Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-15 Thread Marco Coelho
sounds like congress!

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.comwrote:

 I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much
 lower
 than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me
 around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco
 workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
 but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
 something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
 making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
 just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
 they get in USF in my area.

  Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

 This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
 day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
 every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate
 their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
 ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
 competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
 the Computer Inquiries.

 Nice explanation Fred.

 Scottie

 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
  Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
  Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
  California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
  heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
  The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
  areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
  supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
  big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
  urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
  typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
  which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
  be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
  CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
  cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
  however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
  Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
  areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
  their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
  on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
  their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Charles Wu
Here are my thoughts

What I think would be a good idea (both pro-competitive and reasonable) to all 
would be a capped competitive voucher system based on aggregate line count 

So, say for a given region/study area 10,000 households

To qualify for the voucher, you would have to deliver a minimum level of 
service (call it 4 Mb / 1 Mb) and fulfill certain statutory requirements like 
voice delivery, network neutrality / openness / etc...

Cap the total funding for the area, and let everyone access the line pot based 
on actual market dynamics

Everyone reports on Form 477, so the total number of lines is figured out

If a CLEC/WISP comes in and figures out a better/faster/cheaper way of 
delivering the service (assuming it meets the statutory requirements), then 
they should get the subsidy and the ILEC loses out

So, if the ILECs decide that they want to invest fiber everywhere and get all 
the customers back...good for them (but no guaranteed rate of return 
regulation, so they would have all the risks that normal businesses like us run 
into)

-Charles




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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower 
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me 
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco 
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area, 
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think 
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they 
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they 
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much 
they get in USF in my area.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
 allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
 voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
 or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
 to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
 already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
 Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
 it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
 subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
 *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
 much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
 policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
 unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every 
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE 
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate 
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their 
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a 
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to 
the Computer Inquiries.

Nice explanation Fred.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
they get in USF in my area.

Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have 
downloaded some fairly recent ones.

Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this 
essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban 
customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying 
for the coop's service.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
the Computer Inquiries.

I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should 
apply to all ILECs, permanently.

Nice explanation Fred.

Thanks.

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
  Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
  Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
  California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
  heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
  The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
  areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
  supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
  big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
  urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
  typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
  which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
  be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
  CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
  cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
  however at least open the issue of merging study

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative. 
Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in 
Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course 
there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither 
will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting 
subsidized extremely through USF.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much 
lower
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran 
me
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The 
telco
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
they get in USF in my area.

 Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have
 downloaded some fairly recent ones.

 Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this
 essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban
 customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying
 for the coop's service.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either 
separate
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
the Computer Inquiries.

 I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should
 apply to all ILECs, permanently.

Nice explanation Fred.

 Thanks.

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
  Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
  Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
  California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
  heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
  The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
  areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Charles Wu
For Q4 2010

North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative. 
Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in 
Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course 
there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither 
will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting 
subsidized extremely through USF.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much 
lower
than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran 
me
around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The 
telco
workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
they get in USF in my area.

 Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have
 downloaded some fairly recent ones.

 Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this
 essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban
 customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying
 for the coop's service.

 Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
  allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
  voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
  or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
  to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
  already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
  Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
  it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
  subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
  *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
  much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
  policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
  unsubsidized Bells.

This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
every company getting funding from the government or USF to either 
separate
their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
the Computer Inquiries.

 I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should
 apply to all ILECs, permanently.

Nice explanation Fred.

 Thanks.

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
  it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
  didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
  source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
  of subsidy money to rural states.
 
  USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
  uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
  switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
  call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
  explicit cash subsidies.
 
  Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
  Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
  High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
  money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
  rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
  costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
  the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
  them hold down the rate.
 
  But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
  study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
  (historic, pre-merger) telephone

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/13/2011 07:11 PM, Scottie wrote:
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative and North Central Telephone Cooperative.
Twin Lakes headquarters is in Gainesboro, TN and North Central's is in
Lafayette, TN. If you need NPA-NXX they are 931-268 and 615-666, of course
there are more. I would be interested in what they receive in USF. Neither
will sell DSL without a phone line too, so I am guessing it is getting
subsidized extremely through USF.

If I'm reading the annual report spreadsheet correctly, and I can't 
be certain given how it is all labeled with inside terms, North 
Central Coop - TN received 2,170,823.27 for the year 2010, serving 
20,119 loops in 10 exchanges. So it's about $108/loop/year -- not 
a huge draw.

If I read it correctly, Twin Lakes, with about 35k lines in 15 
exchanges, qualifies for *0* USF support.  Their average cost was too 
close to the national average to need support.  Is it a relatively 
easy area to serve (mostly a high density of subscribers per plant 
mile)?  It is an ETC; it just needs more creative accountants. ;-)

Scottie

- Original Message -
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


  At 2/13/2011 12:39 PM, you wrote:
 I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much
 lower
 than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran
 me
 around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The
 telco
 workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area,
 but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think
 something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they
 making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they
 just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much
 they get in USF in my area.
 
  Who's your telco, where?  The USF numbers are public and I have
  downloaded some fairly recent ones.
 
  Coops sometimes do give back their excess revenues to members; this
  essentially reduces the net price to something much less than urban
  customers pay for their own service... in effect they're also paying
  for the coop's service.
 
  Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is
   allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for
   voice.  They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx)
   or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder
   to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they
   already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP.  Check out
   Border to Border in Texas.  So USF does fund broadband; it just does
   it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with
   subsidy money.  The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not
   *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how
   much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet?  Thanks to this
   policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than
   unsubsidized Bells.
 
 This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every
 day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE
 every company getting funding from the government or USF to either
 separate
 their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their
 ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a
 competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to
 the Computer Inquiries.
 
  I sure agree on that!  But then I think the Computer Inquiries should
  apply to all ILECs, permanently.
 
 Nice explanation Fred.
 
  Thanks.
 
 Scottie
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
 
 
   First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
   it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
   didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
   source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
   of subsidy money to rural states.
  
   USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
   uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
   switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
   call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
   explicit cash subsidies.
  
   Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
   Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
   High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
   money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
   rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
   costs $100/month

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 2/13/2011 08:04 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
For Q4 2010

North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high 
cost support
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost support

I think you're right -- I was first looking at the wrong report, the 
only one with the line counts.  Let's try a different report... 
Pulling the numbers from their query system, I had the January 2010 
support for North Central total $394k, and Twin Lakes get $436k .

So assuming the line count is correct, it is about $12/month for Twin 
Lakes, and almost $20/month for North Central.  Still not huge 
compared to some of them, but not trivial.



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Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-13 Thread Scottie Arnett
Ok, thanks guys. I had heard some coops getting close to $100/mth per line. 
What is interesting is the line counts are about the same at NCTC as they 
were about 7 or 8 years ago. The most interesting is the that TLTC had 
almost 60k lines 7 or 8 years ago. TLTC was at one time(I heard) the 2nd or 
3rd largest telco coop in America.

If you take out the taxes and fees, the home line charges were around $18 at 
TLTC. So is $30, without taxes and fees, about the average home rate in the 
bigger cities that Verizon and BellSouth cover? NCTC was a bit higher last 
time I checked. Without taxes and fees their home line charges were around 
$24.

I do not see why they do not sell DSL without the phone if they are not 
getting anymore funding than that from USF. Of course, TLTC has dropped a 
considerable amount of lines over the past few years, so that may be their 
reasoning. I should not be complaining about the DSL without a phone, that 
is my major selling point, but if they change the USF and can get funding 
for broadband, they may start selling DSL without the phone and then it is 
going to be a hurt to us.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF


 At 2/13/2011 08:04 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
For Q4 2010

North Central Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high
cost support
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative received ~$1.2 million in high cost 
support

 I think you're right -- I was first looking at the wrong report, the
 only one with the line counts.  Let's try a different report...
 Pulling the numbers from their query system, I had the January 2010
 support for North Central total $394k, and Twin Lakes get $436k .

 So assuming the line count is correct, it is about $12/month for Twin
 Lakes, and almost $20/month for North Central.  Still not huge
 compared to some of them, but not trivial.



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[WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Fred Goldstein
First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed 
it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones 
didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a 
source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source 
of subsidy money to rural states.

USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even 
uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high 
switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the 
call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are 
explicit cash subsidies.

Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural 
Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, 
High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax 
money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone 
rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really 
costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then 
the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let 
them hold down the rate.

But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a 
study area, which is in general the operating territory of one 
(historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South 
Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- 
Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in 
California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a 
heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban 
areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is 
supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the 
big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have 
urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company 
typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., 
which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can 
be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or 
CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... 
cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does 
however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the 
Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural 
areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower 
their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are 
on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise 
their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually 
(this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may 
reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap) 
get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt, 
Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they 
created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's 
suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC 
(eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could 
move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the 
same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe 
Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get 
$80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using 
their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless 
(I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not 
need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting model.

Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it 
had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return 
regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs 
are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is 
still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their 
rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy, 
and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for 
wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have 
simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto, 
regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they 
capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy 
comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is 
supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT 
Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless 
acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC 
support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small share of the 
pie.  WISPS need not apply, since they're not carriers, and the 
support was technically for voice.

Oh, voice?  Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is 
allowed to do practically anything so long 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their customers 
instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember the day I 
cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.
 
 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.
 
 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.
 
 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
 
 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.
 
 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC.  In most 
RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port 
numbers.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their 
 customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember 
 the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment.

 Sent from my iPhone4

 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:

 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools   Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Jeremie Chism
I've actually ran into some centurytel areas that you can't port numbers. The 
customers hate the service and if they could port their numbers they would be 
gone. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Well, in most Bell territories you can get service from a CLEC.  In most 
 RLEC cases, there are many things they don't have to do, including port 
 numbers.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 4:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 With competition the ILEC's would have to actually take care of their 
 customers instead of treating them like they don't have a choice. I remember 
 the day I cut the cord from bell. It was a memorable moment.
 
 Sent from my iPhone4
 
 On Feb 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:
 
 It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.
 
 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.
 
 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools   Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.
 
 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.
 
 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.
 
 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.
 
 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Fred,  this was a great explanation!

Thanks,

Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
www.ShowMeBroadband.com
www.StLouisBroadband.com
www.FarmingtonForum.com

314-974-5600


On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting
model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

 BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT
 Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless
 acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC
 support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small 

Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF

2011-02-12 Thread Mike Hammett
It's too bad they're axing competition instead of embracing it.


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On 2/12/2011 12:48 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed
 it.  The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones
 didn't do, and that's the problem.  The FCC sees the spectrum as a
 source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source
 of subsidy money to rural states.

 USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it.  USF replaced an even
 uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high
 switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the
 call.  VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are
 explicit cash subsidies.

 Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools  Libraries, Rural
 Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now,
 High Cost Support.  This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax
 money anyway.  The statutory requirement is that rural telephone
 rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones.  So if it really
 costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then
 the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let
 them hold down the rate.

 But it's a lot more complicated than that.  Cost is averaged across a
 study area, which is in general the operating territory of one
 (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state.  So South
 Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell-
 Tennessee is another.  Verizon has at least two study areas in
 California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE.  CenturyTel has a
 heap of them all over the place, as does TDS.

 The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban
 areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones.  So Qwest in Omaha is
 supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska.  Thus the
 big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have
 urban areas.  That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company
 typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc.,
 which supports very few subscribers.  So the OpEx per subscriber can
 be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient.  If TDS or
 CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate...
 cost goes down but the money still flows!  (The pending NPRM does
 however at least open the issue of merging study areas.)  And the
 Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural
 areas.  So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower
 their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are
 on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise
 their margins.  The rural chains that buy the rural turf eventually
 (this takes a couple of years, though again the pending NPRM may
 reduce this interval, which the FCC cutely calls The Parent Trap)
 get new subsidy flows for them.  So we're screwed both ways.

 When TA96 passed, the FCC at the time was pro-competition (Hundt,
 Kennard) and they wanted to make USF pro-competition too.  So they
 created the Equal Support Rule.  This is a tiny bit like Jeremie's
 suggested voucher system.  A USF-eligible carrier is called an ETC
 (eligible telecommunications carrier). A Competitive ETC (CETC) could
 move into an area whose ILEC got USF.  The CETC would then get the
 same amount *per line* as the ILEC-ETC.  So if East Overshoe
 Telephone got $80/month/line, then Northern Wireless could get
 $80/month/line for selling a fixed-wireless telephone line (using
 their cellular network and a POTS-phone adapter).  Northern Wireless
 (I made that name up but it alludes to a once-huge CETC) would not
 need to show its own costs, as competitors don't fit the ILEC accounting 
 model.

 Now you'd think that this was a great idea, like a voucher, but it
 had a big problem.  The ILEC-ETC is usually under Rate of Return
 regulation.  So their profit margin is fixed.  Most of their costs
 are fixed too.  So if the CETC takes lines away, the ILEC-ETC is
 still entitled to keep the subsidy level needed to maintain their
 rate of return and the same low prices.  So they keep their subsidy,
 and USF ends up paying twice!  This is the FCC's justification for
 wanting to do away with competitive ETCs entirely -- they could have
 simply removed Equal Support, but they're killing CETC in toto,
 regardless of what the law actually says.  A few years ago, they
 capped CETC support.  If a new CETC comes into an area, their subsidy
 comes out of other CETCs, no longer equal support.  The total is
 supposed to phase down to 0 over five years.

 BTW the biggest CETCs were cellular carriers, including Sprint, ATT
 Mobility and its predecessors, and some Verizon Wireless
 acquisitions.  VZ and I think Sprint agreed to phase out their CETC
 support as merger conditions.  CLECs got a rather small share of the
 pie.  WISPS