customer site and your Mikrotik box. I have
  done
  this in the past but it has been across a couple of wireless links with
  similar round trip delays. If you use per-packet load balancing there may
  be
  issues with packets arriving out of order but if you do it per session it
  should work fine. With per session load balancing you won't get an
  aggregate
  throughput of both links with a single stream but should use both links if
  multiple streams are flowing.
 
  Cheers,
 
  P.
 
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  Behalf Of John Scrivner
  Sent: 12 January 2006 19:11
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  Subject: [WISPA] Redundant Connections
 
  A little feedback from the collective is appreciated here. I have a high
  school who has bought a connection from me but is also stuck with an old
  T1 circuit under contract for the next 3 years. They want both
  connections to be used all the time and for all traffic to automatically
  go through the working connection if one fails. Basically they want load
  balancing and failover. All addresses are nat'd private space IPs.  I
  would think I should be able to do this with Mikrotik and/or Star OS but
  I do not know how. Your thoughts  and or other suggestions are highly
  appreciated. If only failover or only load balance is possible then
  suggestions on that are welcome also. By the way, the T1 provider is not
  me and will likely not work with me unfortunately. We have to leave
  their network settings intact.
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RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-28 Thread danlist
No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point

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 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
 
 Is your wireless network set up to allow roaming? You can't roam with
 fiber
 
 
 John
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ah but what about the new customer  who is comparing FIOS to what I offer?
 FIOS
 will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv )
 
 Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around
 boston,
 ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
 
 It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts!
 
 -B-
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close
 and
 reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the
 
 
 15Mbps
 
 
 for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to
 beat,
 currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer
 
 Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps$34.95 - $39.95
 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps   $44.95 - $49.95
 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps   $179.95 - $199.95
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[WISPA] dual band

2005-12-27 Thread danlist
I'm looking for a dual band  high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz and 5ghz 19db+)
- does such a beast exist?

Thanks

Dan


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[WISPA] verizon fios pricing

2005-12-27 Thread danlist
Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and
reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps
for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat,
currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer

Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 
Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 
Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95


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RE: [WISPA] dual band

2005-12-27 Thread danlist
Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will still
work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower

Dan


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 They're not really dual they're either/or.
 
 One panel to do BOTH would be awesome, but for now nothing of the sort exists,
 save for the dual-pol dishes for use with orthogon,
 etc...
 
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 highest gain i've seen on dual-band is the superpass ones.
 
 http://www.superpass.com/DUAL-GJ.html
 
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 robert maier wrote:
 
  I've only heard of dual polorized, but could be wrong,  we order those
  from Maxrad
 
  */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
  I'm looking for a dual band high gain panel antenna (ie: 2.4ghz
  and 5ghz 19db+)
  - does such a beast exist?
 
  Thanks
 
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RE: [WISPA] dual band

2005-12-27 Thread danlist
Currently I am running separate antennas/radio's/systems on my backhauls (old
karlnet gear) and the new MT/rb532/nstream stuff but I'm looking to find the
best solution :-)

How often do the feedhorns die?

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Looks like I may have to use a dual POL dish (pacwireless makes on) basically
 I'm looking for redundancy, ie: using 2 rb532 so if 1 fails the other will
 still
 work, but only want 1 antenna as pricing is costly on this tower
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 That's a smart move.  And you can buy a spare feedhorn from PacWireless
 in case one dies on ya.
 
 We do this on all our WISP main backhauls.  They are Gabriel of
 Radiowaves instead.
 
 -B-
 
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RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

2005-12-08 Thread danlist
It is a bad situation all around if you can't support your network as units fail
and you can't replace them


One of the benefits of the  WRAP setup is that you could flash the CF card with
new software in the future and not loose your investment

Dan


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 I feel your pain as well.  Same deal here.
 
 WinnCom is still listing the TurboCell licenses for sale.  I will
 confirm availability as soon as my sales guy gets back from lunch.
 
 Rick's WRAP with CF will work as well.  However, if the TurboCell
 licenses are no longer available, I wonder if Rick will be able to
 continue to produce them?
 
 Other possibilities are in the works.
 
 Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet or whoever they are this week annoyed a
 lot of people with this mishandling of the TurboCell software and
 hardware.  Not to mention the callous way they treated the folks at the
 Karlnet offices in Ohio.
 
 Personally, while I will continue to buy TurboCell licenses as long as
 they are available, I will never consider any new
 Terrorbeam/YDI/Proxim/Karlnet products.
 
 We are looking toward Netstream on WRAP or RouterBoard as our long term
 solution.  Others have their own choices for software/hardware.
 
 Planning on doing each conversion of a tower and client equipment over a
 weekend, then reclaiming to old TurboCell equipment for other locations
 on other towers
 
 
 
 Mark Nash wrote:
 
  Hello to the list...
 
  My name is Mark Nash and I own  operate a little WISP of about 300
  customers in Oregon.
 
  For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched
  to Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell.  Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim
  series of mergers  acquisitions happened and I've got products from
  all companies but they are all Turbocell CPE.
 
  We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern
  Willamette Valley).  We're using Trango backhauls...I started out
  using them simply because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth.
  I still have two in use from when the company was called Sunstream (I
  think it was 2002).  I remain happy about that decision.
 
  We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we
  went to a routed design.
 
  OK, so...there it is.  For those of you who know what's going on with
  Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as
  they have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software.  So I
  will soon have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around
  because I won't be able to purchase Turbocell-based devices.  That's
  the word from Proxim. So...anyone heard any differently?  I've also
  asked Proxim if we can 'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b
  and they are saying 'no'.
 
  It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite.
 
  Does anyone feel my pain?  Any way around these issues aside from
  replacing CPE?
 
  Regards,
 
  Mark Nash
  Network Engineer
  UnwiredOnline.Net
  325 Holly Street
  Junction City, OR 97448
  http://www.uwol.net
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
 
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

2005-11-15 Thread danlist
SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code

Dan


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 I use to do this but kept falling of the ladder as the same string was
 attached to both my finger and toe ;)
 
 Grab a spare PC and build a standard FreeBSD box then stick SugarCRM on it
 (it's not that hard to do as I've managed it ;). Once it's set-up you can
 admin it from Windows via the HTML login. Good things about Sugar are that
 it's free, you can put all your customer details in it, change progress
 statuses, email notifications, do salesy things like building a pipeline of
 potential customer revenue, trouble tickets, shared calendars, documentation
 repository, plus loads of other features I haven't had time to play with.
 It's good for when you get other staff so you can keep a track on what they
 are doing.
 
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
 
 I tie strings to my fingers and toes...
 
 Cliff - Work
 985-879-3219
 www.cssla.com
 www.triparish.net
 
 
 
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
 
 We have a full time person that handles customer calls to schedule
 appointments and service calls.
 
 JohnnyO
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:37 PM
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 Subject: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
 
 
 How do ya'll do it?  I used to remember everything, but I am forgetting
 things lately.  Maybe it's old age (i did just turn 22) or maybe the
 work volume has increased past my memory's capacity.  Either way I need
 a solution.  Do I go with a program on the laptop?  Or some kind of
 handheld device.  I don't currently own a handheld, and would be willing
 
 to purchase.  What seems to be most efficient for you all?
 
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

2005-11-15 Thread danlist
SugarCRM charges for the outlook plug, while vtiger gives it away, plus they
have a toolbar for firefox

I have both systems up and running vtiger is what we have chosen to use

If anybody needs to use, I can set you up on your database for either crm
program (vtiger or sugarcrm) - $10 per user

Dan


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 danlist wrote:
 
 SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
 
 Dan
 
 
 SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
 SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can
 access anywhere.
 
 Outlook/PDA works.
 
 Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
 
 There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
 shop, I have a wild idea.
 Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
 A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
 your calls, do your books, etc.
 Better than hiring a full-time person.
 
 Drop me a note if you want more info.
 
 Regards,
 
 Peter
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 We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

2005-11-15 Thread danlist
Perl or php I think

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 What are SugarCRM and Vtiger written in?
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM
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  danlist wrote:
 
 SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
 
 Dan
 
  SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
  SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access
  anywhere.
 
  Outlook/PDA works.
 
  Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
 
  There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
  shop, I have a wild idea.
  Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
  A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
  your calls, do your books, etc.
  Better than hiring a full-time person.
 
  Drop me a note if you want more info.
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
  RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
  We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
  813.963.5884
  http://4isps.com
 
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RE: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

2005-11-15 Thread danlist
Tom,

Good point and its true that these products are generic but with vtiger (and I
assume sugarcrm) you link just about any event/task/project to any type of
lead/account

Dan


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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
 
 These all look cool for Open source of doing what Goldmine or Outlook
 already do, jsut with a few more features. But the problem with these is
 they are not industry specific and are really individual centered.
 
 Managing installtion and sales leads in the WISP industry is much different.
 Each sales lead is a project in itself. (close deal, do pre-qual survey, do
 site cisit survey, get antenna approval from landlord, start install,
 progress on install, order product for install, etc). All leads should come
 to a central queue for all to view and follow up on, and then able to be
 assigned, but still viewed globally. But onced assigned, it should not be
 bulked in with tasks that are truly personal that shouldn't be viewed from
 others.  I believe there are more categories than jsut task, appointment,
 project, etc.   In addition should add, tech support request, installation
 schedule, onsite service schedule, without combining them to the generic
 categories of tasks and appointments.  Where as a true sales appointment
 would ahve different tracking and scheduling needs than an installtion
 appointment, etc.  Thats the problem with these generic type of systems.
 I'd like to see something customized specifically for the processes of a
 WISP.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments
 
 
  danlist wrote:
 
 SugarCRM is good, so is vtiger crm which is based on the sugar crm code
 
 Dan
 
  SugarCRM is the basis for SalesForce.com.
  SugarCRM can be purchased in a hosted per user fashion that you can access
  anywhere.
 
  Outlook/PDA works.
 
  Mozilla has a calendar function. (Project Sunbird as a stand-alone).
 
  There is a lot of groupware / collaboration ware, but as a one-man XP
  shop, I have a wild idea.
  Use a Virtual Assitant (www.assistu.com).
  A VA can take/make your appointments (log them on Yahoo calendar), take
  your calls, do your books, etc.
  Better than hiring a full-time person.
 
  Drop me a note if you want more info.
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
  RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
  We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
  813.963.5884
  http://4isps.com
 
  ISP Expo in Tampa, Dec. 9  10
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[WISPA] self service linux ?

2005-11-11 Thread danlist
Any good recommendations of a linux system that would allow users to provision
email/dns/web/etc?

Thanks

Dan


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[WISPA] service in gulfport

2005-11-10 Thread danlist
Does anybody provide service in Gulfport?

Thanks

Dan

 1 Factory Shops Blvd
 Suite #450
 Gulfport, Mississippi 39503

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RE: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs?

2005-10-27 Thread danlist
What test site?

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 George wrote:
 
  Service is #1 after a person gets on to broadband.
 
  Service is our edge.
 
  George
 
 I just left a new installs house.
 While there his speed test results were saying 3,400 to 4,300k.
 I told the guy, look it's smokin, nobody goes this fast
 He said, yeah man, thats why I got yours, everyone knows your the fastest.
 
 So speed is a great advertizer as well.
 
 Speed # 2.
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532

2005-10-20 Thread danlist
Paul,

Was this turbo mode or standard?

Thanks

Dan


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 UPDATE
 
 Just tested with 2 P4's at each end of a StarVX link running on the 2 port
 WAR (266Mhz CPU). Bi-direction test using TCP, random data (uncompressible)
 shows 35-36mbps in both directions (aggregate throughput of 70-72mbps).
 These figures do not take into account TCP acknowledgements so the real
 throughput is a little higher. The StarVX's report throughput of around
 37-39mbps in both rx and tx.
 
 Many thanks,
 
 P.
 
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
 
 The first tests I did where with a routed topology through 2 StarVX routers
 but these most recent tests is with all interfaces bridged and the StarVX
 client as a wireless client bridge which I believe is based on WDS.
 
 If your asymmetric performance with the RB532's is between 12 and 18mbps I
 wouldn't say your seeing similar performance as I am seeing 40mbps and
 27.7mbps when transmitting and receiving at the same time using random
 (uncompressible) tcp based data.
 
 The tests are based on default packet sizes however, we run M3P (ip packing)
 between the Mikrotiks and when testing with small packets (50-100byte) I see
 the same results. The only problem with M3P is that it adds 15ms of delay in
 each direction under low loads. This means you see pings with a round trip
 time of +30ms. This does however improve when more and more traffic is
 passed over the link as M3P either waits for 1500bytes of traffic or 15ms to
 expire (which ever comes first).
 
 The difference in upload and download speed I have so far put down to one
 system being a 2.4GHz CPU and the other being a 533MHz CPU. Hopefully I can
 test with 2 P4's later today.
 
 Cheers,
 
 P.
 
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Atheros speed WRAP vs RB532
 
 Paul Hendry wrote:
  Managed to scavenge a P4 system together for testing purposes.
 
 Hey, as long as you're doubling as my personal IT lab... :)
 
 My tests so far have just been traditional AP/client mode, and I'm seeing
 the same sort of asymmetrical performance you are. With a pair of RB532s,
 depending on the random-data and packet size settings, I'm floating
 between 12 and 18Mbps. Thing is, I always get better performance with
 traffic going client-to-AP than AP-to-client.
 
 Have you, or will you, test with WDS mode? If you've already done so, are
 you getting better or worse performance that way? (I may or may not be
 able to try that particular setup before I leave for vacation on Friday.
 Probably not, because I've not worked with RouterOS' wireless stuff before
 and I may not be able to figure out how to set it up. :)
 
 Also, are you using the default packet sizes or have you been playing with
 those too? At least in wired network testing I've done before, the real
 worst-case scenario involves using the smallest packets you can get away
 with (because of the extra overhead in packet creation).
 
 David Smith
 MVN.net
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