Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
My iphone has a SIP client that can do this -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Paragon Wireless makes a great dual-mode phone that works flawlessly GSM/Wi-Fi VoIP (my boss has been using one for over a year). About $400 retail, and $250 bulk. We considered introducing the phone, but chose not to. It's a more complex sale and marketing challenge, coupled with additional customer service requirements. Also a significant inventory carrying cost if we were to wholesale the product. Ron -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? My iphone has a SIP client that can do this -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Didn't you see my post? That should work independent of what the carrier does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:01 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
There are several - the calls completed over WiFi are not, however, Cellular calls - they are VOIP calls Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Interesting article in regards to your topic. http://www.voipplanet.com/trends/article.php/3820346 I'm out here in the sticks with limited cell coverage in a lot of areas and this looks like a promising line of business. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
It does exist. On t-mobile. Att offers inferior service. Call them and ask for the same features as t-mobile. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:01:19 To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Most of the HTC mobile line does this. I have a 8125 and a 8525 that work very well.. Ryan On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:12 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
T-mobile cell phones work over wifi. 1 number. I use it all the time. George Rogato wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all the time, along with heavy torrenting and other use. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
http://www.villagetelco.org/ Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone. It even went through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just fine (after it dried out for a few hours). I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my SIP extension first, then the cell phone number. It's not perfect, but it works pretty well. Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically. If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy. If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It works like this: 1) Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone 2) Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider 3) Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server. 4) Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box 5) Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer 6) Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and GSM if not available. 7) e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!) 8) Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your VOIP server. In theory, this seems like it would work really well. In my area, cell coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, rather than the cell carrier. Since the cell component would be a pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they run down. And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream. Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this. At least none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 phone. We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this work. Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are offering now. Anyone else out there doing something like this? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your situation may be different... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Blackberry Flip or Bold using UMA service (if enabled by operator). -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Using the Wifi service to connect to your carrier? Only 1 I know of - Cincinnati Bell (Fusion service). You can use the Blackberries with Wifi (8820 and Bold are GSM ones) and install Nimbuzz. The Nokia e85 or n95 has a nice SIP client. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the HP smart phones. Rk On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Realize that most of this is carrier dependent, I believe... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote: The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the HP smart phones. Rk On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Iphone+skype = VOIP Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote: The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the HP smart phones. Rk On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John.bates Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:49 PM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Iphone+skype = VOIP Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote: The iPhone will do data via wifi. And I'm pretty sure I recall running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip. I think they were the HP smart phones. Rk On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your situation may be different... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone. It even went through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just fine (after it dried out for a few hours). I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my SIP extension first, then the cell phone number. It's not perfect, but it works pretty well. Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically. If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy. If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It works like this: 1) Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone 2) Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider 3) Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server. 4) Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box 5) Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer 6) Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and GSM if not available. 7) e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!) 8) Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your VOIP server. In theory, this seems like it would work really well. In my area, cell coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, rather than the cell carrier. Since the cell component would be a pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they run down. And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream. Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this. At least none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 phone. We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this work. Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are offering now. Anyone else out there doing something like this? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your situation may be different... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
On May 26, 2009, at 7:28 PM, George Rogato wrote: So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? George, look into T-Mobile's Hotspot at Home service. It came out nationwide summer 2007. It will use Wifi, and then smoothly switch to a t-mobile tower if necessary. I think it uses the UMA technology someone else mentioned. I had one for about a year and a half, and it generally worked fine. PS - T-Mobile would supply a WiFi access point that supported QOS, but it worked with most APs. Hmmm, we have a commuter bus in town that runs to the Detroit airport, they have WiFI on the bus. Once I was on the sidewalk next to the bus and made a phone call over their wifi. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Many. Look at uMobility or Davitas. Software solutions for existing phones. Windows Mobile, Symbian, iPhone, and Black Berries are supported, though only a subset of that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Another item to look into is femtocells. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Love my Blackberry Curve. With T-mobile they can automatically do UMA. At my house all cell carriers have crappy signal but with UMA I have no problems with my Curve 8900. When we where. In Europe last summer we got international dataplan so we could do all emails we wanted and paid a small fee per mb of regular (none e-mail) traffic. If I needed to place a phone call just made sure I was on a wifi connection and turned off my cell signal for safety and made all the calls I needed just like I was at home (no extra charges just like I was in the states). Skype service with phone calling was announced a while back for Blackberries. Found a few sip clients but they where all tied to specific sip carriers service would be nice with a open sip client so it could be tied directly into our asterisk box. /Eje --Original Message-- From: George Rogato Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Sent: May 26, 2009 17:12 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
