Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread John Scrivner
The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means anything goes. The truth is that there are almost certainly a good

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
] roll your own radios.. The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means anything goes. The truth

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Take note that there are different legalities based on wether you are manufacturering/selling a product versus using it for your own use on your property. And if its your customers propery versus yours. The only other advice that I have, is that if you are providing uncertified solutions,

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
John, Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect organization to perform this role. We could start by simply polling our list

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. John is 100% accurate. Also, with respect to using your own antenna, even with that new relaxation of the rules, it ONLY applies to manufacturers, NOT operators. What is does is to enable manufacturers

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Patrick, Not exactly. What you said is mostly true, and to the letter of the original

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread John Scrivner
This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify. Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would make

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify. Without

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
No need to push manufactures when you can just not buy their product. Why would you want to take the business risk of not buying a certified radio? I mean Trango sells radios plenty cheap and they're certified. Canopy is also cheap and also certified. -Matt John Scrivner wrote: This sounds

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jason
All, $0.02: A while back there was a discussion (The FCC even included it in the latest dialog about part 15, I think) about the possibility of a person becoming certified to work with unlicensed equipment. If this afforded a person a real advantage (say being able to mix and match

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Matt, I agree with John's suggestion that we need to push manufacturers to certify. We could request that manufacturers indicate the certification status of their equipment on their websites, their spec sheets, and their advertising material. We could even create the artwork and make

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Patrick, From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
, 2006 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. That's easy. From the FCC site: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm And here is the search location: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm Patrick

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Jack Unger wrote: You ask - Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could just NOT buy a non-certified product? Because half of the WISPs out there don't even realize that certification is required by law. WISPA can perform a valuable public service by simply providing knowledge

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Patrick, From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Jack Unger
Matt, My response to your questions are inline, below. jack Matt Liotta wrote: Jack Unger wrote: You ask - Why would we need to push manufacturers when a WISP could just NOT buy a non-certified product? Because half of the WISPs out there don't even realize that certification is required

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
and compliance issues. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. For sure

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Matt Liotta
Jack Unger wrote: First, our small group can certainly influence manufacturers. The voice of an industry trade organization (which is what we are) carries a lot of weight if we simply decide to use that voice to speak out. Only if we say nothing, will our voice carry no weight. In that case,

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. No need to push manufactures when you can just not buy their product. Why would you want

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Matt, I agree with John's suggestion that we need to push

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Ron Wallace
: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 05:37 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..That's easy. From the FCC site:https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet

RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Patrick Leary
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 4:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Patrick, Man, you coughed those URLs up pretty fast. Thanks for your participation in this list, you

Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

2006-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. Hi Tom, I remember our nice little seafood feast afterward too (is George on the WISPA list also?). As I recall, the conversation revolved around certified gear. The rules