Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased with ATT's network for Internet access. I took a train from New Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last year and never had a problem using my dongle to get access on my laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Well you're comparing cities to a few miles outside cities. I'd be very disappointed if it didn't work downtown or something. On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased with ATT's network for Internet access. I took a train from New Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last year and never had a problem using my dongle to get access on my laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Not really. That's the point of mentioning the train trip up the Mississippi and over to Chicago. That trip is over 1000 miles and there are very long stretches with not much there. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well you're comparing cities to a few miles outside cities. I'd be very disappointed if it didn't work downtown or something. On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased with ATT's network for Internet access. I took a train from New Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last year and never had a problem using my dongle to get access on my laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Well then Ohio sucks. Either way there are countless areas where I have 0 bars and even more places where I have bars but can't get online. On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Not really. That's the point of mentioning the train trip up the Mississippi and over to Chicago. That trip is over 1000 miles and there are very long stretches with not much there. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Well you're comparing cities to a few miles outside cities. I'd be very disappointed if it didn't work downtown or something. On 9/27/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: I don't use tethering since I haven't otherwise felt the need to jailbreak my phone. On the other hand, I've been extremely pleased with ATT's network for Internet access. I took a train from New Orleans (still doing reconstruction trips to the Katrina damaged areas) to Minneapolis (via Chicago), and then on to Syracuse, NY last year and never had a problem using my dongle to get access on my laptop (I wasn't using my iPhone for email back then, though I do now). The coverage was surprisingly solid. Here in upstate NY I have at least Edge coverage wherever I need it. I know that's not true in the most rural areas in our territory, but all the typical cities, towns, and villages have usable access. Chuck On Sep 27, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
You probably wont have billing issues with ATT Wireless. Its their legacy Bell company that sucks when it comes to billing. LOL, when I worked for ATT Wireless several years ago, they owed my department over a million dollars in credits. It took us over 2 years to get it straightened out! -RickG On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do
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I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP
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Maybe it's just ATT that has problems everywhere... On 9/26/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've never had a problem tethering with my Sprint phone. It has worked over EVDO and whatever their 2.5G was. Unfortunately, I got a new phone that Sprint hasn't made it easy to unlock the tethering (last one was just install USB drivers). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want
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Inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 if they will pay for the equipment. 2 or more if they will share it 0 if I think the potential is there to make the cost of the equipment back in 6 months to 1 year. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? Why does it matter? I am in business to provide a service to my customers and make money. If a prospective buyer doesn't want the mPOPs, he must not have the same goals and is therefore looking at the wrong business to purchase. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Well, with 300+ and just me, that is not a problem. However, good design and better documentation is the key. Someone else mentioned pictures. That helps a bunch if the tech can get to them when he needs them. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Pretty much, but for me there is also the goal of providing a service to my customers that they can not get otherwise. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) That depends. I make the secondary customers sign a waiver that states if the mPOP is down and we can not get to the cause, tough luck. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/24/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I just do whatever it takes to get the cash coming in as long as the money makes sense. I don't give one thought to resell value. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity
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Resell value? What's that? I don't care about the resale value on anything I ever purchase. I want it because I want it, I don't care what someone else wants. There probably would never be a someone else for anything I buy anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I just do whatever it takes to get the cash coming in as long as the money makes sense. I don't give one thought to resell value. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In town its average tree/building density of a suburban area (100ft trees, 35ft houses). Range on the pops is 2 to 6 blocks, depending on trees, houses, etc. Most have los to a primary site, very very few run off another pop. MT is the core hotspot controller. I am working on a new hotspot page for user self registration and signup so no more 3AM calls. I have a mix of hardware but have standardized on MT, StarOS and Ubiquity in my network. I am building a new tower to test out the newest gear from Ubiquity. Jeromie Robert West wrote: What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you dealing with? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act up they get upgraded) Mark McElvy wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Personally I don't have anyone to call, either. If you're at a customer site and things don't work and you need documentation just think about it - you have no connectivity anywhere, no matter where you store your data it is out of reach. If you copy it locally, which really isn't feasible to keep updated, you'll have some information but not nearly enough. I have a Dude server that helps me troubleshoot where the problem is - I work from the router towards their connection. Typically I assume backhauls are good and just work at the AP to the customer or the SU where the repeater is (first hop off the backbone). Looks like... http://i36.tinypic.com/epj2ap.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I can see where that would make sense due to the terrain. The micropops can let you bend and curve your coverage. Every place needs a solution, that seems to be the one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In town its average tree/building density of a suburban area (100ft trees, 35ft houses). Range on the pops is 2 to 6 blocks, depending on trees, houses, etc. Most have los to a primary site, very very few run off another pop. MT is the core hotspot controller. I am working on a new hotspot page for user self registration and signup so no more 3AM calls. I have a mix of hardware but have standardized on MT, StarOS and Ubiquity in my network. I am building a new tower to test out the newest gear from Ubiquity. Jeromie Robert West wrote: What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you dealing with? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act up they get upgraded) Mark McElvy wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
We do it old school in that case, tether the cell to the laptop. :) No fancy iPhone on this end! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any
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I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene
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And my wife complains, Why do you always have to take those tools with you everywhere we go? DUH! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I
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I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business
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I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes
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It works in cities, sure. Does it work where your customers (WISP subs) are? On 9/25/09, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion
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Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just
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Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs
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ATT seems to have way too many issues with their DNS. They were down again for a 3 days last week in some areas around us. Oh, but they will never admit it! NOOO! It's always the customers fault and then they drag it into us where we have to tell them it's ATT. No, they said it was my computer.yada, yada, yada. Sigh... Sorry, I must be stupid then. In our area, Verizon, which we use, is pretty good with the coverage. I've had one time I couldn't connect but I just had go down the road. But it just depends on where you are, lot of places outside our area have some really dead spots. Just fire up your Iridium phone! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD
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I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been
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Damn, that's a good setup then! ATT has a decent domestic setup from my experience with setting them up for customers. They even have a decent way to get internet access for no extra cash if the phone is setup right. Not exactly ethical but I would think that since the instructions have been on the net for so long they would have closed that loophole if they had an issue with it. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have
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I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been
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Josh, You know as well as I do, nothing works when and where you REALLY need it! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops It works in cities, sure. Does it work where your customers (WISP subs) are? On 9/25/09, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one
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I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop
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Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store
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Up isn't the issue, have to have a good enough side angle to see one of the satellites. If you're in a holler even the sun doesn't shine. Shade or dark 23.5 hours a day. Happens to me in some areas of Tennessee too. Steep mountains or hills on both sides and no where to look but straight up. I understand that Sirius has some ground based repeaters in some well populated areas that have this canyon issue. Speaking of which, bad reception in so called Urban Canyons as well, large cities with tall buildings. I believe is was the New York city area that I heard used a fair amount of repeaters. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can
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But no matter where you area you can always get at least 2 stations on the regular old radio. County or Rap. If they would play it on the same station we could call it crap. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an ATT aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney josh.che...@gmail.com wrote: Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my
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Thats the point of the mpops. There are few places where I can not find some part of my network (or some other open wireless). I carry a PS2 and a bullet5 with 19db panel. Inverter in the van, spare battery + 200ft 10/3 cord, 10ft pole + tripod + cinder blocks. I can run down the block and drop a relay to get to my worksite if its REALLY that important. I pull the current info for a site before heading to it so I have it. 99.9% of all issues lately are due to A) the AP feeding the pop is down (legacy hardware) B) power has been pulled at mpop. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Micropops
I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Lots of people are doing that with NS2s and MTs. I think across the board NS2 as the CPE if I'm not mistaken - maybe a few Tranzeos out there. Up to you to decide which you'd rather use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I understand if you think MT is complex, but it takes me 10 minutes to setup an RB433 with a 5GHz and a 2GHz card to do what you want. Then I can manage my micropops exactly like my pops. And if it grows, the right stuff is there. And I just like the control and view I get with RouterOS. Mark McElvy wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/24/09 05:52:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Bottom line: profitable. I suggest using a monitoring system to map out how the network runs. This helps find out where the customer goes to get online. On 9/24/09, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Ditto! -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: inline Mark Nash wrote: I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. Why? 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of every install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage no access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take everyone out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was bad till after the power failed. 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional inside-the-box installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in time wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not demand the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that to change some day. inside the box oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote That (roof access) is to far out side the box. This is 10 years ago. On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were to ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am certifiable. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't need. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
