Charles Wu wrote:
Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per
minute?
.2 cents; 2 cents a minute wouldn't be a very good deal.
-Matt
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care to share who you're using for termination or how much volume you're
purchasing?
Matt Liotta wrote:
Charles Wu wrote:
Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5
cents per
minute?
.2 cents; 2 cents a minute wouldn't be a very good deal.
-Matt
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I can't share that information.
-Matt
Brian Whigham wrote:
care to share who you're using for termination or how much volume
you're purchasing?
Matt Liotta wrote:
Charles Wu wrote:
Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5
cents per
minute?
.2 cents; 2
Nuvio and CommPartners rely on Intrada for 911, just like Vonage.
As the Vonage IPO so clearly pointed out, 911 coverage is spotty at best.
Residential 911 is harder due to the nomadic possibilities.
CallVantage has taken measures to cover their butts and Lingo is working
on it.
But Intrado is
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company.
Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to
make a profit.
Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make
money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more
about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing
anything I can about them right now.
Thanks,
Scriv
Peter R. wrote:
You haven't
Delta3 - is the EBITA?
DSJ
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Primus tells me they are more than
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up
for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using
the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time. There is
no money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate your own
equipment.
I'm a little behind on it, but I'm definately interested in all
opinions and options.
Thanks!
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Primus
and myself.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Delta3 - is the EBITA?
DSJ
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having a hard time understanding why it cannot be profitable, at
least on some level.
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Quite
Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994.
Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in
International exchanges.
Primus has short term debt of $26M; long term is $635M.
About to be de-listed from Nasdaq.
Net loss for the fourth quarter 2005
, March 06, 2006 2:05 PM
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Primus is a big International LD company. That is how it began in 1994.
Check out the Primus Wireless plan. Cellular and VOIP are based in
International exchanges.
Primus has
, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make
money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more
about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing
anything I can about
Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quite simply, VoIP will be free in the long run. Use it to sell
bandwidth or what have you, but don't plan on profiting from it
directly outside
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Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them
up for a very CommPartners like
Issues such as LNP, E-911, 411, CALEA, yellow page listings, and taxes
will take a bite out of any profit.
Even termination, origination and DIDs cost money.
Let's say you get a 2 way CLEC PRI for $615 + DIDs at $10 per 20.
And let's say the CLEC will do your LNP and 911.
$615 divided by 23
, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting our
network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is outsourced
doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. Therefore, I
believe that you
, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?)
But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for
Dedicated LD).
E-911 is not cheap
You might have just had a bad experience.
I beta tested the Primus Business VOIP product in 2004 and my only
complaint was that after talking for 75 minutes on one call, it would
die. And the Cisco ATA needed to be rebooted a lot.
Peter
KyWiFi LLC wrote:
Hi Scriv,
We tried Lingo but could
, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting
our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is
outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS.
Therefore, I
You're a CLEC, right?
Matt Liotta wrote:
The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds
great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect
to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay
between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on
.
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The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds
great in theory. From our standpoint
Nope
-Matt
Peter R. wrote:
You're a CLEC, right?
Matt Liotta wrote:
The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds
great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to
connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill.
We pay between
DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP
: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say sell?)
But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for
Dedicated LD).
E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally
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Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say
sell?)
But termination
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RANT
I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but
without
General List
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RANT
I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but
without e911. I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our service
just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this whole e911
snip
I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have even
given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some more beer and
thoughts on that :-)
/snip
Mac,
You need some BEER -N- WIRELESS GEAR
-Charles
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The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds
great
Of KyWiFi LLC
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:12 PM
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Hi Scriv,
We tried Lingo but could not get it to work reliably and
their voice quality was horrible when it did work. Their
support is overseas so expect to be treated like
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Mac - as I stated - None of these #s are local. Which means
)
Rayville, La.
318.728.8600
318.303.4228
318.303.4229
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the problem is, Johnny's
: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:11 AM
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the problem is, Johnny's in an area where his local C.O. isn't tapped
by the major LNP-able VOIP or Voice guys. No one, and I've looked
and spoken to many, has 337-774 portable...
JohnnyO wrote:
Ok -
#1
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Mac, you're right, but the local-dialing problem is the one Johnny's
trying to solve, with NO CALL FORWARDING involved, which would incur him
extra charges
-tel.uswww.RadioResponse.org (Katrina
Relief)Rayville, La.318.728.8600 318.303.4228318.303.4229
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JohnnyO
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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:59
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appliance
Mac - you
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The Hell you say I can't!
Pick your towns and get the check book out -
$50.00 per number and start talking!!! This includes unlimited long distance
as well as local calls - - -with all
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.com
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From: JohnnyO
To: Mac Dearman
Cc: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Just send me a connection fee and I will take care of the
rest of it :-)
How many lines, whats the area code and how fast do you
need them? With 911 of course.
Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.Authorized Barracuda
ResellerMikroTik RouterOS
Mac - you can't provide it either Please let me know if you can...
337-774
Let me know if you can provide local to me service - Also - will you sell me unlimited plans ? I'd be willing to pay $50.00/mo for unlimited useage. They only use about 9000-12000 LOCAL minutes per month
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