, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Hey Brad, VOIP may be the only thing canopy is lagging in. I'm curious
if they'll improve that in the version 8 software release or at least
when they move toward WIMAX compatibility
, September 22, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Tom,
You won't customize a Fox unit because it's not FCC compliant, yet you are
running StarOS on WAR boards which is also not FCC compliant. ;)
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The answer
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Tom,
I hate to say this, but I think you missed the boat on your three
$500/mo subs. Trango still offers a 5830-EXT unit for $729 (retail)
that would have allowed you the external antenna that was so critical
for these links
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Tom, so what you are changing the Trangos to ?
Also, you can hack yourself a EXT Fox ...
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:25 PM
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Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used
5830-ext
in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:03 AM
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Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use Canopy?
Brian
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Because, over the years I lost 100
My goal is to gain the High Arpu business.
Tom, that is exactly where Alvarion excels and why it is my opinion that
the more premium an operator becomes in the total quality of their
service, the more likely an operator is to choose Alvarion. And these
customers have different service level
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle
Charles Wu wrote:
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:03 AM
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Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use
Canopy
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:10 PM
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Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's
class(and happens to be #1 deployed in US), anyone
traffic
or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM
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Since canopy is the most robust
. Brad
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM
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Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's
class
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:19 PM
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I believe we have one of the highest APRUs in the business and we use
Canopy (including Orthogon). We do like the Trango Atlas, but only
Patrick Leary wrote:
You pay more per customer than an Alvarion user Matt since all your
customers are on dedicated PtP shots though, right?
Last time I looked at Alvarion's pricing that wasn't the case. We do use
a lot PtP shots, but all of our customers aren't on dedicated PtP shots.
We
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:39 PM
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Patrick
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From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's
class
, 2006
4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL
Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Patrick,
I think I know what you mean, but can you elaborate: do you
mean [4-1Mbps customers] on [1Mbps of radio capacity]?
Thanks.
Mario
Patrick Leary wrote:
We advise of a residential
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
I am not suggesting that Canopy shouldn't be better, but it is certainly
better than good enough. Again, not only are we leading the industry in
ARPU, we also
Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only
extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using
canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3
different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest that
there isn't
data traffic
or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Since canopy
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
As much as I've protested Canopy, (in my mind poor design), the smaller the
gaps are getting.
The problem is that Trango kept degrading their gear more and more like
Canopy. And Canopy kept improving their gear
John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the
manufacturer/vendor you used.
Regarding the radios you're using now.
Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never
switched out.
It's hard to try other technologies that appear less expensive, when
the one
: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
John,
Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the
manufacturer/vendor you used.
Regarding the radios you're using now.
Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never switched
out.
It's hard to try other
what a Trango M5830AP can do in a noisy
environment.
As with most things YMMV.
Best,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL
I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor to radio
selection out on the table too... price.
Trango retail pricing:
Trango Link10-EXT's are $1,500 for a complete link.
Trango 5830AP-EXTs are $1,095
Trango 5830SU-EXT's are $729
Trango FOX are $149
Alvarion pricing (not sure if this
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way,
that VL AU also delivers over 32Mbps net
Patrick Leary wrote:
Here are the net rates per mod for VL:
Avg Avg
FTPLayer 2
Modulation 1 4.96 5.56
Modulation 2 7.28 8.16
Modulation 3 9.911.10
Modulation 4 14.35 16.09
Modulation 5 19.38 21.73
Modulation 6 26.77 30.01
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM
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Patrick Leary wrote:
Here
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way,
that VL AU also delivers over 32Mbps net
-Original Message-
From: Ed Wyatt
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:29 PM
To: Patrick Leary; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
This was done in the lab with Rev C hardware running FTP traffic. And
then the Layer 2 traffic was done
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Tom,
I hate to say this, but I
Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Agreed that Trango has clearly
DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext
in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my business. The
reason
,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Brad,
I got an idea! How about Trango Fix ARQ
, September 21, 2006 6:59 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Hello Tom,
Brag about networks? Still do! lol
Believe me when I say you're preaching to the choir when it comes to
Trango.
It has been a wild ride UP with the 5800/5830
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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
Cat doesn't have my tongue Brad. I'm just doing my best not to take the
bait.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
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What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels.,
'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I
move
, 2006 11:24 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links
snip
What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and
move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to
effectively battle it out. The reason
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