Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread John Rock
Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread Travis Johnson
r by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread John Rock
and delete this electronic mail. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread Travis Johnson
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion WiMax equipment. This is the top of the line, $50k per sector type stuff. Then I can also tell you that we are seeing a LOT of antennas that have to be mounted outdoors

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread John Scrivner
Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion WiMax equipment. This is the top of the line, $50k per sector type stuff. Then I can also tell

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread Travis Johnson
n and delete this electronic mail. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Al

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread John Scrivner
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion WiMax equipment. This is the top of the line, $50k

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-22 Thread Blair Davis
tronic mail. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi, We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with Alvarion WiMax equipm

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We have customers worldwide who

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I think it was clarified earlier that with a wider channel you get a much greater reduction

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? How do you want to count that Mike? Speed alone isn't adequate. If speed alone made a good purchase we'd all be driving ZR1 corvettes

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Jack Unger
online, your tune will change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Because I can service where NONE of those other services

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Jack Unger
online, your tune will change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Because I can service where NONE of those other services

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
, March 21, 2009 1:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Once you figure out that physics is physics and that license-free wireless frequencies will NEVER support fiber speeds no matter how much you DEMAND from manufacturers then your tune will change

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Jack Unger
Unger" jun...@ask-wi.com Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Once you figure out that "physics is physics" and that license-free wireless frequencies will NEVER support fiber

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Gino Villarini
, March 20, 2009 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Might want to get a license for that. -Matt On Mar 20, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: I have a single 3.65 Mikrotik system (RB411 with XR3-3.7 cards) feeding three remote towers. Rock solid. 60+ days

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Because I can service where NONE of those other services exist... and I have for 10+ years. Residential users don't need more

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread George Rogato
, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Thats what I see happening, older customers that never even knew how to find youtube , never mind understnd or use P2P, are now doing the netflix and dish on demand. I'm seeing a growing number of people

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
- From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com ksui...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread George Rogato
...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis together to see which service

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
...@oregonfast.net Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Yeah I realize that. We're luycky that Boneville and Williams did a big fiber deal many years ago that put fiber all across the North West.. Still is not easy

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm all set for now Mike. We have been connected to another one your missing, Light Speed Networks, formerly NOAHNET, since 2002 Recently we just got a new fiber carrier in town, they did a submarine cable to Alaska. it lands just up

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: John Rock jo...@wirelessconnections.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hey reader you are muddying the waters a bit here. I thought the days were over when people thought they could put up one base station

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Matt Liotta
] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Kevin Suitor
PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Travis Johnson
witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" motor...@wispa.org; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Gary Garrett
No, Ketchup is a vegetable, Rutabaga is cattle feed. George Rogato wrote: Jeff Booher wrote: Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) I thought a rutabega was a vegitable.

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We have customers worldwide who operate

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread 3-dB Networks
.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? 2 megs is yesterday's news. U-Verse is 18/1.5 FiOS is 50/20 Charter

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread David E. Smith
3-dB Networks wrote: I would challenge... is why does anyone need more than 2Mb at home? Now if I'm downloading files.. :-) I think you just answered your own question. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You!

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Scott Carullo
...@mvn.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? 3-dB Networks wrote: I would challenge... is why does anyone need more than 2Mb at home? Now if I'm downloading files.. :-) I think you just answered your

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Matt Liotta
On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 2 megs is yesterday's news. U-Verse is 18/1.5 FiOS is 50/20 Charter has 60/5 Comcast has 50/10 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than that. Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread 3-dB Networks
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? 3-dB Networks wrote: I would challenge... is why does anyone need more than 2Mb at home? Now if I'm downloading files.. :-) I think you just answered your own question. David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Matt Liotta
] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Because speed isn't everything. Mesa

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:40 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 2 megs is yesterday's news. U-Verse is 18/1.5 FiOS is 50/20 Charter has 60/5 Comcast has 50/10 2 megs is 36 times

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread 3-dB Networks
, March 20, 2009 12:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Others on the list have mentioned the exponential increase in video use. Those are multi megabit streams ran for hours on end. I believe someone reported that NetFlix peaked at 5 megabits. Why would I deploy gear

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Well the Canopy 430 series is going to do 42Mbps... but even then how well is that going to work... considering your clients are going to have to be within 2 miles. I don't

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Well... I did but I didn't. You can have as big of a pipe into the world that you want. Heck our office has 45Mb symmetrical. But my

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Kevin Suitor
] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? 2 megs is yesterday's news. U-Verse is 18/1.5 FiOS is 50/20 Charter has 60/5 Comcast has 50/10 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread 3-dB Networks
: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Yes, service. If you can't service their desire to watch NetFlix, they'll leave. I'm glad a few of you see where I'm coming from while the rest of you sit in awe. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Travis Johnson
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kevin Suitor" ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We have

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread reader
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I think you may be missing a couple of variables

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Matt Liotta
On Mar 20, 2009, at 3:50 PM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Mike Hammett and I both are watching huge amounts of investment being poured into WIMAX equipment that's designed to meet last year's bandwidth model and asking the same question.When are the WIMAX folks going to

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me to put a quick back of the napkin ROI analysis together to see which service options I'd want to be pushing on the market. What I did was review Bell

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Jeff Booher
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? If I don't expect it, why will the manufacturers make it? They seem to be happy to court the guy offering 1

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Blair Davis
1,249.45 $ 14,993.45 $ 25,841 20.68175 $72.95 MAX16 16000 1000 17000 20 850 19 $1,373.18 $ 16,478.12 $ 21,221 15.45365 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 2

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread sales
Um. Amen ! -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:11 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Some simple numbers... $1700/month for 10Mbits.  Much better than the $600 per 1.54Mbit I was paying

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread George Rogato
- Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? 2 megs is yesterday's news. U-Verse is 18/1.5 FiOS is 50/20 Charter has 60/5 Comcast has 50/10 2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than that. Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Travis Johnson
y with being 10 years behind the wired world? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kevin Suitor" ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread George Rogato
- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor ksui...@redlinecommunications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Blair Davis
their grant proposals now. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Kevin Suitor" ksui...@redlinecommunications.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-20 Thread Travis Johnson
dlinecommunications.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Folks, I seem to have too much time on my hands since I'm on vacation. This thread prompted me to

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE
Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread John Valenti
Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious because most of my grain

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Pat O'Connor
] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon, I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but maybe it would be OK on 3.65? I was curious

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Richey Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? The APs are around $1600-1700 and CPEs are in the $250-300 ballpark. The AP will handle 30 subs and they have a BAM/PRIZIM type server you

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Gino Villarini
, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Matt Liotta
-- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to complain. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Good

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Matt Liotta
-- From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
my average per customer is around $33/mo insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
, or scratched onto the device. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? That's nuts

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Baird
Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Patrick Leary
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Chuck Bartosch
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Matt Liotta
On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote: However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax base station. But because 3.65 with diversity is supposed to deliver NLOS performance similar to or

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? That's nuts Mike. I know

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then. -Matt On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most of us compete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread John Rock
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
to the network. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to this level

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread reader
- Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the scheduling mechanism of the MAC

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
...@muddyfrogwater.us [mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:24 PM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Many of us can't get away with that. We have to make sure that there's actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Jeff Booher
- From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us [mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:34 PM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake oil gets poured down

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
No worries. Only about half of my network is in the zone thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Marlon I checked the map

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station, that only supports 30 subscribers. - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Matt Liotta
witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread George Rogato
Jeff Booher wrote: Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) I thought a rutabega was a vegitable. WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread John Rock
: Thursday, March 19, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I am happy for you in your business, that's why I try to connect you with other WISPs as often as I can. However, I started my company because I didn't have broadband at my house. My neighbor didn't have

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: John Rock jo...@wirelessconnections.net Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? When my son was 6 he would not eat pork chops simply because he never had tried them. He

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread John Rock
, March 19, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even then, I consider it oversubscribed. Now, 18mbit throughput

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Hammett
...@fastmail.fm Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:12 PM To: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Mike, This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :) Correct

[WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread Gino Villarini
Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread reader
Canopy User Group motor...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread Gino Villarini
: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

2009-03-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
nesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.

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