Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)
Mac Dearman, that Scottish guy. Michelob Ultra, what the heck is up with that. -- Original Message -- From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:44:30 -0500 Yes I won a nice 5ghz moto starter pack. Talked moto into changing that out to a 4.9ghz PTP link with the help of Ray Savich from Motorola. Here is a link to the case study. http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/Products/Wireless%20Networks/Wireless%2 0Broadband%20Networks/Point-to-Point/_Documents/staticfiles/Breaking%20the%2 0Shackles%20of%20Inmate%20Transport%20Costs.pdf?localeId=33 Rick, I loved the WISP-NOG show, it was one of the best show I have attended. I consider that to be back in the early days and I still look back upon that show as a historic memory, Moto was just announcing their 900mhz Canopy platform. Not too many vendors there at all, think WISP-ROUTER was the only one. I learned more from sitting down in the hotel bar talking with a lot of the big names like Mac Dearman, Butch Evans, John Scrivner, Charles Wu and probably a few others I forget about. I think I had about 35 clients back then. Never though I would get past the 100 mark or even the 200 or 300. I remember the presentation that Todd Bergstrohm gave and at that time 3db networks had about 3500 clients I think. Oh remember the dinner we all went to? Remember that butt paste or whatever it was called, lol. Then we had the Beer-n-Wireless-Gear and I wasn't even old enough to drink. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member
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Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA
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You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don't ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have
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Sneaky, sneaky sir. I don't do much on Facebook. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.comwrote: You should have known that! We are facebook friends! Where were you hiding all these years Josh? I have been active on the lists since 2004 and don’t ever remember seeing your name, but just out of no-where you seem to have appeared and already know everything and now I am seeing your name all over the place, all the lists, whats up with that? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from
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Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys. :-) Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt
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LOL Jeff, I hear ya . ;-) Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com http://farmingtonforum.com/ www.FarmingtonForum.com 314-974-5600 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys. J Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We
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So buy some new shoes! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.netwrote: Sigh…I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys… J Regards, Jeff ImageStream Sales Manager 800-813-5123 x106 -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours
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Hey me too I was 17 in 1975 :) On 1/26/2011 7:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis Meeting didn't you? Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org mailto:rharn...@wispa.org *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new
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On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.comwrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer *Arvig Communications Systems* diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ attachment: kurt@wavelinc.com.vcf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I WAS 42 From: Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer Arvig Communications Systems diversicom-Melrose Telephone-Wisper Wireless 320.351.WISP (9477) -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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YOU CAN HAVE IT, WE SCREWED IT UP From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I was 20. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mike Bushard Jr mikeb.li...@gmail.com wrote: I was 21. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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All of you young people... I'm 28. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 11:48 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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%#$! kids get off my lawn! On 1/26/2011 12:55 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Lets all unite and take over the world! Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - Punk kids unite!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Hey we're the same age! I was 17 in 2005! I was 19 in 2005. Neat to see other people my age on the list. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3404 - Release Date: 01/26/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us…. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don’t always have the funding or impact to get everything they want in regards to FCC policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is the name of the game. If you can’t
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even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us…. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like the rest of you and they are human
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and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us…. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM To: bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so
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they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us…. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http
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would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent
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I believe more than half will pay the $500 year two which would more than cover any losses due to the year 2 increase. Now is it advantageous to have more members even if they don't want to pay more? If we lose 25%, but have more fees overall, is that going to hurt our power in numbers? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) But I KNOW we can do better than 300. And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing
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Jon, I personally like Chucks suggestion... Charging for subsriber count ranges via tiers, and using the honor system. It gives WISP an option to pay more, with the likelihood they will do the right thing, and those with more stake in the game with more to gain, will havea mechanism enabling to help more for mutual benefit. However, I recognize your point, of not wanting to turnoff members. But we cant ignore there is a clear benefit to having tiers. If concerned about turning off people by a tiered method, a possible solution is to reduce number of tiers to fewer, the bare mminimum to address the problem. The biggest reason for tiers is to never have a dues amount to large that it prevents some smaller but interested parties from justifying joining, but yet having Due at a higher rate for most members, in line with what can best help accomplish the goals the members desire. A small startup being exposed to WISPA, might question $500, but likely wouldn't question $250. But $500 dues is really needed to make a large neough impact. There is jsut as much a risk of loosing large WISPs as members, because WISPA doesn;t charge enough to afford to make a large enough impact, and therefore looks less relevent to the larger WISP. A mechanism must be in place to accommodate both profile companies.. For example, the Tiers could be just two... $250 for under 100subs, and $500 for over 100. Another option could be to have a first year discount. Allow Startups to pay $250, to experience the benefit of WISPA, with the assumption that the startup needs a year of growth before they are made to put in equal contribution as other more established WISPs. And again, because of the honor system, it could be left up to the applicant to state whether they considered themselves a startup or not to get a discount.. But even then, Associate membership might serve the purpose of low cost membership for startups. However, I personally believe that the very best way to accomplish WISPA's revenue goals is the accumulative effort of many. The easiest sell, and biggest impact could be obtained if every WISPA member stepped up to pay just a little bit more. As I stated before in this thread I beleive the lowest tier WISP Principle membership fee should be $350 (not 250). I beleive all of us should be able to afford $350. (and if I'm wrong, the honor system can assist with that). And that alone would raise $30k, right off the bat. I feel strongly about that. So in compromise I think a good dues structure might be Assoicate $150 Principle upto 1000subs- $350 Principle over 1000subs- $600 Now if that is not enough revenue, well then I beleive that at this time, the additional revenue beyond that needs to come from elsewhere. Preferrably via new membership recruiting. Or additional fund raising events. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That does add overhead... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. 1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: $250 first year $500 second+ year Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what
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I contributed money before in a fund-raising effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2011 3:02 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: What about simply a fundraising effort? That would test the waters without committing to any type of rate increase and the like. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic X. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. Respectfully, Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org *To:* 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Kurt, You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. Respectfully, *Rick Harnish* Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) Rick, I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us…. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Kurt, We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the PL ready. Rick *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list Rick, What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications http://www.wavelinc.com P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 Sent from Microsoft Outlook -- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don’t always have the funding or impact to get
