Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

2007-02-04 Thread Eric Muehleisen
We have a stipulation in our AUP when the customer signs the initial contract that prohibits maximizing their connection for a sustained period of time. We enforce a 3 strike rule then kick 'em off-line if violated. If they choose to go with another provider then good riddance. Let the

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2007-02-03 Thread John J. Thomas
: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing I'm sure much of this will already have been covered (been out for a couple of days). But since it was addressed to me Don't know the details of the truck driver story

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2007-01-29 Thread Sam Tetherow
that he isn't trying to squeeze every last dime from them. John Thomas -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing There actually are some of us out

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2007-01-28 Thread wispa
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:38:55 +, John J. Thomas wrote I read an article once about this. What happens when Walmart can't drop prices any lower? Then their prices don't drop. What's confusing about that? Who foots the bill when Walmart employees get sick and go to the Emergency room?

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2007-01-28 Thread John Scrivner
I cannot believe how many of you guys all decided that this thread could be extended into a lengthy diatribe about Wal-mart. I use these lists to learn and teach about the wireless industry and to help drive changes in policy and law. We have people from time to time who join this list to

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2007-01-28 Thread Travis Johnson
My health insurance company that I pay thousands of dollars per year is who foots the bill when my family goes to the ER... not the tax payers. I think that was his point. Walmart is the largest private employer, yet a VERY small percentage of their workers have any benefits. So the concern

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2007-01-28 Thread Forbes Mercy
You go John, I agree.. OH NO I just did a mee too! Ok really I did that on purpose to help John with his point. So what really is the point of this email? I just read an article from the AP that was re-printed in the Kansas City Star:

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2007-01-28 Thread John Scrivner
I worded my original post incorrectly relating to the relevant topics for this list. Anything to do with promoting or improving the WISP industry fits within the scope of our Mission Statement in WISPA and would be relevant topics for discussion here. I would like to see more of the sensitive

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2007-01-28 Thread Blake Bowers
- Original Message - From: John J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing I read an article once about this. What happens when Walmart can't drop prices any lower

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2007-01-28 Thread Blair Davis
Why should ANY employer provide health care? You work, they give you money, end of story Travis Johnson wrote: My health insurance company that I pay thousands of dollars per year is who foots the bill when my family goes to the ER... not the tax payers. I think that was his point.

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2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
appreciate that fact that he isn't trying to squeeze every last dime from them. John Thomas -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing There actually

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2007-01-27 Thread Blake Bowers
27, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing Sam, Walmart has made most of its money by screwing others. Truck driver makes delivery to Walmart ad unload pallets. Goes to have receiving sign for them. Receiving refuses to sign, and says that *after* the truck driver

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2007-01-27 Thread John Scrivner
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing There actually are some of us out here that don't have this luxury in our markets. My total market is approximately 3000 people (not households) and I have

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2007-01-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing The devil is in the details. I only sell unlimited connections over leased line connections. Everyone else signs our AUP and agrees

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2007-01-27 Thread George Rogato
Blake Bowers wrote: The pickles... The famous pickles. Got to love it. You tie the pickles with the bankruptcy, when every industry analyst, all the business mags, Vlasic themselves, all agree, Walmart or the pickle deal was not a critical factor in their bankruptcy. Not sure about

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2007-01-27 Thread wispa
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:27:22 -0800, George Rogato wrote Blake Bowers wrote: You know, the only real difference between WalMart and most other retailers, is that what the manufacturer agrees to do, WalMart holds them to. Rubbermaid, Vlasic Pickles, Bicycle makers, the list goes on and on. All

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2007-01-27 Thread Peter R.
Blake Bowers wrote: Actually, Walmart has made most of its money by providing the CONSUMER with what the CONSUMER wants. Walmart fills only what the consumer wants. That is how they make money, by meeting those consumer needs/desires. When a customer wants an apple for ten cents, you

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2007-01-27 Thread Travis Johnson
I just read the USA Today article from 2003. It says the namebrand items provide 15% profit while the private label items provide 30% profit. Those are HUGE margins for a company now doing a billion a day in sales. I agree they have gotten where they are because they can operate on very low

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2007-01-27 Thread wispa
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:06:21 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote I just read the USA Today article from 2003. It says the namebrand items provide 15% profit while the private label items provide 30% profit. Those are HUGE margins for a company now doing a billion a day in sales. I don't know where

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2007-01-27 Thread Peter R.
Mark, While it is true that many suppliers created their own problems, both Walmart Home Depot do in fact beat up their suppliers. Extra fees. Delivery hassles. Invoicing issues. It is a catch-22: everyone wants to sell at Walmart to get at the eyeballs, but at what cost? Why do you think

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2007-01-27 Thread Jason
My $0.02 slightly OT, but food for thought about price: In my last lifetime I worked as a mechanical engineer. One achievement I was particularly proud of was being the head engineer over a frangible bullet production line (frangible copper alloy bullets for firing ranges to prevent

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2007-01-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Selling internet SERVICE is different than selling a PRODUCT. Your costs are not in the hard costs of the product, leases, etc. it's in the monthly costs (bandwidth, servers, employees, credit card processing fees, etc.). So your "gross profit" is going to be much higher than Walmart or

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2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
that are legal, ethical and moral, and Walmart has been proven to be lacking in all 3 areas. John Thomas -Original Message- From: wispa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 03:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing On Sat

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2007-01-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
know any better. Now, just like my business, my household has grown up a lot! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing

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2007-01-27 Thread John J. Thomas
To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service Offerings - Competing Blake Bowers wrote: Actually, Walmart has made most of its money by providing the CONSUMER with what the CONSUMER wants. Walmart fills only what the consumer wants. That is how they make money, by meeting those

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2007-01-26 Thread Mario Pommier
I see your point, Sam. Perhaps products like Linksys Routers could be a better example, or how about YouTube? for the argument, or even our residential customers (this oen rings a bell for many of us in this tech service industry, going all the way back to dialup days). I'm not sure about

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2007-01-26 Thread Peter R.
They have made billions by serving billions of customers. Walmart and McDonalds only work on scale -- huge scale. Lexus and Bose are not mass market. And neither are many of you on this list. In the DSL arena, the combined 300 ISPs selling in BellSouth territory in its hey-day never had more

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2007-01-26 Thread Sam Tetherow
I understand that I don't have the market to be a Walmart, it was just a general observation (and hence tagged as off topic). Kind of like noting that Warren Buffet, who is considered one of the top investers in the nation, made his billions in the market but refuses to deal with tech stocks,

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2007-01-26 Thread George Rogato
Sam Tetherow wrote: Some of us operate in the well under 10,000 people areas where 'finding a higher ARPU customer' is not really a viable option. We have to be all things in order to have enough customers to pay the bills. This is how my market is, the biggest customer would be the

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2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
John J. Thomas wrote: But, the model will work if you bill by the bytes If Joe is paying $40 per month for 6 Gig and gets throttled at 6 Gig, then he has a disincentive for keeping going. If he is paying $40 for unlimited access, he has no reason to slow down. Charter cable is doing 10

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2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
There actually are some of us out here that don't have this luxury in our markets. My total market is approximately 3000 people (not households) and I have to go 45 miles in any direction to find another town with more than 80 people in it. I'm not saying this in a 'woe is me' tone, just