Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Jack Unger
Patrick, Good list. One question that I have... Does the VL use polling or is it CSMA/CA? Your list says it is not some basic CSMA/CA but does that mean it is or is not CSMA/CA? Thanks very much, jack Patrick Leary wrote: I believe most if not all of the below are

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs There are arguments against dual band support, as we have discussed before, though you ridicule our sincere reasoning and call it BS (which is why I am cautious about discussing

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Brad Belton
lolyou are kidding right Patrick? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Hi Tom. What hardware features are you

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Anthony Will
@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs If you're serving the residential market, and price is the big concern, it's worth noting that Canopy has a $40 / customer residential rebate program that's been going on for almost 2 years now It's also

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs lolyou are kidding right Patrick? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA

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2006-09-24 Thread Travis Johnson
@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs If you're serving the residential market, and price is the big concern, it's worth noting that Canopy has a $40 / customer residential rebate program that's been going on for almost 2 years now It's also worth

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Patrick Leary
] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs Ahhh... there's always a catch... so now Motorola has your customer's address and can use that for their own marketing, etc. without you ever knowing. They could possibly even

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-24 Thread Anthony Will
the financing? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs If you're serving

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs I guess I left the door open for comments like feature rich firmware what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM number stays the same on the AP with each reboot or SM re-association

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2006-09-23 Thread Matt Liotta
Travis Johnson wrote: Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is full. We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site survey at this location across the entire 2.4ghz band, the

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Charles Wu
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what qualities? I have a couple hundred

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Matt Liotta
Gino A. Villarini wrote: GPS sync is extra $$. Of course you can also just string sync cables between radios for free. True, but this is truly what makes canopy works and you have nice 3rd party options like www.lastmilegear.com and www.packetflux.com for the gps sync units that start @

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Anthony Will
Yes...I'm back WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs Your

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Charles Wu
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs If you're serving the residential market, and price is the big concern, it's worth noting that Canopy has a $40 / customer

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Anthony Will
I will agree that Trango prices are lower then Moto Canopy. The 900mhz can come with integrated or connectorized for different prices but they are more expensive then what I listed. I just wanted to show that the difference in pricing is not a world of difference that Alvarion. You have to

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Anthony Will
So does anyone out there use the Alvarion VL and willing to give real pricing and feature set? I am interested in how it stacks up for a BH solution. Anthony Will Broadband Crop. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this discussion (Trango

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Travis Johnson
The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I have to do a 50/50 split, which means even the Advantage product only provides 7Mbps of usable

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Matt Liotta
Travis Johnson wrote: The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I have to do a 50/50 split, which means even the Advantage product only

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Charles Wu
, September 23, 2006 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I have to do a 50/50

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Charles Wu
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs Travis Johnson wrote: The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Brad Belton
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Keep in mind...although, as techies, we love to get into a my @[EMAIL PROTECTED] is bigger/better then yours debate, the simple

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get 512k down and 512k up. So, if I use Canopy, I

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Gino Villarini
Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs The biggest reason we use Trango

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Travis Johnson
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs The biggest reason we use Trango is because we sell our wireless service as symmetrical. Even on the residential level, if they purchase 512k they get 512k down

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs So

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Patrick Leary wrote: How much detail do you want? Those not familiar with Alvarion are generally shocked at the level of what can be done in terms of features. Makes Trango and Canopy look like a kindergartener's product. But to be candid, that level of detail is also

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-23 Thread Patrick Leary
I believe most if not all of the below are features not found among Trango or Canopy. I list a few of the advanced features. A few of these (probably some you have never heard of before or even thought of) I show in detail. Maybe this post will also explain why the VL is not simply an

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Patrick Leary
I have a very interesting new (this month) pdf about this topic that compares Canopy Advantage and BreezeACCESS VL in a variety of ways, from a coverage modeling example using high end propagation software to VoIP stats using company documents from both companies. We think it makes a clear case

RE: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Let me comment on this #Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974) is this MRSP ? you can buy this the AP for $800 +/- , Advantage for $1500 #C/I advantage #Fixed up/down ratio Add GPS Sync, Feature rich firmware, NMS Software, Strong support, Good promos, Only Manufacturer to offer price

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Anthony Will
Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what qualities? I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th largest

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson
I guess I left the door open for comments like feature rich firmware what does THAT mean? It definately doesn't mean the SM number stays the same on the AP with each reboot or SM re-association.. ;) GPS sync is extra $$. NMS software is extra $$. The pricing I listed was MSRP (or what I

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Trango offers many different CPE (5830, Fox, Fox Atlas, etc.). They have listed on their website the Fox Atlas CPE for $149 for a 30 pack pricing. This is a 10Mbps radio and with a $30 dish will reach up to 10 miles. I currently have a 22 mile 900mhz link with Trango (using an omni on the

Re: [WISPA] vendor specs

2006-09-22 Thread Jon Langeler
My problem with VL is that it doesn't offer a scheduled mac...no syncronization capability. Now if this get's incorporated down the line I would be interested? We've used it all, you name it, and at this point if it doesn't have GPS sync I'm hesitant to even touch it. That is one advantage

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