Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Yes I have at least 75 clients with Tranzeo's (Router) connecting to StarOS. However, the StarOS AP's that I have are OLD WRAP boards with StarOS version 2.11.0. I had nothing but problems with the WAR boards as AP's due to the crappy HOTSPOT Valemont went to on v3 and lots of problems with VPN clients. begin rant that and Lonnie told me that I was clueless and to go out of business so that someone else that had a clue could take my customers G end Rant We are going to Mikrotik for all AP's due to the above rant. We still use lots of StarOS for Backhauls. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? While I am not certain that it is a Tranzeo issue, I do know that it is something we are able to cause 100% of the time only on Tranzeo units. It is possible that it is something in our configuration but so far we not found anything. Steve Barnes - Do you have any setups where you are have staros for the AP and a Tranzeo unit in router mode at the client? Kurt - we have no evidence that it is related to P2P being installed on the client machine. We see the problem on any type of download regardless of how it is done. Steve Steve Barnes wrote: I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Nealkevinsafel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Yes I have at least 75 clients with Tranzeo's (Router) connecting to StarOS. However, the StarOS AP's that I have are OLD WRAP boards with StarOS version 2.11.0. I had nothing but problems with the WAR boards as AP's due to the crappy HOTSPOT Valemont went to on v3 and lots of problems with VPN clients. begin rant that and Lonnie told me that I was clueless and to go out of business so that someone else that had a clue could take my customers G end Rant We are going to Mikrotik for all AP's due to the above rant. We still use lots of StarOS for Backhauls. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? While I am not certain that it is a Tranzeo issue, I do know that it is something we are able to cause 100% of the time only on Tranzeo units. It is possible that it is something in our configuration but so far we not found anything. Steve Barnes - Do you have any setups where you are have staros for the AP and a Tranzeo unit in router mode at the client? Kurt - we have no evidence that it is related to P2P being installed on the client machine. We see the problem on any type of download regardless of how it is done. Steve Steve Barnes wrote: I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
We have been seeing a couple issues with old Linksys WRT54Gs passing private IP addresses down the PPPoE tunnel. It is almost like the NAT table gets full, or there isn't enough memory to keep it all, then gets corrupt. I wonder if this is similar to what the Tranzeo's are doing. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Didn't mean to reply to my post, but I forgot to add that I also found P2P software running on the routers we had issues with. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? We have been seeing a couple issues with old Linksys WRT54Gs passing private IP addresses down the PPPoE tunnel. It is almost like the NAT table gets full, or there isn't enough memory to keep it all, then gets corrupt. I wonder if this is similar to what the Tranzeo's are doing. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I have a couple hundred Tranzeo radios (mixed models) on a StarOS WRAP AP network. I have not seen any issues except passing traffic with Belkin routers. -RickG On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Yes I have at least 75 clients with Tranzeo's (Router) connecting to StarOS. However, the StarOS AP's that I have are OLD WRAP boards with StarOS version 2.11.0. I had nothing but problems with the WAR boards as AP's due to the crappy HOTSPOT Valemont went to on v3 and lots of problems with VPN clients. begin rant that and Lonnie told me that I was clueless and to go out of business so that someone else that had a clue could take my customers G end Rant We are going to Mikrotik for all AP's due to the above rant. We still use lots of StarOS for Backhauls. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? While I am not certain that it is a Tranzeo issue, I do know that it is something we are able to cause 100% of the time only on Tranzeo units. It is possible that it is something in our configuration but so far we not found anything. Steve Barnes - Do you have any setups where you are have staros for the AP and a Tranzeo unit in router mode at the client? Kurt - we have no evidence that it is related to P2P being installed on the client machine. We see the problem on any type of download regardless of how it is done. Steve Steve Barnes wrote: I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I don't think it is an issue with the Mikrotik. The reason for saying that is that we do not see a problem with any type of system other than the Tranzeo. We still have a few Orinoco based units in the field and they can double NAT without problem. We can also but the CPQ in bridge mode and use the client based wireless router doing double NAT and there are no problems. So far we have tried four different systems at the client locations, Tranzeo, Orinoco, Linksys, Belkin. Only the Tranzeo fails. We have showed Tranzeo all of the configuration settings and have set a unit up so they can log into it an look around. They have declined to log in but have reviewed the configuration and say we have everything correct. Since some of you with very similar setups are not seeing a problem then I am guessing we have something wrong. But we are failing to find what we are missing. steve Kevin Neal wrote: I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Kevin Nealkevinsafel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeding just about every version from 2.9.51 to 3.24 on our servers. Let me know if you need any version in between. -Kevin On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Steve Barnesst...@pcswin.com wrote: Yes I have at least 75 clients with Tranzeo's (Router) connecting to StarOS. However, the StarOS AP's that I have are OLD WRAP boards with StarOS version 2.11.0. I had nothing but problems with the WAR boards as AP's due to the crappy HOTSPOT Valemont went to on v3 and lots of problems with VPN clients. begin rant that and Lonnie told me that I was clueless and to go out of business so that someone else that had a clue could take my customers G end Rant We are going to Mikrotik for all AP's due to the above rant. We still use lots of StarOS for Backhauls. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? While I am not certain that it is a Tranzeo issue, I do know that it is something we are able to cause 100% of the time only on Tranzeo units. It is possible that it is something in our configuration but so far we not found anything. Steve Barnes - Do you have any setups where you are have staros for the AP and a Tranzeo unit in router mode at the client? Kurt - we have no evidence that it is related to P2P being installed on the client machine. We see the problem on any type of download regardless of how it is done. Steve Steve Barnes wrote: I have looked into what you are all having issue with. I use a combo of StarOS and Mikrotik. I have one tower that has 49 Connections currently. The AP is a RB411a with a XR2 on V3.17. ALL and I mean ALL clients are Tranzeo CPQ/SL2 with 3.6.7 or 3.5.2 all in router mode only. I have not had any of the issues that this thread started out talking about. If someone is really in need and wants to contact me off-list I would be willing to give them Read-Only access to the AP to look at it. Also if you need various firmware versions for Mikrotik, I have a link to a certain WISPA board members web site that has ALL the versions archived. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Well, this definetly has something to do with having P2P installed on any machine behind the CPQ router because I can trigger this 100% of the time by launching limewire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? So we now have WISPs with both StarOS and Mtik AP's that are having issues with the Router mode of CPQ/SL2. Wonder what Tranzeo would say about this? Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
We've had other issues with the latest firmware, we mostly use Cisco APs, after a fw 4.0.2 radio associates, it will take anywhere from 2-10 minutes before the radio can pass any traffic, this issue wasn't present in 3.6.7. Their new management VLAN tagging feature only works with Tranzeo APs, it will ignore any tagged VLANS packets from Cisco or StarOS APs I never got anywhere with tech support and they ended up just closing the ticket. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2. I've not noticed what you're talking about. I tend to only update firmware when something's not working though, so I may not have noticed for a while. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Dropping you an off-list response with much more detail. But also posting here to report that we are seeing a very similar problem. We are seeing the Tranzeo units fail to sustain downloads after two to five minutes when they are in router mode performing NAT. Tranzeo is blaming Mikrotik. However, we have been able to prove that the failure is unique to the Tranzeo unit. Our solution is the same as yours. Do not use the Tranzeo in router mode. Put it in bridge mod and all is well. We have tested non-Tranzeo radios in router mode and there is no problem. We are finding that the problem exists for both firmware versions 3.6.7 and 4.0.2. We are not seeing any problems with the connections or the pings when the downloads fail. It seems to be a time related issue rather than related to the amount of data moved. Download failure occurs 100% of the time when the Tranzeo is in routed mode. Downloading the same file from the same source when the Tranzeo is in bridge never fails. Download failures always occur within 2 to 5 minutes and are not dependent on the mode of file transfer. Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. HA! This is funny because back in the Tranzeo/MT disconnect days of last summer wasn't the problem traced to Tranzeo firmware not following 802.11 spec? And tranzeo still wouldn't fix it so Mikrotik jumped in and saved us all from Tranzeo's problem After this is all said and done who would ever want to deploy Tranzeo 3.65Ghz gear when they can't even get the simple 802.11 stuff right! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Dropping you an off-list response with much more detail. But also posting here to report that we are seeing a very similar problem. We are seeing the Tranzeo units fail to sustain downloads after two to five minutes when they are in router mode performing NAT. Tranzeo is blaming Mikrotik. However, we have been able to prove that the failure is unique to the Tranzeo unit. Our solution is the same as yours. Do not use the Tranzeo in router mode. Put it in bridge mod and all is well. We have tested non-Tranzeo radios in router mode and there is no problem. We are finding that the problem exists for both firmware versions 3.6.7 and 4.0.2. We are not seeing any problems with the connections or the pings when the downloads fail. It seems to be a time related issue rather than related to the amount of data moved. Download failure occurs 100% of the time when the Tranzeo is in routed mode. Downloading the same file from the same source when the Tranzeo is in bridge never fails. Download failures always occur within 2 to 5 minutes and are not dependent on the mode of file transfer. Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell Kurt Fankhauser wrote: All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Wasn't Tranzeo that diagnosed the disconnect problem? On 6/9/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Marlon, I would stongly advise against doing any firmware upgrades to 4.0.2 for the sake of your customers. We almost lost ours last year with the Tranzeo re-asocciation issues last time around Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2. I've not noticed what you're talking about. I tend to only update firmware when something's not working though, so I may not have noticed for a while. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Well I thought that it happened this way, I may be wrong, - Tranzeo didn't want to look at the problem and somebody on the list did some packet sniffing and the Tranzeo's were randomly sending a bunch of 0o0o0o0o0's and the Mikrotik didn't know how to interpret that so it dropped all the clients and started over. The random 0's was not supposed to be in the 802.11 spec and I think that Mikrotik did a work around that ignored them. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Wasn't Tranzeo that diagnosed the disconnect problem? On 6/9/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Marlon, I would stongly advise against doing any firmware upgrades to 4.0.2 for the sake of your customers. We almost lost ours last year with the Tranzeo re-asocciation issues last time around Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2. I've not noticed what you're talking about. I tend to only update firmware when something's not working though, so I may not have noticed for a while. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
http://www.tranzeofaq.com/oct102008.html ryan Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Well I thought that it happened this way, I may be wrong, - Tranzeo didn't want to look at the problem and somebody on the list did some packet sniffing and the Tranzeo's were randomly sending a bunch of 0o0o0o0o0's and the Mikrotik didn't know how to interpret that so it dropped all the clients and started over. The random 0's was not supposed to be in the 802.11 spec and I think that Mikrotik did a work around that ignored them. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Wasn't Tranzeo that diagnosed the disconnect problem? On 6/9/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Marlon, I would stongly advise against doing any firmware upgrades to 4.0.2 for the sake of your customers. We almost lost ours last year with the Tranzeo re-asocciation issues last time around Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2. I've not noticed what you're talking about. I tend to only update firmware when something's not working though, so I may not have noticed for a while. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Kevin Lamothe wrote: We've had other issues with the latest firmware, we mostly use Cisco APs, after a fw 4.0.2 radio associates, it will take anywhere from 2-10 minutes before the radio can pass any traffic, this issue wasn't present in 3.6.7. Their new management VLAN tagging feature only works with Tranzeo APs, it will ignore any tagged VLANS packets from Cisco or StarOS APs I never got anywhere with tech support and they ended up just closing the ticket. Do you have a ticket number? ryan Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com ss/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
would ever want to deploy Tranzeo 3.65Ghz gear when they can't even get the simple 802.11 stuff right! They do appear to have it right.. While I too won't be buying 3.65 gear from *any* vendor until there is some sort of interoperability. Being stuck with one vendor is terrible. ryan Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Dropping you an off-list response with much more detail. But also posting here to report that we are seeing a very similar problem. We are seeing the Tranzeo units fail to sustain downloads after two to five minutes when they are in router mode performing NAT. Tranzeo is blaming Mikrotik. However, we have been able to prove that the failure is unique to the Tranzeo unit. Our solution is the same as yours. Do not use the Tranzeo in router mode. Put it in bridge mod and all is well. We have tested non-Tranzeo radios in router mode and there is no problem. We are finding that the problem exists for both firmware versions 3.6.7 and 4.0.2. We are not seeing any problems with the connections or the pings when the downloads fail. It seems to be a time related issue rather than related to the amount of data moved. Download failure occurs 100% of the time when the Tranzeo is in routed mode. Downloading the same file from the same source when the Tranzeo is in bridge never fails. Download failures always occur within 2 to 5 minutes and are not dependent on the mode of file transfer. Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related problems. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
What are you using for an AP? Tranzeo or Mikrotik? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I route at every device. ;-) Well, at least at every location. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:38 PM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Right! At every location is GREAT! but if you have 3 APs at the top of a tower, you don't route on each AP, you route at the bottom of the tower right? ryan Mike Hammett wrote: I route at every device. ;-) Well, at least at every location. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:38 PM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I do. I will drop it to you offlist. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you have any ethreal data you can share? ryan Steve Smith wrote: In our case we are using staros APs. We like to have the CPE set to router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment on their side of our unit at their place. That way we don't care if they change out a piece of equipment. We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to bridge mode. We love the Tranzeo CPQs. Our problems are when the CPQs are in router mode. There is a definite problem that we can replicate 100% of the time. We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception of the Tranzeo CPQ. All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in version 3.6.7 as well. I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did. Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea. steve D. Ryan Spott wrote: Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP is the way to go. Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending and receiving wireless data. ryan Rick Kunze wrote: I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years. I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic as mentioned in the thread. I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode. No calls from any customers . . . everything seems normal. IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine. All AP's however are bridged in my case. Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Steve Smith, Chase 3000, PO Box 760, 554 Kramer St., Imperial, NE 69033, 308 882 3000 office, 308 883 3001 cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Brent Thrift Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's. The 6000 and 6600 units that I use absolutely suck. The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck. I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs. Life is soo good now! It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems. If they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe. There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else that requires that I rely on them. Good luck. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ??? All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the upgrade to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to the AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is that if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. Try to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings will start replying and then normal surfing will resume. This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing NAT. The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go away. All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT. Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working fine for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on the core router. Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce in the lab. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
