Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Ok folks, we are still working on this. We now have it set to auto run the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon to 300' for max approximate PoE distance). You will see on a link there is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx. If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold. We are assuming the AP side stays constant and the client side moves. You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP side up. If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area. The higher you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees. I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried this. The promo code field is in the account settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless image003.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal. Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok folks, we are still working on this. We now have it set to auto run the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon to 300' for max approximate PoE distance). You will see on a link there is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx. If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold. We are assuming the AP side stays constant and the client side moves. You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP side up. If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area. The higher you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees. I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried this. The promo code field is in the account settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless image001.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Dang that sounds hot. Can we see screen shots? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal. Jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim Patient *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok folks, we are still working on this. We now have it set to auto run the rx side height on link paths (up to 200’ but will increase this soon to 300’ for max approximate PoE distance). You will see on a link there is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx. If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold. We are assuming the AP side stays constant and the client side moves. You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP side up. If you’re area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area. The higher you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees. I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven’t tried this. The promo code field is in the account settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com linktechs.net wlan1.com [image: qr_new_cell] *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
It would be nice to see a map that is colored based on how high towerCoverage thinks you need to be to achieve x signal level. Say in units of 10 ft. For hilly heavy forest areas. From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, April 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Dang that sounds hot. Can we see screen shots? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netmailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal. Jim From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok folks, we are still working on this. We now have it set to auto run the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon to 300' for max approximate PoE distance). You will see on a link there is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx. If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold. We are assuming the AP side stays constant and the client side moves. You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP side up. If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area. The higher you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees. I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried this. The promo code field is in the account settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com/ linktechs.nethttp://linktechs.net/ wlan1.comhttp://wlan1.com/ [qr_new_cell] From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.commailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless attachment: image001.png___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
We don't run a full 360 degree coverage on links to show colors like you see on a coverage. The link colors reflect good, week, and no signal using your threshold setting and colors on the ground are evergreen dark green, broadleaf trees light green, blue buildings, and red diamonds sticking up in the path are just urban environment that could be a potential area of interference. Different colors affect the opacity of the coverage's and black out overlapping areas. This is why the multi maps only allow green and red. Honestly, different colors of maps is not as important as the functionality of the calculations and other things we are working on. I know it's not good news but as you said colors are more of a nice to have than a need to have. We're doing what we can to catch up on the need to haves J Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Corcoran Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? It would be nice to see a map that is colored based on how high towerCoverage thinks you need to be to achieve x signal level. Say in units of 10 ft. For hilly heavy forest areas. From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, April 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Dang that sounds hot. Can we see screen shots? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal. Jim From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok folks, we are still working on this. We now have it set to auto run the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon to 300' for max approximate PoE distance). You will see on a link there is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx. If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold. We are assuming the AP side stays constant and the client side moves. You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP side up. If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area. The higher you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees. I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried this. The promo code field is in the account settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Search Twitter for towerco usage help? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 11, 2014 9:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
I thought two rays meant dual pol. It is RadioMobile, Roger is involved. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 11, 2014 10:00 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Curious, I believe Towercoverage uses a form of Radio Mobile to create their maps. I have some experience with Radio Mobile, but does their coverage maps support dual-pol or slant for that matter? Would it make any difference in the in the outcome of the map? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Curious, I believe Towercoverage uses a form of Radio Mobile to create their maps. I have some experience with Radio Mobile, but does their coverage maps support dual-pol or slant for that matter? Would it make any difference in the in the outcome of the map? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Two-Rays means to use multi-path reflections .. if the radio can handle that then you can turn it on. Things like 900mhz etc. will reflect very well, flat open terrain you will see rings of coverage if your receiving radio is too low, as the reflection are good and bad. But on most 802.11 products, we would leave that off. As far as Dual-pol or dual-slant would not change the RF propagation, i.e. estimated signal would not change based on horizontal or vertical, however, you have a better chance using dual of receiving said signal . Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Curious, I believe Towercoverage uses a form of Radio Mobile to create their maps. I have some experience with Radio Mobile, but does their coverage maps support dual-pol or slant for that matter? Would it make any difference in the in the outcome of the map? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 tel:310%20598%201606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I thought hpol was slightly better for obstructions (specifically tree foliage). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 11, 2014 1:03 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Two-Rays means to use multi-path reflections .. if the radio can handle that then you can turn it on. Things like 900mhz etc. will reflect very well, flat open terrain you will see rings of coverage if your receiving radio is too low, as the reflection are good and bad. But on most 802.11 products, we would leave that off. As far as Dual-pol or dual-slant would not change the RF propagation, i.e. estimated signal would not change based on horizontal or vertical, however, you have a better chance using dual of receiving said signal . *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer** Author of **Learn RouterOS- Second Edition*http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm * Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*: linktechs *-- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen *Sent:* Friday, April 11, 2014 9:01 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Curious, I believe Towercoverage uses a form of Radio Mobile to create their maps. I have some experience with Radio Mobile, but does their coverage maps support dual-pol or slant for that matter? Would it make any difference in the in the outcome of the map? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Its possible it will penetrate better, but overall the signal should be the same. How's this, without obstructions, the signal in any polarity should be the same, the possibility of getting that signal though trees goes up if you have multiple pol as passing though obstructions can change the polarity of the wave. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I thought hpol was slightly better for obstructions (specifically tree foliage). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 11, 2014 1:03 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Two-Rays means to use multi-path reflections .. if the radio can handle that then you can turn it on. Things like 900mhz etc. will reflect very well, flat open terrain you will see rings of coverage if your receiving radio is too low, as the reflection are good and bad. But on most 802.11 products, we would leave that off. As far as Dual-pol or dual-slant would not change the RF propagation, i.e. estimated signal would not change based on horizontal or vertical, however, you have a better chance using dual of receiving said signal . Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mt-learn-routeros-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Curious, I believe Towercoverage uses a form of Radio Mobile to create their maps. I have some experience with Radio Mobile, but does their coverage maps support dual-pol or slant for that matter? Would it make any difference in the in the outcome of the map? On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Bob Web Offset Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, One other thing you can do is a Twitter search for other wisps who would know. You'll find people that don't even know about our listserve here. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Robert Kim Web Offset Printing Hong Kong Tokyo Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qBSz0_Els http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 tel:310%20598%201606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go to get an acceptable signal. If you are going though trees or near a hill, the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones. sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm. These are only in the event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*: linktechs *-- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace * ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Right. That makes sense. There are some that say that even with a clean fresnel going up or down 10 feet can change things. Never understood that. On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, LTI - Dennis Burgess gmsm...@gmail.com wrote: What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go to get an acceptable signal. If you are going though trees or near a hill, the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones. sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm. These are only in the event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net – Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage’s
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
I've seen it before too. On the ground with a nanobridge 5 feet above the ground with me holding it, I can get a -58 but go up 10 feet on the roof and it's a -63 with same aiming and clear LOS. Bugs the heck out of me. But I'm not able to go even higher in some cases to try to get a -58 back and I'm not putting it on the ground. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Right. That makes sense. There are some that say that even with a clean fresnel going up or down 10 feet can change things. Never understood that. On Apr 10, 2014, at 9:45 AM, LTI - Dennis Burgess gmsm...@gmail.com wrote: What he wants, is, here is my customer location, how HIGH do I need to go to get an acceptable signal. If you are going though trees or near a hill, the Fresnel zones include constructive and nonconstructive zones. sometimes going up 5 feet may help and sometimes it would harm. These are only in the event that you have Fresnel zone encroachment. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author
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Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Interesting explanation. Thanks. On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless
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The other thing that changing height can do is change the angle of reflected/refracted signals thus changing the amount of multi-path signal the receiver sees. On 4/10/2014 10:44 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Interesting explanation. Thanks. On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Josh, We use Towercoverage to per-qualify every customer that contacts us about service. We have been very satisfied with it's overall performance and accuracy. Thanks William B. Juneau Sales And Marketing Team Toal Highspeed Internet Solutions will...@totalhighspeed.net sa...@totalhighspeed.net 1-417-851-1107 EXT. 509 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:18:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs skype:linktechs?call -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*: linktechs *-- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netmailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! :) Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Editionhttp://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.comhttp://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*: linktechs * -- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide *This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.* ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks. So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz you should never shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Still needs more testing before it goes live. Is it sad that I was ecstatic to see that?! Love it when the shop tests before deployment. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 10, 2014 2:12 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Ok, Ya'll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is reached and return the estimated height needed for the link. You won't need to click to move it up. This will be dynamic. Still needs more testing before it goes live. Jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net - *Skype*: linktechs * -- Create Wireless Coverage's with *www.towercoverage.com *- 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide *This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.* ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Ok, Ya'll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is reached and return the estimated height needed for the link. You won't need to click to move it up. This will be dynamic. Still needs more testing before it goes live. Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com http://www.towercoverage.com/ - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litew ire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=lite wire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=24 2260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1; rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242 260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1r ID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Sweet!!! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Ok, Ya'll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is reached and return the estimated height needed for the link. You won't need to click to move it up. This will be dynamic. Still needs more testing before it goes live. Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ - Skype: linktechs -- Create Wireless Coverage's with http://www.towercoverage.com/ www.towercoverage.com - 900Mhz - LTE - 3G - 3.65 - TV Whitespace From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ Total Control Panel Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire. net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire .net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260 993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID= 242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=2422609 93aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=2 42260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Not really, Fresnel zone size is a function of frequency and distance between the two end points. The zone is football shaped with the widest part of the zone half way between the two end points. Antenna patterns have nothing to do with Fresnel zone size. Here is a Fresnel Zone size calculator with a good basic illustration: http://www.wirelessconnections.net/calcs/FresnelZone.asp Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: Clay Stewart [mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:02 PM To: Brian Webster; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Yes, good way to look at it Brian, thanks. So, is there a minimum height per frequency... say for 900Mhz you should never shoot less then x feet', like less then 6'? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Fresnel zones are 180 degrees out of phase with even and odd numbered zones (1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on). When you design a path you strive for an exposed Fresnel zone of between 1 and .6 of the first zone, meaning you use the ground/trees/obstructions to block the second and higher numbered zones (this is only partially blocking the zone at the bottom). This minimizes the cancelling effect giving an apparent gain. A good visual example of this is to take a Flashlight such as a Mag light with an adjustable beam and shine it against the wall to see the circular pattern. Carefully look at that pattern and you will see light and dark rings, these are your Fresnel zones and the lighter ones are the odd numbered zones. The idea is you keep the first bright zone and eliminate the rest. This is why going higher is not always better on a PTP path to get more signal once you have cleared obstructions, going higher can expose more even numbered Fresnel zones with the phase cancelling and a reduction in signal due to same. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Can you explain this more? This isn't what I was getting at... but since you brought it up and it's been brought up before it might be worth explaining in more detail. I'm familiar with the concept but still can't grasp why it works. Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 On 4/10/14, 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Matt, Signals do change as you change height as you expose or conceal the even number Fresnel zones. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:24 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Excellent! On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: Ok, Ya’ll win. The programmers are working on this as we speak. Finding the needed height for the desired signal is going to be automatic. The site is going to look at the desired signal. If it is below what it should be the it is going to start raising the antenna until the desired signal is reached and return the estimated height needed for the link. You won’t need to click to move it up. This will be dynamic. Still needs more testing before it goes live. Jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? From 1:33 PM Eastern today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Including the .9472 days since you asked the question? *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:52 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'll give you 1.47 days. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: BTW, give us a day or two! Think we have a idea on this that will help! J *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer* * Author of Learn RouterOS- Second Edition http://www.wlan1.com/product_p/mikrotik%20book-2.htm” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net – *Skype*: linktechs * -- Create Wireless Coverage’s with *www.towercoverage.com *– 900Mhz – LTE – 3G – 3.65 – TV Whitespace * *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.netthis sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide *This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level.* ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
RF profiler for the iPad or iPhone. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
You can by editing site abnd changing cpe height. Do not know of any other way. On Apr 9, 2014 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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On Radio Mobile you have to add the site, just like towercoverage.com. On RM, though, you simply hit - or + to go up and down in height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: You can by editing site abnd changing cpe height. Do not know of any other way. On Apr 9, 2014 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Yes they do as your Fresnel zone changes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: blockquote Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: blockquote Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: blockquote Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Dunno. Like I said, I've never used towercoverage.com. I was just making some assumptions based on what Josh was saying. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com mailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Me either, I was speaking based upon what Josh was saying and how Radio Mobile works. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:42:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Dunno. Like I said, I've never used towercoverage.com. I was just making some assumptions based on what Josh was saying. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: blockquote Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: blockquote Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Sounds like we've all used Radio Mobile. So what I'm after is just like what it currently has, but instead of adding a site for the customer, just a simple click/dot (or hell another list would suffice at this point) so I can quickly and easily add a CPE. Then it pops up with the ptp window and I can raise/lower the CPE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Aren't they just computing them as a PtP each time a CPE is placed? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:31:54 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage map. If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual map not the multi map. Click the location you want to check. Click path analysis, save the link and site. Then open/edit the link to adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for. jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
THAT'S what I wanted! The only down fall is adjusting the height as easily as Radio Mobile. In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just looking at it. Can you add this feature on the multi map? What about punching in an address and then allowing us to click the house? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage map. If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual map not the multi map. Click the location you want to check. Click path analysis, save the link and site. Then open/edit the link to adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for. jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Well yes. I was assuming that was clear. RF Profiler does that very easily. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Yes they do as your Fresnel zone changes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
We are working on a new version with a number of new features. We are using the emails that come in to supp...@towercoverage.com with subject feature request to prioritize new stuff. Adjusting the height on the fly is in the queue. You have to save it to edit it at this point. Not really an option on the multi maps. When you run a path on a multi map, it runs a multi link (hidden for now but will have a multi link page in the future for backbone links). So it actually runs path from each tower on the multi map and returns the best 6 signals. Punching in an address and then click the house is already there. All of your maps have an address search field at the top left side. This is also available in the iframe if you don't select data collection. If you don't see it use ctrl - to zoom out on your browser. Once you search the address hit the map drop down at the top right side and select hybrid. You can then click to move the pin and run the path. Josh, if you do this manually and tell the caller you can't get them service, you are not fully utilizing the tool. It is a tool and just like any other tool you get better with practice. When someone calls into our office, the girls open our website and fill out the EUS form for the caller. Then they can say are you the house at the end of the street with a kidney shaped pool?. Then they will get oh, no we are the one just before that on the left. Now you have them in the data base. Even if they are a nogo you want this information. Mark the nogos as no signal in your web data page and they turn to a red X on your maps. You will then start getting clusters of red Xs to target new roll outs. Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? THAT'S what I wanted! The only down fall is adjusting the height as easily as Radio Mobile. In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just looking at it. Can you add this feature on the multi map? What about punching in an address and then allowing us to click the house? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage map. If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual map not the multi map. Click the location you want to check. Click path analysis, save the link and site. Then open/edit the link to adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for. jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Awesome, thanks for the answers. The path analysis is exactly what I was after (pending the feature addition, exactly what I want!) I'm not sure why the address bar didn't load on that map (it did previously and has since), but if it happens again I'll file a bug report. I made a trouble ticket, if you could check that out when you get a moment I'd appreciate it. Either there's a documentation issue or my account is missing it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are working on a new version with a number of new features. We are using the emails that come in to supp...@towercoverage.com with subject feature request to prioritize new stuff. Adjusting the height on the fly is in the queue. You have to save it to edit it at this point. Not really an option on the multi maps. When you run a path on a multi map, it runs a multi link (hidden for now but will have a multi link page in the future for backbone links). So it actually runs path from each tower on the multi map and returns the best 6 signals. Punching in an address and then click the house is already there. All of your maps have an address search field at the top left side. This is also available in the iframe if you don't select data collection. If you don't see it use ctrl - to zoom out on your browser. Once you search the address hit the map drop down at the top right side and select hybrid. You can then click to move the pin and run the path. Josh, if you do this manually and tell the caller you can't get them service, you are not fully utilizing the tool. It is a tool and just like any other tool you get better with practice. When someone calls into our office, the girls open our website and fill out the EUS form for the caller. Then they can say are you the house at the end of the street with a kidney shaped pool?. Then they will get oh, no we are the one just before that on the left. Now you have them in the data base. Even if they are a nogo you want this information. Mark the nogos as no signal in your web data page and they turn to a red X on your maps. You will then start getting clusters of red Xs to target new roll outs. Jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:15 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? THAT'S what I wanted! The only down fall is adjusting the height as easily as Radio Mobile. In my case, I don't want to save as I have no purpose beyond just looking at it. Can you add this feature on the multi map? What about punching in an address and then allowing us to click the house? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: The height is based on the average client antenna height on the coverage map. If I understand what you want to do correctly. Go to an individual map not the multi map. Click the location you want to check. Click path analysis, save the link and site. Then open/edit the link to adjust the height up until you get the signal you're looking for. jim *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
You are correct Kristian, Towercoverage.com is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the difference is multithreading on the CPUs. Roger has wrote a special exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for rendering on each server. We basically round robin the 20 processing servers. That is why we can render the maps in around 60 seconds as opposed to hours. If you or anyone else hasen't tried it your welcome to try it free. Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account settings. Ya'll are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk you through it and/or help with tweaking the settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Ya, I don't mean to discourage anyone from using your product. The features are really cool. I've just been doing it myself since the NTIA mapping stuff started, so I haven't needed to. I'll check it out anyway. Thanks, -Kristian On 04/09/2014 01:57 PM, Jim Patient wrote: You are correct Kristian, Towercoverage.com is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the difference is multithreading on the CPUs. Roger has wrote a special exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for rendering on each server. We basically round robin the 20 processing servers. That is why we can render the maps in around 60 seconds as opposed to hours. If you or anyone else hasent tried it your welcome to try it free. Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account settings. Yall are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk you through it and/or help with tweaking the settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com linktechs.net wlan1.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no "dynamically" changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increm
Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?
Kristian, one thing to consider is sales... we get enough sales off TC to pay for it! (using the web clip on our site) On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: Ya, I don't mean to discourage anyone from using your product. The features are really cool. I've just been doing it myself since the NTIA mapping stuff started, so I haven't needed to. I'll check it out anyway. Thanks, -Kristian On 04/09/2014 01:57 PM, Jim Patient wrote: You are correct Kristian, Towercoverage.com is basically Radio Mobile in the back end but the difference is multithreading on the CPUs. Roger has wrote a special exclusive version for this site to utilize all 8 cores for rendering on each server. We basically round robin the 20 processing servers. That is why we can render the maps in around 60 seconds as opposed to hours. If you or anyone else hasen’t tried it your welcome to try it free. Just sign up and use promo code WISPA in your account settings. Ya’ll are welcome to give me a call as well if you want me to walk you through it and/or help with tweaking the settings. Thx, Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 towercoverage.com linktechs.net wlan1.com [image: qr_new_cell] *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ? The limitation you're seeing of having to add another site to change the rx elevation is because calculating path loss to one point is relatively easy. Calculating it for the entire coverage area takes a fair amount of computing power, to the point that even on really fast hardware, it needs to be done ahead of time and cached. So, there's no dynamically changing the elevation of your plot. At best, they could pre-plot and cache a series of rx elevations and let you select from those choices. But if they let you have 4 choices (say 10, 15, 25, 35ft AGL), that would quadruple the amount of data they have to store for your (and potentially everyone's) coverage maps. Suffice it to say, the problem is non-trivial. I use Splat! instead of RadioMobile or towercoverage.com, but the algorithm and computational complexity is the same (they all use Longley Rice, last time I checked). The only thing I've seen that comes close to what you're asking was the guy doing near-real time viewshed magic, but I haven't heard or seen anything from him since WISPAPALOOZA 2012. -Kristian On 04/09/2014 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What? Have you ever used Radio Mobile? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Signals don't change as you increment heights. You're asking for real time foliage mapping. Not going to find it. On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is. What I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote: Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile. There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same list. I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly. I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too. There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http
