Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
Do any of you use caching to save on bandwidth consumption? Blair Davis wrote: The other point is, that with a good mix of residential and business customers, and a little creative thinking, one can match their usage patterns to minimize ones peak bandwidth requirements while still

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
This will get harder as 4Q07 approaches and ATT rolls out it's $10 DSL and $19.95 Naked DSL - as per merger concessions. There will be a ton of disqualifiers. However, this will effectively put many Residential ISPs in the NFL cities out of business. I don't understand the race to the

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
, January 25, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management This will get harder as 4Q07 approaches and ATT rolls out it's $10 DSL and $19.95 Naked DSL - as per merger concessions. There will be a ton of disqualifiers. However, this will effectively put many Residential ISPs

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management We sell mainly to residential users and to some small businesses. We are quite rural, and my cost for a T-1 is $450 per month. My pending fiber hookup is $1100 per

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Jason
I do. I run a squid cache (that way filtering comes easy too). I get a hit rate of 40% (40% of requested items come from the cache), and this accounts for 20% of the bandwidth (the 40% are usually small graphics, etc). So I stretch my bandwidth by about 20%. Jason Peter R. wrote: Do any

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote: Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't help it... No really, the devil is always in the details

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote: Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't help it... No really, the devil is always in the details in these things. This is just the detail I was looking

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Jason
(any Trango users who could possibly comment?). Rich From: Ryan Langseth To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote: Thanks much. I love it when you talk

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Rich Comroe
the inbound bw anyway. So it now looks prudent to me to have BOTH bw management built into the radios, AND at the head-end. Rich - Original Message - From: Jason To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread George Rogato
, AND at the head-end. Rich - Original Message - From: Jason To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management From what I understand, there are many types of qdisc (HTB, CBQ, Prio, on and on) that you can

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Peter R.
They aren't saying 10MB for $10. They are saying DSL for $10 -- most likely DSL Lite. It will probably be felt my the dial-up providers like NetZero, since the price is used to add subs. New subs added is the metric that Wall St. is watching. SBC learned that at $10 they can convert dial-up

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
Mikrotik can do this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
anyway. So it now looks prudent to me to have BOTH bw management built into the radios, AND at the head-end. Rich - Original Message - From: Jason To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management From

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: Mikrotik can do this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management List

[WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Jason
List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth management has been discussed, but I Still Haven't Found What I'm Lookin' For... Here's what I'd like to do: 1. Each user starts with a big Internet Pipe. This way casual surfing and emails, etc. happen nice and snappy.

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Matt Liotta
Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to deciding for the customer? -Matt Jason wrote: List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth management has been discussed, but I

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mike Pearson
I believe what you would be looking for is something like a NetEqualizer. This device works to equalize all your traffic to make sure one user is not using up all the pipe. It works by tracking active connections by IP address, if it finds a user hogging the bandwidth it puts a delay on

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Brad Belton
grin...read my mind. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Have you thought about selling the customer

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management List, Several times in the last few weeks the topic of bandwidth management has been discussed, but I Still Haven't Found What I'm Lookin

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mike Ireton
I'm with you jason - the subject of bandwidth management is an important one, and the fact is that new applications (crapplications?!) are appearing all the time which are pushing the business model into a tight spot. We have competing forces - on the one hand, we purchase expensive dedicated

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Matt Liotta wrote: Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to deciding for the customer? When your head dips below the cloud cover, you will realize that not everyone has

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Comroe
to a high erlang per user, or equivalently described as a low oversubscription rate). regards, Rich - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Have you thought

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Have you thought about selling the customer a pipe that works for any and all traffic at the speed the customer signed up for as opposed to deciding for the customer? -Matt Jason wrote: List, Several times in the last few

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Fascinating. I only spoke of leaky bucket because that's practically a match to what Jason originally described to the list (and I happen to know of radios that have this algorithm internally programmed -- happens to be Canopy). But I

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Patrick Leary
List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Matt, What an asinine comment! You sound like you ought to be giving bandwidth away with the pride and carefree attitude that you portrayed with such indignant comment. If the truth was known you aren't any different than anyone else

RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Mac Dearman
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management I would suspect that the customer (as is the case in much of the world, not necessarily

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Travis Johnson
Butch, That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1 and selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight years ago we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for $250 per month. This is the entire ISP business model. Travis Microserv Butch Evans

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Travis Johnson
OR, we could stop playing the Cable Co. and Telco games with their up to 3meg and up to 7meg connections for $34.95 and just start selling what they get. We started selling 512k, 1meg, 1.5meg and 2meg connections (up and down, guaranteed speed 24x7) about 3 years ago. It was the best thing we

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: That's not correct. About 5 years ago, we were paying $1,500 per T1 and selling T1 speed wireless for $250 per month. Seven to eight years ago we were paying $3,000 per T1 and selling wireless T1 for $250 per month. This is the entire ISP business

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Rich Comroe
will share what bw management algorithms they may have built-in. thanks again, Rich - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management Rich, --- Here is the detail from

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Jason Wallace
That is exactly the issue I have. The system I need this for is an extremely rural retirement community, satellite-connected WISP with 1meg down 128k up and 266megs total per day limit (8gig spread over 30 days). Just one all night P2P session will cause the upstream provider to cut the

Re: [WISPA] Advanced Bandwidth Management

2007-01-24 Thread Ryan Langseth
On Jan 24, 2007, at 8:25 PM, Rich Comroe wrote: Thanks much. I love it when you talk technical! Sorry, couldn't help it... No really, the devil is always in the details in these things. This is just the detail I was looking for. After I digest I hope I may send questions your way