[WISPA] 3.650 and the FCC

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Cowan
Hi Folks, Help me understand what the FCC is doing.. They are approving low end 3.650 gear, PTP gear etc. A lot of this gear is the spit and bailing wire type systems that are not spectrally efficient, don't support GPS, and certainly don't coordinate or play nice with other systems. I

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 and the FCC

2009-03-21 Thread Gino Villarini
] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 and the FCC Hi Folks, Help me understand what the FCC is doing.. They are approving low end 3.650 gear, PTP gear etc. A lot of this gear is the spit and bailing wire type systems

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 and the FCC

2009-03-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
:26 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 and the FCC Hi Folks, Help me understand what the FCC is doing.. They are approving low end 3.650 gear, PTP gear etc. A lot of this gear is the spit and bailing wire type systems that are not spectrally efficient, don't support GPS, and certainly don't

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking about allowing 24 watts I believe I read on the site somewhere. Lastly where on the fcc site do you

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread reader
, July 27, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field It's 1 watt per MHz of channel width. It's up to the FCC to certify something for more than 20 MHz of channel space. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread John Scrivner
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Sorry to Hijack this but what was the final EIRP determined by the FCC on 3.65? I remember they were talking

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Gino Villarini
My same way of thinking, what the fcc was thinking? gino -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field The FCC must have been asleep when they set

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett
: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule should have been the opposite. If you want high power then use narrow channels and become more spectrally efficient. I am going to try to get

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe
List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:33:56 -0500 I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to channels of different widths, the same gross power is spread out. Each Hz

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
to overcome the noise. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I'm not an engineer, but from what I understand when you apply 20 dBm to channels

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread reader
to keep the signal level up. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Right

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-27 Thread Tom DeReggi
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field The FCC must have been asleep when they set the rule this way. The rule

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-26 Thread Sales
] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field That's a lot easier *SAID* than done... Especially when you factor in frame rates / etc (as one configures those depending on the type of traffic

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-25 Thread Charles Wu
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Jeff Booher
copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field John, From what I understand all manufactures are required to use the same

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Jeff Booher
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Booher Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-24 Thread Scottie Arnett
12:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Having a competitor use the same upload and download ratios and similar GPS settings will yes, make it so operators can coexist without the issues of interference. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Cowan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB download holding CPE in their hand on the ground! Decided to test 5.8

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Randy Cosby
) Anyways my 2 cents... another critic convinced Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
was meeting with them. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Anyone know how extensive the Tranzeo

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which picture matches? http://www.apertonet.com/products/pmax_subscriberunits.html -Hal -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John McDowell
List wireless@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:22:18 -0600 Tranzeo and Aperto are not collaborating at all (actually Tranzeo wanted to rebrand the product their own). What is going

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe
They are made by the same company along with a Moto wimax cpe and a few others... -Hal -Original Message- From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Date

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Same here, I thought it was all marketing hype, if it works like the poster mentioned, we will need to consider moving up our timetable for evaluating wimax, 10k

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Jeff Booher
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U - Lower power (23dbm) basesation $10k with sector antenna. Redmax 100UX - Certified last week

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Eric Muehleisen
are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Redmax 100U

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Valenti
Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650 wasn't all that great thru trees.

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
John Valenti wrote: Mike, This does seem to good to be true. Could you provide more details on these links (for instance, tower heights, or maybe even coordinates that I can look over the path)? I was at a roadshow earlier this year. A Redline rep was there, he said that 3650

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Which is not your average WISP... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread Mike Hammett
: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field You are correct. Don't shoot the messenger. -Eric Jeff Booher wrote: Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base? Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
customers bases Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Which is not your average WISP

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Rock
- From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Eric, How can it be possibly legal to use a 36dbm sector in 3.65ghz, unless you are talking about using a 3dbi antenna at the base

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John Rock
] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Mike I hate to say it but I don't think WiMax is intended for the average WISP... lots of carrier grade functionality that the WISP market doesn't need, but really drives

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why??? Roaming

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread 3-dB Networks
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I would disagree. WiMAX should be a goal for most WISPs to get into their networks over the next 1-3 years. Why

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-22 Thread John McDowell
WISP (at least as what I think the average WISP is). Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Rock Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field I

[WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par, or better than 2.4 that most of are used to. Pay

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Scottie Arnett
Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and trees too. You can't drive much more than a mile without going up a hill with a change of 100 - 150 ft in elevation. Anyone tested or

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
Hi Scottie, No, all flat ground but Midwest trees. Your scenario would be an interesting test. Mike At 07:59 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote: Mike you have peaked my interest with the 900Mhz against the 3.65. Were any of these tests done with hills? My problem is we have hills, and lots of them and

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Hammett
: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Michael Baird
Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field With some of the Wimax discussions going on I thought I would throw my hat into the ring. 3.650 Wimax using 802.16d only products provides decent connectivity, at a higher cost than traditional unlicensed gear. Performance/coverage is on par

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Mike Cowan
Many of you have known me for years, some wish they didn't :-). I am the doubting Thomas type and have to test myself before I recommend products to a client. Lets just say that Thomas was satisfied. Now the clients are echoing the same and that is what drives my wagon. Message-Id: [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you have known me for years, some

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
So, how much does this stuff cost? Brian John McDowell wrote: I believe it. Today we had a 1.5 mile shot through dense trees using Redline Redmax 3.65. Customer was getting close to 500k upload. Signal held steady at 88db on a 1-story house. On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Mike Cowan

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how much

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet of 72. Sub $400. Mike, I'm interested to know what Alvarion is pricing the 3.65 gear now that it is available. Have they come down at all? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Brian

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread John McDowell
Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote: I hear RedMax is coming down in price on CPEs when you buy a pallet

Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field

2008-07-21 Thread 3-dB Networks
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field Depends, sub $10,000. Boun Senekham at CTI can help you with a quote if you're interested: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about APs? John McDowell wrote

Re: [WISPA] 3.650

2008-05-18 Thread John Scrivner
I will be very soon. By the way, I am readty for someone from your place to call on me about this. Scriv On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Mike Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, How many of you have deployed 3.650 in your networks? Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division

Re: [WISPA] 3.650

2008-05-18 Thread reader
:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Hi All, How many of you have deployed 3.650 in your networks? Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net

Re: [WISPA] 3.650

2008-05-18 Thread reader
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.650 I'm trying to. Still waiting for certified radios to arrive. Promised last week, but delayed... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Mike Cowan [EMAIL

[WISPA] 3.650

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Cowan
Hi All, How many of you have deployed 3.650 in your networks? Mike Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 419-706-7348 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net