Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Josh Luthman
MTI stops at 120

Pac has two
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=SA24%2D180%2D12eq=Tp=
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=SA24%2D180%2D14eq=Tp=

Hyperlink has one
http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=22079

More here...
http://www.google.com/search?q=180+degree+2.4+sectorie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a

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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark






 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread jp

Wait till you get a couple people doing netflix or hulu, 3 sectors instead 
of 2 isn't a huge investment, and you'll have a lot more choices for 
antenna vendors.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 03:54:38PM -0500, Mark McElvy wrote:
 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Jason Hensley
Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will come
very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.  I
think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked great
at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but planned
accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



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Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
sells but the quality does not seem to be there.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Steve Barnes
While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It has 
changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

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Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will come
very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.  I
think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked great
at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but planned
accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
sells but the quality does not seem to be there.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Scott Reed
There is no magic number.
I have had MT based APs that with the customer usage and the RB that it 
was really busy at 20 users.  I have and know others that can provide 
the throughput to well over 50 customers.  It depends on a lot more than 
the count.
That said, going to sectors can do much for you. 
And Steve Barnes is right in his post, 10Mhz channels and using both 
Vertical and Horizontal polarities makes life better.

Mark McElvy wrote:
 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.

  

 Mark 

  



 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread ccrum
As an RF Engineer and an antenna designer, I can say that you don't want 
180's. Go with the 120's or even some 90's. You'll get pretty good 
coverage all the way around even with a couple of 90's back to back. If 
you are really worried about the small nulls on the sides, make sure 
your main beam is pointed to the highest traffic areas.

Cameron

Jason Hensley wrote:
 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.  I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.

  

 Mark 

  



 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Scott Piehn
Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting 
2.4-10? on the Interface

Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting?


Scott Piehn
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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM
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 While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It has 
 changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience 
 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will 
 come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's. 
 I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked 
 great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but 
 planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Josh Luthman
All the stations need to be compatible too!  If they're all set to
20mhz channels they will not see the 10mhz AP.

On 10/27/09, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote:
 Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting
 2.4-10? on the Interface

 Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting?

 
 Scott Piehn
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower


 While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It has

 changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will
 come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.
 I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked
 great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but
 planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Mike Hammett
I think every Atheros radio made in the past few years supports the smaller 
channels.


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From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:04 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting
 2.4-10? on the Interface

 Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting?

 
 Scott Piehn
 - Original Message - 
 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower


 While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It 
 has
 changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will
 come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.
 I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked
 great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but
 planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't believe Engenius does.

I know Ubnt and Tranzeo do.

On 10/27/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 I think every Atheros radio made in the past few years supports the smaller
 channels.


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 --
 From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:04 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting
 2.4-10? on the Interface

 Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting?

 
 Scott Piehn
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower


 While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It
 has
 changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will
 come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's.
 I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked
 great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but
 planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread eje
That is it. But. You want to make sure. To change your clients if any before 
changing the ap. 

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:04:33 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

Kind of embarrassed to ask, but to go 802.11g 10 MHz on MT is just setting 
2.4-10? on the Interface

Using R52H, or do they not support the correct setting?


Scott Piehn
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From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower


 While You are going to Sectors I recommend 802.11g 10Mhz channels.  It has 
 changed my life going away from 20Mhz.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

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 of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
 ambition inspired, and success achieved.
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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Jason Hensley
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:39 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 Hey Mark.  My experience on the Pac 120* H-Pol sectors is that you will 
 come
 very close to 360* with just two of them.  I would stay away from 180's. 
 I
 think it was the good man Marlin that sent me some info about those a few
 years back when I considered this and I decided on the 120's.  Worked 
 great
 at very close to 360.  You may get some odd lobes and dead space but 
 planned
 accordingly you can probably cover what you need with just two of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:55 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

 I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Mike
Yeah, and the new Deliberant radios will do 1/2 and 1/4 channels.  I 
have had good luck with a mix of them.  The new ones with the Atheros 
chip set seem to be more sensitive too.

mike

At 05:05 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote:
There is no magic number.
I have had MT based APs that with the customer usage and the RB that it
was really busy at 20 users.  I have and know others that can provide
the throughput to well over 50 customers.  It depends on a lot more than
the count.
That said, going to sectors can do much for you.
And Steve Barnes is right in his post, 10Mhz channels and using both
Vertical and Horizontal polarities makes life better.

Mark McElvy wrote:
  I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
  hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
  maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
  also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
  hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
  sells but the quality does not seem to be there.
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower

2009-10-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I'd recommend against 180* antennas.  They are really just lopsided omni's.

Go with three 120* antennas.  Mix vpol and hpol.  You'll be glad you went 
this route over the long haul.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
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Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:54 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Sectoring a tower


I have one of my towers that has grown to 32 subs, This is a MT ap and I
 hear that is the magic limit. The only current issue I have with it  CPU
 maxing out at peak times and I am planning a board swap for that. I was
 also thinking of sectoring but do not feel the need for three. Having a
 hard time finding a 180 deg HPOL 2.4Ghz sector. Found one that SuperPass
 sells but the quality does not seem to be there.



 Mark





 
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