Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
This is due to the fact that they dont have the contention protocol. On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:56:49 -0500, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not sure why but the FCC dinged Redline 10DB of tx power due average vs peak power calculations. Mike At 12:26 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
I thought that was only for being forced to the bottom 25 MHz. If that's the case, why can Airspan's WiMax work at full power? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service) This is due to the fact that they dont have the contention protocol. On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:56:49 -0500, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not sure why but the FCC dinged Redline 10DB of tx power due average vs peak power calculations. Mike At 12:26 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I switch the subject line to match the tread. Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout process. I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity for operators to provide services using 3.65. -Matt Mike Hammett wrote: The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC limitations. My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear can do coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* sector, only about 5 miles. I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it isn't because the power isn't there. The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support higher throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets about 15 megs of throughput with WiMax. Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to the power. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service) As much as I like seeing One Ring's name over and over I figured I switch the subject line to match the tread. Mike's comments below are accurate with regard to Redline's equipment. However, it should be noted that Redline was not able to get their gear certified at the full power output allowable for 3.65. It is for this reason that Redline does not believe its gear will work in rural markets. Remember, 3.65 was originally supposed to be for the rural market, which means either Redline went wrong somewhere or the FCC did. Additionally, Redline has not sought to get its indoor CPE certified for 3.65 because of the power issue. That means urban operators are not able to offer self-install options that would greater speed up the rollout process. I believe WISPA should be working with the 3.65 radio vendors and the FCC to get things fixed such that there will be a greater opportunity for operators to provide services using 3.65. -Matt Mike Hammett wrote: The guys at Redline said their equipment is power limited due to FCC limitations. My point of view is based on Redline's statement of what their gear can do coupled with the documents filed with the FCC for their certification. The most I could get out of a PtP link was about 7 miles. With a 90* sector, only about 5 miles. I agree that all else the same 3.65 is better than 5.x GHz, only it isn't because the power isn't there. The throughput isn't there for WiMax compliant equipment due to small channels. If there were larger channel sizes, yes, it would support higher throughput applications. According to Redline, 7.5 MHz only gets about 15 megs of throughput with WiMax. Redline explicitly said 3.65 GHz isn't for rural applications due to the power. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65 needs more lobbying (was Re: One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service)
Not sure why but the FCC dinged Redline 10DB of tx power due average vs peak power calculations. Mike At 12:26 PM 1/12/2008, you wrote: IIRC, 3.65 ghz rules allow 1 watt EIRP per each mhz of bandwidth, thus a 7.5 Mhz Radio would be allowed 7.5 Watts of EIRP, 10 Mhz radio would be 10 Watts EIRP ... Redline cert does not reflect this... don't know why Airspan certification does get really close to it Mind me but 10 Watts EIRP if allot (about 40 db) Vendors should seek maybe 15 or 20 mhz channels Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
