[WISPA] ARIN numbers
Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
ARIN has little to nothing to do with the US Government. Maybe only historical, if it exists. You should multi-home anyway. How many IPs do you have? How many IPs are you using? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Dealing with ARIN is fairly easy and they have some very helpful people. You have to follow the rules and meet all the criteria, but they will help you with that. On 10/3/2013 12:37 PM, heith petersen wrote: Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6719 - Release Date: 10/03/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 Toll-free (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Well, I have several pops but from the same provider. I have a /20. All are allocated to routers, likely using close to 70%. I would need to dig in a little deeper. Some of our space we allocated to others that we resell bandwidth to, kind of gets a little messy heith From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers ARIN has little to nothing to do with the US Government. Maybe only historical, if it exists. You should multi-home anyway. How many IPs do you have? How many IPs are you using? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Pretty much the only hard and fast rule is you need to be multihomed. If you are not multihomed you don't need ARIN and should be getting the IP space from your upstream provider. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Well, I have several pops but from the same provider. I have a /20. All are allocated to routers, likely using close to 70%. I would need to dig in a little deeper. Some of our space we allocated to others that we resell bandwidth to, kind of gets a little messy heith *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:47 AM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers ARIN has little to nothing to do with the US Government. Maybe only historical, if it exists. You should multi-home anyway. How many IPs do you have? How many IPs are you using? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] ARIN numbers Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Wednesday, Oct. 16th at WISPAPALOOZA 9:00 AM - 10:00 AM 3c - Getting Address Space from ARIN Are you interested in getting address space directly from ARIN, but not sure where to begin? Qualification to obtain resources is based on policies developed by the Internet community. John Curran, President and CEO of the American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), will discuss how WISPs can get address space from ARIN based on current policy- including the ways to qualify for ASNs, IPv4, and IPv6. He will also cover how WISPs can get involved in the policy development process that determines how Internet number resources are managed in the ARIN region. Moderator: John Curran http://www.wispa.org/where-there-is-a-wisp-there-is-a-way Where there is a Wisp, there is a way! http://www.cvent.com/d/xcqthv Join Us at WISPAPALOOZA 2013 - Las Vegas, Oct 12-18 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of heith petersen Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
I might have read that wrong on their site, but I thought there were some exclusions from being multi-homed. More or less I want my own space incase I want to make a move down the road to different provider. Maybe it will raise a flag with our current provider that these guys are looking. I would actually have to buy from a competitor to be multihomed, however I am sure a lot of WISPS have to do this as well heith From: Jon Auer Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Pretty much the only hard and fast rule is you need to be multihomed. If you are not multihomed you don't need ARIN and should be getting the IP space from your upstream provider. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Well, I have several pops but from the same provider. I have a /20. All are allocated to routers, likely using close to 70%. I would need to dig in a little deeper. Some of our space we allocated to others that we resell bandwidth to, kind of gets a little messy heith From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers ARIN has little to nothing to do with the US Government. Maybe only historical, if it exists. You should multi-home anyway. How many IPs do you have? How many IPs are you using? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:37:21 AM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
I literally just finished doing this (within the past month). It was a very easy process. I filed for a /22 multi-homed. They needed copies of my upstream agreements from two different AS#, two /24's SWIP'ed to me, and spreadsheet with utilization of the two /24s. Took 4 days to get an AS# and 15 days to get my /22 from beginning to end. Not sure what it would be like going for single homed, but I would think it would be just as painless you just have to justify the need for a /20 instead. On 10/03/2013 11:37 AM, heith petersen wrote: Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Sam, I have always wondered where your upstream came from. I might be close to one of your providers. If multihomed truly needed to be required, you think I would need to be at all of our POPs with our current provider? thanks heith From: Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers I literally just finished doing this (within the past month). It was a very easy process. I filed for a /22 multi-homed. They needed copies of my upstream agreements from two different AS#, two /24's SWIP'ed to me, and spreadsheet with utilization of the two /24s. Took 4 days to get an AS# and 15 days to get my /22 from beginning to end. Not sure what it would be like going for single homed, but I would think it would be just as painless you just have to justify the need for a /20 instead. On 10/03/2013 11:37 AM, heith petersen wrote: Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Only have one POP in Valentine, just two separate fiber feeds. Haven't had much luck with Golden West on getting reasonable transport or DIA quotes. Not sure what you are asking on the multihomed part. You can advertise a subset of your IP space out different POPs if they are not interconnected. So for instance you have half your network out of POP1 with provider A and the other half out of POP2 with provider B, you can run BGP and advertise a different /21 out of each. Obviously it would be better if you could route all traffic out of either but sometimes that is not a viable option. I don't know if that is proper from ARINs perspective, but I do know it is technically possible. On 10/03/2013 02:33 PM, heith petersen wrote: Sam, I have always wondered where your upstream came from. I might be close to one of your providers. If multihomed truly needed to be required, you think I would need to be at all of our POPs with our current provider? thanks heith *From:* Sam Tetherow mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:48 PM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers I literally just finished doing this (within the past month). It was a very easy process. I filed for a /22 multi-homed. They needed copies of my upstream agreements from two different AS#, two /24's SWIP'ed to me, and spreadsheet with utilization of the two /24s. Took 4 days to get an AS# and 15 days to get my /22 from beginning to end. Not sure what it would be like going for single homed, but I would think it would be just as painless you just have to justify the need for a /20 instead. On 10/03/2013 11:37 AM, heith petersen wrote: Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers
Got ya. We used to do SDN, and could still be an option in some parts, I would rather not though From: Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers Only have one POP in Valentine, just two separate fiber feeds. Haven't had much luck with Golden West on getting reasonable transport or DIA quotes. Not sure what you are asking on the multihomed part. You can advertise a subset of your IP space out different POPs if they are not interconnected. So for instance you have half your network out of POP1 with provider A and the other half out of POP2 with provider B, you can run BGP and advertise a different /21 out of each. Obviously it would be better if you could route all traffic out of either but sometimes that is not a viable option. I don't know if that is proper from ARINs perspective, but I do know it is technically possible. On 10/03/2013 02:33 PM, heith petersen wrote: Sam, I have always wondered where your upstream came from. I might be close to one of your providers. If multihomed truly needed to be required, you think I would need to be at all of our POPs with our current provider? thanks heith From: Sam Tetherow Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARIN numbers I literally just finished doing this (within the past month). It was a very easy process. I filed for a /22 multi-homed. They needed copies of my upstream agreements from two different AS#, two /24's SWIP'ed to me, and spreadsheet with utilization of the two /24s. Took 4 days to get an AS# and 15 days to get my /22 from beginning to end. Not sure what it would be like going for single homed, but I would think it would be just as painless you just have to justify the need for a /20 instead. On 10/03/2013 11:37 AM, heith petersen wrote: Kind of late in the game for this question, but has anyone been able to successfully acquire IP space from ARIN? I have read that they have 1 full/8 3/4 of another /8. We have always received our IPs from our upstream provider, and where I live there are not a lot of other choices for providers. Honestly, we may have been lulled into thinking that we were to small to get our own space, or we needed to be multi-homed. I have read on the website that we could fairly easily qualify, as far as what is currently percentage wise utilized. I need to start shifting all our networks to be fully routed and would be nice to have our own space. Our provider is fairly big in the upper plains, however things may change were we need to shift, or maybe get a second provider. I assume that since ARIN is a non-profit organization that they would not be affected by the current government shut down. I could be wrong. I see they will be represented at WISPALooza this year. I was hoping to get a little input on current success from others before I put in a lot more research thanks in advance heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
