Re: [WISPA] 11n CPE?

2009-04-01 Thread tonylist
Rogelio

We will have one ready very soon, are you looking for 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz?

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 


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Subject: [WISPA] 11n CPE?

Are there 802.11n CPE devices?  (I haven't seen any)




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Re: [WISPA] Billing and process management system

2008-12-04 Thread tonylist
I debated on whether to put this out there but since Tim did what the heck
:) Demarc has been working on something like this for the past few months
and will soon have a demo site up for people to take a look at our offer.
But to give you the basis:
- Our solutions will have about 95% of what both PowerCode and Avansu are
offering out of the box and 100% soon after.
- We already have our AP and CPE code ported to IXP425 and Atheros SoC
boards and plan on supporting what WISP use in the market place.
- Once the product is announced we are going to be adding feature support
based on customer feedback in a major way, as long as we get a good amount
of feedback about a feature its going in :)
- We will be adding support for all the major AP software like Star-OS and
MT via what every interface they allow so WISP do not need to change our any
existing hardware.
- Because we will control all the software and firmware we will be adding
many special features that one could only do with this type of control, more
on this later :) 
- We will have many models to work with any WISP setup, from the basic where
we host the system on our double redundant servers to an onsite install of
the code. 
- Now for the fun part this will be a no cost system for all Demarc hardware
customers! Yes its 100% free ;) Any hardware that is not Demarc will have
licensing, which is yet to be setup, but to be sure it will be very
reasonable.

With this all said, I am looking for any feedback from WISPA and their
members on what they are looking for. Also so you all understand this
project was started with Whitespace solutions in mind and what it's going to
need to develop a product line, no more can end WISP create a design and use
it like they did with 2.4Ghz.


Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:27 PM
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Tim,

Now that you have made your shameless self promotion sales pitch :-)  I 
thought I'd scrutinize your comments, palying devils advocate :-)

I have not looked at your BOSS software or Firmwre, so I am asking blind at 
this point. But I am interested in your perspective, since you are 
interested in WISP markets.

 AP and CPE devices will need to use our firmware but
 once installed can be managed from anywhere. We currently have our 
 firmware
 ported to half a dozen devices and we're working on adding more ports all
 the time.

The above was the key comment that got my attention, and how that would 
reflect the reality of what could be a viable target market..

Is it really realistic to use a BOSS provider's Firmware on APs and CPEs? 
Come on WISPs have graduated basic Wifi APs and CPEs. It has taken 
almost a decade for the Firmware leaders of today to develop feature rich 
products that WISPs can actually count on working well enough for commercial

deployment. (examples... Mikrotik, StarOS, Ligowave, etc).
Why would a WISP risk a tried and true solution to convert to something new,

just for integration into a BOSS system? Could they risk that?  Thats like 
going to a CLEC provider and saying... We have this new BOSS system, would 
you mind just throwing away all your CISCOs..  Generally what WISPs would 
want more is a BOSS system that could integrate will all their pre-eixsting 
diverse product lines. As a WISP, we all know there are a lot of tools in 
the toolbox, and there is the right tool for each type of job. Even the 
WISPs most religious to staying true to one brand have branched out to use 
many different product lines, because technical reasons and differences in 
their technology forced them to, if they wanted to stay competitive.  I 
would find it more viable to have a agent application that could be 
integrated into pre-existing OS, to add compatibility. (although that could 
also be a huge task technically, and politically also)

When a BOSS requires its own Firmware for devices, it usually means that the

WISPs will now need two BOSS systems. One for their new proprietary system, 
and one for all their other stuff. That means duplication of ALL costs. 
Labor, hardware, CC processing, learning curve, documentation, etc, etc. So 
teh service subscribption could no longer be justified as a time saver, as 
it would be yet another application added to the list to manage.  Also 
note a platform change is not jsut a technology change, it is also a process

change.

Do not misunderstand me, I am NOT Bashing your product. I'm just sharing the

first thoughts that came to my mind, when I don't yet understand your 
product, and it would potentually be a thought likely to cross other WISP's 
minds.

How do you feel your product, will or could fit into an existing WISP's 

Re: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points

2008-11-25 Thread tonylist
Josh

https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-i.htm

We can work with WISPA members at $89.99 for any qty.

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Subject: [WISPA] Indoor Access Points

I am looking to see what other members use for indoor access points.
Primarily I'm looking for a residential install and hotels.

I've been using the Senao/Engenius equipment for quite a while but I have
encountered several issues over the years and I am hoping to find a
replacement low-cost product.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Good 24vdc to 48vdc up converter

2008-07-29 Thread tonylist
Had these made for our units:

https://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_34/produc
ts_id/247?osCsid=4ga5ta6aaupft1nh2pi7b1qkl0

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Anyone have a good DC-DC converter they like to buy. We've got 24v
batteries, powering 24v canopy gear and 48v redline and Imagestream gear.

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

2008-07-27 Thread tonylist
And if you could get then what you do with them??  Wimax mini-pci are client
side only there is no way to use them as a Wimax base stations. The protocol
does not allow for it and there is allot more to a base then a radio and
software.  This is not to say someone could not hack a radio and hal to do
something that is not Wimax :) But they would still need a license from
Wavesat to do this.


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Subject: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?

There's a lot of buzz about the Wavesat engineered minipci's and their 
supposedly sub-$100 price tag.

Anyone know more about this?





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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

2008-07-24 Thread tonylist
They are made by compex:
http://www.compex.com.sg/home/products1.asp?20070314532323


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Subject: [WISPA Members] Freespace Systems Introduces the first 1, 000mW
High Performance 802.11b/g Radio

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080723/20080723006177.html?.v=1

I got a couple of these in my hands to sample yesterday. Haven't had a 
chance to experiment with them yet.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-30 Thread tonylist
Mike

It is a bit too early to say right now, once the MAC is done we will have a
better idea.

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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

When will we see your equipment?


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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative



 Mike

 - You really need to read the full 802.22 spec :) There is A LOT more than
 just channel bonding that make 802.22 good.
 - 6Mhz is more than enough for all WISPs needs when it's used correctly,
 again (I know) not 802.11
 - 3.65Mhz is just in the startup Wimax was first to hit the street but 
 this
 will be changing. So Demarc will have a 3.65Ghz base unit and CPE with our
 own MAC base on top of the Atheros radio that takes full advantage of the
 50Mhz. So the costs for the base and CPE will not be much higher than 
 2.4Ghz
 is now :) This also will help 900Mhz.

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 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:19 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

 802.22 sounds good if the channel bonding makes it through to the end and 
 is

 usable.  THAT would be wonderful.  If not, 6 MHz isn't going to get us 
 very
 far in terms of delivering real throughput to any significant number of
 users.

 Price always comes into play and if we're looking at $10k APs and $800 CPE
 like we are for 3.65, again, that won't fly with a typical WISP.


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 Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per 
CPE??
 Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company,
 these
 prices would not make scenes in either case.  On top of this, cost of the
 equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a 
 differences
 in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and 
 there
 just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real throughput requires that
 much
 per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE
 difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy
 in
 these frequencies ranges.

 My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to
 say
 in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending
 on
 what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can
 get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at
 it
 for the best WISP solutions for most of the country.

 Comments Welcome! :)


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com




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 Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM
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 Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K 
 per
 AP and 800 per CPE.




 
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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM
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 Mike

 I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 
 802.11
 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio
 designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create
 channels
 using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I
 could
 have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range.

 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make 
 use
 of any spectrum very efficiently.


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com





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Re: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

2008-06-30 Thread tonylist
We are looking into this now, it looks like it can all me done in the
MAC/HAL the way the spec is done but it's still a wait and see.  We are
looking at ways to do more of a pre-802.11y, as long as it passes the FCC
muster we are good.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 802.11y future and vendors?

A friend and I are looking into the future of 802.11y as well as vendors 
who support it.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this in either of these two areas?




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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-30 Thread tonylist
Tom

You are still thinking like an 802.11 only protocol :)  I can see you have
your mind set, once things get closer to having real product then this would
be a more valuable thread, until then!



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Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 2:42 PM
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Tony,

Real throughput requires that much
 per sector.

That is incorrect. It requires that much per sector when the sector is a 
wide beam PtMP sector, and when there is tons of interference because the 
band is shared by many. If one provider controls 20Mhz, spectrum reuse can 
be engineered very easily. That is the big scare here. If a maga company
(the only ones largest enough to win Auctions) was to be granted 20Mhz 
of spectrum for broadband, it will enable a huge amount of services to be
offered.
A real threat to existing WISPs as far as competition goes.  And being 
forced to give 20% of it away for free is worse.  The 20% that they chose to

give it to free to, will likely be the person that sends in a competitive 
bid from you the pre-existing local WISP. If they can't beat you, give it 
away to put the pressaure on you, after all tehy are just meeting their 
auction requirements, that they have to do any way. why not kill two birds 
with one stone.

PtMP are not the only applications. A little GPS sync, and many PTP 
connections can work from a single location, enabling expansion of one's 
network very easilly. I can see it now... a 4 port starOS box (mesh radio)
with 4 PtP stars, each 
5 mhz, enabling 10 mbps minimum per sector, more than the typical PtMP 
sector my network had when it started 6 years ago.  Wireless networks aren;t

going to stay 100% wireless transport networks. Fiber is going to start to 
be available at more and more street corners (figure of speach). Start 
combineing 3650, 2155, 700Mhz, licensed technology, and all togeather bit by

bit, it grows to be a large amount.

I'd kill to get 20Mhz more spectrum at some of my cell sites. I ahve cell 
sites where 5.8Ghz gives me 180 degrees before I run out of spectrum. I 
could get 90 degrees more with another 20Mhz. Its all about mix and 
matching.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE??
 Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, 
 these
 prices would not make scenes in either case.  On top of this, cost of the
 equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences
 in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there
 just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real throughput requires that 
 much
 per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE
 difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy 
 in
 these frequencies ranges.

 My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to 
 say
 in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending 
 on
 what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can
 get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at 
 it
 for the best WISP solutions for most of the country.

 Comments Welcome! :)


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

 Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per
 AP and 800 per CPE.




 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


 Mike

 I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11
 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio
 designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create 
 channels
 using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I 
 could
 have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range.

 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use
 of any 

[WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-06-30 Thread tonylist
Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is looking
for, if there are any questions or comments feel free.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com


Tony:
Thank you for your inquiry.

In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment
authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz band.
This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the
requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation.  Thus all
of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support
that for similar types of systems.  They do not provide for recognizing and
coexistence with other dissimilar systems.  

In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the
system has to demonstrate coexistence with different protocols.  At the
present time the Commission reviews each application on its merit to
determine if the system meets the requirements for such unrestricted
operation. The Commission is monitoring the progress of IEEE 802.16h and
802.11y working groups in terms of their plans to extend their respective
protocols to support coexistence.  We are encouraged by this development and
think that they are in the right direction.  However, it is not a
precondition for authorization.  In the absence of any industry standard, we
treat each application on a case-by-case basis.  One of the tests we do
apply is the co-existence analysis recommendation currently under review by
the 802.19 committee.  We would expect to see some simulation to show how
the proposed system would behave in the presence of other systems, the
back-off strategies employed and approaches to fair sharing mechanisms.  

Please let us know if you have further questions.
Thank you,
Rashmi Doshi, PhD
Chief, FCC Laboratory Division





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Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

2008-06-29 Thread tonylist
Mike

Right now it is in draft but very close to going to the next stage. But
there is a lot more going on here than just a standard. 
- The 802.22 is setting a precedence, besides the engineers that are
creating 802.22 also involved are the incumbents that hold the TV channels
and they have been very valuable in making the standard will not interface
with digital TV and vice versa. And the FCC has to be an integrated part to
make 802.22 THE standard for data whitespace as they have with ATSC, the
only way this is going to happen is if every WISP gets involved now.
- We need to get the FCC to do a light licensed in the same way
3.65Ghz has been done, at least for part of the band. The channels we are
talking about are VHF and UHF from 2-51 (not including 37) which are as
follows for the US:

VHF UHF UHF
UHF
Channel Frequency   Channel Frequency   Channel Frequency
Channel Frequency
2   54Mhz   14  471.25Mhz   27
549.25Mhz   40  627.25Mhz
3   60Mhz   15  477.25Mhz   28
555.25Mhz   41  633.25Mhz
4   66Mhz   16  483.25Mhz   29
561.25Mhz   42  639.25Mhz
5   76Mhz   17  489.25Mhz   30
567.25Mhz   43  645.25Mhz
6   82Mhz   18  495.25Mhz   31
573.25Mhz   44  651.25Mhz
7   174Mhz  19  501.25Mhz   32
579.25Mhz   45  657.25Mhz
8   180Mhz  20  507.25Mhz   33
585.25Mhz   46  663.25Mhz
9   186Mhz  21  513.25Mhz   34
591.25Mhz   47  669.25Mhz
10  192Mhz  22  519.25Mhz   35
597.25Mhz   48  675.25Mhz
11  198Mhz  23  525.25Mhz   36
603.25Mhz   49  681.25Mhz
12  204Mhz  24  531.25Mhz   37*
609.25Mhz   50  687.25Mhz
13  210Mhz  25  537.25Mhz   38
615.25Mhz   51  693.25Mhz
26  543.25Mhz   39
621.25Mhz   52  699.25Mhz
* Cannot be used

As you can see there is a large jump from VHF to UHF. We have already
confirmed we can make two radios, one for the lower VHF bands covering the
156Mhz that could be used as well as one to cover UFH which is 228Mhz wide.
From a manufacturing perspective it is not cost effective to make a radio
that covers 645Mhz, even 228Mhz is pushing it. 

- From the table above it seems very simple, to me at lease, use VHF for the
Wireless Innovation Alliance
(http://www.wirelessinnovationalliance.com/index.cfm) and UFH for WISP using
part 90 light licensed using 802.22 in this part of the band.
- The reason for this is two-fold, first the incumbents are already
working with 802.22 and without them on our side it is going to be very hard
to get this done. Don't forget DTV is first tier in the band everything else
is 2nd tier we must not interface and the 802.22 protocol make sure of this.
Second, is the flip side, the WIA does not have the incumbents support (from
what I read anyone this is my option only!) and it trying to make the white
space another Wifi which as all WISP know will not work well for outdoor
networks!

- I highly recommend that everyone takes the time to read the FULL 802.22
spec as it really is all WISP have ever wanted in a protocol! I am CC Carl
Stevenson on this email as he is the chair of IEEE 802.22 and he can double
check the above to make sure there are no issues.

- Comments?

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:32 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces

What is the status of this?  I am investigating it more since Tony made
reference to 802.22.  I became interested when I saw a provision for channel
bonding.

Have there been any references to a 3.65 esque license so the bands won't be
filled with junk?


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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-29 Thread tonylist

Mike

- It's not just a single antenna on one channel, I am talking about channel
reuse. Again need to stop thinking 802.11
- It is possible to have 50Mb-60Mb real data in a 70Mb/7Mhz channel with the
right MAC and PHY and in real deployments.
- The only reason a single user could use all the bandwidth is because the
protocol does not have a dynamic polling algorithm, again not 802.11 :)

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

What equipment lets me have 1 GB of throughput on a single site in only 20 
MHz of available frequency?

WISPs need to be able to deploy 10 megabit plus pipes to the home.  A single

user then chews up most of your 3.5 or 7 MHz channel.

I know physics comes into play.  I know government policy comes into play. 
I know money comes into play.  The above is what we should be striving for.


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Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


 Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per
 AP and 800 per CPE.




 
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 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


 Mike

 I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11
 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio
 designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create 
 channels
 using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I 
 could
 have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range.

 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use
 of
 any spectrum very efficiently.


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

 Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for 
 free
 access there.

 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real
 throughput requires that much per sector.


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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


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 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:56 PM
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http://telephonyonline.com/external.html?q=http://www.pcworld.com/businessce

nter/article/147485/fcc_member_lessig_unveil_us_broadband_initiative.html

 Looks like this could be the start of a good thing. The mention freeing
 up
 more spectrum for wireless.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-29 Thread tonylist

Mike

- You really need to read the full 802.22 spec :) There is A LOT more than
just channel bonding that make 802.22 good.
- 6Mhz is more than enough for all WISPs needs when it's used correctly,
again (I know) not 802.11
- 3.65Mhz is just in the startup Wimax was first to hit the street but this
will be changing. So Demarc will have a 3.65Ghz base unit and CPE with our
own MAC base on top of the Atheros radio that takes full advantage of the
50Mhz. So the costs for the base and CPE will not be much higher than 2.4Ghz
is now :) This also will help 900Mhz.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

802.22 sounds good if the channel bonding makes it through to the end and is

usable.  THAT would be wonderful.  If not, 6 MHz isn't going to get us very 
far in terms of delivering real throughput to any significant number of 
users.

Price always comes into play and if we're looking at $10k APs and $800 CPE 
like we are for 3.65, again, that won't fly with a typical WISP.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


I clearly understand this, where did you get $50k per AP and $800 per CPE??
 Wimax? I would not care if a WISP had the money of a cellular company, 
 these
 prices would not make scenes in either case.  On top of this, cost of the
 equipment was not the point, but I am fully aware this makes a differences
 in a WISP business. My point is simply to the quote 20 MHz here and there
 just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real throughput requires that 
 much
 per sector. Which is 100% wrong 20Mhz here and there will make a HUGE
 difference to WISP as long as you have cost effective equipment to deploy 
 in
 these frequencies ranges.

 My prediction is over the next 18-36 months is any WISP that is going to 
 say
 in the business will start to migrate fully over to 3.65Ghz and depending 
 on
 what happens with white space, which is the holy grail for WISP if we can
 get 802.22 as the standard like ATSC is for digital TV, start looking at 
 it
 for the best WISP solutions for most of the country.

 Comments Welcome! :)


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:58 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

 Tony, the average Wisp is NOT a cellular company and cannot invest 50K per
 AP and 800 per CPE.




 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative


 Mike

 I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11
 devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio
 designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create 
 channels
 using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I 
 could
 have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range.

 802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use
 of any spectrum very efficiently.


 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
 http://www.demarctech.com





 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

 Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for 
 free
 access there.

 20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real
 throughput requires that much per sector.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


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 From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:56 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative





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nter/article/147485/fcc_member_lessig_unveil_us_broadband_initiative.html

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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-29 Thread tonylist
I agree with you 100% right now they are not and I should make the point
that what I am talking about is what will be coming down the line in the
next 18-24 months. I understand most WISP are in the here and now :) But
with this said things are in the works.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

The problem, here Tony, is that the MAC's and PHY that accomlishes this kind
of performance isn't built into chipsets that are mass produced like
consumer chipsets are.   Even I'm going to end up with Atheros based 3.6 ghz
products, because nothing else currently makes any sense at all, dollar
wise.  And with prices like that, there is simpluy NO way to market to
consumers.

The performance levels ou're talking about will never be sold for numbers
less than what I said and Mike seconded.   And with the trends in currency
value we're seeing,  it's very doubtful it will ever reach that low.



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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative



 Mike

 - It's not just a single antenna on one channel, I am talking about 
 channel
 reuse. Again need to stop thinking 802.11
 - It is possible to have 50Mb-60Mb real data in a 70Mb/7Mhz channel with 
 the
 right MAC and PHY and in real deployments.
 - The only reason a single user could use all the bandwidth is because the
 protocol does not have a dynamic polling algorithm, again not 802.11 :)

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-29 Thread tonylist
Crap this was a typo should have been 10Mhz channel. Also right now 802.16m
and LTE are doing 5bits/Hertz that has happen in field tests.  Most of what
I am talking about is OFDMA, MIMO with some type of advanced antenna system.
I have seen test of AAS that are very cost effective it's just a matter of
getting this all into a single package to be cost effective. Point is as
these chipsets start to hit mass market we can start finding ways of using
them :)

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

Personally, I really wonder if it is possible to have 10 bits/HZ that a 60
Mbps channel in 6 MHz would have.  8VSB of HDTV was pretty advanced when it
was originally proffered as a standard. It does 19.2 Mbps in a 6 MHz
channel.  Or approx 3 bits / Hz.  That seems to be the upper limit of many
systems these days.  To triple this with any kind of realistic C/I ration
will be a wondrous method of modulation.  No doubt you could do it with
2048QAM with 1 KW behind it, but that is not reality AFAIK.  If this
modulation exists, please point me toward a reference work so I can become
less ignorant.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 9:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

The problem, here Tony, is that the MAC's and PHY that accomlishes this kind

of performance isn't built into chipsets that are mass produced like 
consumer chipsets are.   Even I'm going to end up with Atheros based 3.6 ghz

products, because nothing else currently makes any sense at all, dollar 
wise.   And with prices like that, there is simpluy NO way to market to 
consumers.

The performance levels ou're talking about will never be sold for numbers 
less than what I said and Mike seconded.   And with the trends in currency 
value we're seeing,  it's very doubtful it will ever reach that low.





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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative



 Mike

 - It's not just a single antenna on one channel, I am talking about 
 channel
 reuse. Again need to stop thinking 802.11
 - It is possible to have 50Mb-60Mb real data in a 70Mb/7Mhz channel with 
 the
 right MAC and PHY and in real deployments.
 - The only reason a single user could use all the bandwidth is because the
 protocol does not have a dynamic polling algorithm, again not 802.11 :)

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

2008-06-26 Thread tonylist
Mike

I do not agree with this at all. Most WISP are used to using 20Mhz 802.11
devices which are VERY frequency inefficient. With 20Mhz and a radio
designed to make the most use of the spectrum could easily create channels
using 3.5Mhz or 7Mhz in size plus channel reuse and polarizations. I could
have well over 1Gb per cell site with users in the 2-3000 range.

802.22 is working on a protocol that is perfect for WISP and can make use of
any spectrum very efficiently.


Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 





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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative

Hopefully he's not referring to the 20 MHz they're trying to make for free 
access there.

20 MHz here and there just isn't going to work for broadband.  Real 
throughput requires that much per sector.


--
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC Member, Lessig Unveil U.S. Broadband Initiative



http://telephonyonline.com/external.html?q=http://www.pcworld.com/businessce
 nter/article/147485/fcc_member_lessig_unveil_us_broadband_initiative.html

 Looks like this could be the start of a good thing. The mention freeing up
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Re: [WISPA] CPE recommendations?

2008-06-23 Thread tonylist
Rogelio

Just as an FYI we have had customers install our 630mW indoor AP (119.95)
and get better performance over the MetroFlex unit.
https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-i.htm


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I have several apartment complexes with very spotty coverage, and I was 
wondering what type of CPE that people would recommend.

I've been looking at the Ruckus units, particularly the MetroxFlex

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/metroflex/

Anyone else have any experience with these devices?  I'm looking for 
something to limp everyone along until everyone is willing to make a 
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Re: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions

2008-04-20 Thread tonylist
Rogelio

Disappointment is only because of the press. People working on the
designs, development and working with it day to day will tell you that it
works very well based on what the true specs are of both the frequencies and
area being testing in.  Right now the only option you have for Wimax would
be in the 3.65Ghz non-exclusive license which takes a bit more then and ISM
band but thus far looks very promising.  There are only a few companies that
have equipment out right now but this will change in the next few months.
Keep in mind that 3.65Ghz is Part-90 so the equipment MUST be FCC certified
which is very time consuming!

On a side note 99% of the articles I have read are all about Wimax in the
2.3Ghz(US), 2.5Ghz(US) or 3.5Ghz(International) which have nothing to do
with most WISP in the US.

The 802.16* spec was designed from the ground up for the outdoors use of IP
data and to make the most use of the frequencies from 2Ghz to 11Ghz range.
Another note is that the spec is was designed to be used in licensed range
where interface is not an issues, there are some updates to the spec but non
address anything that most WISP see in the real world under the ISM bands.  

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:48 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions

Excuse the ignorance, but two basic questions:

(1) Why exactly is wimax such a disappointment?

I'm relatively new to the wireless space, and all I really understand is the
tone of the articles I read, not really the IEEE specifications that limit
it as a technology.

AND

(2) What is so special about 802.16e?




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Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

2008-03-18 Thread tonylist
FYI we had a 11-28vDC input to 48vDC output unit made for the wind/solar
power design:
http://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_34/product
s_id/247

While there is some energy loss in the conversion the overall cost and
quality of a 12vDC works out better than using a pure 48vDC when you
consider one could use this design to power other non-48vDC systems.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Valenti
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

I think Paul Gipe is a respected name in wind. I was looking at his  
site over the weekend, he has an older review of the Air-X, he seemed  
to think it should really be rated as a 200 watt generator.
http://www.wind-works.org/articles/sm_AirXtest.html
(I see the company has a newer model out now called the Air Breeze,  
rated at 200watts)

He also links to another test site: http://www.detronics.net/ 
airx_report.pdfThey have another report that lists the advantages  
of running a combination of wind+solar to balance things out over the  
year. But I think this is highly variable, depending on an area's  
sunshine and windspeed.

--

Lucaya has complicated things for me by requiring 48V on their new  
radios. (I was just going to run radios directly off 24V batteries)  
Does anyone know about the Powerstream PST-DC2448 (converts DC 24 -  
48V)  http://www.powerstream.com/dc12-48.htm

Or suggestions on other reasonable ways to keep radios running for  
several days of no power?  All my sites have grid power so far, I've  
decided that my best investment is in batteries.


On March 18, at 11:32 AM March 18, Steve wrote:

 At 9500ft the air is pretty thin and you'll get maximum about 70% the
 rated output at comparable wind speeds.  The curve is probably  
 based on
 sea level air density.  The plus side is that you may be in the clouds
 part of the time and enjoy some air laden with moisture.

 --

 Travis Johnson wrote:
 I agree. Wind turbines really only produce about 50% of what they
 claim (even at full wind speed). You will need 4 or 6 of that size
 wind turbine to keep things running.





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[WISPA] Off Grid System Design Comments.

2008-03-17 Thread tonylist
I wanted to get input from the WISPA list about a complete design for a off
grid base station design base on a dual and quad radio system. We have been
looking into this and have come up with a design using both wind and solar
power that will keep a unit up and running 24/7/365. The idea is to have a
complete package design so the base stations can be installed anywhere, but
in order to keep the costs low it would be base on a max 48Watt design. 

Questions:  
1. Is this something WISP would want in the USA, and would find useful?
2. Would you like this in a single package or parts (where a package would
have a 1 year warrantee and parts would not)
3. What are you finding the power needs are at a typical WPOP?
4. Other Comments?






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Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella

2008-02-19 Thread tonylist
We have not hear of any issues but we had 10,000 made with a stronger
adhesive with better temp specs.


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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella

Question was.  Do they last?  In the heat, in the cold??

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We don't use them that much anymore in the new product lines but we do
have
 stock they are .25 each less than 100 and 20 each with 100+.  You can call
 and talk to one of our sales reps to order just reference part number
 MF-SLAD250ADH.

  

 Sincerely, Tony Morella

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 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008

  http://www.demarctech.com http://www.demarctech.com 

  

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella

  

 It was suppose to say Have you had a problem Tony?

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 

 Demarctech has used them for a couple years.  Have you had a problem.  I
 have not had a problem with the ones in the Demarctech products.

 Brian

 Tom DeReggi wrote: 

 Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working 
 out?
  
 I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt
them 
 in, and water proof.
 Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or 
 cold or moisture.
 Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road.
  
 How long are they holding up?
  
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Brian Rohrbacher  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb
  
  
   

 Let me know when you order.  They have a min order number.  I got some a
 couple yrs ago and sold a bunch.  I think you had to order 500-1000.
 Now I am a little low.  I might take some off your hands if you don't
 want that many.
  
 Brian
  
 Travis Johnson wrote:
 

 Hi,
  
 Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting
 routerboards inside cases?
  
 Travis
 Microserv
  
  


 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WLAN stress test uncovers802.11performance problems

2008-02-18 Thread tonylist
Kurt

This is a good point, the CPEs are all sending a signal back to the AP at
random times but as you scale more are hitting at the same time which can
over load the receivers on some AP radios. When you lower the power on the
units that are closer this reduces the total power levels the radio is
seeing at a single moment in time.  In general you want to see the same
single back from all the CPEs to the AP.


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Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WLAN stress test
uncovers802.11performance problems

One thing I have noticed after adding 50+ customers on a omni is that
you get better performance by turning the TX power DOWN on the clients
within 1 mile. I would assume this is so because of some kind of self
interference.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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uncovers802.11performance problems

Jack

I will give in to your challenge, and focus on outdoors setups :) But
first,
I agree with you 100% about your comments; some venders saying add more
APs
will help as well as  their smart systems will solve all their
performance
issues.

We have been watching, talking and helping some of the people involved
in
the so called city wide wifi and many if not all of them are simply
not
adhering to the strengths of wifi and trying to make the protocol do
things
it will not.  When we get calls like this the most common misconceptions
is
they expect laptops to work miles away from the AP, Non-LOS, and Omni
installs to keep it simple. Then we put on our training hats to bring
them
down to earth on what to really expect and how to design a system
correctly.


Ok now to a design ideas, first I want to point out that each design is
going to be different but if the basic concepts are followed it will
work
each and every time.
1. Before any design can be started you really want to get a
base
line as to what one is starting with. We always recommend rents hand
held SA
and do field tests to see what other frequencies are out there being
used
and do your best to triangulate and find out where they are coming from.
This data should be recorded on a map for future reference.
2. 90% of our customers try to find the highest place in the
middle
of the area they are trying to serve, while this could be the best
choice
for a design it's not the only or best one. See if you can service the
same
area from the outside in, for example if you are able to find three
locations on the outer rim of an area and use 120 degree antennas this
will
increase your true coverage area exponentially as the installers now
have
three locations to try vs. one. The latest customer we helped with a
design
went from 25% install rate to 90%, thus it's well worth the costs for
the
extra two locations up front where the costs of a truck role is about
$50
minimum if the customer is installed or not! The first month this design
saved the customer well over $5000 in install fees plus he now over 100
customers generating income that he would not have at this point!
3. Once the locations are found on the tower or building you
REALY
want to avoid installing antennas anywhere near each other. On a tower
try
to install the antennas with 10' vertical separation at a minimum, more
is
better and vertical is more important than horizontal.  Also try to have
2-3' horizontal separation.  Ideally you want to create a spiral stair
case
effect with the antennas. 
4. This is where the setup is very important, you NEED to limit
the
distance of each antennas to be practical. For example if you are in a
rural
area this could be 10+ miles where you do not see any other radio
signals
via the antenna, yes you want to test with an SA directly on the
antennas to
confirm! In 

Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella

2008-02-18 Thread tonylist
We don't use them that much anymore in the new product lines but we do have
stock they are .25 each less than 100 and 20 each with 100+.  You can call
and talk to one of our sales reps to order just reference part number
MF-SLAD250ADH.

 

Sincerely, Tony Morella

Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider

Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008

 http://www.demarctech.com http://www.demarctech.com 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb Ask Tony Morella

 

It was suppose to say Have you had a problem Tony?

Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 

Demarctech has used them for a couple years.  Have you had a problem.  I
have not had a problem with the ones in the Demarctech products.

Brian

Tom DeReggi wrote: 

Well, I'd rather ask... How have the adhesive backed mounts been working 
out?
 
I'm afraid to use them. We use the little golden metal standoffs, bolt them 
in, and water proof.
Afraid the board will come loose and short out, after significant heat or 
cold or moisture.
Accident waiting to happen, a year down the road.
 
How long are they holding up?
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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From: Brian Rohrbacher  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List  mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pcb
 
 
  

Let me know when you order.  They have a min order number.  I got some a
couple yrs ago and sold a bunch.  I think you had to order 500-1000.
Now I am a little low.  I might take some off your hands if you don't
want that many.
 
Brian
 
Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,
 
Who sells the plastic 3M PCB with adhesive backing? Like for mounting
routerboards inside cases?
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11performance problems

2008-02-14 Thread tonylist
Jack

I will give in to your challenge, and focus on outdoors setups :) But first,
I agree with you 100% about your comments; some venders saying add more APs
will help as well as  their smart systems will solve all their performance
issues.

We have been watching, talking and helping some of the people involved in
the so called city wide wifi and many if not all of them are simply not
adhering to the strengths of wifi and trying to make the protocol do things
it will not.  When we get calls like this the most common misconceptions is
they expect laptops to work miles away from the AP, Non-LOS, and Omni
installs to keep it simple. Then we put on our training hats to bring them
down to earth on what to really expect and how to design a system correctly.


Ok now to a design ideas, first I want to point out that each design is
going to be different but if the basic concepts are followed it will work
each and every time.
1. Before any design can be started you really want to get a base
line as to what one is starting with. We always recommend rents hand held SA
and do field tests to see what other frequencies are out there being used
and do your best to triangulate and find out where they are coming from.
This data should be recorded on a map for future reference.
2. 90% of our customers try to find the highest place in the middle
of the area they are trying to serve, while this could be the best choice
for a design it's not the only or best one. See if you can service the same
area from the outside in, for example if you are able to find three
locations on the outer rim of an area and use 120 degree antennas this will
increase your true coverage area exponentially as the installers now have
three locations to try vs. one. The latest customer we helped with a design
went from 25% install rate to 90%, thus it's well worth the costs for the
extra two locations up front where the costs of a truck role is about $50
minimum if the customer is installed or not! The first month this design
saved the customer well over $5000 in install fees plus he now over 100
customers generating income that he would not have at this point!
3. Once the locations are found on the tower or building you REALY
want to avoid installing antennas anywhere near each other. On a tower try
to install the antennas with 10' vertical separation at a minimum, more is
better and vertical is more important than horizontal.  Also try to have
2-3' horizontal separation.  Ideally you want to create a spiral stair case
effect with the antennas. 
4. This is where the setup is very important, you NEED to limit the
distance of each antennas to be practical. For example if you are in a rural
area this could be 10+ miles where you do not see any other radio signals
via the antenna, yes you want to test with an SA directly on the antennas to
confirm! In other locations this could be less than 1 mile.  As an example
let's assume a WISP wants to reach a max of 5 miles, having a person on the
tower to adjust the down tilt, you want to have an install at the 5 mile
mark (and center of antenna be is 180, 120 etc) and tune the strongest
signal at this point.  With this setup you can rest assure that the antennas
will only pick up interference from 5 miles in and not from 5 miles out. The
name of the game with wireless is single to noise levels, lots of signal
will do nothing if there is also lots of noise.
5. The other major issue we see is self interference. If you have
more than one antenna at a locations, you want to test with the SA each
antenna how much it's sees from the other antennas. So for example if you
have three radios at a sight plug the SA in to one antennas and turn on one
radio then the other and see how much signal the antennas pick up from the
other radios and do the same for the other two.  The issue here is even
though each antennas/radio is on a different channel too much power from the
side radios can cause major problems with the receivers, basically
overloading them. This is the major reason you need to have good separation.

There are a few other tricks but I think I have hit on the major ones, I am
sure Jack will fill in if I missed something major. Anyway hope this helps
and if anyone wants to talk more you can hit me off list or call me or my
techs at the office.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 
 
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Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

2008-01-18 Thread tonylist
Tom

You are calling the Wimax base station an AP, this is not the case they are
true base stations with a large amount of RD behind them plus most are
licensing code which adds a great deal of cost. I do not think you are going
to see Wimax base stations anywhere near what WISP are used to doing, ever.

This is correct for PtP 25 Watts max EIRP for 3.65Ghz,  but you can do this
now and much more with 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz so the power is not the plus. The
plus is that each side of the PtP link must be listed in the central FCC
database so a WISP will know where all the APs are and can make sure not to
cause issues with each other which is what they must do by law.

Any 3.65Ghz that is not listed in the central FCC database is limited to 1
Watt EIRP. But because the noise floor is low your single to noise should be
descent in more locations.  

Which goes to the last point, this is NOT 2.4Ghz under part-15. 3.65Ghz is
under part-90 which means all WISP MUST obey the law of the FCC or they will
be forced to take down there equipment and fined for any issues. Also there
is never going to be as must 3.65Ghz equipment out there and no of it will
be AMP to all hell and way over FCC limits. Which means there will be very
little extra power creating a every higher noise floor. 

Comments? 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of
subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to

Nope. The manufacturers will have to lower their price per AP.

2.4Ghz can go way up to 50 Watts EIRP, where the clients under
3.65Ghz are limited to 1 Watt max.

That is a surprise to me. 3.6G was pitched as a PtP for rural in its early 
discussions, meaning a 25watt link between to points, meaning 25watts per 
side.
Did the rules change?

Are you saying manufacturers are putting out CPEs limited to 1 watt EIRP. Or

are you saying the rules limit CPE to 1 watt EIRP.
I was not under the impression CPEs were limited to 1 watt by FCC rules, if 
thats the case the band would be as worthless as 5.3Gz-5.4Ghz.

What makes 3.65Ghz better overall is the
 low noise floors,

Yes, but only a temporary advantage.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:34 PM
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Guys

I keep hearing people say 3.65Ghz has more power than 2.4Ghz, I guess I can
see this over all with 25Watt total but because of how the rules are written
this is not the case.  The base station in Wimax is 7 Watts EIRP max if you
use the larger channel size, and less if you use the smaller ones which is
what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of
subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to! Anyway this puts the
EIRP at about 3.5 Watts EIRP which is about what 2.4Ghz can do.  On the
client side   What makes 3.65Ghz better overall is the
low noise floors, non-exclusive license and a central database so you know
when and where new base stations are installed! Because of this I don't see
how there will be an issues for WISP as long as all the rules are followed,
which they must by law, another good thing :)

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New Wimax Service

2008-01-17 Thread tonylist
Guys

I keep hearing people say 3.65Ghz has more power than 2.4Ghz, I guess I can
see this over all with 25Watt total but because of how the rules are written
this is not the case.  The base station in Wimax is 7 Watts EIRP max if you
use the larger channel size, and less if you use the smaller ones which is
what it looks like many are going to do in order to get a greater number of
subs per tower, at $10k+ per radio they will have to! Anyway this puts the
EIRP at about 3.5 Watts EIRP which is about what 2.4Ghz can do.  On the
client side 2.4Ghz can go way up to 50 Watts EIRP, where the clients under
3.65Ghz are limited to 1 Watt max.  What makes 3.65Ghz better overall is the
low noise floors, non-exclusive license and a central database so you know
when and where new base stations are installed! Because of this I don’t see
how there will be an issues for WISP as long as all the rules are followed,
which they must by law, another good thing :)

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service

 It's only practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low 
 throughput

I have a very hard time accepting that comment.

3.650 is more power than other unlicenced.
3.650 has better RF characteristics than 5.8G for NLOS and Distance. 
Possibly even better than 2.4G (up for debate, based on average size of pine

needles and leafs).
Any time there is a capabilty to serve MANY such as in an Urban area, of 
course its also possible to serve a LOWER number of people typical or 
subburb or rural.

If you are trying to say, 3.6 Wimax is not a replacement for 900Mhz to 
tackle foliage, I 100% agree.
If you say, NLOS is not possible long range, I fully agree, but neither is 
any other technology.
If you say, smaller channels will mean lower throughpout for multi-sector 
designs, I'd agree with you.

But 3.6G was designed for Rural. Thats why it has higher power levels.
And WiMax was designed for typical cell distances of existing legacy 
unlicened gear.

If anything it could be argued that WIMax is Better in rural areas because 
it does not have the contention protocols needed to deal with many 
interference sources typical of Urban america, and Wimax dies in 
interference.

Wimax 3.6G, is as rural as any other product, and smart urban WISPs will 
also do their best to use it. Personally, even if its one 20Mhz sector, its 
one more sector that can be added to the tower.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:37 PM
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I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz.  It is 
not
 for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers.  It's only
 practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low throughput
 clients.


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 Mike Hammett
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 - Original Message - 
 From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM
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 There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65
 just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a new
 profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As
 far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is
 not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move that
 I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt.
 Scriv


 Clint Ricker wrote:
 Tom,
 I'd agree.  I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in 
 terms
 of
 deliverables.

 My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves
 using
 buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your 
 product.
 Even if that is, on a technical level, 

RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-21 Thread tonylist
Well this is yet to be seen, the noise floor at 3.65Ghz should be very
clean. This means you will be able to make links as much lower signal levels
then with 2.4Ghz. And OFDM will help with NearLOS issues with buildings, but
if are dealing with trees OFDM is not going to help much this will come down
to simply physic.

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That's pretty much what I thought it would be for, hence the 2 mile radius 
indoor CPE just isn't going to fly.


-
Mike Hammett
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 Mike

 Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
 than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
 that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
 PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is little 
 to
 no source of interference where the signal to noise levels are going to be
 25dBm+! And of course you have very little to worry about when it comes to
 new sites coming on line, for one you will know who and where they are 
 plus
 the rules states very clearly licenses holders must work together.

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 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:16 PM
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 Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How 
 does
 it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers 
 and
 had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.


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RE: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

2007-11-20 Thread tonylist
Mike

Standard 3.65Ghz OFDM does not work as well as 2.4Ghz OFDM but it's better
than 5Ghz OFDM. Right now we see 3.65Ghz as a great replacement for areas
that have issues with LOS 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz business level users as well as
PtP back haul links. This is simply because in most areas there is little to
no source of interference where the signal to noise levels are going to be
25dBm+! And of course you have very little to worry about when it comes to
new sites coming on line, for one you will know who and where they are plus
the rules states very clearly licenses holders must work together.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

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Subject: [WISPA] 3650 PtMP vs. 2.4 PtMP

Who has used 3650 in a true PtMP residential customer application?  How does
it really work compared to 2.4?  Next year I'm putting up 2 more towers and
had planned on 2.4 GHz 90* sectors.


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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

2007-10-30 Thread tonylist
Dennis

OLSRd is open source and used on many devices. While I would not call it
plug and play once you have a basic setup adding nodes is very easy. Also as
there is a windows version of the code one can easily add any laptop or
desktop computer to the mesh. Again this is just one more tool for a WISP or
enterprise to use. 

We have customers in the shipping and mining industry where they mount these
on trucks where LOS back to a main AP does not work, with the correct setup
the traffic is carried back to the main servers over the MESH :)  We are
doing more aggressive mobile testing with the our RWR-HPG to see what they
can really do with fast hand-off and VoIP. Very cool protocol :)

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:33 PM
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Just use MT!  Mikrotik and OSPF.  Forget about these automated meshing
systems, which require one vendor, etc.  Plus, I know what that is going to
do vs some unknown algorithm doing something unforeseen.  Really, other than
rapid STP, what else can these things do!  

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Download the MIT roofnet project files , then select an SOC hardware
platform and 
several of you get together hire a linux systems architect on contract
and have him 
re-compile to your chosen platform.

Or you could beat the distro (forge it) into submission on the SOC
platform chosen yourselves, 
albeit, I think you'll find it is not that expensive to contract it.

mw
On Thu, 2007-10-25 at 08:09 -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

 You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
 anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
 exists.
 
 On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
  Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
  cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
  will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
  any other companies offering products along this line?
 
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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

2007-10-25 Thread tonylist
Anthony

Our complete RWR HPG product line has Mesh based on OLSRd
(http://www.olsr.org/). 
http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/index.html
http://www.demarctech.com/about-us/demarc-rwr-press.pdf

There is a GUI for olsrd which will run under Linux or Windows:
http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=gui

These are true outdoor unit that has been designed and tested to work from
-40C to +65C and with 630mW output power vs -10C to 50C and 200mW peak
transmission power which is most likely lower power levels in when
modulated.  

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what 
Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low 
cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you 
will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there 
any other companies offering products along this line?

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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

2007-10-25 Thread tonylist
Jeromie

On the RWR product line mesh is strictly base on OLSRd, so what it support
so will the RWR. We have been getting many requests from customers for a low
cost high power mesh that would work in campus and school setups, which the
RWR works great for. We do not have multi SSID support but we do have
support for static routing. 

Can you give me an idea on how you would use this in a network design where
multi-SSID would be need with mesh and routing??

Also the RWR-HPG-N is an outdoor unit with an N connector which an omni can
easily be mounted using a barrel coupler thus removing the need for a cable.
https://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/rwr-hpg-n.htm

Also all the RWR-HPG come standard with the advanced lighting protection
expect for the DT-RWR-HPG-10AS which has an option as many customers are
using these for indoor installs where LP are not needed.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

Tony, Does your product allow multi SSID's and routed wds links? Do
you have or plan to have a out door omni unit? The optional poe
protection is nice looking.

Jeromie

On 10/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anthony

 Our complete RWR HPG product line has Mesh based on OLSRd
 (http://www.olsr.org/).
 http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/index.html
 http://www.demarctech.com/about-us/demarc-rwr-press.pdf

 There is a GUI for olsrd which will run under Linux or Windows:
 http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=gui

 These are true outdoor unit that has been designed and tested to work from
 -40C to +65C and with 630mW output power vs -10C to 50C and 200mW peak
 transmission power which is most likely lower power levels in when
 modulated.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
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 Subject: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

 Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
 Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
 cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
 will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
 any other companies offering products along this line?

 Anthony



 

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RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

2007-10-25 Thread tonylist
Tim

While I agree with what you are saying in principal, the definition of a
True Mesh is every changing :)  OLSR is based on the ad-hoc design, and
with the level of processor we are using, a single ESSID and channel with
somewhere in the 75-100 interface range should work very well for most of
the customers that will be using it.  

To do what you are asking for would take more processing power and add to
the cost which is not the intention of the RWR design. This is just another
tool for the WISP to use in a design that makes sense with OLSR :)

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Behalf Of Tim Kerns
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:20 PM
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OLSR allows you to have multiple paths (tcp/IP) to your Internet gateway, a 
true mesh system not only allows multiple paths, but will also seek out 
different wireless connections to different SSID's to find the shortest path

to the Internet gateway. In the case of OLSR  (of the systems I've seen) it 
does not seek a list of SSID wireless connection.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


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To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??


 Anthony

 Our complete RWR HPG product line has Mesh based on OLSRd
 (http://www.olsr.org/).
 http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/index.html
 http://www.demarctech.com/about-us/demarc-rwr-press.pdf

 There is a GUI for olsrd which will run under Linux or Windows:
 http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=gui

 These are true outdoor unit that has been designed and tested to work from
 -40C to +65C and with 630mW output power vs -10C to 50C and 200mW peak
 transmission power which is most likely lower power levels in when
 modulated.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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RE: [WISPA] Nice CPE

2007-05-31 Thread tonylist
I was just on there site and could not find any data about FCC nor could I
find this on the FCC search, can anyone provide a URL for this??

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I saw Deliberent's 533Mhz product at ISPCON.
Its a pretty sweet OEM product.  Finally an outdoor enclosure with large
enough space inside to work with, but not to large.
Pretty reasonably priced for a certified product.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
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So then all you have is a 60 mW AP that is not legal to use.
If we wanted to do that, we could buy Linksys WRT54G for $24.99 and get the
same features plus more power.

Its too bad that Meraki is missing our market, but remember that their
original intent is to circumvent us (and wired ISPs too) by facilitating a
mesh that they control made up of people sharing connections that they get
from us!

We should probably be supporting people like Tranzeo and Deliberant, as they
try to give us a reasonably priced mesh.

Ralph


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No, I haven't done this myself. But google e.g. dd-wrt meraki.

Of course, mesh features being part of the firmware and not the radio
itself, you will lose those in flashing to dd-wrt or whatever.

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RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?

2006-06-28 Thread tonylist
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the
same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full
unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that
looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to
output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW
but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the
DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd
to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use
20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a
power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the
info.

Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM
(13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both
in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing
the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186
designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not
400mW

We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that
have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic
level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing
our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask,
EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. 

Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its
going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
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And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP
protocol

-Charles

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That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs,
hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100
(without antenna, BTW).

Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a
built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the
range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577

 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972



 What does everyone think?



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RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-21 Thread tonylist
Yes they are, you have to ask for them but ATT offers these services to
business. 

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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:38 PM
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Businesses with multiple lines and many employees are not able to buy
unmetered service.

-Matt

On Jun 20, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Rich Comroe wrote:

 It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local  US long 
 distance available for $60 ... something / month.  I do.  To save $100 
 to $2000 per month on long distance with VoIP would mean they'd have 
 to be paying the subscriber money back

 Out of that $60/month phone bill, the phone company has to pay federal 
 assessments that the VoIP provider doesn't.  Level that (which will 
 ultimately happen) and they'll cost roughly the same monthly.  I'm not 
 seeing the savings.  In what region of the US are ordinary residential 
 customers paying $100 or more on typical long distance? (and I'd argue 
 typical long distance is within US).  Is $60/mo unmetered local  long 
 distance not available?

 Rich

 - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS


 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates 
 are so cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs 
 by moving to voip.

 They are? Our customers are saving anywhere from $100 to $2,000 per 
 month on long distance with our VoIP service.

 -Matt

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RE: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

2006-06-20 Thread tonylist
Marlon

We are looking at this now for Demarc and I can tell you the cost is less
vs. pots if setup correctly . We have 5 standard pots lines coming in now at
a basic cost of $220 after you add in all the taxes and fees. The we pay
about $40 a month for long anywhere, any time, unlimited distance with a
total of $260 a month.

This same setup on VOIP would be $70-$100 a month with 4 incoming lines and
one main DID including LD. We are looking at doing something in the middle
where we would go to 2 POTS and the rest VOIP so have redundancy in the
system.

Now I would say that this only works on a multi-line system for small
business, customers that only have 1-2 lines would not see much is any
savings. But as you add more lines you start seeing a major difference.

Tony

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The clear trend where we're at is cell phone and/or voip.

Mostly, it's cell phone and no land line.  What for?  I've got my phone, she
has hers, the kids each have one etc.  Who needs a land line, portable phone
or otherwise

Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates are so
cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs by moving to
voip.

And lets not forget chat eh?  Many of the new business people/leaders out
there are used to using chat instead of talking on the phone.  I don't know
about you guys, but I remember spending hours some days on the phone with my
friends as a teenager.  Now my son chats.  I also use chat a lot during the
day.  He'll use it far more.

How many of you are trying to teach your corporate customers to use chat
instead of picking up the phone all of the time?  I think that all I really
need is my own chat server that I can assure them of privacy and no stupid
bells and whistles and I could make more money offering a private chat
system than voip!  And I could greatly increase my customer's efficiency. 
No need for small talk when you are on chat all day like there is with each
phone call.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS


A lot can change in a year especially with a mass-market disruptive 
technology like VoIP. In just the last 3 months of 2005 900,000 new VoIP 
subs were added. Earlier this year the total household VoIP market was 
thought to be 4.5 million subs, but is expected to be 7.9 million by years 
end. Most of this increase is to due to the cable companies, which now 
exceed 50% market share. Interestingly, cable companies have access to 9% 
of all households and 7% percent of RBOC households. Couple this with RBOCs

currently losing ~5% of their POTS lines each year and the picture gets 
pretty clear.

 Worldwide things are quite a bit different where 40% of all minutes 
 passing through class 5 switches are at some point handled as VoIP.

 -Matt

 Travis Johnson wrote:

 Hi,

 I will have to find the article I read about a year ago regarding VoIP 
 and POTS and cellular. It shows that even with the number of people that 
 are switching, it is still VERY small when compared with the number that 
 still have POTS and will continue to keep their land lines.

 In our area, the big switch is not to VoIP but rather to cell phones. 
 There are many products on the market now that allow you to plug a cell 
 phone into your normal phone wiring in the home and then port your number

 to the cell phone. Thus, you save money, have a phone you can take with 
 you no matter where you go, have 911 services, etc.

 Does anyone know the percentages of different phone services in Taiwan, 
 Japan, or otherwise? I thought I read somewhere that one of those 
 countries was over 75% cell phone.

 Travis
 Microserv

 Matt Liotta wrote:

 There are major LECs using VoIP internally while providing analog 
 service to their customers. Therefore, it is quite possible you have had

 conversations over a VoIP network using your POTS lines without even 
 knowing it. Further, the percentage likelihood that you will have such a

 phone call in the future is increasing steadily.

 VoIP is a disruptive technology that will forever change the landscape 
 of telecom. In a short number of years, VoIP will be more heavily used 
 than POTS by consumers. In fact, many people speculate that the RBOCs 
 have projections that tell them when to switch from POTS to Voice over 
 DSL 

RE: [WISPA] VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone

2006-06-20 Thread tonylist
Rich

In general I would agree with you expect for two features, one is video.
Phones like the Grandstream GXV-3000 have are low cost with all the features
one would need. I am not saying this is there yet as its not plug and play
but it's a step in the right direction. 
Also the second is incoming lines, I do not see this offered that much as a
feature but its there. One VoIP phone can handle lots on incoming lines when
setup with a provider that offers It. This is very cool as one can have one
phone number with 4 lines coming in each going to its own ext. This setup on
standard pots would cost much more then VoIP, so you get more features and
save $$ at the same time :) 

Tony

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Behalf Of Rich Comroe
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone 

Nah.  It's just a phone.  Ordinary wired phones already offer more features
than people want without VoIP.  Ordinary phone service typically offers you
a list of 25 features.  People don't want em, so in my midwest Ameritech
area (now ATT land) they typically throw in 5 features from the feature
list for free.  Most people don't even want the 5 free features ... they're
just nuisances.  There's a damn it, just take 'em attitude where the phone
company now bundles several of the features into all local service whether
you want 'em or not.

For the mass of the population it's simply about dial-tone  plain local /
long distance talk-time.  The phone companies learned to accept this.  The
same hype that it's more than replacing the phone used to be said about
ISDN for 20 years (yes, ISDN *is* that old).  Not one advanced ISDN feature
EVER became popular with consumers.  Within the telecom industry ISDN
eventually became known by several alternate names, one of which was
Inventions Subscribers Don't Need (my favorite).

Rich

- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone


 VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone
 http://techdirt.com/articles/20060530/0032231.shtml


 For way too long, most of the attention on VoIP has focused on how it's a 
 cheaper telephone replacement option -- which a few people have pointed 
 out is the wrong lesson to take from VoIP. Yes, it can provide cheaper 
 calling, but the real value of VoIP is that it opens up the ability to add

 new and useful applications to voice communications. When looking for 
 game-changing ideas, simply doing something cheaper tends not to be nearly

 as revolutionary as enabling something that couldn't have been done 
 before. That's why it's been disappointing to see so many VoIP providers 
 focus on price wars rather than offering something different. The good 
 news is that we're starting to see some companies offer something 
 different using VoIP. The disposable phone numbers idea seems more like a 
 gimmick (though one that some folks might find useful). However, what's 
 more interesting are the features the service is looking to add on top of 
 the disposable numbers, such as the ability to offer specific content to 
 callers. Who knows if this particular solution will catch on, but it's 
 nice to see companies trying to provide something more than just a 
 telephone replacement service when it comes to VoIP.

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RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-17 Thread tonylist



Brad

I am glad I was able to clear this up. Also which company 
where you referring to with a $300 WiMax CPE at 5GHz??


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad 
LarsonSent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:16 AMTo: 'WISPA 
General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out 
there if you look


Tony, Your original 
post was misleading. 





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:18 
PMTo: 'WISPA General 
List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] 
Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you 
look

Brad

- My point with issue 
was not about the contention it was just a general statement where any one doing 
or looking at manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am 
sure this will change.
- Again my comments 
where about RF, the same power limits are there and no mater what is done with 
the modulation you can not change physics. Also the features you list below are 
great but are based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you 
try to put two WiMax (today's standard)systems in the same area there are 
issues that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as 
system on the market today. 
- You are 100% correct 
802.16h is what is going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands 
but this is not where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes 
from draft to certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before 
late 2007. 
- FYI for anyone that 
want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html
- Where do you see sub 
$300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? Which company?

Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 
207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 


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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 
AMTo: 'WISPA General 
List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax 
corrections-The info is out there if you look
A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is 
the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this 
has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times 
that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the 
"contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues 
today.
Wimax "will" do more 
than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz 
increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 
OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM 
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind 
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax 
protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum 
working on a solution called 802.16h.
Expect to see sub $300 
cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. 
Brad





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 
AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has 
WIMAX?

Few things of 
info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not 
license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with 
WiMax
- WiMax doesNOT 
do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then theproducts on the market today in 
reference to RF not protocol.
- The WiMax protocol 
has many 

RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-15 Thread tonylist



Brad

- My point with issue was not about the contention it was 
just a general statement where any one doing or looking at manufacturing WiMax 
is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this will 
change.
- Again my comments where about RF, the same power limits 
are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you can not change 
physics. Also the features you list below are great but are based on a licensed 
design to really use the performance. When you try to put two WiMax (today's 
standard)systems in the same area there are issues that the protocol does 
not fix and performances is about the same as system on the market today. 

- You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is going to make 
this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not where we are 
today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to certified 
standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late 2007. 

- FYI for anyone that want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html
- Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? 
Which company?


Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad 
LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 AMTo: 'WISPA 
General List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there 
if you look


A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is 
the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this 
has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times 
that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the 
"contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues 
today.
Wimax "will" do more 
than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz 
increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 
OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM 
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind 
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax 
protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum 
working on a solution called 802.16h.
Expect to see sub $300 
cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. 
Brad





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 
AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has 
WIMAX?

Few things of 
info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not 
license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with 
WiMax
- WiMax doesNOT 
do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then theproducts on the market today in 
reference to RF not protocol.
- The WiMax protocol 
has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no 
interface. 
- I would not expect to 
see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I 
am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards 
whichwill have most if not all the features WiMax has in the 
spec.

Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 
207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 


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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:50 
PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has 
WIMAX?

Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in 
the U.S. ??? 

RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX?

2006-06-13 Thread tonylist



Few things of info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is 
but there are issue with using this with WiMax
- WiMax doesNOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then 
theproducts on the market today in reference to RF not 
protocol.
- The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based 
on a model where there is little or no interface. 
- I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing 
most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub 
$100 CPE using the other standards whichwill have most if not all the 
features WiMax has in the spec.


Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 

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WirelessSent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:50 PMTo: WISPA 
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WIMAX?

Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ??? 



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RE: [WISPA] SR9 cards......

2006-04-04 Thread tonylist
Blair

What price points are you looking at for this setup? For now we are looking
at these more for a back haul where you can get 2.4Ghz into a an area that
is otherwise hard to reach. We are working on a 900Mhz CPE design also and
hope to have is ready by Q2 using a lower cost design but still need to do
more testing. 

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Tony,

I hope so.  However, I am running out of time.  Let me give you a little
background.

I have a 2.4GHz system running that covers most of my county.  It is a
mixture of 802.11 and TurboCell.  The TurboCell provides back haul and
service for  long range clients, (3 miles), or for NLoS clients at short
range. I use the 802.11 for short range, LoS clients (3 miles). 
This has worked well for us in the past, but, the increasing bandwidth
demands are overloading our TurboCell back hauls, increasing noise levels
are decreasing the usable range of our 802.11 AP's, (in one area we no
longer deploy 802.11 CPE's at all, just TurboCell).

I am now deploying a 5.8GHz Netstream system to replace my TurboCell back
hauls.  I am also looking into polled systems on 2.4GHz to replace my
TurboCell CPE's and AP's.  Netstream is my most likely choice here as well,
but I am open to other polled systems on 2.4GHz as well.

I have one PtP link using TurboCell with RF Linx 915UDC units to get thru a
severe NLoS for a single user.  This was a very expensive deployment and the
average customer would not pay for it.  I tested several 900MHz systems and
found them wanting before settling on the RF Linx UDC's..

I now have several subdivisions, heavily tree infested, that want service.
They will not accept large towers and antennas on each home, but they will
accept a single large tower to serve the entire subdivision, so a 900MHz or
less system for local distribution is the only reasonable option I can come
up with.  None of the existing 900MHz systems I have looked at will both
provide 360deg coverage and adequate tree penetration using a single AP, and
I can not justify 6 60deg AP's for a subdivision that might have 20 sign-ups
total.  Netstream using
SR9 cards seems tailor made for this.

Based on the expected ship dates for the SR9, I was expecting to begin
testing the SR9/Netstream system in the next week or so and begin deployment
by the end of this month.  Now, it looks like I won't even be able to start
testing until the end of May.  Even getting a pair of the cards to begin
testing with would ease my pain and that of the eagerly waiting
customers

I am really getting up against the wall here.  My time is running out and I
must find my answer soon.



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Blair

We have received samples and the cards are working well, UB wanted to make
sure these radios are 100% before releasing 900Mhz is much more difficult
then 2.4 or even 5Ghz. It will be worth the wait.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 4:56 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] SR9 cards..

It seems that the delivery date on the SR9 cards from Ubiquiti Networks is
now the 2nd 

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread tonylist
George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own
in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to
the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they
are far from ready for prime time. 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
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Behalf Of George
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:17 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
Is there any products released yet or about to be released?
Thanks
George
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RE: [WISPA] SR9 cards......

2006-04-03 Thread tonylist
Blair

We have received samples and the cards are working well, UB wanted to make
sure these radios are 100% before releasing 900Mhz is much more difficult
then 2.4 or even 5Ghz. It will be worth the wait.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
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http://www.demarctech.com 
 
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Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 4:56 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] SR9 cards..

It seems that the delivery date on the SR9 cards from Ubiquiti Networks is
now the 2nd week of May

It was first of the year, then March, then April, now May

Can you say 'vaporware'?


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RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype 902-928 MHz Mini-PCICard

2005-10-22 Thread tonylist
Brian

Just and FYI Demarc has know about this for some time and as soon as its ready 
to go we will have CPE and base units that will
support it.  The CPE will come with 10dBi or 12dBi options as well as the 250mW 
or 1 Watt output options. While not locked down we
should be able to do 4, 2 or 1 OFDM non overlapping channels which can be used 
for either CPE or backhaul designs. The units will
also have polling to get the most out of the 900Mhz band. Also pricing is not 
set but we are sure it will be less then anything on
the market today with more options, we will have to wait and see :)

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider 
Office: 207-244-9068 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 


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