Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Scott Reed
I figured the 1:1 was what would have to happen. Since that ties up a public address, we charge for it. He wasn't real keen on that. Yes, we have 100+ customers per NATted public IP address. On 12/28/2010 11:10 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Another reason why you don't NAT at the border. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 6:57 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/28/2010 7:04 PM,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
4.6 in Mikrotik On Dec 29, 2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple XBoxes. - Mike

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Scott Reed
Doesn't UPnP require the NAT device be the next upstream device? On 12/29/2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just forward port 3074 (I think that's the port) to the XBox's IP. Newer versions (I forget the starting version) will do uPNP with multiple

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I would assume so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/29/2010 8:23 AM, Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't UPnP require the NAT device be the next upstream device? On 12/29/2010 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: My XBox has had Open NAT since 2.9.x. You just

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Yes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I would assume so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/29/2010

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I NAT at the border just fine. It is 1:1 and not 100:1 however. I provide the first public free, the next (for 2+ consoles) is extra. I wish IPv6 was moving faster. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Another reason why you don't NAT at the border.

[WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Sam Tetherow
Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Josh Luthman
Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Josh Luthman
That's my point. I am pretty sure you can dstnat and the other xbox will stay closed/restricted NAT. On Dec 28, 2010 7:57 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Scott Reed
Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread RickG
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find

Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder

2010-12-28 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it the default for all packets on their NAT IP. I nat at the border and just assign another IP and do subnet:1 NAt and then make the console the default. Do you have more then 1 customer per NAT IP?? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Reed