Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Steve Stroh
Jeff: If a system hasn't been through the interoperability testing, it ISN'T WiMAX - at all. Absent the certification of interoperability, at best what the vendors will be shipping and selling prior to achieving certification is a proprietary product with perhaps some WiMAX features.

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Matt Liotta
The entire point of WiMAX may be interoperability, but from a fixed wireless standpoint interoperability is meaningless. When and if mobile WiMAX becomes interesting interoperability will be important. Until then there is no need for it in a fixed wireless network, so the certification badge

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? - Jeff On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Steve Stroh wrote: Neat trick... considering... There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability profile, there have not yet been any 5.8

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
--- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? George

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Charles Wu
--- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Steve Stroh
Matt: The capabilities of WiMAX ALREADY exist in the proprietary products of Alvarion, Redline, Aperto Networks, etc. WiMAX is a standardization of the lowest-common-denominator of those capabilities, with certified interoperability. If you've waited this long for WiMAX capabilities, and

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I didn't mean to imply that I am waiting on the technology. We use Orthogon today, which provides us all the capabilities of WiMAX and then some. However, the price point simply doesn't compete with Canopy for last mile use, which is why we continue to use it. We are waiting on the

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Agreed- interop is a great thing steve, but the problem is that currently no wimax profile requires any level of interop beyond simple bridging, which most operators will find that they want to use the QOS features so they can sell services such as voip. are these products i mentioned using

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
On Apr 5, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Charles Wu wrote: snip That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping product ( and are taking pre orders ) that will comply with the testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? George, I am sure there will be others

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Actually, I would argue that the great thing about wimax is not really interop- its lower costs on CPE. Until there is an agreed upon profile for WImax QOS, then literally everyone who buys wimax base stations will use the same manufacturers client devices. The only major difference is

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Charles Wu
--- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread George
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Steve Stroh
Neat trick... considering... There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests. Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability tests,

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX? I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping product ( and are taking pre orders ) that will comply with the testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has wimax 4.9 product and is

RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread tonylist
George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time. Sincerely, Tony Morella

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread Pete Davis
I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something. pd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into its own in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
No... but it's understandable that you might be confused (heck... I might be confused...) but there is so much over-hyped horsesh*t being slung around regarding WiMAX-certified equipment (not by any vendor in particular) and there is so much ignorance on the part of journalists who continue to

Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-03 Thread George
Doesn't Alvarion and moto have some unlicensed WIMAX products about to be released? Wonder if Patrick Leary is still on this list? George Jack Unger wrote: No... but it's understandable that you might be confused (heck... I might be confused...) but there is so much over-hyped horsesh*t being