RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
Well, Kurt, here's a piece of the "Terms of Agreement" that a RoadRunner subscriber contractually agrees to: "Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and Subscriber agrees not to use the Service for operation as an Internet Service Provider, to host web sites for other parties or for any other business enterprise or to connect the cable modem to any server or to any computer outside the Subscriber's premises." . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kurt FankhauserSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:28 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this? That doesnt sound like a good idea, if they even do get it to work they will have a hard time tracking down someone one that is spamming, making viruses, etc. Wonder what those guys were smoking when they thought of that over there in mushroom laboratories? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan SchmidtSent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:16 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] Can you believe this? January 16, 2006 Sharing Broadband to Increase Speed By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 - Two West Coast start-up companies have built new wireless technologies that take to heart Benjamin Franklin's exhortation to hang together rather than hang separately. Both Mushroom Networks, which was started at the University of California, San Diego, and WiBoost Inc., based in Seattle, have built prototypes of simple wireless systems that make it possible for groups of neighbors to share their D.S.L. or cable Internet connections. Both companies said that sharing high-speed lines might enable users in small neighborhood clusters to download files and Web pages up to 10 times faster. The two companies, which developed their technologies separately, are taking slightly different approaches. But in both cases, neighbors would be able to connect relatively standard wireless routers that would permit their computers to receive data in parallel from multiple D.S.L. or cable network connections. The idea is similar to adding lanes to a freeway to improve traffic flow. WiBoost, which is also the name of the company's technology system, now requires an antenna mounted outside the home. The company is exploring ways to license its technology to manufacturers and hopes to make WiBoost devices available for $200 to $300. In flat areas with minimal obstructions, the system might be able to link homes separated by several miles, with do-it-yourself installation. Mushroom Networks is conducting trials using a device called an access point aggregator that is similar to a conventional home Wi-Fi router. It is intended to be used to connect homes or businesses that are closer together. In principle, these technologies could work for a large group of neighbors, even with just a few Internet access points. That capacity - which could reduce the cost of Internet access considerably for its users - could, however, create substantial opposition from Internet service providers. Many of them are vigilant about restricting the sharing of individual network access points. Both companies said they were going to great lengths to assure service providers that they did not plan to become bandwidth Napsters, a reference to the music file-sharing company that raised havoc with the audio recording industry. The idea of linking several Internet data channels for greater speed is not a new one, but exploring a consumer application for the technology is a fresh notion, said Rene L. Cruz, a University of California computer scientist and founder of Mushroom Networks. "We're pretty excited about the concept," he said. "We're looking for validation and we're looking for market demand." The technology has merits, said George Henny, the president of Whidbey Telecom, an independent telecommunications firm based on Whidbey Island, Wash. "There is an interesting potential for this technology," he said, "and it would be fun to put it in place." The concept is related to the concept of wireless mesh networking, a technique that is used to extend Wi-Fi and related wireless networking standards over large areas by relaying Internet data among wireless receivers. In this use, the two firms are exploiting the fact that most computer ne
RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
So even if they did get it to work they cant use it without breaking their contract? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this? Well, Kurt, here's a piece of the Terms of Agreement that a RoadRunner subscriber contractually agrees to: Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and Subscriber agrees not to use the Service for operation as an Internet Service Provider, to host web sites for other parties or for any other business enterprise or to connect the cable modem to any server or to any computer outside the Subscriber's premises. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this? That doesnt sound like a good idea, if they even do get it to work they will have a hard time tracking down someone one that is spamming, making viruses, etc. Wonder what those guys were smoking when they thought of that over there in mushroom laboratories? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Can you believe this? January 16, 2006 Sharing Broadband to Increase Speed By JOHN MARKOFF SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 15 - Two West Coast start-up companies have built new wireless technologies that take to heart Benjamin Franklin's exhortation to hang together rather than hang separately. Both Mushroom Networks, which was started at the University of California, San Diego, and WiBoost Inc., based in Seattle, have built prototypes of simple wireless systems that make it possible for groups of neighbors to share their D.S.L. or cable Internet connections. Both companies said that sharing high-speed lines might enable users in small neighborhood clusters to download files and Web pages up to 10 times faster. The two companies, which developed their technologies separately, are taking slightly different approaches. But in both cases, neighbors would be able to connect relatively standard wireless routers that would permit their computers to receive data in parallel from multiple D.S.L. or cable network connections. The idea is similar to adding lanes to a freeway to improve traffic flow. WiBoost, which is also the name of the company's technology system, now requires an antenna mounted outside the home. The company is exploring ways to license its technology to manufacturers and hopes to make WiBoost devices available for $200 to $300. In flat areas with minimal obstructions, the system might be able to link homes separated by several miles, with do-it-yourself installation. Mushroom Networks is conducting trials using a device called an access point aggregator that is similar to a conventional home Wi-Fi router. It is intended to be used to connect homes or businesses that are closer together. In principle, these technologies could work for a large group of neighbors, even with just a few Internet access points. That capacity - which could reduce the cost of Internet access considerably for its users - could, however, create substantial opposition from Internet service providers. Many of them are vigilant about restricting the sharing of individual network access points. Both companies said they were going to great lengths to assure service providers that they did not plan to become bandwidth Napsters, a reference to the music file-sharing company that raised havoc with the audio recording industry. The idea of linking several Internet data channels for greater speed is not a new one, but exploring a consumer application for the technology is a fresh notion, said Rene L. Cruz, a University of California computer scientist and founder of Mushroom Networks. We're pretty excited about the concept, he said. We're looking for validation and we're looking for market demand. The technology has merits, said George Henny, the president of Whidbey Telecom, an independent telecommunications firm based on Whidbey Island, Wash. There is an interesting potential for this technology, he said, and it would be fun to put it in place. The concept is related to the concept of wireless mesh networking, a technique that is used to extend Wi-Fi and related wireless networking standards over large areas
RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: But, yes, the Terms of Agreement for broadband contracts usually specify limiting access to the premises on the address of the contract. Otherwise, for $50 an apartment manager could get a router and hub and wire up the building and give free Internet access. It all depends on the ISP. One of my personal favorites is Speakeasy, who has a special program just for this. http://www.speakeasy.net/netshare/learnmore/ It's not quite the same, but close. Basically you set up an access point and secure it yourself, Speakeasy bills them, and give you 80% of whatever they're billed. The end-user/el-cheapo-WISP-op selects their own price, Speakeasy bills 'em and gives kickbacks. Basically what a lot of people are doing anyway, I'm sure, just with more paperwork and less TOS-violation. As an aside, Speakeasy's TOS say you can't resell their residential service plans, but there's no prohibition on this for business plans, which only average an extra twenty bucks or so per month. They also give out lots of static IPs on most of their plans, expressly permit end-users to run most servers, and generally do all sorts of wacky stuff. Despite working for a WISP, I can't get my company's service at my house. If it were available here, I'd be a Speakeasy customer in no time, because they're so friendly to the geek market. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Can you believe this?
snip Despite working for a WISP, I can't get my company's service at my house. If it were available here, I'd be a Speakeasy customer in no time, because they're so friendly to the geek market. /snip Out of curiosity -- how does allowing connection sharing qualify as being friendly to the geek market? -Charles --- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
