Re: [WISPA] Measuring broadband shouldn’t be this ha rd.

2009-11-03 Thread reader
The champions of endlessly more free labor for all, for the glorification of 
politicians strike again...



On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:06:12 -0500, Scottie Arnett wrote
 http://telephonyonline.com/commentary/measuring-broadband-not-hard-1012/
 
 If everyone HAD to report 477, and enforced, would it help? I know 
 the enforced part is comical...but what if it wasn't?
 
 Scottie
 
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$30.00/mth.
 Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread reader

The difference between them, as per a conversation on the support forum, is 
actually the chipset in use in the device.   Bullet 2's and Nano's apparently 
simply lack the hardware capability.  



On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:42:54 -0700, Mark Nash wrote
 It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable 
 compression  fast frames,  some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any 
 success stories using the WRT firmware on these products?
 
 It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in 
 the firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
 
 This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products 
 in a big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
 
 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-03 Thread reader
I, too, run Star-OS, and the bullet 2's are approximately 50% of the 
throughput of a staros based cpe when in 11b mode. 

Star-OS has other helpful things like managed mode,  and the signal level 
settings.  I use bullet 2's only when I absolutely have to, due to this.  

Star-OS ap to cpe will endure high levels of interference and multipath, 
without packet loss, but not a bullet.  



On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:32:28 -0400, RickG wrote
 Mark,
 
 It appears that is correct. I also run StarOS AP's. Interesting
 though, I have not seen any performance differences between the units
 with ff  comp and those that dont support it. I wonder if its just
 something you cant view?
 
 -RickG
 
 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mark Nashmarkl...@uwol.net wrote:
  According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff  comp:
 
  Nanostation 5
  Nanostation Loco 5
  Bullet 2 HP
  Picostation 2 HP
  All powerstations
 
  All others do not, including:
 
  Nanostation 2
  Nanostation Loco 2
  Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???)
  Bullet5
 
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  78 Centennial Loop
  Suite E
  Eugene, OR 97401
  541-998-
  541-998-5599 fax
  http://www.unwiredwest.com
  - Original Message -
  From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
 
 
 I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key.
  Not sure about OpenWRT.
  I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and
  comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out.
 
  Ralph
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Mark Nash
  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:43 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG
 
  It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression 
  fast
  frames,  some don't.  Is this accurate?  Any success stories using the
  WRT
  firmware on these products?
 
  It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the
  firmware unless you purchase the higher end, more expensive products.
 
  This seems to be the ONLY thing keeping me from using these products in a
  big way as opposed to what I use now, StarOS.
 
  Mark Nash
  UnwiredWest
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  Suite E
  Eugene, OR 97401
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[WISPA] does anyone have Alix 1D boards?

2009-08-02 Thread reader
I am desperately in need of finding a couple of ALIX 1D boards. 

These are the mini itx form factor, with 1 pci slot, and a 12V power supply 
onboard. 





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Re: [WISPA] stimulus money for wind farms to build wireless

2009-07-20 Thread reader
I am currently supplying internet to a couple wind farm construction 
projects.

These projects have no use for wireless otherwise, since they wish to bury 
fiber in the same routes as the power cabling.   The management system will 
be agreggated in a small hut and then they want fiber to that point, and if 
not fiber,  solid copper to the hut from the outside world.

I'm not sure that this applies to all wind farm companies.This one seems 
to throw money far and wide with little regard for costs, and then hired a 
management company to squeeze the contractors. In other words, they're 
generous with the locals, but will do near anything to cheat the 
contractors.   Seems counterproductive, but, hey, that's just the 
contractor's word on the topic.





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- Original Message - 
From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] stimulus money for wind farms to build wireless


I recently met someone who told me that wind farm projects are awesome
 wireless opportunities, particularly now that they're becoming eligible
 for stimulus money.

 Those I've been talking to from the wind farms say that they're looking
 for something fast, reliable, and cheaper than fiber, particularly
 something that will support VoIP for technicians in the field.

 Is this what others in the WISP market are seeing?

 (This is a vertical that I know very little about, but I thought I'd
 share it with others here who might be looking for new business.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-07-13 Thread reader
I use a something called ASSP, which is Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy.

Not foolproof, completely, but highly configurable, the system learns from 
the spam reports sent to it reasonably well, and cuts our spam down by at 
least 95-98%.

Oh, and it's free.

I run it on spare hardware I had lying around.   Doesn't seem to be CPU 
intensive, and not all that hard to get working.

I actually have my email hosted elsewhere (outsourcd) but by using firewall 
rules and DNS entries, all incoming and most outgoing mail runs through it.




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- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution


 2009/7/13 Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com:
 2009/7/13 Don Grossman d...@willitsonline.com:
 It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we
 are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the
 box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be
 resolved. Barracuda is helpful but like to point at other things like
 DNS and unrelated stuff. In the end they log into the box after
 wasting time so something to kick the box and we are good for an
 undetermined amount of time.

 The Barracuda gives us a few features that we like such as an in house
 box that we are not paying per email address or domain. Also the per
 user configurability is great for letting users independently control
 their white and blacklists.

 In a nutshell what products should we look at that offer us similar
 features as the Barracuda box.

 You can roll your own with Postfix and a few addons. After looking at
 the configuration options for a lot of the Postfix addons, you come to
 the realization that with a few hours of work, you can have all of the
 software tools used by the Barracuda internally, and have root access
 to the box to fix it yourself when it goes south, instead of waiting
 on them. You can also throw in things like redundant hard drives, and
 redundant power. How a company can market a $3k+ device with a single
 IDE drive in good conscience is beyond me.

 I can't find the link right now, but there is a package that provides
 users with an accessible, configurable quarantine, just like the
 Barracuda. I'll post the link as soon as it turns up.


 http://www.maiamailguard.com/maia/wiki
 http://mailgraph.schweikert.ch/
 http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/queuegraph/
 http://www.logreport.org/
 http://pfqueue.sourceforge.net/
 http://www.policyd.org/tiki-index.php


 
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[WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas

2009-07-08 Thread reader
What are people using for 3.65ghz antennas?

I'm seeing rather poor performance from my Arc Wireless 18db panels.The 
signal vs distance isn't coming out anywhere close to right.   That is the 
specified antenna type and gain for the certification, but the RSSI is far 
weaker than it should be.







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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas

2009-07-08 Thread reader
I'm using the ubnt cards and the arc wireless panels that mount directly to 
the genII enclosure.

I don't recall the precise amount off, but if memory serves it is about 5 or 
6 db, and I've been to both ends and aimed, reaimed, etc.   All the stuff, 
including piggy's are new...





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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz antennas


 Hi,

 I have about 10 of the ARC wireless 3.65ghz 18db panels installed. All
 of them are within the path calcs (and the last point to point link was
 actually 6db better than the path calc).

 What are the specs of the radio card, distance, etc.?

 Travis
 Microserv

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 What are people using for 3.65ghz antennas?

 I'm seeing rather poor performance from my Arc Wireless 18db panels. 
 The
 signal vs distance isn't coming out anywhere close to right.   That is 
 the
 specified antenna type and gain for the certification, but the RSSI is 
 far
 weaker than it should be.






 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-06-26 Thread reader
One of the things I've done in the spam war is to use something called ASSP, 
which is just Anti Spam SMTP Proxy.

It does a passable job of prevening inbound spam, and it prevents anyone not 
on my network from sending mail out through my server, via firewall rules 
put on the server.

You can use a similar setup to have your customer's emails filtered outbound 
through something like this.It can also be placed on alternate ports and 
using firewall rules, prevent any cust omer from sending mail directly out.

I haven't needed to do that, at least not yet.

ASSP, when run on the mail server machine itself, can also act as an 
authentication and filtering of outbound emails.





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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff


 Hi All,

 What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's
 reliability, ease of use etc.

 Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't 
 catch
 things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This 
 has
 now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

 My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to
 limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang 
 off
 the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

 The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to
 40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply
 address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not 
 even
 mine (faked info).  sigh

 We use Courier MTA.

 My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day 
 per
 user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of 
 messages
 received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all 
 those
 sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from
 the server admins.

 Suggestions?

 laters,
 marlon



 
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Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather

2009-06-11 Thread reader
I thought I was alone...   I would not have believed that I could have a 
customer who's had a computer for a long time, and used them at work, and 
when I asked if she could reboot it, she had no idea what I meant.

We finally found that her putting her MAC into sleep mode resulted in no 
connection when it woke up.No idea why.   She now shuts it down at 
night.





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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crazy Weather


 yeesh...  I had a guy call today.  Asked him to reboot his computer.  He
 said that he did.  When we asked him are you sure you rebooted your
 computer, he asked how to I do that?.

 This business would be great if it weren't for the customers, sometimes. 
 ;)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:30 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Crazy Weather


 This isn't weather related, but we had an interesting tech call the other
 day.



 The customer said he had Dark Internet, the technician, curious to why he
 called it Dark Internet asked what he meant.  He said he only has 
 Internet
 when it is dark out.  Well, this call was made during the day and
 obviously
 his Internet was not working at the time.  The technician could not see
 the
 client radio from the AP so he had him check the power supply and POE.
 The
 customer said it was plugged into the wall but there was no light on the
 POE.  While troubleshooting, the customer said I can't see what I am
 doing,
 I need to turn on the lights.  Miraculously, when he turned on the light
 switch, the POE light came on and his Internet service started working
 again.



 Imagine that!



 Rick Harnish



 From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:27 PM
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group
 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather



 This has been the wettest spring in memory here west of Chicago.  Some of
 the farmers still have not been able to work their fields because they 
 are
 too wet.  That makes them over a month late to plant, it's getting to
 where
 it will be too late to plant anything in those fields.  Not the usual
 crops
 of field or soybeans.  They are starting to talk sweet corn or limas.  I
 guess they could always plant hay.  Our biggest business customer is a
 fertilizer dealer and they don't know day to day what things will be 
 like,
 if it rains the farmers don't spread fertilizer, if it is dry for a 
 couple
 days then they can't handle all the orders.  They do all the custom
 fertilizer mixing via VPN to a central application server.  I was just 
 out
 to a location where their PIX501 stopped talking to the Canopy SM, I
 finally
 had to put a switch inbetween.  Not a negotiation problem, just plain
 strange.



 Unfortunately lightning and tornados are not limited to spring.  The last
 few years we have been hit in June/July, even a really bad lightning 
 storm
 at Christmas time.  We have had tornados and microbursts that have picked
 up
 silos and dropped them on the opposite side of a barn.



 The storm a couple days ago I had one customer router blow, and one old
 Tranzeo radio.



 I also had a customer call today because they went to Florida for the
 month
 of March, they have been back since the beginning of April, and their
 Internet has not worked since then.  I actually left a phone message for
 them in April, they are an older couple anb honestly I was worried they
 had
 died or something.  Oddly, another Tranzeo customer.  All they had to do
 was
 power cycle the radio.  But waiting 2.5 months before calling?



 - Original Message - 

 From: Steve D mailto:bigd...@gmail.com

 To: Motorola Canopy mailto:motor...@wispa.org  User Group

 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:10 PM

 Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Crazy Weather



 As I was reading this very thread, the first big boom of thunder of the
 year
 shook my office!

 -Steve D



 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com
 wrote:

 That sounds like an average afternoon here in Central Florida. We dread
 the
 season. Fortunately today has been rather calm..so far.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida#Climate

 Florida's nickname is the Sunshine State, but severe weather is a
 common
 occurrence in the state. Central Florida is known as the lightning 
 capital
 of the United States, as it experiences more lightning strikes than
 anywhere
 else in the country.

 L

 Dylan

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 Behalf Of Doug Clark
 Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:52 PM
 To: Motorola 

Re: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE

2009-06-05 Thread reader
I'm a little under that, not by any great amount.

Mine's star-os, ubiqiti radios, and small yagi.We also have labor on top 
of our cash price, but last I checked, we were about 265 for 900 cpe.



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- Original Message - 
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Cost of 900 MHZ CPE


I am curious if anyone can tell me the technical reason why 900MHZ has
 no reasonable cost CPE.  Here I am paying $70 for CPE on 2.4 gear, $90
 for 5.8 but the best price I can find is $290 for 900 MHZ.  Just curious
 as to why?

 Forbes


 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP

2009-06-03 Thread reader
How could you?   They had no redeeming qualities when new :)

Of course, there's really nothing to say about a Poulan or Echo, either, 
other than they look cute in catalogs :)

BTW, what's the farthest distance any of you have gotten through forest 
with 900mhz?





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- Original Message - 
From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 900 PtP


I like my 30 year old Johnsred...

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 LOL

 I don't have a Stihl.  I have a Pulan and an Echo though!  hehehehe

 It would sure be nice to be able to do that!
 marlon





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Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?

2009-05-27 Thread reader
Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :)

Water inside froze and split it open.

The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding 
me up :)





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- Original Message - 
From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible?


 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420
 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418

 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space
 on.  Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture
 developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew
 out.  My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no
 hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally.

 In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the
 lower-48 for a few months.  Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing
 this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)?

 -- 
 Randy Cosby
 Vice President
 InfoWest, Inc

 work: 435-773-6071
 email: rco...@infowest.com

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[WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I 
mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal 
normal windy spring day.

We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of 
failure.

And found none.   No rust, no breaks, no corrosion,  nothing.

And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had 
burnt themselves up, as well.

A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there.

All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions 
that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm 
then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof 
damage.  Fields migrated across roads.   RV's tipped over.  parked Semis 
tipped over.  metal buildings exploded.   Wind velocities at the normal 
stations set records.   individual weather stations recorded high hurricane 
velocities.

But our tower didn't bend or even show damage.

But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it 
to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the 
advice of the maker of the generator.   They insisted that wind loading was 
within 1% of the original.

So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back 
from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty).

I love a mystery.NOT.







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Re: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report

2009-05-27 Thread reader
I took a little time to scan the report, and have a couple of 
observations...

1.  The FCC is expending great efforts at marginally effective ideas.
2.  A lot of attention was paid to middle mile and rural deployments, but 
missed the largest single issue, at least as it applies out west - that 
public land is inaccessible.   Every mountain in rural Oregon, the places 
you'd need to put repeaters or infrastructure to create that cost effective 
transport, is publicly owned, and both state and federal are financially and 
otherwise inaccessible.   Much was made of travel concerns, and while 
valid, they're not half the obstruction that regulations, cost, and flat out 
prohibitions are.We could get there on 4 wheelers, horses, or 
snowmobiles if need be.  What we can't do, is use the locations needed.   I 
know this extremely well, as I've been stymied for 2 years trying to reach a 
major chunk of unserved population.
3.  The obstructions that individual WISP's face, at least, probably vary as 
much as there are individual WISP's, or at least WISP's attempting to serve 
each specific market.Much of the efforts made these days on behalf of 
WISP's seem to target a narrow demographic, the large metropolitan model. 
This works at cross purposes, or at least, without effect, at promoting 
rural broadband development.

I dunno about you, but after reading the document for a relatively short 
period of time, my eyes tend to glaze over and attention wanders.   Is it 
ADD or these kinds of things just... boring?   :)





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- Original Message - 
From: Ron Harden rhar...@voxcorp.net
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report


 FYI...Ron



 -Original Message-
 From: Karen Reidy [mailto:kre...@comptel.org]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:36 PM
 To: Karen Reidy
 Subject: FCC Rural Broadband report


 Dear Members:  Below is the link to the FCC's Rural Broadband Strategy
 Report that was released today.


 http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291012A1.pdf






 
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Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors

2009-05-27 Thread reader
HHFFF...

You mean this magic secret society decoder ring is worthless?

I dunno if I've been wiser or dumber, but anyone who requires me to give 
them every detail about me before they'll tell me about their product has 
NEVER had the chance to sell it to me.

I get some of the same stuff you apparently get, and have nearly the same 
reaction.   If you want me to invest lots of my time on decisions I already 
know how to make, then you're just out of luck.

I second your notion.

Vendors:   Tell me what it does.   Tell me what it costs.   Tell me how it 
does it.  And then tell me why I'd want to buy from you rather than the 
other guy.

Be direct, concise, accurate.   Don't waste my time.   I'll do my best to 
not waste yours.

Deal?





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- Original Message - 
From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] clues for vendors


 Names have been changed to protect the ignorant.

 I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless
 equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just
 don't get it.

 I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax
 Partner from one vendor or another.  Apparently, without becoming a
 Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products
 (like price).  I can read through their  marketing  fluff on their web
 site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some
 require partnership registration to even do this).  In order to become a
 partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing
 fluff pushed at me.

 Just give me the meat.  I pretty much know what I can get Canopy,
 Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for.  I can freely read forums on many
 of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to
 invest.  I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to
 push his spiffed products on me.  I can ask for information if I need
 it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better
 discounts after I narrow my choices down.

 To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least
 twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that
 company as a vendor vs another.  I got one call from a marketing guy (
 who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone
 calls with specific questions about the products.  Guess I wasn't
 worthy of their time or partnership.

 Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us
 scrutinize them and compare stories.  I'll never buy your products
 otherwise.  I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the
 information I need to make sound business decisions.

 Am I alone?

 -- 
 Randy Cosby
 Vice President
 InfoWest, Inc

 work: 435-773-6071
 email: rco...@infowest.com

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Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
No, nothing like that.   The generator had purely electrical failure, and 
was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, 
no matter the wind.

I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower 
failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger.   Well, when it 
gets back, that is.







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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...


 Was the generator shaft seized?  Variable pitch blades locked at the
 shallowest position?


 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I
 mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very 
 normal
 normal windy spring day.

 We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause 
 of
 failure.

 And found none.   No rust, no breaks, no corrosion,  nothing.

 And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics 
 had
 burnt themselves up, as well.

 A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there.

 All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak 
 conditions
 that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm
 then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof
 damage.  Fields migrated across roads.   RV's tipped over.  parked Semis
 tipped over.  metal buildings exploded.   Wind velocities at the normal
 stations set records.   individual weather stations recorded high 
 hurricane
 velocities.

 But our tower didn't bend or even show damage.

 But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused 
 it
 to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the
 advice of the maker of the generator.   They insisted that wind loading 
 was
 within 1% of the original.

 So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets 
 back
 from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty).

 I love a mystery.NOT.






 
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Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...

2009-05-27 Thread reader
But the generator is and always has been stalled during wind storms. 
Nothing's changed, in that regard.

This is why we're mystified.



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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...


 Ah. Was the generator shaft spinning freely during the last two
 windstorms? A stalled (or nearly stalled ~ 15 RPM) rotor will present a
 much higher wind load to the tower than a freewheeling one will...

 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 No, nothing like that.   The generator had purely electrical failure, and
 was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 
 rpm,
 no matter the wind.

 I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the 
 tower
 failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger.   Well, when it
 gets back, that is.






 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...


 Was the generator shaft seized?  Variable pitch blades locked at the
 shallowest position?


 Patrick Shoemaker
 Vector Data Systems LLC
 shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
 office: (301) 358-1690 x36
 http://www.vectordatasystems.com


 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and 
 I
 mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very
 normal
 normal windy spring day.

 We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the 
 cause
 of
 failure.

 And found none.   No rust, no breaks, no corrosion,  nothing.

 And found while it was down, that the generator windings and 
 electronics
 had
 burnt themselves up, as well.

 A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there.

 All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak
 conditions
 that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The 
 storm
 then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant 
 roof
 damage.  Fields migrated across roads.   RV's tipped over.  parked 
 Semis
 tipped over.  metal buildings exploded.   Wind velocities at the normal
 stations set records.   individual weather stations recorded high
 hurricane
 velocities.

 But our tower didn't bend or even show damage.

 But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, 
 caused
 it
 to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on 
 the
 advice of the maker of the generator.   They insisted that wind loading
 was
 within 1% of the original.

 So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets
 back
 from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty).

 I love a mystery.NOT.






 
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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-25 Thread reader
Charles, you really should investigate the business sizes out there.

Without doing any research today, I'd say there were more  one man band  
businesses out there than any other type, unless you're going to lump a lot 
of types together, like all the 2-100 employee businesses.

And there's a lot of 2-10 people businesses, as well.

How does a one man band work?   Hard.   And he often serves people who are 
engaged in similar enterprise.   It isn't suited to all, nor even a majority 
of people, the small sector ( 1 - 10 people ) is probably the most resilient 
and dynamic of all business models out there.





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- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability


 Hi Rick,

 I applaud your effort -- I totally emphasize and understand your 
 perspective, as 8 years ago, I was a one man shop working out of my 
 college dorm room trying to get a business started

 There is an unfortunate reality that the one-man band is not a sustainable 
 long-term operation -- for example, how will you ever go on a vacation? Or 
 spend quality time with the wife without the ever-present threat / fear 
 that lightening may strike...somewhere





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Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread reader
How about we tell them that it is absolutely none of their freaking 
business...

Politely, of course.





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- Original Message - 
From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; motor...@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps


 Supposedly you cannot throttle p2p and now there trying to say you cannot
 impose download caps as well.

 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/congressman-to/#previouspost

 Perhaps this should be amended to include utilities such as water, 
 electric,
 gas, telephone and etc.

 Wispa really should officially comment on this bill.

 Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread reader
Answers in-line.



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- Original Message - 
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:49 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability


 With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been 
 approached by a multitude of third party financial organizations that have 
 a renewed interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now, 
 specifically, for WISPs, in the past, equipment leasing has been a very 
 popular option for financing, but in looking at our numbers over the past 
 year, I've noticed a marked decline in the amount of leasing that we do - 
 that said, I have the following questions for the listserv about financing

 Assuming that WISPs are still need to buy equipment...

 1. Are you able to just purchase equipment out of cash-flow organically 
 generated from operations

Other than originally starting with our own personal seed money, that's what 
we've done.

 2. Have you gone to more traditional forms of money (e.g., bank / SBA / 
 RUS loans)?

I could not qualify for any of them.

 3. Are you doing more vendor leasing programs (e.g., Motorola 3% financing 
 deal)

Never sought any.

 4. Have you not been able to borrow money due to the credit crunch (e.g., 
 not deploying as aggressively)

My corporation hasn't ever been able to obtain hard money credit.In 
fact, the credit crunch start last Fall raised my 30+ day past due 
amount from a piddly $1200 to at one time to almost $13,000 in just four 
months.   That almost put us under, and we're still barely scraping by until 
our seasonally variable cash flow revives come August, with still several 
thousand on the books that's very slowly getting chipped away at.

 5. Are you holding off on deployments because of the economy

No, we're holding off due to lack of cash flow.   We have plenty of people 
waiting for us to build infrastructure out to them.

 6. Have you gone to Agility...cough Louie the loanshark =)

After much discussion, being some of the first people Agility contacted, we 
have not done any business with them.   In my estimation, they wanted 
control over our business and day to day decisions, which we concluded was 
both unwarranted and unwise.


 Or any other thoughts / comments on this topic?


WISP equipment is not really a commodity in that there is almost no market 
for it outside of the maker-vendor relationship.  Other than Ebay, and a 
couple of people who attempt to do it piecemeal, there is no market which 
stabilizes the value of used equipment, making them a commodity you can 
borrow against.

Perhaps it would be more useful, if vendors had the ability to get capital 
and create stable working and short term credit relationships with their 
buyers, kind of like the used car market.



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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

2009-05-13 Thread reader
wow, this argument AGAIN?

Let's look at this closely...UBNT certified the XR3 - 3.7 as a 
standalone module, and the FCC accepts their certification NO MATTER WHAT OS 
OR DRIVERS CONTROL IT because it has been proven to not radiate outside of 
the designated frequencies.I hold the license to prove it.   It did not 
require their board, or ANYONE's specific board to be licensed.

They have a specified antenna that's certified with the XR3 card.The FCC 
actually issues licenses to anyone to use the card with any BOARD that is 
already fcc accepted.

This discussion was had a while back, when the FCC announced that MODULAR 
CERTIFICATION WAS NOW ACCEPTABLE.

Your simple requirement is to sticker whatever you build with the following 
notice:   This device contains ( fcc cert number for any modular approved 
radio).This contravenes MUCH of what was said previous to that point, 
and manufacturers such as Compex and UBNT have exploited it wholesale. 
Valemount got their own cert number for Lucaya branded equipment, and they 
merely filed that xxx contains previously certified  and it isn't 
changed, blah blah, and got their own cert number WITH NO LAB TESTING 
WHATSOEVER.   A little research at the FCC website will confirm that they 
merely used compex's own cert to get their own.I suspect it cost them 
nothing but whatever filing fees the FCC may or may not have.

To better that, Compex actually certified their boards and radios with NO 
enclosure, and it states in the grant that no shielding is required to meet 
emissions limits, therefore the enclosure is irrelevant to compliance. 
Thus the customer can place ANY minipci or full board+minipci into any 
enclosure and it strictly is compliant, so long as the stated antenna is 
used.

Now, please note, that Compex and UBNT sticker t heir products with the 
modular FCC approval.   Last time I saw a picture of a MT R52 it did NOT 
have such a sticker and it appears to not be modular certified, but rather 
system certified.Thus, Mikrotik can choose to extend their cert to 
you... or not.  as they see fit.   UBNT and Compex literally gave it away by 
modular cert and printing the device with all the required information.

This means you can use valemount's boards and the radios in your own 
enclosure using the Compex modular approval ( contains blah blah stickered 
on the outside) or you can use it in Valemount's box w/their number on it.

Now, I'm not professing to be a lawyer or FCC expert.  I'm merely observing 
what they have done and how it has been widely implemented.   Want to argue 
with it?   Don't argue with me, argue with the FCC who has done it with eyes 
wide open.






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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC


 Lets not forget the rules may not be the same depending on what type
 certification one is looking for.

 If Mikrotik got a part B certification for the hardware board, and MT 
 makes
 the hardware board, its irrelevent where an end user buys the board,
 Mikrotik is responsible for the certification that they had gotten for 
 their
 hardware.

 However, for wireless system certifications (forget technical name of 
 type)
 its a different story. The software, hardware, and RF have to all get
 certified togeather.
 And it was clear their had to be a responisble party aka the
 manufacturer. So certifying a combination yourself would make yourself 
 the
 manufacturer.
 Can one be, without any control of the software code writing? I would 
 think
 an authroized distributor would gain Mikrotik's endorsement for gaining 
 such
 support.
 But does the FCC require it or allow it, considering intelectual property
 considerations?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC


 Yes, you can not certify the radios, MT wants the distributors to build
 and certify them.  If you build them, they won't be certified.

 --
 * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/

 */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/*



 Scott Carullo wrote:
 I'm pretty sure the FCC and the testing labs don't care who you are or
 where you buy your stuff...  thats not what they are looking for.
 Example
 - I choose to take 4 parts (some mikrotik) and get them certified - I
 can  Do 

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC

2009-05-13 Thread reader
Nonsense, Matt.

Read the grant yourself.   The grant is MODULAR certification, meaning you 
can use the module in any way you choose, so long as you lable the device as 
containing blah blah and comply with the antenna rules.   This is very 
explicitly true.

I believe that UBNT has written correspondence from the FCC on this.

I know someone has, I've seen it and read it.





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- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC



 On May 12, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:


 Ok...  so back to original dilemma...

 I take a XR5, the precise antenna they certified with this radio
 card, a
 RB411 and hook it all up and use it myself within FCC RF guidelines.

 Criminal or law abiding citizen...

 Neither, but you would be in violation of the FCC regulations and be
 subject to civil penalties.

 Think about this like tax law. Imagine someone makes a great case
 about how you can avoid taxes legally by doing a certain thing. You
 may believe the person and the person's reasons may seem perfectly
 logical. However, would it be smart to follow them? Probably not
 without signoff from a CPA and/or tax attorney.

 -Matt


 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things

2009-05-08 Thread reader
You don't have to these days.   Those ads are being attached to more and 
more NOT PORNO sites.

One of my favorite car sites has gone to side banners, there's several of 
them, and all are advertising female something or other :(





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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things


 Gary,

 Why are you looking at those ads? :)

 On 5/8/09, Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net wrote:
 Its your IP address. The same way the Porno ads show you all those
 fantastic looking women in Naples Idaho.
 Hell I have lived here 35 years and if even one of them really lived
 here I would have hit on them long ago!!!

 It is not hard to reverse lookup in-addr.arpa records or cross reference
   the swip database.

 Big brother is watching, if these spammers can do this think what the
 Federales can do.



 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 OK, this seems simple enough.  Type in www.aaa.com and go to the triple 
 A
 site right?

 Nope, it somehow knows that I'm in zip code 99159 and sends me,
 automatically to www.aaawa.com!
 How in the world is a web site finding this info in my machine?  Where 
 the

 heck is it stored?  How do I make it stop?



 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things

2009-05-08 Thread reader
I just realized you said Naples.I wasn't aware that there was actually 
any women that lived there.

Ok, change that to people.

LOL!   JUST KIDDING!

Ok, so I used to live in an less populated area...  Up the Yaak River 
Road...  36 miles from Highway 2 to my driveway...   Of course, Google maps 
actually SHOWS Yaak on it, but back then, even the state highway maps 
didn't :)






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From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things


 Its your IP address. The same way the Porno ads show you all those
 fantastic looking women in Naples Idaho.
 Hell I have lived here 35 years and if even one of them really lived
 here I would have hit on them long ago!!!

 It is not hard to reverse lookup in-addr.arpa records or cross reference
  the swip database.

 Big brother is watching, if these spammers can do this think what the
 Federales can do.



 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 OK, this seems simple enough.  Type in www.aaa.com and go to the triple A
 site right?

 Nope, it somehow knows that I'm in zip code 99159 and sends me,
 automatically to www.aaawa.com!
 How in the world is a web site finding this info in my machine?  Where 
 the
 heck is it stored?  How do I make it stop?



 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things

2009-05-08 Thread reader
LOL @ logger boots.   Find me ANYONE wearing a pair of those old spiked 
boots...

Yeah,  I know the area.   Lived just across the ID-MT border for a few 
years.





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From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, IE is allowing strange things


 The women who live here wear logger boots. Kinda sexy if you ask me!
 Funny thing is when I see the same ad from my office there is the same
 girls only now they live in Sandpoint. No wonder I never met them,
 they are always on the highway moving from town to town...

 Targeted advertising is the future of the Internet. Point the guy with
 the PDA cellphone to your customers Coffee shop right around the corner.
 Add a picture of the great looking waitress and suddenly coffee is
 necessary! Hot Joe served by Hot Jolene and he is there!



 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I just realized you said Naples.I wasn't aware that there was 
 actually
 any women that lived there.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs

2009-05-04 Thread reader
I've had moderate success just making a personal visit to see how the people 
are doing.

If they're out of a job and no income, we cut the bandwidth way down and 
suspend billing for a while.   If internet can help them get a job, then 
it's in our interest to do this.

Generally, we have pretty good success with a personal visit.   I'm not 
confrontational, but explain that we really do expect to be paid and the 
customer's generally pretty good at paying when they see it as a matter of 
personal importance.

Other than that, we've not found that notes, or emails works well.





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From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
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Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Handling Non-paying Subs


 I've got a few non-paying subs, that we would like to get payment on.
 It has reached over $1k from 4 subs over the past 6 months.  Do you just
 cut your losses and move on or what do you do?  I'm contemplating small
 claims court as it should be an open and shut case, but it's $91 in fees
 per person.  We've done the collection letter and it hasn't worked.



 We got the please don't turn it off, I'm coming to pay...and it never
 happened.





 Regards,

 Chuck Hogg

 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com

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Re: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?

2009-04-23 Thread reader
We've not had any losses like this, but we ask the customer to claim the 
equipment on insurance, in case of catastrophic loss, and we'll invoice them 
for that equipment to claim from the insurance.

As far as the contract for the service goes, we would never dream of trying 
to force payment on that.   We'll do anything we can to help out the 
customer, including temporary service to somewhere else, etc, to help them 
get back on their feet.   Goodwill can be bought for far less than the cash 
you might lose, and it generally has gotten us referrals for new customers. 
Us going the extra mile for a leaving customer has gotten us multiple 
customers in return.





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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: [WISPA] How does a WISP respond to this situation?




 We have a business customer that is about six months into their one year
 agreement.  Yesterday they had a fire that gutted their entire building,
 including their rooftop with our equipment.



 The customer may or may not go back into business and if they do they may 
 or
 may not be in our service area.



 We own our equipment, so it is not the customers.



 The insurance adjusters will be there tomorrow to value the damage.



 Am I owed the balance of the contract?  Am I owed the cost of my 
 equipment?





 Thanks,

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 http://missouriruralwireless.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com

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Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Mimo in OEM systems

2009-04-21 Thread reader
This came up in the other forums, and the general consensus is that the 
drivers, even from the makers of the chipsets, are sorely weak.   There's 
not good support even from UBNT, who sells them.MT and Star-OS do not 
and will not have drivers for some time.




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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Outdoor Mimo in OEM systems


 Looks like the new MIMO (a,g,n)  SR71-A Ubiquiti card is now shipping for
 around $130.

 Anyone use it yet for Mikrotik or StarOS ?
 Any advice for Antenna placement, to maximize MIMO benefits.
 Seems like it might be a no-brainer to have one of these in every AP soon.
 (A step up from just diversity)

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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

2009-04-06 Thread reader
In case you didn't read the first article...  here's a bit...

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 introduced in the Senate would allow the 
president to shut down private Internet networks. The legislation also calls 
for the government to have the authority to demand security data from 
private networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule or 
policy restricting such access.

The headlines were all about creating a national cyber-security czar 
reporting directly to the president, but the Cybersecurity Act of 2009 
introduced April 1 in the U.S. Senate would also give the president 
unprecedented authority over private-sector Internet services, applications 
and software.

According to the bill's language, the president would have broad authority 
to designate various private networks as a critical infrastructure system 
or network and, with no other review, may declare a cyber-security 
emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and 
from the designated the private-sector system or network.

The 51-page bill does not define what private sector networks would be 
considered critical to the nation's security, but the Center for Democracy 
and Technology fears it could include communications networks in addition to 
the more traditional security concerns over the financial and transportation 
networks and the electrical grid.



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Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...


 On 4/6/2009 8:23 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
 they'll also be checking instant verification on

 Did you pass Emissions?

 Out here in California, the state of the bazaar, it's already happened.
  Not everywhere, but like sobriety checks, at random places.  They call
 it Smog Check II or something like that.  I've driven through a couple
 of them.

 They put gas analyzers on tripods at the on-ramps to the freeways.  As
 you drive through, it analyzes your emissions and shoots a pic of your
 license plate if you're out of spec.

 Swell.

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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

2009-04-06 Thread reader
This one's just as nuts...  from e-week...:

Proposed legislation would put authority over the security of government and 
private networks in the hands of officials reporting to the President.

President Obama promised in his campaign to take cybersecurity seriously and 
he appears to be following up on that promise. Legislation just introduced 
in the Senate, written with White House input according to the Washington 
Post, would federalize the business of computer security. It would give 
White House officials the power to shut off private networks, decide what 
products could be used for security and set rules for who could practice 
computer security.

The legislation is actually in two bills, S.773 and S.778. The titles of the 
bills are:

S.773A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the 
United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber 
communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of 
the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for 
the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve 
and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for 
other purposes.

and

S.778A bill to establish, within the Executive Office of the President, 
the Office of National Cybersecurity Advisor.

I couldn't find the actual text of the legislation yet, but there is a short 
PDF describing it in press release language. Of course such documents are no 
substitute for examining the actual text.

+++

Now, what exactly it means is unclear, but to federalize computer security 
is just one more means of demanding a backdoor into your network, computers, 
and systems by and to the feds.

Clinton wanted it, and people got up in arms.   This has gotten zero press.




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Re: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?

2009-04-03 Thread reader
There's a bunch of that stuff up here in Eastern Oregon and Southeast 
Washington, too.

I have no idea what's still active and what's not.



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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Resurrect old Microwave paths back to cheaper bandwidth?


I've been working on a consolidated map of the fiber available around
 the country and was thinking about who would have infrastructure that 
 would
 be worth showing. As I was thinking it occurred to me that back in the day
 fiber did not exist, Ma Bell did everything on microwave. So I dug around
 the internet and found some interesting old maps. One is the old ATT long
 lines microwave network and the other is the old Western Union network.
If a few WISP's wanted to get together and start rebuilding these paths
 from their areas back to a big city, the towers are mostly still in place
 and some of them still have the dishes. We know the paths exist (many of
 them were 6 GHz) and they are well documented for the original designs on
 the net. American Tower owns many of the olds sites now so it should be 
 easy
 to lease the space. The paths all terminate in major telecom hubs so it
 should be easy to get bandwidth.
Just thought I would put these out there as food for thought for the
 WISP's who are trying to get a lot of bandwidth cheap in rural markets.
 Maybe these old networks pass through your area.. Have fun!


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[WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

2009-04-03 Thread reader
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/

Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and 
moaning about how Bush violated our rights...

Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.





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Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...

2009-04-03 Thread reader
Another interesting article in the same theme...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/The-Proposed-Federalization-of-the-Computer-Security-Field-297694/

SSDD...





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 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-Security-Powers-504520/

 Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention.   All this whining and
 moaning about how Bush violated our rights...

 Anyway...   this is reason for concern for all of us.




 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread reader


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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


I think you may be missing a couple of variables in the multivariable
 equation that determines the actual throughput a client can achieve in
 a given time slice. When comparing access systems one must understand
 the differences between the capabilities provided by the systems and
 their result on these variables. You harp on throughput when the
 reality is that ISPs don't sell throughput; they sell capacity. The

Hmmm...  Where are we getting lost?   Why can't we just take what is said at 
face value, for as simple as it was said?

I don't really know about the other users on the list, but I, for one, DO 
understand the concepts of how to share a fixed data stream and why the 
802.11 mac is so poorly suited for ISP use.

Mike Hammett and I both are watching huge amounts of investment being poured 
into WIMAX equipment that's designed to meet last year's bandwidth model and 
asking the same question.When are the WIMAX folks going to realize that 
we do not want to spread 18 mbit across 100 customers, we want to spread 
36mbit across 100 customers.

This is because the consumption per customer continues to climb, and the 
oversubscription levels we USED to use for planning are headed to be far 
inadequate.It USED to be that the 6mbit from an 802.11b access point was 
enough during the peak use hours to keep 27 people happy - because nothing 
they did was latency and bandwidth sensitive.   So the page took 1 second 
longer, nobody cared.Now, 12 of those 27 people want to watch a 1 to 
3mbit HDTV  stream, while the others do stuff.

And no, putting up an AP to serve 100 people with 18 mbit isn't the answer. 
We need that AP to work just as gracefully as it does, but instead of using 
7 mhz, it uses 21, and will be adequate for the day when 25% of our clients 
watch TV over IP, talk on the phone, AND play games and surf...

While the rest let the email run 24/7 and listen to streaming music.

So, while you're arguing semantics here, both Mike and I are looking at this 
saying... Why invest heavily in equipment that is barely adequate for 
present?My whole solar powered sites do not cost $2000 and that 
includes the batteries and solar panels and radios, too.   Currently, we're 
still looking at putting in nothing but 5 ghz micropops because they can 
serve 10-20 people with adequate bandwidth for all, even in the apparent 
future.




 throughput of any given flow is variable based on a variety variables
 including RTT and congestion. Most applications that end users care
 about are TCP based, which means TCP's congestion algorithm comes into
 play most often. One important aspect of a TCP flow is slow start,
 which causes flows initially to have throughput less than the capacity
 of the transport layer. Considering that much of real world traffic
 never has time to get up to full speed, the capacity is rarely full
 utilized. However, when multiple flows operate on the same access
 layer at the same time all slow starting you are able get more
 efficient use of your capacity. Unfortunately, most end users simply
 do not have enough flows operating at the same time lasting long
 enough to fully utilize all of their capacity. The unused capacity is
 what allows for oversubscription. In other words, by sharing the
 capacity across a large enough number of end users you can get more
 efficient utilization of the overall available capacity.

 Now the above may be nothing new to most of us, but how easily we
 forget that we sell capacity and leverage our client's inability to
 use all of that capacity because their throughput rarely achieves what
 is available capacity wise. This means we need access systems that
 very efficiently multiplex flows from an arbitrary number of end
 users. It is not about getting more throughput than the overall
 capacity of the system; it is about efficiently delivery the maximum
 available throughput when the end user actually needs it.

 Your basic 802.11 wireless system does not efficiently share capacity
 across multiple stations, which results in stranded capacity. Compare
 this to a WiMAX system that is extremely efficient at sharing capacity
 across all connected stations. No system can allow the aggregate
 throughput of all stations to exceed the total capacity of the system,
 which would violate the law of physics.

Obviously.   But that's EXACTLY what two people just said on this list. 
That they do.   That's what I'm responding to.


 In the real world, end users can't use all of their capacity all of
 the time. Therefore, the more efficiently you can share that capacity
 across multiple users the more users you can support on a given system
 without negatively impacting their throughput when they need it.

 

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL

2009-03-19 Thread reader
Is there a more expensive way to bring in broadband than BPL?   Perhaps 
they would consider FTTH out in the middle of nowhere instead...  That might 
cost more, be more in line... sheesh...

I'm sorry, but I have become so completely disgusted, it's getting difficult 
for me to even relate to any of this stuff.   It's like crisis mode is an 
excuse to just let anything happen anywhere to anyone, and spend any amount 
for anything without even a smidgeon of responsibility.

All, precisely when the exact opposite should be happening...  Prudence, 
thrift, conservation, careful judgement and careful analysis...





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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companies to expand BPL


 In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the
 power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. 
 Just
 reading between the lines.

 Victoria

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 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

 I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took
 the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then?
 -RickG

 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net

 I didn't see anything about BPL in it.  I got the point was that they 
 were
 putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

  I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG
 
  On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett
  wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:
 
  They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's
  wireless network.
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL
 
   And where is the ARRL and all the Ham operators?
   -RickG
  
   On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lists li...@stlbroadband.com
 wrote:
  
  
  
 

 http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr
   id-technology-0317/
 

 http://telephonyonline.com/residential_services/news/att-smartsynch-smart-gr
 %0Aid-technology-0317/
  
  
  
   Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 
2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP,  and even 
then, I consider it oversubscribed.

Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great...  But how good does the signal 
have to be, and when the signals degrade due to distance or... How much 
effect does this have? What's the distance you can do 18?   2 miles?   4 
miles?   I need 25 miles...   I can't even GO 25 miles decently with 3.65, 
due to eirp limits.






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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however.

 In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having 
 enough
 bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and
 in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 
 megabit.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a
 WiMAX AP anyway...  not enough bandwidth.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base
 station,
 that only supports 30 subscribers.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I'm certainly interested in ptmp.

 The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

 Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to
 the
 UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today.

 Take care leon

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm looking into this too.

 So far I can't find a solution for rural towers.  A 3 sector install
 at $20k?  Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see
 that tower

 Anyone have any better ideas?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA
 General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
my average per customer is around $33/mo



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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where 
 most
 of us compete.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 We are seeing  around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed
 per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to
 complain.

 -Matt

 On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however.

 In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not
 having enough
 bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the
 next and
 in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18
 megabit.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a
 WiMAX AP anyway...  not enough bandwidth.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base
 station,
 that only supports 30 subscribers.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I'm certainly interested in ptmp.

 The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

 Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
 boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to
 the
 UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today.

 Take care leon

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm looking into this too.

 So far I can't find a solution for rural towers.  A 3 sector
 install
 at $20k?  Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even
 see
 that tower

 Anyone have any better ideas?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA
 General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
How do you do that, Patrick?

Seriously, 18 mbit is 18 mbit.

It isn't magically 36 because it has the word 'wimax' attached to it.

Now, we do understand the technical improvements from better MAC's, but that 
has mostly translated to narrower channels, not more throughput.

Even if you do FIBER, but your choke point, where everything comes down to 
a single pipe, be it a router, feed, AP, etc,  data is data, it doesn't 
magically shrink because you label wimax on the device.Because we 
don't talk in radio rate but AP to client throughput aggregate totals, 
it doesn't matter if it's wimax, bpl, 802.11 or some totally proprietary 
unknown system.   Data transfer limits are data transfer limits, and if you 
need to keep 30 clients going all at the same time with at least 1 meg, it 
ain't going to happen with an 18M feed point, even if the wimax word is 
printed, taped, labelled, or scratched onto the device.





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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very
 high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In
 general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many
 customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the
 number of customers for the same service and same same capacity in the
 WiMAX world.


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a
 WiMAX AP anyway...  not enough bandwidth.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base
 station,
 that only supports 30 subscribers.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I'm certainly interested in ptmp.

 The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

 Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to
 the
 UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today.

 Take care leon

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm looking into this too.

 So far I can't find a solution for rural towers.  A 3 sector install
 at $20k?  Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see
 that tower

 Anyone have any better ideas?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA
 General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
Many of us can't get away with that.  We have to make sure that there's 
actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed' version of severe 
oversubscription.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Mike,

 Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs 
 per
 AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to
 this level.

 The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX
 AP anyway...  not enough bandwidth.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base
 station,
 that only supports 30 subscribers.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I'm certainly interested in ptmp.

 The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

 Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the
 UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today.

 Take care leon

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I'm looking into this too.

 So far I can't find a solution for rural towers.  A 3 sector install
 at $20k?  Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see
 that tower

 Anyone have any better ideas?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
Sheesh.   How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake 
oil gets poured down the drain?

The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time 
for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among 
the oversubscribed.   HOWEVER...

If you built a 300mbit 802.11 PTMP system, you'd get about 120 total 
throughput.

This means you're using massive amounts of spectrum, but the actual 
throughput would be higher than ANY WIMAX setup to date.   This snake oil 
about the MAC supposedly violating physics and putting 36mbit through an 18 
mbit pipe is nonsense.802.11 sucks because the MAC wastes well over 50% 
of the airtime doing nothing at all, has absolutely no means of managing 
bandwidth use or dividing use among the users.   However, REAL THROUGHPUT IS 
REAL THROUGHPUT.

If you have an 18 mbit WIMAX you can support 3 clients consuming a little 
less than 6 each.

Add client #4 asking for 6mbit and the the other three MUST LOSE BANDWIDTH 
TO FEED IT.   Get it?  So, instead of just under 6 each, if they're all 
equal priority, all 4 get about 4.   Duhh.  That's it.   You cannot violate 
physics.

The MAC allows greater efficiency concerning airtime and modulation types 
improve throughput vs spectrum consumption.

NOTHING VIOLATES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

You cannot get 36 through an 18 knothole.   Period.

 You guys are all WAY smarter than this, and it's about time the hype based 
on comparison of RADIO DATA RATES gets chucked down the toilet.   None of us 
operate that way, and none of care a whit about radio data rates.   We're 
all about real throughput and good management of our our required business 
model of oversubscription.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Mike,

 It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the
 scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant 
 scale
 like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't
 work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the 
 network.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however.

 In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having 
 enough
 bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and
 in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 
 megabit.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a
 WiMAX AP anyway...  not enough bandwidth.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base
 station, that only supports 30 subscribers.

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I'm certainly interested in ptmp.

 The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it?
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Ligowave its ptp in 3.65...

 Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: 

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread reader
I put up some Ubiquiti based gear,  one of the radios died about 1hr into 
carrying traffic.

UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight.

I'll update.




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- Original Message - 
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List 
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan
 ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145




 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
wow.

i can get that for way under 2k...




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- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 Agreed

 I love threads like these touting deals too good to be true.  Many times
 they are.  Three things matter when pricing bandwidth:

 (1)  Location
 (2)  Location
 (3)  Location


 I'd gladly pay $5300 for 30MB in many, many parts of the country!

 Best,


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22 AM
 To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Depends on the loop.  My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different
 carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first 
 come

 to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:55 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 They're close to 1/2 that now.

 Rk

 On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote:
 Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
 DS3.

 10mb: $4300
 20mb: $4788
 30mb: $5300





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-18 Thread reader
Some are in areas that will never support that much overhead.



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- Original Message - 
From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they
 are starting out.


 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Hi Mike,

 I can't agree more!

 Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though.  Many
 times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way 
 to
 get true diversity.

 Regards,

 Jeff
 ImageStream

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being
 afraid of it.  BGP will bring you closer to more parts of the Internet and
 will protect you from routing problems on the net.

 oh, and make sure the two lines you get are completely diverse.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Richey myli...@battleop.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use?
 I
 read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1.
 Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will
 never really
 use.You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your 
 traffic
 rolls over to the T1.

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of John Thomas
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that
 you can legitimately run BGP and multi home?
 You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe
 if necessary.

 I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We
 have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2
 blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not*
 include Internet access, only point to point.

 John

 Richey wrote:
 /rant on

 Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a
 market where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many
 people might get
 a
 DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
 those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
 connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home
 in
 the
 beginning.

 If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will
 give you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a
 similar
 situation
 where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to
 allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not
 do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg
 problem.

 The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
 multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard
 for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their
 IP blocks are non portable.

 /rant off

 Richey

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Cliff Olle
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30
 days or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the
 case you are only using 4 class Cs?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Scott Piehn
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.


 Scott
 - Original Message -
 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN



 If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and
 if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)

 John


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class
 c's and will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that 

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread reader
XR3's.



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- Original Message - 
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



 Ubiquity as in x3 cards or as in NS3 units?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

 I put up some Ubiquiti based gear,  one of the radios died about 1hr
 into carrying traffic.

 UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight.

 I'll update.



 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan
 ???


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread reader
My replacements arrived today.The email that preceeded them said they 
were optimized for my setup.

No clue what that means.

I'll get them back up ASAP.

Mark




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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?


 We have a sector feeding 3 other towers that has been rock solid for 59 
 days now. Using a 10mhz channel, delivering 11Mbps at 18 miles.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Matt Liotta wrote:
 Yes, but the UBNT 3.65 radios are crap. Everyone we tried was
 worthless. On the other hand, every Redline 3.65 radio whether RedMax
 or AN80 has worked perfect.

 -Matt

 On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  Wow.  I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not
 even to lightning.  These are 2.4, but still.  I sure do like them.

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
I put up some Ubiquiti based gear,  one of the radios died about
 1hr into
 carrying traffic.

 UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight.

 I'll update.



 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA
 General List
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?



  Fellow operators:

 Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP?

 Any updates on experiences with:

 Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek,
 Airspan
 ???


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 g...@aeronetpr.com
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[WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...

2009-03-17 Thread reader
How, uhh, do you deal with woodpeckers...???

Anyone got any ideas other than shotgun?





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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

2009-03-16 Thread reader
Thanks for the humor, Marlon!

The romans infested my network last night.

To make room for a new backhaul and some other stuff, we changed out our 
largest site last night - everything new and also containing all new IP's 
and routing.  Unfortunately, I had accidently put a routing loop in the 
backhaul device, and when we hooked it up, we instantly buried the CPU with 
routing loops and it took me 2 hours to fix it remotely - mostly waiting for 
a totally buried CPU to respond to SSH input

Then, just an hour or so later, the radio on the other end of the backhaul 
died.

This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I had 
to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider  All that was 
on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the 
clients working about 11 pm.   Worked on it some more at home till around 
1:00 am...

The phone was ringing at 8:05, after I'd gotten about 5 hours of sleep...

Ok, that's it.  I'm ready for sleep again...





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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?


 In many ways this is certainly true.  Look at the Roman water systems and
 roads.

 Where are the Romans now?

 Oh, never mind.

 lol
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Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video streamforthentiameetingstoday

2009-03-16 Thread reader
LOL!!!

That's a very sharp and good point.   Complaints are one thing, but 
naked whining about past employers will never cut it :)

And you're very right...  There's always a way to promote positively what 
you're for, even if you're advocating undoing everything the people you're 
talking to have just done.





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From: Denise Hamilton den...@rapidsys.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video 
streamforthentiameetingstoday



 Coming across complaining about lawsuits, the local governments, the 
 telcos,
 etc. is not a good way, in my humble opinion, to come across and
 successfully make policy in what we should be doing to make rules for
 grants.  I trust when WISPA represents us on Thursday we come across 
 better
 then the New America Foundation.

 Sorry but we never like to hire people that only complained about their 
 last
 employer...

 ~
 Denise Hamilton
 Rapid Systems
 813-232-4887 x 101
 Fax 813-236-0014
 den...@rapidsys.com

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:56 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream
 forthentiameetingstoday

 We have had an on again/off again relationship with New America 
 Foundation.
 Mostly we agree with them.

 They lean far more to locally built non profit or consumer created 
 networks
 than commercial ones.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream
 forthentiameetingstoday


 Yeah. What do you make of this Sascha guy?
 He seems like one of the more reasonable people there and then he
 throws something in that makes me think he is hinting at GovMuniWifi

 On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 More with a government or non profit agency of some kind.

 I agree though, so far the best speakers are pushing for private public
 partnerships. With public being the main partner.
 marlon

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 From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com
 To: ccoo...@intelliwave.com; 'WISPA General List'
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for
 thentiameetingstoday


 They are asking us to partner with the State, but it is under debate.

 V

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of chris cooper
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:44 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
 ntiameetingstoday

 Scary? Care to expand upon that for those of us not in attendance?

 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Lists
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the
 ntiameetingstoday

 Not me, this is getting a bit scary.

 V

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
 meetingstoday

 I'm going to fall asleep watching this...


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:24 AM
 To: legislat...@wispa.org
 Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] only 20 people on the video stream for the ntia
 meetingstoday

 http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html

 come join me.
 marlon




 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

2009-03-16 Thread reader
no, don't have my own space yet.

The renumbering isn't normally too bad.   I did that not long ago, to 
shuffle around some subnets and make space for more clients.   Painlessly 
and nobody noticed.   However,  I have ONE access point that's legacy with 
clients back from my startup time and it has a number of non-dhcp clients on 
it.   This WILL involve a lot of drive time, to get all them fixed.

The access points themselves do all the routing and store the DHCP settings, 
so, it's just a matter of downloading the config, hand altering it, and 
uploading.   Our ip's are assigned to MAC addresses and it's really not all 
that troublesome.   I just use a word processor and and do a replace for 
the first 3 and hand assign the rest.Takes perhaps 10 minutes per AP.





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- Original Message - 
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?


 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 This after renumbering and re-routing about 100 clients.So, then, I 
 had
 to find a way to revert everyone bak to the OLD provider  All that 
 was
 on the OLD hardware. I got done (gave up) after getting most of the
 clients working about 11 pm.   Worked on it some more at home till around
 1:00 am...

 Yikes. I've been through a renumbering, I feel your pain.

 Since you mentioned providers' numbers, are you using IP space from your
 upstream(s)? If you're big enough, the money you'll spend on an ARIN
 membership is well worth it, just to get your own IP space. You'll
 hopefully never have to renumber again, and that peace-of-mind is well
 worth the money.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

2009-03-16 Thread reader
I'm sure the FCC guys really appreciate all that free labor that's being 
done for them.   Any bets they get up in front of Congress and praise you 
for doing it?   Or, do you suppose they'll take the credit?

Maybe a good stiff tax hike would make you feel better?



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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 oh man, we're STILL working on the 477.  Isn't that an absolute disaster?

 We don't ever TRACK most of what they want.

 sigh

 I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files
 that will export the data in a file for the fcc.  Let them sort all of the
 crap out.

 My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this!

 g
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


 agreed

 When we had specific questions, we called ARIN.  Got someone right away
 that
 new what they were talking about

 Easier than Form 477 for us

 Scott


 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN



 You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its
 easy.

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

 We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
 and
 will need more pretty soon in one location.

 Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?

 marlon




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

2009-03-15 Thread reader
The fact is, the only things we're doing wrong, is allowing too much 
subsidy, too many barriers to entry into the business, and too much tax 
money to be gobbled up.

In all of these countries with so-called great broadband, how much is 
ACTUALLY spent by the consumers and taxpayers?   Nobody knows.   I will 
guarantee you it is WELL MORE than anyone pays here.No, not the price of 
subsidized services, the total spending divided by users and taxpayers.

What is the actual return on broadband?I can tell you honestly,  that 
with the exception of a small handful of my customers, the only return is 
time saved, with no monetary returns.For a few, it does have financial 
implications, and they do earn or save money.I'd say it was under 10%. 
Now, that's RESIDENTIAL customers.Business customers have a far 
different viewpoint... And they often pay well more than residential service 
prices to get SLA's, etc.

Subsidizing the residential users with taxpayers is both economically wrong, 
and just plain common sense wrong.

But as far as the article goes..  We need MORE free market and less 
interference.   Broadband would spread faster, not slower.   And be more, 
not less, competitive.

But we have to recognize some things...  There are historically created 
monopolies, and there are current monopolies, and these monopolies exist due 
to force of law.   If there's anything that's held up broadband, it's these 
monopolies.

Local and state laws often create monopolies by placing huge impediments to 
new startups, or wireless deployments, and often absolutely and totally 
forbid WIRED competition for phone and cable operators by offering exclusive 
franchises.   The number of competitive wired phone operators is nil, for 
all practical purposes, for a lot of reasons.   Yet, we have no end in sight 
of the wireless phone guys competing for your dollar.

In rural America, far too much land is governmentally owned, and is the 
single largest obstacle to wireless deployments.   Eastern Oregon, for 
instance is hugely Federal, some state, and tiny spots of private land. 
Trying to use federal or state land is just simply not feasible, especially 
if you're provider #2 for a town of 2000 people and you're trying to be cost 
competitive.   And Congress can't seem to figure out that handing out grants 
to people who are experts at milking the sow in DC isn't cost effective or 
in any other way effective.   Those who can, do, those who can't, get grants 
or loans.   Not universally, but at least around here, that's the case.

Here is Eastern Oregon, we have one company that invested minimal money of 
their own, but bilked the state for millions, and uses state money (mine, no 
less) to deploy fiber to compete with non subsidized WISP's and other ISP's. 
And, since their contract is written in a certain way, they use the LEAST 
cost effective means of reaching people.   They get paid by the state to 
waste money, IMO.   And are they friendly to being cooperative iwth other 
ISP's?   Hell no.

Every time you offer public subsidy, you simply invite the taxpayers to get 
screwed endlessly.

And we're ALL taxpayers.

If you want to lobby DC and get my support, then the following words and 
this idea will NEVER surface in what you say... Give us money from the 
taxpayers.If you want to talk tax breaks,  if you want to talk legal 
classifications, if you want to talk about barriers to services, etc, etc... 
by all means, do so... but you lose me everytime you say we need money. 
If you can't make the business case for it without subsidy or grants, IT 
SHOULD NOT BE DONE.   Period.

And those poor whiny souls who bellyache about the position we hold in 
broadband penetration can have endless bleeding ulcers over it,  they have 
no point worth considering.

As I've said before... lots of people here are arguing that since it's 
going to be spent, get your share.   NO!

If it has to start somewhere, it starts with me.  I take nothing.  Zilch. 
Never.  Ever.   Just do the right thing.  Eventually, doing the right thing 
will be popular and can be sold to the saps in DC.   But it has to start 
somewhere.   Even if it starts AND ENDS with me...  I'm doing the right 
thing, period.






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Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?



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Re: [WISPA] ARTICLE - What's the U.S. Doing Wrong with Broadband ?

2009-03-15 Thread reader
Why on earth should it be?

End the monopolies and end subsidies.

There's no excuse under the sun for that to be.

NONE


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 You're in the wrong industry to invent a moral highroad about government
 subsidisations.  Telecomm is considered a utility, and utilities will 
 always
 be subsidised by governments.  Always have been, and always will be.




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[WISPA] Tranzeo 3.65

2009-03-13 Thread reader
Did the list die?

Anyway, wondering if anyone's used or using the Tranzeo 3.65 stuff that's 
out now?





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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-12 Thread reader
You're seeing LOCAL government cutting back, but not the federal.   It's 
going to grow by at least 500,000 to 700,000 new employees in the next 
couple of years.




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- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


 That's kind of the point.  Travis's post illuminated that many of us are
 seeing jobs being lost across the board including in the government 
 sector.




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Re: [WISPA] schools

2009-03-12 Thread reader
The biggest problem with all this, is that dictionaries use old 
definitions... and the definition of a dynamic political ideology is bound 
to change.

I'm far closer to the definition quoted, and yet, today, nobody would 
dream of calling me a liberal.

This makes conversations a lot harder.

And tempers a lot hotter.





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- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


 Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers
 individual liberty and equality to be the most important political 
 goals.[1]

 Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity.
 Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete
 over the use of the term liberal and may propose very different
 policies, but they are generally united by their support for
 constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of
 thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of
 law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent
 system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents
 of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of
 government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections,
 where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6]


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

 That one is about as far off as it can get.  I think liberalism is
 interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity.  It's interested in
 eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc.  Liberalism 
 wants
 to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc.

 flame suit on

 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


 Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last
 paragraph...

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

 Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Tom Sharples
 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost 
 100
 million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish 
 for.

 Tom S.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools


 Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head!  If the money is for 
 me...well
 then it's ok.  Someone else and then it's not.  grin

 That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to 
 my
 home address made out to Yours Truly instead!

 Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see
 fit.

 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of George Rogato
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15
 Trillion by the time they are all done.

 Seriously.

 For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have 
 yet
 to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and
 we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is
 worth while.
 I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I
 hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there
 own fault.
 But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. 
 And
 I come across a lot of people.


 I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup,
 myself.

 George


 Chuck Bartosch wrote:
 LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not
 even in the ballpark!

 Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey,
 what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh?

 ;-)

 Chuck

 On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Is it true that the amount of money spent in stimulus plans would
 be equal
 to or less than the government writing every household in America a
 $70k or
 $80k check?

 Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds
 to
 stimulate the economy rather than what has and is been done so
 far...

 Brad




 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools

 Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public
 Hearing
 right now for our school district. 

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-09 Thread reader
LOL!!! @ size matters

There's someone, not sure who, going around to every forum that talks about 
3650 and says it's unlicensed and that you do whatever you want there...

They've been on the DSLReports forums, and Ubiquiti, to specify two I 
remember for sure.It reads almost like prepared stuff, as if someone's 
out to deliberately spread misinformation.





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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Other vendors of 3.65 GHz gear told me size doesn't matter.  I guess 
 that's
 what I get for listening to that phrase, no matter who's right.  ;-)


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

 Antenna gain does matter.

 UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I 
 first
 filed for the license.   Useful only for P2P, actually.

 You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna
 specified.





 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Not mine, but

 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393licKey=2969764rsc=NN

 That's a Ubiquiti XR3.  It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus
 or
 because it doesn't matter.  Nor does antenna gain.


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 --
 From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

 So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
 registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
 the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
 system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
 register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
 then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
 resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
 see a full answer from you here on this.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,  rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I am.

 Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, 
 but
 affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
 propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso
 than
 5 or 2.4.

 Or, that's how it seems.





 
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 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

 brian


 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-09 Thread reader
I dunno who to ask, I think even if you ask the FCC you might get a slightly 
muddled answer.  I just used exactly what was certified including the 
enclosure used, and followed the rest of the requirements as best I could.





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- Original Message - 
From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Who has the final word on this?  I've been told by testing laboratories
 that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case...  They said if the
 radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter)
 had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db
 like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer 
 (like
 ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC.

 It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can
 or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the 
 people
 at the top of the food chain I guess.

 Who's right?  And how am I supposed to know?

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
 From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net
 Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

 I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90
 licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected.
 Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with
 Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  This is covered with
 a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically.

 So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is
 technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it
 should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part
 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  In this case, a
 Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location.

 This is why the label is important.  This kind of system built from
 modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model
 number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about
 unintentional interference.  This information tells anyone including the
 FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this
 example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case).
 If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default.  Then if
 there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module
 maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed
 properly).  Finally if there are problems with the unintentional
 emissions, it is the system assembler's problem.

 I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band.  So why does Part 15
 even matter?  Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the
 rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the
 spectrum.  :-)

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT

  My system is fully licensed.

 How did you get your combination of XR3
 + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna
 certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you
 just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification
 process? If so, from whom? I'd be willing to pay a small premium over
 the price of all those parts just to avoid the legal heat.David
 SmithMVN.net

 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-09 Thread reader
Of course, Jack.

Part of what adds up to confusion is that there's always questions that come 
up that don't have particularly clear answers by just reading the rules.

And the rules are very short and to the point.  It's easy to read them (the 
ones for 3650) through in a relatively short period of time, and yet still 
have answers.  That's when interpretation of the rules comes into play, 
often in a very technological context, and I'd say a lawyer's not going to 
be a lot of help, unless he's technically at engineer level, and I'm not 
sure that all the FCC personell have been even asked all the questions, yet, 
that us creative types can dream up.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 As I see it, there are two sources of information on FCC matters.

 1. Those people (onlist) who have the most experience with an issue (be it 
 3.65 or any other issue). Experience still adds up to knowledge. Anything 
 less is just guessing. Put your faith in those that you trust who have 
 experience with an issue, whatever the issue is.

 2. Your FCC attorney. FCC matters are, at base, a matter of law.

 jack

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I dunno who to ask, I think even if you ask the FCC you might get a 
 slightly
 muddled answer.  I just used exactly what was certified including the
 enclosure used, and followed the rest of the requirements as best I could.




 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


  Who has the final word on this?  I've been told by testing laboratories
 that do testing for the FCC that this is not the case...  They said if the
 radio card (5Ghz when I asked but for this discussion it doesn't matter)
 had been approved with an antenna then you could use the same or less db
 like antenna and you were good to go - assuming the card manufacturer
 (like
 ubiquity) had had appropriate testing completed and filed with FCC.

 It sure is difficult for any of us to make heads or tales out of what can
 or can't be done because everyone has a different opinion - even the
 people
 at the top of the food chain I guess.

 Who's right?  And how am I supposed to know?

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net
 Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

 I think the confusion on this comes from the fact that for the P90
 licensing process, only the transmitter information is collected.
 Remember that even with Part 90 devices, they still must comply with
 Part 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  This is covered with
 a Declaration of Conformity for the system typically.

 So the previous example of the XR3 + ARC + RB411 + PoE (sic) is
 technically only legal if it meets all Part 90 requirements (which it
 should according to the test report on file at the FCC) as well as Part
 15 requirements for unintentional radiators.  In this case, a
 Declaration of Conformity should be on file at the assembler's location.

 This is why the label is important.  This kind of system built from
 modular components should include a label with a manufacturer name/model
 number, the contains FCC ID: xx, and the 2 required statements about
 unintentional interference.  This information tells anyone including the
 FCC who to contact for intentional emission issues (P-90 in this
 example) as well as unintentional emission issues (P-15 in this case).
 If there is no label on there, then it is illegal by default.  Then if
 there are problems with the intentional radiator, it is the module
 maker's problem (assuming the integration instructions were followed
 properly).  Finally if there are problems with the unintentional
 emissions, it is the system assembler's problem.

 I know, I knowthis is a licensed, Part 90 band.  So why does Part 15
 even matter?  Simply put, P-90 covers the transmitter, P-15 covers the
 rest of the crap spewing from the device in the rest of the
 spectrum.  :-)

 -Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp
 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:05:36 GMT

  My system is fully licensed.
How did you get your combination of XR3
 + Routerboard 400 series + Mikrotik RouterOS 3.x + whatever antenna
 certified? What's the process like, and how much did it cost?Or did you
 just buy the kit from someone else who went through the certification
 process? If so, from whom? I'd 

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
My system is fully licensed.

Please don't use your ignorance to try to insult me in public.  I suggest 
you attempt, for once, to know exactly what you're talking about before you 
go start demanding I do a damn thing for you.

The FCC grant for the equipment I have in use occurred about 8-10 months 
ago.



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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
 registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
 the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
 system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
 register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
 then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
 resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
 see a full answer from you here on this.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,  rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I am.

 Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but
 affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
 propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso 
 than
 5 or 2.4.

 Or, that's how it seems.





 
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 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

 brian


 
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Ok, smart alec.

Call sign:  WQJC592

It's all there in black and white.


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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


I did not realize there was as FCC emission designator and grant of
 approval assigned to that radio. I would love to read the FCC approval
 on that radio. Do you happen to have a link to that? I previously sent
 out a step by step guide for everyone to use for registering their AP
 and client locations using the Redline system as an example. It was a
 doc we worked on at MVN for about a month and sent it to the FCC for
 their approval. It was given out for free to our paid up WISPA members
 to save them the month work we spent in making sure we did our filings
 by the book. I would not expect that you have anything like that but
 would you care to share what the specific details (emission
 designator, FCC grant #, etc.) are that you have used for your
 location filings using the XR3?
 Thank you,
 John Scrivner


 On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 The FCC ULS requires that you enter the FCC ID of the radio that is being
 used, along with it's characteristics. That is easily done with an XR3 
 card.
 No where during the registration process does it say the radio and 
 antenna
 and everything else has to be certified as a system.

 I can complete a perfectly legal 3.65 registration filing, answering 
 every
 single question honestly, using an XR3 card, inside an ARC 
 antenna/enclosure
 with an RB411 board.

 Travis
 Microserv

 John Scrivner wrote:

 So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
 registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
 the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
 system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
 register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
 then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
 resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
 see a full answer from you here on this.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,  rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:


 I am.

 Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but
 affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
 propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso 
 than
 5 or 2.4.

 Or, that's how it seems.





 
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 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization 
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp




 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Antenna gain does matter.

UBNT has only one certified antenna combination - or did back when I first 
filed for the license.   Useful only for P2P, actually.

You have to specificy EIRP, which UBNT's grant details, using the antenna 
specified.






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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Not mine, but

 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licenseLocDetail.jsp?keyLoc=15533393licKey=2969764rsc=NN

 That's a Ubiquiti XR3.  It doesn't say Mikrotik or Star-OS or Ikarus 
 or
 because it doesn't matter.  Nor does antenna gain.


 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

 So Reader, are you saying you have a 3.65 GHz  license and have
 registered your 3.65 GHz access points and end user locations through
 the FCC ULS? I did not recall seeing a Star OS 3.65 FCC certified
 system. You are required to use FCC certified equipment and to
 register every AP and customer location using this band. If you do not
 then you are breaking the law. Since you are using WISPA list
 resources to discuss this as a system option for 3.65 GHz I expect to
 see a full answer from you here on this.
 Scriv




 On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM,  rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 I am.

 Works ok. Using Star-OS. I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but
 affirmative statement that it works. 3.65 seems to have unique
 propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso
 than
 5 or 2.4.

 Or, that's how it seems.





 
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 To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
 wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp? What is available? Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular andWimax

2009-03-06 Thread reader
Absolutely none of this is possible with unlicensed spectrum.

If you're saying that it's our fault that there's no high power protected 
spectrum to use that doesn't cost mega millions like the cellular guys paid, 
then, I guess we're at fault.

Until you can make the case for that point, I'm in complete disagreement 
with you on whose fault it is.

Until then, there's simply no way to move equipment around randomly and have 
ubiquitous coverage.   Oh, and even the cellular guys aren't doing it yet.

It works in the big city.   It works in a few places out here.

And it's not fast.



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From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Mobility and Roaming was: Wifi outperforms Cellular 
andWimax


 Sadly WISPs have dragged their feet in development of true mobility
 and roaming. These features are the true differentiators of wireless
 broadband over DSL or DOCSIS. The cellular industry is more quickly
 adapting to the need to move to an IP centric platform for their
 mobile voice/data systems than we are in recognizing the compelling
 desire of everyone to have everything available to them everywhere
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Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas

2009-03-04 Thread reader


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- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett vp...@hofnet-communications.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas


 I have yet to receive any communication or dollars from my government, 
 other
 than to spend more money on their so called public safety initiatives, 
 like
 calea...


 ...enough, that should get the sounding board moving...just incase anyone
 needs to know who posted such a Capitalistic Republican view.

LOL, they don't like me around here for being one of those Capitalist Pigs, 
either.   I'm so radical I oppose handouts, even for and to me (God knows I 
am not rich ).   I won't take it if offered.

You gotta start somewhere.   I'm starting with me.  It's not good enough for 
me to say if someone's going to get them, it might as well be me.  Sorry. 
This country's in bad enough shape it's no longer a matter of politics or 
partisanship.  It's now a matter of conscience.   That should come first, 
before the bank balance, before the checkbook bottom line, before we're a 
party member, or not a party member, before we're businessmen or consumers, 
or whatever...





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 217 342 6201 ex 100



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 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Cc: legislat...@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas


 Hi All,

 I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again

 If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we
 tell the government?

 I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all.  Did my
 last
 post fail to make it through?  Or should we not give any input into the
 process if given the chance?  We'll just let the telco's get all of it
 then?

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Re: [WISPA] The good college try

2009-03-04 Thread reader
Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, 
feel free to holler.

I love the technical stuff.   Don't much care for the paperwork or installs 
in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the 
truck...





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- Original Message - 
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] The good college try


 The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost
 my system admin in the last budget cut.  He helps from his new job but
 the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most
 technically inclined as I should be.  Obviously I have more knowledge
 than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can
 sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time
 admin to hire people who can guide me.  My feeling is Marlon is pretty
 much in the same boat.  While some in WISPA have thousands of customers
 in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural.  Speaking only for
 myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this
 group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I
 have interest in a topic.  We try not to look dumb when we ask for help
 and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects,
 paying for consulting or just a big thanks.  Some on here may think
 non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I
 personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe
 I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done
 it over 200 times.  Just show a little patience and if you don't want to
 educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when
 you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or
 act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button.  Thanks
 for what you do help, I appreciate it!



 Forbes



 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul



 Marlon,

 Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in
 over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from
 someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are
 doing.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

 Thanks.

 Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network
 is
 build in a circle?
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul




 Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop.
 Figure
 $15,000 per link for everything.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to
 20 miles.  Some
 links may be less, but I'm not counting on that.

 I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal
 internet traffic.

 I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a
 ring.  I can load
 share
 across the ring as long as speeds never drop below
 100megs.  I'll want
 things to be automatically self healing if there is a
 loss of
 connectivity
 in any direction.

 What would you guys use/suggest?

 I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna
 sizes) but
 unlicensed
 may be OK due to the failover capabilities.

 We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust
 storms.

 What gear would you use?  How would you set this up?

 I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are
 welcome.  Pall park
 numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to
 run high vs. low,
 I'd
 rather over estimate the costs.

 thanks,
 marlon




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer

2009-03-03 Thread reader
I have a couple of the motherboards in use doing other things, they're just 
real slow as a full blown PC.   The nice part is, they run from 12V DC 
nicely and have a single PCI slot and a mini-pci slot.

You can make smaller PC's than that, by quite a bit, just use the VIA PICO 
and NANO ITX motherboards and the cases built for them.

They're even quite a bit faster, with the ability to add more ram, which the 
geode based boards often lack.

They do take a little more power, but for that, you get a real video 
chipset, a good audio chipset, and the much faster VIA processor.







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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM
Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer


 Has anyone seen or used one of these?
 http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html



 I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW.









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Re: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS

2009-03-03 Thread reader
Some simple rules to move things in your direction...

1.  limit the size of loans or grants - nothing over, say, 300K.   No multi 
million dollar get some guy real rich schemes.
2.  Limit the areas allowed to be paid for, in other words, only so many 
dollars per square mile.
3.  Require local presence in area covered.   Nobody from Odessa getting 
money for Pendleton...
4.  Allow dollars to be used for customer end, not just infrastructure or a 
truck or something.

I disagree with 'no startups' as there's a lot of area that simply has to be 
a venture of its own.

No community access or community centers.   Those things are absurd. 
Like, does Odessa really need an internet cafe?   What about Lind?

that's just off the top of my head.

Have fun.  new customers waiting...







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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Cc: legislat...@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: [WISPA] what to ask for at NTIA and RUS


 OK, I've been putting some thought into this bailout mess we find 
 ourselves
 in.

 The agencies have almost no time to design a program, take applications,
 distribute money and audit the results.

 I'll be surprised if they aren't forced to accept a basic outline of a 
 plan
 drawn on a Denny's napkin.

 What will the easiest and safest way to go as a government employee?  Just
 shoot most of the money out to the people that you already know.  Even
 though you've already sent 6 billion out the door to that same group (BTW,
 we should use that number as a big reason why they should radically change
 their models).  No one will get in trouble for sticking with what's known,
 and there's not nearly enough time to study the issue, accept public input
 etc. etc. etc.

 I don't know if we'll ever get the chance to give our input to the 
 agencies
 involved.  (I know WISPA and many of us individually will sure be working 
 on
 that though!!!)  But if we do, what should we push for?  The more of us 
 push
 in the same direction the more we'll be able to move the agencies out of
 their historic ruts.

 Some of the things that I think would help a company like mine deal with 
 the
 grants.  Heck, even want the grants.  (The last time I even considered one
 was in 2001, too many strings.)

No strings attached.  Accept the plan laid out, look at the goals of 
 the
 plan and approve or disapprove based on that.  (We need more and better
 broadband out here, but we do NOT need computer centers!)

Allow basic plans.  There isn't time for us to figure this out down to
 the last nut and bolt either.  I have a plan to build new towers in many
 locations.  Some will be near existing buildings that are used for towers
 now, others will have to be in totally new locations.  It'll take time to
 buy/lease ground.  I might have to move my locations by great distances.

Allow labor to be paid.  If I can grow/update my network I'll need to
 hire some help.  I won't be able to do enough new installs or upgrades to
 get it all done quickly.

Fund small businesses at 100%.  If I had the ability to get more money
 (for matching funds) I'd have already used it to deploy more coverage to
 more users.

Allow funding to purchase the tools needed to expand.  If I get another
 installation crew running I'll need a rig for them.  They'll need some
 training etc.

Allow the specifics of a deployment to change if need be.  As long as
 the original goal is still being met.

Money will need to be sent out in advance.  Lets say that a company 
 gets
 a $1m grant.  They need $100k to $200k in the bank at all times.  This 
 will
 allow is to get cash with order deals, adjust for changing opportunities
 etc.  We'll also be able to move MUCH more quickly than we otherwise 
 would.

Tie grant funds to the 477.  If a company can prove that it's already
 been in the broadband industry and has already been serving customers they
 should be empowered to do more of what they already do.  They'd have the
 greatest chance of success over the long haul.

Do NOT fund startups.  The Muni Wireless industry's pitiful results
 should demonstrate that most of the big thinkers just don't get the
 market.  Let those that are already successful expand on what they are
 already able to accomplish.

Make sure that most of the money goes to small business.  The goal here
 is to create jobs.  90%+ of America's economy revolves around small
 business.  Many more jobs will be created and the money used more
 efficiently (as seen in the historical record) by small businesses.

Fund operations for x (3 to 5?) years.  We can build the networks 
 today,
 but we can't create users today.  It will take time to sign them up.  It
 will take time for them to maximize their new efficiencies with the new
 technologies (or upgraded technologies) that we'll install.

 What 

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp

2009-03-03 Thread reader
I am.

Works ok.   Using Star-OS.   I use ok to designate an unenthusiastic, but 
affirmative statement that it works.3.65 seems to have unique 
propagation qualities that are affected by snow, rain, and fog, moreso than 
5 or 2.4.

Or, that's how it seems.






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From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:29 AM
Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 ptp


 Anyone using 3.65 for ptp?   What is available?  Can ubiquiti's cards be
 used in mikrotik?

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Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA

2009-02-19 Thread reader
February's always been dead here.  My sales in Februrary have generally been 
nil.   Not this year.  I've several for the month.





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- Original Message - 
From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA


 That's awesome Marlon. We too are seeing a spike this year. 36 last month,
 Over 30 so far this month.

 On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

 Most people around here understand this issue.  They are putting service
 ahead of that last couple of bucks.

 We added a net of almost 100 subs last year (much better than I thought 
 it
 would be due to the installation pace mid year).  This year, in the midst
 of
 a ression I've put on 26 already!  We're ahead of last years numbers, by 
 a
 high %.

 We can more easily cut costs than the big guys can.  We don't have unions
 to
 deal with, we usually don't have large houses, planes, vehicle fleets 
 etc.
 etc. etc.

 This will be a good thing for us at the end of the day.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 9:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA


  And THAT's what give capitalism a bad name. So, with the C-word
 becoming
  a
  bad thing, the socialist will get their way - for now at least. What 
  can
 a
  WISP do in such an environment?
  -RickG
 
  On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Patrick Leary
  ple...@apertonet.comwrote:
 
  Groan. Sigh. The following comment reflects a personal view... Would
  have been nice if they could have tapped someone from a respected 
  think
  tank like Pew or non-profit like the New America Foundation.
 
  You'd think by now people would getting tired of bringing in big 
  company
  board room honchos to run these sorts of things. The temptation and
  limited big company experience of these people just continues the
  culture of influence peddling and mutual aggrandizing among their
  well-heeled and boot-licking peers. After so many repeated stories of
  abuse and fraud, all I can think of when I see this sort of 
  appointment
  of a major corporate figure is the image of cigar chomping,
  back-slapping, bonus-happy banker-type culture.
 
 
  Patrick Leary
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
  On
  Behalf Of John Scrivner
  Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:15 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] [Sarcasm Alert] Yippee! Sprint owns the NTIA
 
  Does anyone know the stock symbol for the company that makes KY Jelly?
  I think that is where I will be moving my portfolio to. I'll just go
  ahead now and predict that Sprint / Clearwire end up with a minimum of
  $3B, likely more.
 
 
  TODAY'S SPOTLIGHT... Former Sprint exec tapped as NTIA deputy director
 
  The Obama administration has named a former Sprint Nextel executive,
  Anna Gomez, to serve as deputy director of the National
  Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), which will
  handle as much as $6.65 billion in new stimulus wireless and broadband
  grants that will be available to Sprint and its competitors.
 
  Gomez, former vice president of government affairs with Sprint, is
  currently acting director of NTIA, which influences the president's
  telecom policy within the Commerce Department.
 
  NTIA spokesman Bart Forbes said in an interview with the Wall Street
  Journal that Gomez understands that the public has every right to be
  concerned about her role in a potential broadband grant program,
  because of her history with Sprint. She is discussing this with the
  ethics office and will look to remove herself from the decision-making
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Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything

2009-02-18 Thread reader
You're so right.   Anywhere we can find a child suffering the ravages of 
catastrophe, unlimited taxpayer dollars are called for, to make his life 
easier.

After we've all lost our homes due to foreclosure and our businesses are 
closed due to everyone else being broke, these poor children will STILL be 
happy.   Then we just have Congress bail us ALL out, and buy all new homes 
and new cars and new internet services.

Cripes.

My heart aches at every person's misfortune...whether it's the disabled man 
who lives next to me with the wife who has suddenly had to be hospitalized 
for psychosis or the kid in my youth group who has her seizure disorder go 
wildly out of control, or any of the millions of tragedies that occur around 
the globe every year.   This does NOT in the slightest justify indebting 
every taxpayer the point that he can NEVER get out of debt nor his children.

Sorry.   I am in complete disagreement with you.






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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:33 PM
Subject: [WISPA] It can mean everything


I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happened
 that changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called 
 Bluford,
 Illinois used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time I
 never used 900 MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full 
 of
 trees. It is a very poor community which led me to believe they could not
 afford the high price of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined the
 Digital Divide. My attitude toward USDA grants was They should stay out
 of this but if someone will get the money it might as well be me. I shot
 for the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 MHz (The only 900 MHz gear
 available at that time) and a new tower. I asked for free installs for all
 residents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short I did 
 everything
 the USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to broadband
 conventions and told others how to apply for grants.

 Then a miracle happened.

 My grant was funded. I received $310K to build service into Bluford. It 
 was
 the nicest setup I had ever done. The people of Bluford were ecstatic. 
 Over
 60% of all residents bought service. We built a free community technology
 center at the local grade school. We gave free broadband to the schools, 
 the
 village hall, the fire department, etc. as a condition of the grant. 
 Bluford
 was doing great. Still, this had not really changed my thinking that Uncle
 Sam should keep out of the broadband business.

 One child did change my mind.

 An 8 year old boy in Bluford got leukemia shortly after we setup the new
 broadband there. Dad and son, alone, faced the dark days ahead. These 
 people
 were poor folks facing the horrors of cancer. Despite all this adversity 
 and
 gloom the boy had only one major mental obstacle which really cut to the
 core for him. He could not face the prospects of having to be held back a
 year of school. You see, he was forced into isolation from killing off his
 immune system as a consequence of the bone marrow being destroyed and
 replaced. He desparately wanted to finish school with his class. The 
 schoool
 called me and asked if we could help with the broadband grant program we 
 had
 won. We did. We bought a pan-tilt-zoom camera and set it up on a roll 
 around
 cart along with a speakerphone in his classroom. We installed broadband in
 his home for free using 900 MHz radios to bust through the trees. The boy
 attended classes virtually through this system. He beat his cancer. He 
 also
 finished his year with his fellow students.

 How much is this worth?

 It seems to me that this particular broadband application is much like the
 Priceless description we see in those VISA commercials. But let's try to
 put a dollar amount on it. Is it worth $310K to be able to do this? Is it
 possible that this one boy's hope alone is worth $310K and the fact that 
 the
 whole town now has broadband is a bonus?

 Maybe it is ok to let our leaders lead for a change.

 I have seen many bad things come from bad government in my 43 years on 
 this
 earth. I have been fortunate enough to see some good things too. Until
 recently I thought cynicism was going to rule the day forever in regard to
 government. I thought patrotism was dead. I thought the American Dream had
 faded and spoiled into a nightmare. Sadly the government has done much to
 amplify those feelings. Regardless of your politics you have to be 
 worried.
 Maybe it is ok to have hope too. Maybe we should try for once to say that 
 we
 will take our leader's lead and try to stimulate our economy through
 broadband deployment. I am willing to give it a shot. Maybe this will not
 work but maybe it will. What if success or failure of this program is more
 dependent on how we make use of 

Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-18 Thread reader
No, it's NOT my money.





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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 But it's your money?  You pay taxes right?  How can you feel wrong about 
 getting back what they took from you?

 Brian

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it should not 
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon

Well, whatcha gonna do?



 
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Re: [WISPA] 900 CPE

2009-02-18 Thread reader
WAR1,  box, XR9, pigtail, POE, J arm mount, and antenna = ~$265

Plus labor to put it together.

That's the 900 I use.   If you're close in and keep the RSSI up, it'll 
deliver over 3.5Mbit to the customer in a 5 mhz channel.   Gives you 4 
channels to work with.

I had one small town of 500 that had 900 stop working completely on all 
frequencies.   Let the buyer beware.




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- Original Message - 
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:46 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 900 CPE


I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
 town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
 to turn a lot of them down for trees.  I have a third slot in my
 Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
 then I need fairly inexpensive CPE.  Any ideas?

 Thanks,
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 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
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 Fax 509-853-0856 |Ofc 509-853-0858

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of jp
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance

 Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and
 places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into
 Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella.

 On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote:

   My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of
 Satan
 -hehehehe)

 When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can
 afford. It
 has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance
 and it
 has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types
 of
 insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to
 file a
 claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need
 insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that
 (with
 hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it
 will
 appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when
 someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends
 abruptly
 :-)

  We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions

 Mac




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  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM
  To: WISPA List
  Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
 
  What do you guys have for insurance policies?  I am working with my
  Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't
 buy
  unnecessary policies.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Well, they are THE providers of broadband, didn't you know.Too valuable 
to fail and well connected in DC.

I read somewhere that between the bailouts - specifically banks and other 
financial institutions - and the loans that the taxpayers have gauranteed in 
the last year,  along with the spending and new spending programs voted in 
for the future, there's something like 18 TRILLION dollars in liabilites on 
the backs of the taxpayers that's new since the end of January 08.   And 
it's over 5 trillion in direct spending just for the 18 months between last 
july and the end of '09.   That assumes no new spending.

Someone I read, which if memory serves was a WSJ blog, calculated that we 
could just have let ALL the banks fail and instead, distributed 90,000 PER 
ADULT to the public and restarted with all new and solvent institutions and 
it would have been cheaper than the stimulus, bank rescues and bailouts.

I know that with 180K in my family we'd have done a lot more stimulatin' 
than the present 3.3 trillion just passed.  (this includes the cost of 
future programs which are NOT paid for in this bill, cumulative to the next 
pres election).I am as horrified as you at the gross mismanagement.

But, just when you think you've seen it all...   The president (CEO?  COO? 
Chairman?  not sure) of Netflix apparently has publicly stated he thinks his 
taxes should be raised, along with all his business cohorts.If I were on 
his BOD, he'd be sending resumes out and unemployed the day after he said 
that.

Well, whatcha gonna do?



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From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

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 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in 
Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home 
everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time.  And 
I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt 
ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. 
Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for 
more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real 
estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, 
rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the 
proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect 
from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of 
owners of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or car 
loans or anything.

Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed 
and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being 
persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner.

One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones 
and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE 
FIRED!

:)



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- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so 
 many
 stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically 
 continue
 operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.

 If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the 
 expense
 of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and 
 spent
 to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
 myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
 conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies 
 like
 Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that 
 did
 it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and 
 customers
 in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
 single thing of their personal affect.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

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 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
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 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.


 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer
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[WISPA] Per customer gigabyte consumption...

2009-02-14 Thread reader
I'm in the process of bringing on a new provider for bandwidth on board and 
in doing so, I decided to check out some history...

When I started,  on the average, my customers used 2 gigs of data per month.

Last month, it worked out to just over 11 gigs per customer.

That's an increase of over 5X in 4.5 years.

I didn't bother to look back, but if memory serves, this time last year, 
that number was about 4.5 gigs per customer.

I expect that's going to double again this year.

Any of you have similar histories?



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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Have you seen anyone who wasn't connected to DC carry this out?   I don't 
think my corp could get away with that.   BTW, there's been some people, 
including a coule in Congress who want to change the BK laws for 
corporations, so that if they go BK, the people who lent money get to hold 
the stock of the new corp.   I'll bet they'd get the incompetent fired and 
replaced.   Although, sometimes it really isn't a case of mismanagement - or 
it was mismanagement previous to the people who get stuck with the mess - 
like Chrysler is right now.   Daimler's to blame for 100% of their problems, 
it seems rather pointless to rip the guys trying to save it now...

Anyone notice that  the peanut guys just went out of business over some 
tainted peanuts?





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- Original Message - 
From: e...@wisp-router.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue 
 business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and 
 the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess 
 goes clean and free and get to keep it all.

 Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. 
 It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning 
 and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a 
 legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't 
 be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and 
 keep everything.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in
 Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home
 everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. 
 And
 I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged 
 debt
 ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal.
 Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for
 more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the 
 real
 estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet,
 rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the
 proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to 
 collect
 from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of
 owners of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or 
 car
 loans or anything.

 Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed
 and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being
 persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner.

 One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work 
 phones
 and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

 But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE
 FIRED!

 :)


 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so
 many
 stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically
 continue
 operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.

 If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the
 expense
 of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and
 spent
 to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
 myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
 conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies
 like
 Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that
 did
 it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and
 customers
 in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
 single thing of their personal affect.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does 

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread reader
My Dodge that's now a bucket truck...   I towed a trailer with it to Klamath 
Falls and back...  with the empty trailer, it was 13 mpg.  Coming back, I 
had a 13,000 tractor on it.   Truck and trailer total was 27,000 and I got 
10.5 mpg, and even a 6% grade didn't get us down under 45mph.  I never had 
to get lower than 4th gear (6 speed).

You CAN get decent fuel economy, but it requires certain ...  qualities to 
your rig.







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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our 
 sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash wrote:
 LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
 across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

 ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

 ...I get 10 on a good day. :)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


  fyi, it's not a van...

 http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

 I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
 to
 settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
 kids,
 heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
 (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
 a
 foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
 make
 sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

 http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0

 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

 The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
 didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

 http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

 They have some of those on ebay too:
 http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
 benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
 do
 not mix.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:

  I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd 
 seat.
 I'm
 only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
 totally
 loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
 I
 did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
 up
 at first.

 The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
 sits
 well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
 and
 cold in the summer.

 The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

 Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
 EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle


What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 to put al our stuff in.

 Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 If you haven't seen these 

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-12 Thread reader
dodge is expecting to have a Cummins powered half ton in 2010 or 2011 model 
year.   It's expected to be able to pull off near 30 mpg.

Ford and Toyota dropped their plans for light duty diesel pickups, Chrysler 
has not.  I would not even think of owning a Mahindra.   They're known 
around the world as a not very funny joke compared to well built stuff.





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- Original Message - 
From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Sooner or later, someone will do a 1/2 ton diesel electric hybrid truck
 , and it should be able to do at least 40 mpg if they do it right.
 It looks like these guys might be the ones to do it.

 http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/mahindra-appalachian-diesel-pickup-arrives-in-us-next-year-dies/

 John



 Mark Nash wrote:
 I always thought of buying a hybrid...

 ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to 
 say
 that I take my hybrid everywhere I go...

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



 Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
 Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!

 ryan


 D. Ryan Spott
 rsp...@cspott.com



 On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:


 If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
 our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mark Nash wrote:

 LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
 speeding
 across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
 Had 4
 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

 ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

 ...I get 10 on a good day. :)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




 fyi, it's not a van...

 http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

 I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
 HAUL).  Had
 to
 settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
 the
 kids,
 heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
 suspension
 (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
 nearly
 a
 foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
 one
 make
 sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

 http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl_sacat=0_fromfsb=_trksid=m270.l1313_odkw=gmc+envoy_osacat=0

 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

 The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
 them,
 didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

 http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

 They have some of those on ebay too:
 http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_pgn=2

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
 since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




 If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
 my main
 benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
 cold just
 do
 not mix.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 
 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:



 I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
 seat.
 I'm
 only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
 totally
 loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
 real flaws.
 I
 did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that
 didn't show
 up
 at first.

 The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything
 else
 sits
 well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
 

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

2009-02-12 Thread reader
And everyone said I was a fool when I said the govenrment needed to stay OUT 
of the broadband business




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- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


 Its what happens when polititions make technical decissions on soemthing
 they no nothing about.
 Most legislators don't realize the implications of the text that was
 written. But the lobby group that suggested the text certainly did.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message - 
 From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


 
 The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.

 AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not

 eligible under the amended Sentate bill

 That is crazy. What is crazier is the other technologies they are
 suggesting...Powerline and PtMP and 100 megs...humm.
 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:

 That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.

 The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
 AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not
 eligible under the amended Sentate bill.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


 I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
 appears
  that it needs to be corrected:
  In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
 
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
  (j)
  DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term advanced
  broadband service means a service delivering data to the end user
  transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream
  and
  at
  least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term advanced wireless
  broadband service means a wireless service delivering to the end user
  data
  transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream 
  and
 at
  least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet
  protocol
  wireless network;
  (3) the term basic broadband service means a service delivering data
  to
  the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
  downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;
 
  So the advanced broadband service is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
  advanced
  broadband service SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and basic broadband service
 SHOULD
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

2009-02-12 Thread reader
I have not had a single customer call or complaint from the users of Avast! 
anti-virus.   It's pretty much just as effective as those phony firewall 
things, and an excellent anti-virus.   Not to mention... it's FREE.A 
sizeable portion of my customer base has switched from Norton and McCaffee 
to Avast! on our reccommendation and as of yet, not one has reported a 
single complaint to me.






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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner


 Get rid of Norton.  It's crap software these days.

 www.trendmicro.com or www.stop-sign.com are much better.  Norton and 
 MacAfee
 make my phone ring all of the time.

 Stop Sign has been amazing.
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:52 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner


 We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
 odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
 version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
 that I might Try that you like.

 Steve Barnes
 Executive Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service



 
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Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

2009-02-06 Thread reader
I have used Star-OS as the foundation of my network for 4 years now.I 
have little complaint except for the strangeness of the guys in charge, who 
seem to plot their own course and assume the world will follow them aorund.

Performance is good, there is a short vertical learning curve to getting up 
and running and then some more for advanced stuff.

If you want to use 11a, b, g products, this is a fast and ultimately easy to 
learn system.   The access points are world class in performance as an AP 
and the clients are reasonable priced, though there's now a nicely 
compatible system for $135 that's even FCC cert for everything but the 
ethernet cable.

On the other hand, 11a,b,g standards have glaring deficiencies which show up 
in certain conditions.I am almost exclusively residential and so this 
has proven to be excellent for me, but won't be the best under certain 
circumstances.   However, I'd not use this for extreme speed or high packet 
count conditions.







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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread reader

It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again.   That 
perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)









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- Original Message - 
From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his 
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling. 
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY 
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - ContactyourCongressmen

2009-02-03 Thread reader
thanks Marlon.

I read a rumor about two days ago that said the Senate might not pass, as 
there's at least a couple Democrats who are rather uneasy with all the 
spending and might filibuster it.  Who knows where that goes.

I read somewhere that if we took the bailout money,  and stimulus money that 
has and is expected to be spent, and just divided it among the adults, it 
ends up to be many thousands per working person - something over 10K.   If 
we just let the banks and loans fail and instead, divided up the insurance 
,FDIC obligations, and Freddy and Fannie liabilities, and all the other 
spending among all of us, I understand it would be something like 70K for 
each household.

As it is, I understand that the only real break to people who are not either 
really rich or really poor, is a $500 check.   And heaven only knows when 
that would show up.   And we're borrowing something just less than $3000 per 
man, woman, and child to do this latest one.

I'm not exactly hopeful here.   All the long term prognosticators I read 
are now saying we're headed for certain hyperinflation.

We'd have been better off to let every bank fail that's failing, let Freddie 
and Fannie die, and then hand out the money that we're all liable for just 
to the people.   It would have been enough to restart a whole new economoy.





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From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package - 
ContactyourCongressmen


 My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've 
 known her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally 
 would.  I thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info on 
 how to contact your representatives is listed below

 Hi Cathy,

 I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for 
 trying to stop the madness.

 Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.

 Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded 
 through I hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small 
 businesses with lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take 
 far too long to actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to 
 be greatly streamlined from normal government requirements.

 I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment. 
 (Wireless Internet Service Provider)

 Thanks again for doing the right thing.

 Sincerely,
 Marlon K. Schafer
 Owner
 Odessa Office Equipment
 www.odessaoffice.com

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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 1999!
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 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam




 To all,



 Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives. 
 I just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that 
 everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance 
 WISPs have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future. 
 We can send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets 
 it refined.  I think it is important to get on the radar screen early 
 though.  Make an introduction of your company and your locations



 http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm



 http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml





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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-03 Thread reader
Well, my Caravans both were under $500 and I've gotten a lot of miles for 
that.  I've put perhaps $500 total into repairing them in the last two 
years, as well.  Of course, I do my own mechanic work.  I'm better than 
almost any shop you can find, so why would I pay for inferior work?

I guess it mostly boils down to how much depreciation you want to pay for, 
and are you willing to have down time now and then.   I just have an extra 
rig, so... no problem.   Not everyone wants to put up with that.   It's 
really a cost/return/value thing.




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- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


I am looking for a cost effective vehicle.  Anything heavy will do the
 job of teaching ricers a lesson.  Like an H1.

 On 2/3/09, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote:
 Correct, only going off of your statement of 16sec (chuckle) and putting
 away a couple Civics.  That truly must be one fast Goat!   grin

 Just ribb'n ya Mark.  Now back to our regular programming...

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:42 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 It's ok.  You don't know my truck.  I do.

 I've put fast ricers away on the street.   And they never try again. 
 That
 perfectly aimed exhaust teaches :)








 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Lol...16sec 1/4 won't be nearly enough to stay in front of this 
 particular
 Excursion and I highly doubt shaved tires will bring you to 15sec.

 In fact a quick youtube search comes up with a couple high 15sec low 
 16sec
 Excursions in STOCK trim.

 16sec must only feel fast in a Dodge Goatgrin


 Brad



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 6:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from 
 a
 dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

 Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his
 excursion
 would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

 I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and
 trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still 
 netted
 me 10.5 - 11 mpg .




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not 
 so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still 
 gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.
 It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel 
 it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY
 Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge 
 (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg






 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
We use an old Dodge Caravan.   These have drip rails on them to fasten 
standard ladder racks to, and carry ladders on a rack nicely.  We can put 
our 28 footer on it ok.  It overhangs the front bumper a little, but it's 
ok.

I have two of them, and in the last 3 year's we've racked up about 75,000 
miles between them.

We're now in the same place you are...  ONe's got 210K miles and the other 
isn't far behind.  I'm not sure what to replace them with.
We now have a bucket truck, so I'm thinking we're going to switch to a less 
boxy rig.   Perhaps a PT Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee.  Although, Im still open 
to finding another manual transmission Dodge Caravan.The Caravans are 
hard to beat.   Especially the 4 cyl manual.   Even loaded with ladders and 
junk and driven most of the time with the foot near the floor, they manage 
to get 20-24 mpg.  And they just keep on chugging.  Should you break 
something, they're really cheap to fix.   And Ive been off road, through 
deep snow, mud, fields, you name it.   The only thing the offroading 
adventures have done is bend the oil pan :(  Bad enough to wrinkle and 
spring a leak...




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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 to put al our stuff in.

 Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
 wouldn't be asking :(

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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
Nonsense.



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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


I had many work vehicles. The best performing were:
 1) Chevy Astro Cargo Van
 2) Toyota Tacoma
 3) Ford E250
 *Dont do Dodge, you'll be sorry!
 -RickG

 On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 to put al our stuff in.

 Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
 wouldn't be asking :(

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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
My 93 dodge diesel w/auto generally got about 18 while using it as a service 
rig.   That included lots of idling, driving in town, etc.   Not to mention, 
if you pushed the go pedal it would outrun any other stuck truck.





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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


A diesel truck would get you significantly better mileage.


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 From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:22 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 We bought our tower crew a 2006 Dodge Ram Extended Cab Truck, w/full
 Service
 Box on EBay for $8000 in August.  It was a previous ATM service vehicle
 with
 100,000 miles on it but was extremely clean.  We did change a universal
 joint in a power shaft but other than that, there wasn't much wrong with
 it.
 Gas mileage is not so good, but it has been a great vehicle so far.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K
 new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it
 takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over
 and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price.

 I added a ladder rack:
 http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.j
 pg
 I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed.

 I also have a RAM mount:
 http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop
 so it does not slide through my windshield.

 This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built,
 good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat.

 ryan

 Josh Luthman wrote:
 What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 to put al our stuff in.

 Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
 wouldn't be asking :(




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
THAT is the best part of all.




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From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Ya but it's a Dodge ducking

 Travis
 Microserv

 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 My '07 dodge Cummins gets 20mpg all day long.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 12:02 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 A Dodge diesel will get you between 20 and 25 mpg, pretty much no matter
 what you have in the back.


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 From: Travis Johnson
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:59 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 We generally see 16mpg average (city driving, freeway at 80mph, etc.) with
 500-700 pounds of gear in the back.

 Travis


 Matt wrote:
 We buy brand new Chevy Silverado 4x4 long-bed V6 work trucks. We tried

 What kind of mpg you get out of them?

 Matt

  the buy cheap and fix it when it breaks, but that doesn't work for us
 anymore. We can't have a vehicle out of service for 2-3 days because we
 give up 4-6 installs during that time. We get a $500 Lowe's card when we
 buy, so we use that to get toolboxes for the truck, and then we buy a
 $200 ladder rack off ebay.

 We also install our standard GPS tracking system, and have the truck
 decals put on. Takes us about a week from start to finish to get a new
 truck ready to go.


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

2009-02-02 Thread reader
I'd like to ponit out that the article leaves out some information, and it 
leaves you with a false impression because of it.  It made note of the 
price of broadband being cheaper in Japan and other places.   That's true, 
but much of the infrastructure was funded by tax dollars, instead of the 
customers of the ISP's.

I believe if this were properly acounted for, internet would be cheapest in 
the US, and more everywhere else.   It's not the price, it's the COST that 
matters, and cost must include the publicly financed portions of the 
equation.   Everyone pays for that, not everyone uses it, and that cost is 
rarely factored in these articles.   That leaves a false impression of it 
being cheap, which it is not and has not ever been.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ


 Congress Approves Broadband to Nowhere
 Why the U.S. lags in Internet speed.

*
  By L. GORDON CROVITZ


 In Japan, wireless technology works so well that teenagers draft novels on
 their cellphones. People in Hong Kong take it for granted that they can
 check their BlackBerrys from underground in the city's subway cars. Even 
 in
 France, consumers have more choices for broadband service than in the U.S.

 The Internet may have been developed in the U.S., but the country now 
 ranks
 15th in the world for broadband penetration. For those who do have access 
 to
 broadband, the average speed is a crawl, moving bits at a speed roughly
 one-tenth that of top-ranked Japan. This means a movie that can be
 downloaded in a couple of seconds in Japan takes half an hour in the U.S.
 The BMW 7 series comes equipped with Internet access in Germany, but not 
 in
 the U.S.
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 editorials
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 So those of us otherwise wary of how wisely the stimulus package will be
 spent were happy to suspend disbelief when Congress invited ideas on how 
 to
 upgrade broadband. Maybe there are shovel-ready programs to bring 
 broadband
 to communities that private providers have not yet reached, and to upgrade
 the speed of accessing the Web. These goals sound like the digital-era
 version of Eisenhower's interstate highway projects, this time bringing
 Americans as consumers and businesspeople closer together on a faster
 information highway.

 But broadband, once thought to be in line for $100 billion as part of the
 stimulus legislation, ended up a low priority, set to get well under $10
 billion in the package of over $800 billion. This is a reminder that even
 with a new president whose platform focused on technology, and even with 
 the
 fully open spigot of a stimulus bill, technology gets built by private
 capital and initiative and not by government.

 The relatively small appropriation is not for want of trying. A partial 
 list
 of the lobbying groups involved in the process is a reminder of how
 Washington's return to industrial policy requires lobbying by all: the
 Information Technology Industry Council, Telecommunications Industry
 Association, National Cable  Telecommunications Association,
 Fiber-to-the-Home Council, National Association of Telecommunications
 Officers and Advisors, National Telecommunications Cooperative 
 Association,
 Independent Telephone and Telecommunications Alliance and Organization for
 the Promotion and Advancement of Small Telecommunications Companies.

 The result was a relatively paltry $6 billion for broadband in the House
 bill and $9 billion in the Senate, with each bill micromanaging the 
 spending
 differently. The bills include different standards, speeds and other
 requirements for providers that would use the public funds. This may 
 balance
 competing interests among cable, telecom and local phone companies, but it
 doesn't address the underlying problems of too few providers delivering 
 too
 few options to consumers.

 Techies may be surprised by how these funds would be dispersed. The House
 would give the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service control
 over half the grants and the Commerce Department's National
 Telecommunications and Information Administration control of the other 
 half.
 Tax credits would have been a faster way to make a difference than
 government agencies dividing spoils across the country.

 The House bill also calls for open access. This phrase can include 
 hugely
 controversial topics such as net neutrality, which in its most radical
 version would bar providers from charging different amounts for different
 kinds of broadband content. Now that video, conferencing and other
 heavy-bandwidth applications are growing in popularity, price needs to be
 one tool for allocating scarce resources. Analysts at 

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
What's wrong with a PT for service runs?   Good economy (stick, not auto), 
durable, tolerates our bad roads, since it's engineered as a truck... and 
unique.   With the seats down and whatnot, you can get a lotta stuff into 
it.





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- Original Message - 
From: jree...@18-30chat.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 PT Cruiser?!!   I shudder. I would go for another Caravan. The only
 thing I wish mine had
 was 4wd. I am likely getting a S10 blazer for the rough work.

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 We use an old Dodge Caravan.   These have drip rails on them to fasten
 standard ladder racks to, and carry ladders on a rack nicely.  We can put
 our 28 footer on it ok.  It overhangs the front bumper a little, but it's
 ok.

 I have two of them, and in the last 3 year's we've racked up about 75,000
 miles between them.

 We're now in the same place you are...  ONe's got 210K miles and the 
 other
 isn't far behind.  I'm not sure what to replace them with.
 We now have a bucket truck, so I'm thinking we're going to switch to a 
 less
 boxy rig.   Perhaps a PT Cruiser or Jeep Cherokee.  Although, Im still 
 open
 to finding another manual transmission Dodge Caravan.The Caravans are
 hard to beat.   Especially the 4 cyl manual.   Even loaded with ladders 
 and
 junk and driven most of the time with the foot near the floor, they 
 manage
 to get 20-24 mpg.  And they just keep on chugging.  Should you break
 something, they're really cheap to fix.   And Ive been off road, through
 deep snow, mud, fields, you name it.   The only thing the offroading
 adventures have done is bend the oil pan :(  Bad enough to wrinkle and
 spring a leak...



 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle



 What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 to put al our stuff in.

 Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
 wouldn't be asking :(

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader


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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



 Drawbacks are:
 - when it rains you can't leave the side boxes open
 - for stuff way up in the front of the bed, you have to crawl into it (not
 so easy for me, fairly easy for my 22-yr-old son who uses it)

I started out with a pickup (still have it, but don't use it for that) and 
stopped for each of those reasons.

That getting stuff from the front of the bed was something I just hated.

I've found an AWD cargo Caravan for sale.   No windows in the back.   With 
safety cage and I'd probably put in some cabinetry...   That would work 
quite well.




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 Suite E
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.net
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 We bought our tower crew a 2006 Dodge Ram Extended Cab Truck, w/full
 Service
 Box on EBay for $8000 in August.  It was a previous ATM service vehicle
 with
 100,000 miles on it but was extremely clean.  We did change a universal
 joint in a power shaft but other than that, there wasn't much wrong with
 it.
 Gas mileage is not so good, but it has been a great vehicle so far.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K
 new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it
 takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over
 and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price.

 I added a ladder rack:

 http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.j
 pg
 I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed.

 I also have a RAM mount:
 http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop
 so it does not slide through my windshield.

 This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built,
 good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat.

 ryan

 Josh Luthman wrote:
  What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
  that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
  to put al our stuff in.
 
  Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
  If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
  wouldn't be asking :(
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
Our bucket truck is a Dodge w/cummins and 6 speed.It gets around 16-17 
mpg.

The fuel is only part of the cost of a truck, though.   Tires wear fast, 
cost a lot to replace... diesels cost more for oil and filter changes than 
gas rigs.

However, it's nice to know that there's 325 HP under the hood and it's got 
go anywhere 4WD.





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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9 
 (doesn't
 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with 
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


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 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

 11mpg



 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

2009-02-02 Thread reader
Grin...  My '93 wasn't quite stock, but I used to have a timeslip from a 
dragstrip showing a 16.00 second quarter mile for it.

Some sticky tires would have shaved that to around 15...  And his excursion 
would have been absolutely unable to stay infront of it :)

I towed a trailer form Oregon to Wisconsin and back in '04 and truck and 
trailer were 23K combined.   Even crossing Montana at 75 - 80 still netted 
me 10.5 - 11 mpg .





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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
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Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 Must have a lot of 91 Dodges down there (we have a 91 Cummins...  not so
 much pep compared to the new ones).


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 --
 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 My 2001 7.3L Diesel Excursion that's closing in on 180K miles still gets
 14-20mpg depending on use, how heavy my foot is and what I'm pulling.  It
 used to get better mileage, but after 8 years of just oil and fuel it's
 probably due for a tune up of some kind.

 It does have a custom chip  exhaust that keeps me in front of ANY Diesel
 Dodge I've run across.  grin

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 Fords have terrible mileage.  Our 2008 (I think) F-550 gets about 9
 (doesn't

 pull anything).  Completely irresponsible when a stock 2006 Dodge (with
 OEM
 software upgrades) with a 2 ton camper in the bed pulls 21.5 in hilly
 terrain.


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 http://www.ics-il.com



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 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:22 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

 I just bought a 2008 Ford super duty van.

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Re: [WISPA] OMG...

2009-02-01 Thread reader
I dunno Marlon.   There's nowhere to run.   Everywhere else in the world is 
going to be worse off than here.

A few days ago I read one of those investor intelligence sites and the 
author had pointed out that the middle east is buying gold.  Hundreds of 
billions of dollars worth from many different nations.  They're going to try 
to create a new gold-backed currency and demand everyone buy oil with their 
currency... for the rest of us that means gold.   You know that won't work.

Currently, money is fleeing the hedge funds and mutual funds and money 
market funds and is being tossed into federal bonds.   That means, 
basically, that the world has stopped investing, and is likely out of cash 
or has decided to not part with it.  It takes little to no imagination to 
realize that our government's not going to be able to borrow a lot more 
without running the interest rate up.  At that point, if we print money... 
hyperinflation.  If we don't, deflation.

Either way, our industry is totaly dependent upon imports and imports are 
just not going to be happening if our money is worthless overseas.

We'd be far wiser to invest in PRODUCTION capabilities here, so we can still 
have an industry.   If you can't buy equipment, your business is hosed. 
What would it take to put something that's standardized and commoditized 
into production?

 I, for one, am paying off my home, cars, what little credit cards I have 
over the next 6 months.

And not going to into debt again.

Sadly, our governments (federal state and local) consume over 40% of 
everything we produce.   We need to cut that back to half or less, so we can 
both invest and buy, and pay our debts as citizens and producers.   and we 
need to let the non-productive stuff fold, and let everything that produces 
wealth go as unhindered as possible.

But nobody is talking about that.   Nope, they've whipped out the plastic 
and intend to spend 5 trillion this year alone, at the federal level... out 
of a 14 trillion dollar economy.   It's insanity.





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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


 I'll be personally lobbying AGAINST the porkbarrle bill.  Giving more 
 money
 to the liars, cheats, and thieves that trashed consumer (stock market
 investors and purchasers) confidence in the first place isn't going to 
 help
 anyone.  In fact it's likely to make people hold on to their money even
 tighter.

 After nearly a decade of having a LOT of money on credit cards (some as 
 high
 as 30%) we're paying off the first one in the next few days.  Another one
 should fall in 2 or 3 months.  By the end of the year, all things staying 
 as
 they are now, we'll have nearly all of it paid off.

 Till now I've been building and building and building. Now I'm gonna pull
 that back a bit and go into survival mode.  Even though things are NOT 
 tight
 for us right now.  If things really do go to hell in a hand basket I want 
 to
 be ready for it.  If they only go to hell I want to be ready to pick up my
 competitors at the fire sales.

 More government debt and/or money to my competitors won't make me spend
 money.  And spending is what it'll take to get things rolling nicely 
 again.

 So here's my plan.  I'm gonna try to get this abomination stopped.  If
 (actually when) I fail at that I'll work to make sure that I get as much 
 of
 it as I can.  They WILL spend it.  Might as well come my direction.

 In the old days our forefathers ran to America to get away from oppressive
 government.  Where are we supposed to run?  Anyone want to help me start a
 colony on the moon?

 deep sigh
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...



 On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:03 PM, RickG wrote:

 But...IF it collapses, your $200k is worthless :)

 That's what I meant by tails I win, heads you lose ;-).

 Chuck


 Also, you didnt say what time frame for the collapse to happen.
 Just my silly obsevation :)
 -RickG

 On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartosch
 ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote:
 Tell ya what Mark. I'll bet you $10,000 the collapse won't happen.
 No,
 let's make it $100,000. Now, I'm serious! I'll even give you 2:1
 odds.
 I'll give you $200,000 if it collapses. Deal?

 (Of course, ha gotta love these tales I win, heads you lose kind of
 bets ;-).

 Chuck

 On Jan 29, 2009, at 11:58 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 Some of the financial and economic advisors I 

Re: [WISPA] OMG...

2009-01-30 Thread reader

Hell no.  I won't take free money without strings.

I have to sleep at night.




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- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


 Hi,

 As I mentioned before, I don't want the hand-out either. The problem is,
 I don't want my competition to get any free money either (including
 cable or DSL). So, what do we do? The only option I see is to ask for
 our fair share, so we can stay on even ground.

 Travis
 Microserv

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are 
 in
 deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless all
 this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a
 currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.

 I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the pork
 barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR them.

 You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if I 
 can.
 If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of you 
 care
 about our future so long as you get your handout NOW.





 
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Re: [WISPA] OMG...

2009-01-30 Thread reader
How could it be off-topic?   This list is soliciting money to lobby for pork 
barrell spending.





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From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
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Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG...


 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are 
 in
 deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless all
 this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a
 currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.

 And there are other financial and economic advisors who believe the
 opposite - that some short-term deficit spending will help bail the
 economy out. I don't have a doctorate in macroeconomics, and I'm
 assuming you don't either, so our opinions are both worth approximately
 nothing. In any event, it's probably off-topic for this list.

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[WISPA] OMG...

2009-01-29 Thread reader
Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are in 
deadly serious mode and I believe them.   They're saying that unless all 
this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a 
currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness.

I can't believe a single one of us would be in favor of any of the pork 
barrell bills in Congress, much less raising money to lobby FOR them.

You want to lobby AGAINST there being any pork bills, I'll donate if I can. 
If you're going to lobby for them, I can only surmise than none of you care 
about our future so long as you get your handout NOW.






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Re: [WISPA] Bad install days

2009-01-28 Thread reader
We assess things on a case by case.

I've been on snow covered roofs before.  I stay off the steep ones when it's 
wet or possibly frosty or icy.

So far, we've only had a couple customers we've had to delay stuff for over 
the last year or two.

cold?   We got us a portable heater on a propane tank.   just someting to 
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- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days


I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are
 scheduled and the weather is bad.  The problems I see are safety, not
 seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work
 in.

 Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks
 like bubblewrap on my car.

 I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and
 reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a
 half day if things lighten up.

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

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[WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...

2009-01-21 Thread reader
I deployed my first Bullet5 today.   Not the high power, but the standard.

throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 
combo and the Bullet.   The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression 
and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point.

I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my 
star-os AP's.

They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas.

Summary...  1 bullet5,  1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal 
mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete.   Even nicer???

The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible 
after you mount and aim it.

 Just FYI...  The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in.   No need 
for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network.

Opinion I like them.







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