1:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
30% of what number Charles? How many WISPs said they have over 1,000 CPE.
I
can only think of about 20 with that high a number. I'd like to be able to
toss around a better number if it can be substantiated, even anecdotally
and
unscientifically like
Patrick Leary wrote:
Indeed, and the Pew study is very credible, well circulated on the Hill, and
used frequently as source material for other briefings and other reports.
Just because something is widely circulated among influential people
doesn't make it correct.
I do firmly believe
/cam
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From:
John Scrivner
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed
wireless is much bigger than what even I thought. According
Mark Nash wrote:
I have a spreadsheet that I've developed that gives me 5 years of
projected monthly costs/revenue/running costs/running revenue/cost per
subscriber/debt paydown. It summarizes to 5-year pl, 5-year debt,
5-year business value (1xannual), 5-year resale value (business
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Matt, used an example of Vonage, that did not show profits. But if
that were the case with all investments VCs would not be in business.
A certain percentage of them do very well and are very profitable.
Thats what VCs are banking on. Some will be highly profitable. A
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
If the FCC had not thrown the 911 monkeywrench into it, I'd have found a way
to roll my own VOIP service and we'd have been selling it at only a slight
markup, just to be an added value to my broadband.
The 911 thing is just a barrier to entry that for most markets is
Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
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Profit is irrelevant for an early stage growth company.
-Matt
Peter R. wrote
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:19 AM
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Here is an example of a ROI period ending.
I put in a $500/mo T1 and rent a $100/mo tower space. My
Broadband
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:09 AM
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Hi,
I think that's the #1 mistake that small or startup operators make: Time
is money, so don't waste
Actually, Cbeyond originally only sold one product. A dynamic T1.
Basically, one product offering to a specific target market. Focused.
- Peter
Patrick Leary wrote:
Any operator with some decent residential mix would be drooling to have a
$100 ARPU Matt. No matter what technology is being
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed wireless is
much bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8% of
all broadband connections in the US are delivered via fixed broadband
wireless. That means you guys! Woo Hoo!
Scriv
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Patrick Leary wrote:
You are right John, that is huge. As you and I have agreed, the old reported
numbers many of us suspected were low due to A) the form 477 only used to
require operators to file if they had 250 or more subs, which meant most
WISPs did not have to file so their numbers were
John Scrivner wrote:
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed wireless is much
bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8% of all broadband
connections in the US are delivered via fixed broadband wireless.
Ouch. That study looks to be horribly
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John Scrivner wrote:
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed wireless is
much
bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8% of all
Hopefully, the 8% (6,000,000) figure includes ONLY end-users who use
wireless broadband to get to/from their home and NOT the end-users who
have a copper/fiber-based (cable/telco) broadband connection to their
home and then use a Wi-Fi router/access point that provides the final
50-ft
: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Hopefully, the 8% (6,000,000) figure includes ONLY end-users who use
wireless broadband to get to/from their home and NOT the end-users who
have a copper/fiber-based (cable/telco) broadband connection to their
home and then use a Wi-Fi router/access point that provides
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From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
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Some interesting statistics -- 30% of the WISPs who attended our last WiNOG
claimed on their surveys they had been in the wireless business for more
than
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Hopefully, the 8% (6,000,000) figure includes ONLY end-users who use
wireless broadband to get to/from their home and NOT the end-users who
have a copper/fiber-based (cable/telco) broadband connection
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-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Some interesting statistics -- 30% of the WISPs who attended our last WiNOG
claimed
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Patrick
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From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Some interesting
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:44 PM
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Charles said - P.S. - I heard a rumor that the current UL market leader,
Motorola Canopy sold close to $100
...
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:35 PM
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Patrick
with about 10k CPE.
- Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
30% of what number Charles?
At the last show, 500+ attended representing about 350ish operators
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak to profit, so they measure in subs.
- Peter
Matt Liotta wrote:
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality of customers can vary so
Profit is irrelevant for an early stage growth company.
-Matt
Peter R. wrote:
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak to profit, so they measure in subs.
- Peter
Matt Liotta wrote:
Not sure why the
All,
Unfortunately as Peter pointed out in a previous conversation about this
most broadband
consumers do not even know what they have for a connection.
We won't even talk about the difference between the technologies used.
As quoted from the report;
Although speed matters for broadband
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who
has just released a report that says we (Fixed Wireless Broadband
Providers) are serving the broadband needs of approximately 8% of US
home users. We obviously have been completely ignored in other reports
and surveys so
Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:45 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
snip
Probably close to true, though I believe a bit on the high side. We probably
sold around $80M in UL last year out of our $195M total since our
UL
Scriv,
It is absolutely a step in the right direction considering all the other
recent reports lump WISP's in with Satellite.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
John Scrivner wrote:
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who
has just released a report that says we (Fixed
: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak to profit, so they measure in subs.
- Peter
Matt Liotta wrote:
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who
has just released a report that says we (Fixed Wireless Broadband
Providers) are serving the broadband
'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 1:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Some interesting statistics -- 30% of the WISPs who attended our last WiNOG
claimed
I stand corrected, fair enough Matt, but wow. That's pretty rich monthly
rates and an especially rich ARPU.
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Again
models and all are
successful.
Best,
Brad
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:15 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
I stand corrected, fair enough Matt, but wow. That's
: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly
whose ARPU is barely above $100. At 1000 customers an ARPU of $100 is
only $1.2M per year. That's a lot of radios and a lot of customers
: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the quality
of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly whose ARPU
is barely above $100. At 1000 customers an ARPU of $100 is only $1.2M
per year. That's a lot of radios and a lot of customers
'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Patrick
-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006
1:34 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Some interesting statistics -- 30% of the WISPs who attended our
last WiNOG
claimed
: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Our APRU is currently at $669 and we have been raising that each
quarter. The difference between us and CBeyond is that we don't pay any
ILEC to delivery our service. Oh, and we don't have 17,000 customers...
yet
, May 30,
2006 3:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Again, pointing to CBeyonds numbers it is clear that their average
customer is not buying big TDM pipes or fiber-based services. Their
starting package is $495 per month, which is just a single T1, while
their next
@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:35
PM
Subject: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Check this out from the Pew report. It appears that fixed
wireless is much bigger than what even I thought. According to this report 8%
of all broadband connections in the US are delivered via fixed broadband
On 5/30/06, Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are right about our having some folks going back years. Maybe thelongest example would Jason's Midcoast in Maine. Midcoast goes back at leastto 1997. In addition to those, we have a pretty good crop of more recent
operators that have moved
Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30,
2006 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs regularly
whose ARPU is barely above $100
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30,
2006 2:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
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Not sure why the number of customers is even important when the
quality of customers can vary so wildly. I run into WISPs
regularly whose ARPU is barely above $100. At 1000 customers
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:12 PM
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Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important; but profit is the most important.
Not many can speak
, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Profit is irrelevant for an early stage growth company
@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
The point is we have a well known, if not largely credible source, who has
just released a report that says we (Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers)
are serving the broadband needs of approximately 8% of US home users. We
]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Scriv,
It is absolutely a step in the right direction considering all the other
recent reports lump WISP's in with Satellite.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
John Scrivner wrote
Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Our APRU is currently at $669 and we have been raising that each quarter.
The difference between us
proven track record.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
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: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Our APRU is currently at $669 and we have been raising that each
quarter. The difference between us and CBeyond is that we don't pay
any ILEC to delivery our service. Oh, and we don't have 17,000
customers... yet!
BTW, our sales team has found it easier to sell $1000
record.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
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Profit is irrelevant
DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
You make a logical point, but the market seems
: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
You make a logical point, but the market seems to disagree. Take the
recent Vonage IPO as an example. By all accounts the IPO was a disaster.
They offered their shares at $17 and it is now trading $13. From the
financials
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
You make a logical point, but the market seems to disagree. Take the
recent Vonage IPO as an example. By all accounts the IPO was a
disaster. They offered their shares at $17
.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:54 PM
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Tom,
There is no such thing
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:22 PM
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As I stated, In 2005, they acquired 870,000 new customers, which even
if they had acquired for free they still wouldn't represent enough
revenue to pay
By the way folks, this is a great and meaningful thread on an important
topic.
Patrick
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From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 8:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
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Yes but Vonage is also a poor example
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Profit is irrelevant for an early stage growth company.
-Matt
Peter R. wrote:
Because number of subs is the measuring stick.
Revenue is more important
!
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From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:14 PM
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Any operator with some decent
!
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From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
No, not really. Our average RMC is similar to CBeyond, but the big
difference is how much we keep of that RMC
! (That reminds
me...where is that 5.4 GHz band!)
:-)
Scriv
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:31 PM
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on current years proven track record.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
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Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] This is HUGE!
Interesting. My highest priced
proven track record.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:19 PM
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Profit
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