Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Peter R.
Rick Smith wrote: I still don't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it,

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah, its jsut like a drug manuafacturer selling speed for fat loss knowing the possible harm, and getting off teh hook because of the little disclaimer that says, "please consult your doctor to see if this is right for you", knowing that 99% of people would never do that, nor read the fine

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-29 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/29/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between FON and nimrod customers, is that FON isexploiting this for THEIR gain. is flowing, at my expense, intoFON's pockets, due to a nimrod customer that installed their gear at the violation of my AUP.Again, plz read fon.com

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? -Charles ---CWLabTechnology Architectshttp://www.cwlab.com -Original

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Rick Smith
Title: Message I stilldon't see why anyone should be able to use my network without paying me for the right to do so. PERIOD. I don't run a network for the benefit of the free world, I run it for the benefit of my checkbook. Which needs SERIOUS help. :) OK, and while we're at it, why is

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Charles Wu wrote: out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a violation of net neutrality? I don't think you'll find many pro net neutral people on this list. I would have to say that most of

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Title: Message It is pretty much precluded by Roadrunners typical Terms of Service in their contract: (b) Subscriber will not resell the Service, or any portion thereof, or otherwise charge others to use the Service, or any portion thereof. The Service is for personal use only, and

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Rick Smith wrote: OK, and while we're at it, why is net neutral good ? I admit The terminology here is somewhat confusing. The term net neutral seems to be used to describe two unrelated ideologies (both of which are bad, IMNSHO). One is the opposite view to what ATT

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Why don't we as an industry organization start putting net neutrality in clear light. We've got people running around using the net neutrality banner to demand unfiltered P2P use, unlimited data transfers, or that QOS NOT be implemented. I think it would be more constructive if we broke this up

RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dustin Jurman
Tom, You have a lot of good points, but so does Charles and others, Why don't you petition WISPA and some of the other ISP organization to sponsor a Net Neutrality bakeoff. You can have views from the service provider aspects. What needs and will come out of it in the end will be the

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread Dylan Oliver
On 6/28/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from using your network as well. As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable

Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality

2006-06-28 Thread David E. Smith
Dylan Oliver wrote: http://en.fon.com/biz/isps_friends.php. (i) have a FON Social Router or a router that is compatible with the FON Software and (ii) have a contract with an ISP that permits the FONero to share bandwidth. And how many of your customers actually read all the fine print in