Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We use mainly indoor cat 5. When the temp drops much below 20* the insulation gets pretty hard. It'll more around quite a bit but a sharp bend will sometimes cause it to break. When it's too windy I worry about the ladder getting blown over (that's happened more than once). If it's foggy and I can't see the towers I also can't see what might be in the way. I'm a pretty fair weather installer. Anything that *might* cause me to go back is avoided if at all possible. Anything that *might* get me hurt is avoided at all times. Period. That's part of why I have a 65' bucket truck. No one else out here has one that I know of. They climb those old TV towers etc. I use a truck. Much much safer. People don't like getting rescheduled, sometimes 3 or 4 times, but we tell them that we got our reputation by doing a good job the first time, not by cutting every corner we could. Nor do we do stupid things (anymore :-)) and have installs that just don't work right. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bad install days
I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Just like the cable and phone company we will contact customer and reschedule installs if it's deemed unsafe to do an install especially if we know we need to go up on a roof. But if we can do install without doing that we do business as usual. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:57:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We had received 5" of snow the day before. There was no wind, but it was hazy and cloudy. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Hazy and cold are not reasons to stay home. Ice and snow can be. If it is bad enough that you are going to spend hours longer traveling or at jobs because you have to fight the snow and ice then maybe you should reschedule. If rescheduling only delays dealing with the issue then don't delay. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Exactly as David states it is how I feel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:03 AM, David Blood da...@speedyquick.net wrote: Hazy and cold are not reasons to stay home. Ice and snow can be. If it is bad enough that you are going to spend hours longer traveling or at jobs because you have to fight the snow and ice then maybe you should reschedule. If rescheduling only delays dealing with the issue then don't delay. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
How many installers do you have in the field? Do you work with teams of two or individuals? We have had nearly a week of below zero weather (wind chill) and have rescheduled numerous jobs. Our company policy states that when wind chill is at or below 0, it is up to the installer whether to go out or not. I have been able to get the guys to go out in pairs and so far that has been ok except that we are not able to get to all the scheduled jobs. Our policy for below freezing weather is we leave it at the discretion of the installer based on snow/ice covering the roof. Scott Orheim Mercury Network Manitowoc, WI --- Original Message --- From: Josh Luthman[mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 1/28/2009 9:47:28 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
If we rescheduled every time there was snow or ice, we would never get anything done. ;) As I mentioned before, in 10 years of doing installs, there has only been 1 single day we did not go out and do installs. It was -30F at the office (without any wind) and even some of the trucks would not start. The rest of the days (like yesterday at -13F), the guys know they are going out and they dress for it. Yes, the installs take 30 minutes longer because of the cold, but they still get done. Travis Microserv David Blood wrote: Hazy and cold are not reasons to stay home. Ice and snow can be. If it is bad enough that you are going to spend hours longer traveling or at jobs because you have to fight the snow and ice then maybe you should reschedule. If rescheduling only delays dealing with the issue then don't delay. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We have 7 full-time installers now, all single person. We have real-time GPS units in each vehicle and they all have company cell phones. Travis Microserv scott.orh...@mercury.net wrote: How many installers do you have in the field? Do you work with teams of two or individuals? We have had nearly a week of below zero weather (wind chill) and have rescheduled numerous jobs. Our company policy states that when wind chill is at or below 0, it is up to the installer whether to go out or not. I have been able to get the guys to go out in pairs and so far that has been ok except that we are not able to get to all the scheduled jobs. Our policy for below freezing weather is we leave it at the discretion of the installer based on snow/ice covering the roof. Scott Orheim Mercury Network Manitowoc, WI --- Original Message --- From: Josh Luthman[mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 1/28/2009 9:47:28 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
What kind of GPS units do you have? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We have 7 full-time installers now, all single person. We have real-time GPS units in each vehicle and they all have company cell phones. Travis Microserv scott.orh...@mercury.net wrote: How many installers do you have in the field? Do you work with teams of two or individuals? We have had nearly a week of below zero weather (wind chill) and have rescheduled numerous jobs. Our company policy states that when wind chill is at or below 0, it is up to the installer whether to go out or not. I have been able to get the guys to go out in pairs and so far that has been ok except that we are not able to get to all the scheduled jobs. Our policy for below freezing weather is we leave it at the discretion of the installer based on snow/ice covering the roof. Scott Orheim Mercury Network Manitowoc, WI --- Original Message --- From: Josh Luthman[mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 1/28/2009 9:47:28 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
You're a slavedriver!!! :) -RickG On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
Hey this isn't a charity. We put Internet in one home and food on another! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:23 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: You're a slavedriver!!! :) -RickG On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We use the real-time tracking system from www.gpsfleetsolutions.com. It costs about $400 for the equipment and then $35 per month per vehicle. We are upgrading one of our trucks to their new "two-way" system that includes the Garmin Nuvi 740 unit for the driver and allows two-way communication from dispatch to each driver (like sending a route directly to their GPS, etc.). Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of GPS units do you have? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We have 7 full-time installers now, all single person. We have real-time GPS units in each vehicle and they all have company cell phones. Travis Microserv scott.orh...@mercury.net wrote: How many installers do you have in the field? Do you work with teams of two or individuals? We have had nearly a week of below zero weather (wind chill) and have rescheduled numerous jobs. Our company policy states that when wind chill is at or below 0, it is up to the installer whether to go out or not. I have been able to get the guys to go out in pairs and so far that has been ok except that we are not able to get to all the scheduled jobs. Our policy for below freezing weather is we leave it at the discretion of the installer based on snow/ice covering the roof. Scott Orheim Mercury Network Manitowoc, WI --- Original Message --- From: Josh Luthman[mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 1/28/2009 9:47:28 AM To : wireless@wispa.org Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [WISPA] Bad install days Was it simply cold or was there ice, snow, hazy out, etc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: We installed yesterday and it was -13F at the office when everyone showed up at 8:00AM. Got 6 installs done. :) Travis Microserv Steve Barnes wrote: Same here in Indiana. Called the clients to reschedule. Everyone but installers come to office and get caught up on paper work, training, or organizing service area. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup
Re: [WISPA] Bad install days
We assess things on a case by case. I've been on snow covered roofs before. I stay off the steep ones when it's wet or possibly frosty or icy. So far, we've only had a couple customers we've had to delay stuff for over the last year or two. cold? We got us a portable heater on a propane tank. just someting to warm the hands by... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: [WISPA] Bad install days I was curious to know what the other WISPs do when installs are scheduled and the weather is bad. The problems I see are safety, not seeing the tower, bitter cold and it's just very uncomfortable to work in. Today we have a good foot of snow with ice covering everything - looks like bubblewrap on my car. I just told everyone to stay home but call their appointments and reschedule and play in the snow with their kids, but prepare to work a half day if things lighten up. -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
