RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-06 Thread Brad Belton
Ahh ok, neither do I or the people I've spoken with about this.  In another
post I illustrated the Alvarion VL pin out is simply inverted.  Don't see
how that could make any difference in cross talk rejection.

So, can we expect Alvarion will at some point begin to adhere to industry
wiring codes?  

Several weeks ago you agreed a RSSI reading would be a good item to add.  Is
there any update as to when that will be available?

Best,

Brad



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VL

Frankly I'm not sure I actually buy the reason, but that's what I've been
told. 

Patrick Leary
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VL

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.
What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B

(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-06 Thread Patrick Leary
No further news on either front. I do what I can to push, but things like the 
pinout will never be high on the list since A) they claim to have a good 
reason, and B) in the rankings of where it is on an operator's decision list, 
it is somewhere between the bottom and the footnotes of the list.

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B,I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

Ahh ok, neither do I or the people I've spoken with about this.  In another
post I illustrated the Alvarion VL pin out is simply inverted.  Don't see
how that could make any difference in cross talk rejection.

So, can we expect Alvarion will at some point begin to adhere to industry
wiring codes?  

Several weeks ago you agreed a RSSI reading would be a good item to add.  Is
there any update as to when that will be available?

Best,

Brad



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VL

Frankly I'm not sure I actually buy the reason, but that's what I've been
told. 

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
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VL

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.
What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B

(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-06 Thread George Rogato
Well your choice of 75' was a good one. In the past when I used Smart 
Bridges or Tranzeo, the 50' was sometimes a few feet too short.


George

Patrick Leary wrote:

No further news on either front. I do what I can to push, but things like the 
pinout will never be high on the list since A) they claim to have a good 
reason, and B) in the rankings of where it is on an operator's decision list, 
it is somewhere between the bottom and the footnotes of the list.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:12 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Brad B,I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

Ahh ok, neither do I or the people I've spoken with about this.  In another
post I illustrated the Alvarion VL pin out is simply inverted.  Don't see
how that could make any difference in cross talk rejection.

So, can we expect Alvarion will at some point begin to adhere to industry
wiring codes?  


Several weeks ago you agreed a RSSI reading would be a good item to add.  Is
there any update as to when that will be available?

Best,

Brad



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VL

Frankly I'm not sure I actually buy the reason, but that's what I've been
told. 


Patrick Leary
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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brad B,I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS
VL

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.

What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B

(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.


So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.


Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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[WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B 
(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ an 
amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range due to 
cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are able to 
maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an actual 
reason. 

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread JohnnyO
Damn Patrick - you've been on the ball ! Bout time the old man gets
movin ! :)

JohnnyO

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Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for
BreezeACCESS VL

So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard
568B (or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55
volts and ½ an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used
the cable range due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With
this pinout we are able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an
actual reason. 

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for old man to some of you whipper-snappers!

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Damn Patrick - you've been on the ball ! Bout time the old man gets
movin ! :)

JohnnyO

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BreezeACCESS VL

So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard
568B (or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55
volts and ½ an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used
the cable range due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With
this pinout we are able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an
actual reason. 

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Butch Evans

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007, Patrick Leary wrote:

Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for old man to some of you 
whipper-snappers!


42 is NOT OLD!  42 is the meaning to life, the universe and 
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Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Tom DeReggi

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.

What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B 
(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.


So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.


Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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Re: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
You qualify as young whippersnapper to me :)

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VL


 Sigh. I guess at 42 I qualify for old man to some of you
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Patrick,

Thanks for the explanation, however I'm not sure how simply reversing the
pin-outs will improve cross talk.  

The Alvarion VL Manual doesn't specify the function of each Pin/Wire color.
I assume Green  Orange pairs are still used for Data and the Blue  Brown
pairs are used for power?  If so, it appears Alvarion has simply inverted
the pin out starting the standard 568A color code with Pin 8 rather than Pin
1.  I'd love to learn more as to how starting with Pin 8 as opposed to Pin 1
would make any difference as it relates to cross talk.

Alvarion VL Manual page 168:

1   Blue
2   Blue/White
3   Orange  Data?
4   Brown
5   Brown/White
6   Orange/WhiteData?
7   Green   Data?
8   Green/White Data?

Vs.

The rest of the World aka 568B:

1   Orange/WhiteData
2   Orange  Data
3   Green/White Data
4   Blue
5   Blue/White
6   Green   Data
7   Brown/White
8   Brown


BTW, I stumbled across a pretty nifty URL with a business card sized PDF
Avery Stock printout of 586A  586B pin out configurations.

http://www.bluemax.net/techtips/networking/Wiring_Tips/Wiring100TX/colorcode
standards.htm


Best,


Brad




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VL

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.
What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B

(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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RE: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

2007-01-05 Thread Patrick Leary
Frankly I'm not sure I actually buy the reason, but that's what I've been told. 

Patrick Leary
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Alvarion, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brad B,I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL

Patrick,

That is good to know, that there was actually technical merit, brains, 
behind the decission to do it Alvarion's way.
I think whats more important from this is that anyone installing VL, and 
needing to extend the cable longer than the cable included with the unit, 
probably then also needs to wire the new longer cable or extenstion cable 
with the same pinout.
I bet many had attempted to use a 568B extension with a coupler to the 
Alvarion cable, if they were not aware of this.
The cable length that comes with it is probably fine for Residential, but 
for MTU's 150-300ft is not uncommon.
What is the cable limit for  Alvarion's CAT5 connection?

Now to give you a hard time Why does the Alvarion use 56V instead of 
standard 48V, 24V, or 802.11af?  :-)

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Subject: [WISPA] Brad B, I got your answer on the pinout for BreezeACCESS VL


So Brad, I finally have the answer as to why we do not use the standard 568B 
(or 568A for that matter) pinot. We can't. The VL PoE pushes 55 volts and ½ 
an amp up the cat 5 cable. If the standard pinout is used the cable range 
due to cross talk can't make it much past 30 feet. With this pinout we are 
able to maintain the long distance.

So, you may not like it, but at least I've finally been able to give an 
actual reason.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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