Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-07 Thread Marco Coelho
Where is here?



On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote:
 We pay @ 4K/month for 3Mbps/512Kbps for a rural town, which is really 3Mbps
 on a 5x oversell. It's really ugly, so caching is a must. There is no hope
 for a better future either 8(.

 - Dan


 On 9/2/2010 8:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

 Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for
 6 meg connections.

 Scott

 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)...
 and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am
 selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools,
 etc. for $500/month.

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

 I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
 Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
 already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
 finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
 now does not apply to me.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box
 or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support
 calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from
 your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an
 ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all
 content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites
 you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy
 can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly
 from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid
 box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your
 users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias



 
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-07 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
10 towers in 50 miles means lots of nice customer access locations!  grin
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scottie Arnett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains or 
something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's just 
hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an average 
of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20 miles you 
hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either build a 1000' 
tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50 miles, either get 
VERY expensive.

  Scottie

  - Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
  Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth 
for 6 meg connections.

  Scott
- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. 
I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, 
etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 
  I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now 
does not apply to me.


  Friendly Regards,


  Mike



--

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
  Regards,

  Chuck



  On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

   Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
  CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

  I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
  proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
  connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
  save me. And I can do this every day. :)

  Travis
  Microserv



  On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
   On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
  
   Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches 
(another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer 
support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
   Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just 
create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching 
all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites 
you choose.
  
   If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then 
use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy 
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly 
from a client instead of your Squid box.
  
   Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If 
your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and 
your users continue to surf the web normally.
  
   --
   Blake Covarrubias
  
  
   

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Dan Ferguson


  
  
We pay @ 4K/month for 3Mbps/512Kbps for a rural town, which is
really 3Mbps on a 5x oversell. It's really ugly, so caching is a
must. There is no hope for a better future either 8(. 

- Dan


On 9/2/2010 8:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

  
  
  Consider yourself lucky...in
  theREAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg
  connections.
  
  Scott
  
- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wednesday, September
  01, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
  Akamai / other caching servers


I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg
as my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated
connections to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

  
  
  
  
I too would love to know that formula. I doubt
  if it would work in rural Tama County Iowa. Most
  businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
  already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest
  obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So
  even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now
  does not apply to me.


  Friendly Regards,
  
  Mike
  


  
 
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck
Hogg
Sent:
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To:
WISPA General List
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


I wish I had $500/mth business customers to
  sign up everyday!
  Regards,
  
  Chuck
  
  

  On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09
PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Been there, done ALL of
that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing
in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting,
adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go
install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional
bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv
  

  

On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson
wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not
worth the headaches (another box or two to
maintain, some sites don't like to be cached,
customer support calls, web sites blocking a
certain IP address because ALL the traffic from
your network is coming from the cache server IP,
etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching
certain sites. Just create an ACL to deny
caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny
caching all content by default, then create an
ACL which only allows caching of sites you
choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests
sourced from a single IP then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4).
With this your proxy can be fully transparent
appearing as if the requests were sourced
directly from a client instead of your Squid
box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to
Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box dies the
router automatically stops redirecting the
traffic, and your users continue to surf

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked together 
and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each 
other and  their businesses.

There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
However there are a series of options to explore...

Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local 
alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get access 
@ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with lowest 
cost access ? ...

Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there are 
3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a lot 
less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet Access...

e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To purchase 
IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE THEIR 
MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP 
Transit from a Competitive provider..

In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a Fat 
Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out 
Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to 
purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the folks 
who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.

Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less 
expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a GIGE is 
$1200Unless you ask then explicitly...



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
 I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I
 pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.

 On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
 $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
 Scott

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net
 *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
 (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as
 my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections
 to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

 I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work
 in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e.
 farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My
 biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a
 statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this
 business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a
 cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv



 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
  On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches
 (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be
 cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP
 address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from
 the cache server IP, etc.).
  Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just
 create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain?
 Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which
 only allows caching of sites you choose.
 
  If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP
 then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4).
 With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the
 requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your
 Squid box.
 
  Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If
 your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting
 the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally.
 
  --
  Blake

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Brad Belton
You guys have it all wrong IMO and should be counting your blessings that
$1000 T1's still exist out there.  Those are the areas a WISP can excel by
offering a better valued service.  Once all the $1000 T1's go away so will
the little guys...YOU!

Location - Location - Location

Absolutely location makes a difference in bandwidth cost regardless of who
is providing service.  If not, you're saying providing service to your
neighbor is the same as providing service to a friend in another county.
What about your tower, additional radios, additional infrastructure support
costs that you will incur to provide this service to Uncle Jeb's farm in the
middle of nowhere?  Does it really cost you the same to provide service in
both these examples?  I think not.

There is no benefit being the first in the race to $0.00...enjoy the fact
there are hundreds if not thousands of markets across America where WISPs
are needed because of the $1000k T1.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

You got that right.  Location, location, location

We'll screw you for all we can get unless you can get it cheaper kinda BS.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

CHEAP is territorial

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
 or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support

 calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
 from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
 ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
 content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites

 you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your 
 proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced 
 directly from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
 Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
 and your users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias





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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Mike Hammett

 Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over 
$1000/mth for 6 meg connections.

Scott

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as
my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections
to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:


I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work
in rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness
(i.e. farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. 
My biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth.  So

even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply
to me.

Friendly Regards,

Mike



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this
business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a
cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches
(another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be
cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP
address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from
the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just
create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain?
Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which
only allows caching of sites you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP
then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4).
With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the
requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your
Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If
your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting
the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias


 

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Mike,
Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.

FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as 
well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held by 
other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the 
contract for.

We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases 
getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out 
of Miami...

If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta / 
Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be more 
than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best 
option.

I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other 
Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
 hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
 truly have limited options.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked together
 and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
 other and  their businesses.

 There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
 However there are a series of options to explore...

 Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
 alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get access
 @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with lowest
 cost access ? ...

 Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there are
 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a lot
 less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet Access...

 e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To purchase
 IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE THEIR
 MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP
 Transit from a Competitive provider..

 In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a Fat
 Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
 Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to
 purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the folks
 who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.

 Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
 expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a GIGE is
 $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet   Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
 I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I
 pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.

 On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
 $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
 Scott

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
   *To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
   *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
   *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

   I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
   (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as
   my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections
   to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.

   Travis
   Microserv


   On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
   I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work
   in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e.
   farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My
   biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a
   statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.

   Friendly Regards,

   Mike

   
 

   *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
   *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
   *To:* WISPA General List
   *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

   I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
   Regards,

   Chuck

   On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net
   mailto:t...@ida.net   wrote:

   Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
   CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this
   business...

   I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a
   cache
   proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
   connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it 
 may
   save

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Ryan Goldberg
Faisal-

I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet backwater. 
 I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to engage in 
business with carriers.

Any input is appreciated.

Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.
 
 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...
 
 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.
 
 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
  hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
  truly have limited options.
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
  I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
 together
  and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
  other and  their businesses.
 
  There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
  However there are a series of options to explore...
 
  Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
  alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
 access
  @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
 lowest
  cost access ? ...
 
  Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
 are
  3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
 lot
  less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
 Access...
 
  e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
 purchase
  IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
 THEIR
  MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP
  Transit from a Competitive provider..
 
  In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a
 Fat
  Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
  Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to
  purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the
 folks
  who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.
 
  Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
  expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a
 GIGE is
  $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...
 
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet   Telecom
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
  I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6
 meg. I
  pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.
 
  On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
  Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
  $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
  Scott
 
- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
*To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12
 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average
 $50/meg as
my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated
 connections
to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.
 
Travis
Microserv
 
 
On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would
 work
in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness
 (i.e.
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.
 My
biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So
 even a
statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply
 to me.
 
Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
---
 -
 
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
 Hogg
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
I

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Ryan Goldberg
Er, small clarification.  Transport.  Transit is straightforward once out of 
here (130 miles to carrier hotel).

Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Ryan Goldberg
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:57 AM
 To: 'fai...@snappydsl.net'; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 Faisal-

 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was
 formed/used to engage in business with carriers.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Ryan

  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
  Mike,
  Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
  FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
  well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
  by
  other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have
 the
  contract for.
 
  We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
  getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases
 out
  of Miami...
 
  If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
  Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
  more
  than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
  option.
 
  I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and
 other
  Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
  On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want
 to
   hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple
 that
   truly have limited options.
  
   -
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
   On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
   I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
  together
   and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit
 each
   other and  their businesses.
  
   There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
   However there are a series of options to explore...
  
   Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
   alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
  access
   @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
  lowest
   cost access ? ...
  
   Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
  are
   3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
  lot
   less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
  Access...
  
   e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
  purchase
   IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
  THEIR
   MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase
 IP
   Transit from a Competitive provider..
  
   In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a
  Fat
   Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
   Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than
 to
   purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the
  folks
   who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.
  
   Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
   expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a
  GIGE is
   $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...
  
  
  
   Faisal Imtiaz
   Snappy Internet   Telecom
  
  
   On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
   I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6
  meg. I
   pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.
  
   On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
   Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
   $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
   Scott
  
 - Original Message -
 *From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
 *To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
  
 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12
  connection
 (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average
  $50/meg as
 my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated
  connections
 to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.
  
 Travis
 Microserv
  
  
 On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
 I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it
 would
  work
 in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are
 agribusiness
  (i.e.
 farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.
  My
 biggest obstacle

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Mike Hammett
  If Hunter Newbie doesn't botch the Allied Fiber project, that should 
open up a lot of opportunity for WISPs within earshot of their fiber.  
They're planning on having a ring circling the US.  The next leg will be 
going from Ashburn down to Miami.

I'm trying to get WISPs all along the routes to bond together to haul 
back to a Chicago or a New York where you can buy transit for $1/meg.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/3/2010 6:45 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.

 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.

 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...

 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.

 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
 hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
 truly have limited options.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked together
 and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
 other and  their businesses.

 There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
 However there are a series of options to explore...

 Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
 alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get access
 @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with lowest
 cost access ? ...

 Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there are
 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a lot
 less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet Access...

 e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To purchase
 IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE THEIR
 MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP
 Transit from a Competitive provider..

 In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a Fat
 Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
 Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to
 purchase IP Transit Locally.. . This is especially true for the folks
 who are spending more than $2500 in IP Transit.

 Many carrier will not tell you that the next tier is a lot less
 expensive...e.g  10meg Access is $800/month, however 100meg on a GIGE is
 $1200Unless you ask then explicitly...



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy InternetTelecom


 On 9/3/2010 12:37 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
 I'll repeat the same..  you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I
 pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.

 On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:
 Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over
 $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
 Scott

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnsonmailto:t...@ida.net
*To:* WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as
my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections
to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work
in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e.
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My
biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a
statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.

Friendly Regards,

Mike


 

*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the 
'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop 
trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by 
the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing 
things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates 
simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the 
agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are 
in alignment.

In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP, 
and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.

e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of 
Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP 
Transit out of Miami, etc...

The key area of contentions  are two 

1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and 
not going to dip out on the contract.

2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each 
other and have a high level of Trust between each other.

---
Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' 
with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and 
leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each 
other's POP's...

And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are 
building them out

It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower 
when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is 
'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.

..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those 
tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local 
ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / 
upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds 
of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far 
better business practice than the alternative.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-

 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to 
 engage in business with carriers.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.

 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.

 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...

 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.

 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.


 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
 hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
 truly have limited options.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
 together
 and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
 other and  their businesses.

 There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
 However there are a series of options to explore...

 Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
 alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
 access
 @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
 lowest
 cost access ? ...

 Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
 are
 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
 lot
 less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
 Access...

 e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
 purchase
 IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
 THEIR
 MSA's with the ILEC to get less expensive transport and purchase IP
 Transit from a Competitive provider..

 In many cases, it has been less expensive to be able to purchase a
 Fat
 Pipe (OC3 / DS3 / 100Meg Ethernet / Gig E) transport to a far out
 Carrier Neutral Data Center and pickup IP Transit from there than to
 purchase IP

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
 (620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as
 my hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections
 to businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:
 I too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work
 in rural Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness 
 (i.e.
 farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint. My
 biggest obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a
 statement that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to 
 me.

 Friendly Regards,

 Mike

 
 

 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
 Regards,

 Chuck

 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net
 mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. 
 Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this
 business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a
 cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a 
 business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth 
 it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv



 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
  On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the 
 headaches
 (another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be
 cached, customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP
 address because ALL the traffic from your network is coming from
 the cache server IP, etc.).
  Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. 
 Just
 create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain?
 Deny caching all content by default, then create an ACL which
 only allows caching of sites you choose.
 
  If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a 
 single IP
 then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4).
 With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if 
 the
 requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your
 Squid box.
 
  Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using 
 WCCP. If
 your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting
 the traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally.
 
  --
  Blake Covarrubias
 
 
  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from me 
on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the 
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop 
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by 
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing 
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates 
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the 
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are 
 in alignment.
 
 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP, 
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.
 
 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of 
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP 
 Transit out of Miami, etc...
 
 The key area of contentions  are two 
 
 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and 
 not going to dip out on the contract.
 
 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each 
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.
 
 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered' 
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and 
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each 
 other's POP's...
 
 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are 
 building them out
 
 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower 
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is 
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.
 
 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those 
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local 
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements / 
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds 
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far 
 better business practice than the alternative.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-
 
 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to 
 engage in business with carriers.
 
 Any input is appreciated.
 
 Ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.
 
 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...
 
 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.
 
 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
 hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
 truly have limited options.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
 together
 and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
 other and  their businesses.
 
 There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
 However there are a series of options to explore...
 
 Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
 alternate fiber provider and try to be flexible in I want to get
 access
 @ this location  vs.. @ Which location can you provide me with
 lowest
 cost access ? ...
 
 Folks also need to find alternate carriers.. In many cases, there
 are
 3rd party 'transport providers' that have T1 contracts which are a
 lot
 less expensive than what the local provider charges for Internet
 Access...
 
 e.g. in the ILEC land, the ILEC is ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSIVE To
 purchase
 IP transit from... there are always 3rd party providers who USE
 THEIR
 MSA's with the ILEC to get less

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I would suggest some of the following as starting points...

1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport 
provider.

2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any 
took out right of way permits for Fiber installs.

3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them.

4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask 
questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g.  can u provide me with 
Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address ) ?  the answer may 
be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then 
you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with 
Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of 
y$ You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$

5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that 
are willing to work with you in a joint manner.

6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller 
LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major 
Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E 
transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what 
it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom


On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from me 
 on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:

 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are
 in alignment.

 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP,
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.

 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP
 Transit out of Miami, etc...

 The key area of contentions  are two 

 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and
 not going to dip out on the contract.

 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.

 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered'
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each
 other's POP's...

 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are
 building them out

 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.

 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements /
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far
 better business practice than the alternative.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-

 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to 
 engage in business with carriers.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.

 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.

 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...

 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.

 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am 
looking for a second connection so it never hurts. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 I would suggest some of the following as starting points...
 
 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport 
 provider.
 
 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any 
 took out right of way permits for Fiber installs.
 
 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them.
 
 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask 
 questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g.  can u provide me with 
 Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address ) ?  the answer may 
 be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then 
 you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with 
 Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of 
 y$ You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$
 
 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that 
 are willing to work with you in a joint manner.
 
 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller 
 LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major 
 Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E 
 transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what 
 it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from 
 me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:
 
 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are
 in alignment.
 
 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP,
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.
 
 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP
 Transit out of Miami, etc...
 
 The key area of contentions  are two 
 
 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and
 not going to dip out on the contract.
 
 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.
 
 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered'
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each
 other's POP's...
 
 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are
 building them out
 
 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.
 
 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements /
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far
 better business practice than the alternative.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-
 
 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used 
 to engage in business with carriers.
 
 Any input is appreciated.
 
 Ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.
 
 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...
 
 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Sorry / forgot to say.. Total $ wise you are falling into the range 
where your savings are not necessarily going to be in form of a reduced 
monthly bill.. but more like you could get twice the amount of bandwidth 
for the same spending ...


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom

On 9/3/2010 9:00 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am 
 looking for a second connection so it never hurts.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:

 I would suggest some of the following as starting points...

 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport
 provider.

 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any
 took out right of way permits for Fiber installs.

 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them.

 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask
 questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g.  can u provide me with
 Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address ) ?  the answer may
 be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then
 you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with
 Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of
 y$ You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$

 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that
 are willing to work with you in a joint manner.

 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller
 LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major
 Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E
 transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what
 it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from 
 me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net   wrote:

 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are
 in alignment.

 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP,
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.

 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP
 Transit out of Miami, etc...

 The key area of contentions  are two 

 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and
 not going to dip out on the contract.

 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.

 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered'
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each
 other's POP's...

 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are
 building them out

 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.

 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements /
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far
 better business practice than the alternative.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet   Telecom


 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-

 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used 
 to engage in business with carriers.

 Any input is appreciated.

 Ryan

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.

 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
More for the same is just like a savings. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 Sorry / forgot to say.. Total $ wise you are falling into the range 
 where your savings are not necessarily going to be in form of a reduced 
 monthly bill.. but more like you could get twice the amount of bandwidth 
 for the same spending ...
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 On 9/3/2010 9:00 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Pricing here is what I think is competitive. 100meg for 2800.00 but I am 
 looking for a second connection so it never hurts.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net  wrote:
 
 I would suggest some of the following as starting points...
 
 1. See if your local power company has an affiliated fiber transport
 provider.
 
 2. Check with local county / permitting department to see who if any
 took out right of way permits for Fiber installs.
 
 3. Who is your local Cable Company ? Talk to them.
 
 4... The MOST IMPORTANT thing to keep in mind is that .. You have to ask
 questions in a specific but direct manner... e.g.  can u provide me with
 Fiber transport to the Cogent Location (Address ) ?  the answer may
 be yes, and in a few days they will tell you it will cost x$...and then
 you can ask the Question.. What would it cost for you to provide me with
 Fiber transport to Atlanta/Telx ... in a few days you get an answer of
 y$ You may be surprised to find out that y$ is less than x$
 
 5. See if there are any other ISP/WISP, in this 100 mile distance that
 are willing to work with you in a joint manner.
 
 6. Last but not least... Who is your local Telco ? Some of the smaller
 LEC's are now warming up to selling Fat Pipe/ Transport to the Major
 Peering Points.. (e.g. most recently, a fellow ISP has negotiated Gig E
 transport from his small town to Atlanta/ Telx for a lot less than what
 it was costing him to get 100meg of Internet Transit from the same LEC !.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 8:33 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
 Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from 
 me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net   wrote:
 
 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are
 in alignment.
 
 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP,
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.
 
 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP
 Transit out of Miami, etc...
 
 The key area of contentions  are two 
 
 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and
 not going to dip out on the contract.
 
 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.
 
 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered'
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each
 other's POP's...
 
 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are
 building them out
 
 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.
 
 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements /
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far
 better business practice than the alternative.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet   Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-
 
 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet 
 backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used 
 to engage in business with carriers.
 
 Any input is appreciated.
 
 Ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Justin Wilson
I assume you are meaning the Mississippi Telcom center at 111 East
Capitol? (800) 354-7695  is the number I have for them.

-- 
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News
http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter
Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support




From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 07:33:03 -0500
To: fai...@snappydsl.net fai...@snappydsl.net, WISPA General List
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

Cogent has a colo facility in Jackson MS that is about 100 miles away from
me on I20. How do I locate these alternate transit providers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

 There are many ways to do this, which one is best, really depends on the
 'Trust Level' in the group. I have found that it is easier to develop
 trust on a one on one basis, ( I trust you , and you trust John, so by
 the virtue of my trust in you, I can trust John...etc).Sometimes doing
 things at a Group Level tends to be better other times, it complicates
 simple matters. The most important thing to keep in mind is that, the
 agreements should be aligned to make sure that everyone's interests are
 in alignment.
 
 In most of my dealings, the primary contract is held by one of the  ISP,
 and they are billing the 'downstream' isp.
 
 e.g. We are the primary contract holder for IP Transit out of
 Atlanta and another ISP is the primary contract holder for IP
 Transit out of Miami, etc...
 
 The key area of contentions  are two 
 
 1. Make sure that the Primary Contract holder is financially strong and
 not going to dip out on the contract.
 
 2. Make sure that ISP/WISP's have a good / open communication among each
 other and have a high level of Trust between each other.
 
 ---
 Heck, most of the Wireline ISP's in Florida are now 'private peered'
 with each other, have been buying / selling excess capacity and
 leveraging existing contracts for distance sensitive services from each
 other's POP's...
 
 And now, working on doing the SAME one our Wireless Networks as we are
 building them out
 
 It makes no sense for me to go into the next county to build a tower
 when I can purchase access at a pre-negotiated rate from the ISP who is
 'Local' to that county.. and vice versa.
 
 ..Yes, most of us are not going after the sub $50 or accounts... Those
 tend to be piddly.. rather just refer those customers to the local
 ISP/WISP, but getting customers who are looking for t1 replacements /
 upgrade  or Metro Ethernet Replacements / upgrades running into hundreds
 of $ / month. plenty of margin to keep everyone happy.. makes it a far
 better business practice than the alternative.
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:56 AM, Ryan Goldberg wrote:
 Faisal-
 
 I'm working to organize group-buys of transit out of my own internet
backwater.  I'm curious as to what (if any) legal entity was formed/used to
engage in business with carriers.
 
 Any input is appreciated.
 
 Ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
 Mike,
 Keep beating the drum, maybe sooner than later it will sink in.
 
 FWIW, we have been doing this with a few of other Wireline ISP's as
 well I myself am sharing into circuits / IP transit contract held
 by
 other ISP's and also have others sharing into circuits that I have the
 contract for.
 
 We are doing that out of two cities, Atlanta and Miami, in some cases
 getting stuff out of Atlanta was less expensive, and in other cases out
 of Miami...
 
 If any of the WISP's wish to explore getting 'transport' to Atlanta /
 Telx 56 Marrietta, and picking up IP transit from there, we will be
 more
 than happy to guide them / help them explore as to what is there best
 option.
 
 I know of other ISP's who have great contracts out of Dallas and other
 Data Centers that would be willing to do such as well.
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've been beating that drum for years, Faisal.  Most don't want to
 hear it and would rather keep crying.  I've only found a couple that
 truly have limited options.
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 9/3/2010 5:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I sincerely believe that this is one area if the WISP's worked
 together
 and also used some outside the box thinking, can really benefit each
 other and  their businesses.
 
 There is no clear cut solution that works for each and everyone.
 However there are a series of options to explore...
 
 Folks paying for DS3 / OC3 .. have to find a local or the local
 alternate fiber provider and try

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains or 
something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's just 
hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an average 
of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20 miles you 
hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either build a 1000' 
tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50 miles, either get 
VERY expensive.

Scottie

- Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


  On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 
6 meg connections.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. 
I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, 
etc. for $500/month. 

  Travis
  Microserv


  On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 
I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now 
does not apply to me.


Friendly Regards,


Mike





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another 
box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support 
calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from 
your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create 
an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you 
choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then 
use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy 
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly 
from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
 Blake Covarrubias


 

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-03 Thread Chuck Profito
ROUND UP + Air Plane = thousands in savings and pre made towers ;-)

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 3:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

No it's not...I didn't mean it that way. At least there are some mountains
or something to wirelessly backhaul to another place. Where I am at it's
just hills and hills and then some more hills. The hills usually run in an
average of height of 100' - 300' of each other. Once you find a way to go 20
miles you hit another hill thats 300' higher than you were. So you either
build a 1000' tower and hope for the best or you put up 10 towers to go 50
miles, either get VERY expensive.

 

Scottie

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net  

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:28 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

Idaho isn't exactly a booming metropolis.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 9/2/2010 11:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: 

Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for
6 meg connections.

 

Scott

- Original Message - 

From: Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net  

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)...
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am
selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools,
etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
now does not apply to me.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck




On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box
or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support
calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from
your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an
ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all
content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites
you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use
TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly
from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid
box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your
users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
 Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth savings, 
 maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the
content not just Akamai?  I've never use used a web cahce always had the 
bandwidth and the problems were not worth it

When we had Mikrotik redirecting to squid we saved about 20 - 30
percent overall bandwidth.  That was on a 50mbps circuit.  Not only
that it sped up popular sites quite a bit.  The downside, so many
sites gave trouble it just was not worth it.  To much tech support.
To enable it manually just for select sites will likely not be worth
the time.

I really wish websites were all proxy friendly.  We could save some
bandwidth and improve end user experience.  Video streaming could even
use encrypted cached chunks to save bandwidth through a proxy cache.
Disk space is cheap.  Could easilly put together a box with 4+ TB
drives.

Matt



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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
CHEAP is territorial

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
 or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support 
 calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
 from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
 ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
 content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites 
 you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your 
 proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced 
 directly from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
 Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
 and your users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 
meg connections.

Scott
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)... 
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am selling 
10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools, etc. for 
$500/month. 

  Travis
  Microserv


  On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 
I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural 
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right now 
does not apply to me.



Friendly Regards,



Mike






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers



I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, 
web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your 
network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content 
by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can 
be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a 
client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
You got that right.  Location, location, location

We'll screw you for all we can get unless you can get it cheaper kinda BS.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

CHEAP is territorial

- Original Message - 
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)

 Travis
 Microserv


 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box 
 or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support

 calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
 from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
 ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
 content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites

 you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your 
 proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced 
 directly from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
 Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
 and your users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Dueck




I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg.
I pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy.

On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

  
  
  Consider yourself lucky...in
theREAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections.
  
  Scott
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Travis Johnson 
To:
WISPA General List 
Sent:
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers


I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my
hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to
businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

  

  
  
  I
too would love to know that formula. I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa. Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and
I already have most of them in my footprint. My biggest obstacle right
now is finding cheap bandwidth. So even a statement that bandwidth is
cheap right now does not apply to me.
  
  
  Friendly
Regards,
  
  Mike
  
  
  
  
   
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Chuck
Hogg
  Sent: Wednesday,
September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
  To: WISPA General
List
  Subject: Re:
[WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
  
  
  I wish I had
$500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,
  
Chuck
  
  
  
  On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis
Johnson t...@ida.net
wrote:
  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the
headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...
  
I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)
  
Travis
Microserv
  
  
  
  
On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches
(another box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached,
customer support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because
ALL the traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP,
etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just
create an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny
caching all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows
caching of sites you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP
then use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4).
With this your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the
requests were sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If
your Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the
traffic, and your users continue to surf the web normally.

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[WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Carullo
Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth savings, 
maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the content not just Akamai?  
I've never use used a web cahce always had the bandwidth and the problems 
were not worth it

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson
 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another 
box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer 
support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the 
traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).


Unless you are paying a FORTUNE for bandwidth, it's not worth doing.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 12:17 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:
Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth 
savings, maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the content not 
just Akamai?  I've never use used a web cahce always had the bandwidth 
and the problems were not worth it


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Blake Covarrubias
On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or 
 two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, 
 web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your 
 network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).

Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL to 
deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by 
default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose.

If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use TProxy 
(http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy can be 
fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly from a 
client instead of your Squid box.

Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid box 
dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your users 
continue to surf the web normally.

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson
  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is 
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache 
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business 
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may 
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or 
 two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support calls, 
 web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from your 
 network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an ACL 
 to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all content by 
 default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
 TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy 
 can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly 
 from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid 
 box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
 users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Mike
I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
now does not apply to me.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box
or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support
calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic from
your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an
ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all
content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites
you choose.

 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use
TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy
can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly
from a client instead of your Squid box.

 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid
box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your
users continue to surf the web normally.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
If you bundle Internet with phone it's actually not that hard to get over 
500/month. I have several over 800. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:

 I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural 
 Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I 
 already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is 
 finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right 
 now does not apply to me.
 
  
 
 Friendly Regards,
 
  
 
 Mike
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers
 
  
 
 I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
 CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...
 
 I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
 proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
 connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
 save me. And I can do this every day. :)
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 
 
 On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
  On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
 
  Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another box or 
  two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer support 
  calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the traffic 
  from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
  Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create an 
  ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching all 
  content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching of sites 
  you choose.
 
  If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then use 
  TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this your proxy 
  can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were sourced directly 
  from a client instead of your Squid box.
 
  Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your Squid 
  box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, and your 
  users continue to surf the web normally.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson
 I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my 
hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to 
businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.


Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:


I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. 
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest 
obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement 
that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.


Friendly Regards,

Mike



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:26 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I wish I had $500/mth business customers to sign up everyday!
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net 
mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:


 Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is
CHEAP now... time is still the most valuable thing in this business...

I can spend hours messing, tweaking, fighting, adjusting, etc. a cache
proxy, or in that same amount of time I can go install a business
connection for $500/month and pay for ANY additional bandwidth it may
save me. And I can do this every day. :)

Travis
Microserv



On 9/1/2010 2:29 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
 On Sep 1, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

 Yes, but the bandwidth savings are not worth the headaches (another 
box or two to maintain, some sites don't like to be cached, customer 
support calls, web sites blocking a certain IP address because ALL the 
traffic from your network is coming from the cache server IP, etc.).
 Its possible to prevent Squid from caching certain sites. Just create 
an ACL to deny caching them. Still too much to maintain? Deny caching 
all content by default, then create an ACL which only allows caching 
of sites you choose.


 If you don't want your proxy requests sourced from a single IP then 
use TProxy (http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Tproxy4). With this 
your proxy can be fully transparent appearing as if the requests were 
sourced directly from a client instead of your Squid box.


 Get a Cisco router and redirect traffic to Squid using WCCP. If your 
Squid box dies the router automatically stops redirecting the traffic, 
and your users continue to surf the web normally.


 --
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Mike
If you are selling dedicated 10M service for $500 and 10M cost YOU $500, how
do you make money?  Or is it really oversubscribed?

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)...
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am
selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools,
etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
now does not apply to me.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson
 You monitor your usage on all the links up to, and including your 
backbone. If I have 100Meg from my core to a tower, does that mean I can 
only sell ten 10Meg connections? Not if my usage never goes above 
50Mbps or even 80Mbps. I graph and monitor every single link, every 
port on every switch, etc. and we use that info to know when to upgrade 
links, etc.


Out of five customers with 10Meg connections, only one of them actually 
bumps up against the 10Meg, and that's only for a couple hours per day. 
Businesses never use what they think they need... but when they run a 
speed test, they want to see 10Meg. :)


Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 7:21 PM, Mike wrote:


If you are selling dedicated 10M service for $500 and 10M cost YOU 
$500, how do you make money?  Or is it really oversubscribed?




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my 
hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to 
businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.


Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. 
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest 
obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement 
that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.


Friendly Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Mike
I like your strategy.  I wish my environment would support such an approach.
The chances of several of them demanding the same bandwidth at the same time
would be slight unless they all start running Netflix.  Do you have an SLA
that states the terms?

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

You monitor your usage on all the links up to, and including your backbone.
If I have 100Meg from my core to a tower, does that mean I can only sell ten
10Meg connections? Not if my usage never goes above 50Mbps or even
80Mbps. I graph and monitor every single link, every port on every switch,
etc. and we use that info to know when to upgrade links, etc.

Out of five customers with 10Meg connections, only one of them actually
bumps up against the 10Meg, and that's only for a couple hours per day.
Businesses never use what they think they need... but when they run a
speed test, they want to see 10Meg. :)

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 7:21 PM, Mike wrote: 

If you are selling dedicated 10M service for $500 and 10M cost YOU $500, how
do you make money?  Or is it really oversubscribed?

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

 

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection (620Mbps)...
and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my hard cost. I am
selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to businesses and schools,
etc. for $500/month. 

Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote: 

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in rural
Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. farmers) and I
already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest obstacle right now is
finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement that bandwidth is cheap right
now does not apply to me.

 

Friendly Regards,

 

Mike

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-01 Thread Travis Johnson
 No... we don't do SLA's for anyone. We have been in business for 15 
years. Our reputation speaks for itself. :)


Travis
Microserv

On 9/1/2010 7:46 PM, Mike wrote:


I like your strategy.  I wish my environment would support such an 
approach.  The chances of several of them demanding the same bandwidth 
at the same time would be slight unless they all start running 
Netflix.  Do you have an SLA that states the terms?


Mike



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:34 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

You monitor your usage on all the links up to, and including your 
backbone. If I have 100Meg from my core to a tower, does that mean I 
can only sell ten 10Meg connections? Not if my usage never goes above 
50Mbps or even 80Mbps. I graph and monitor every single link, 
every port on every switch, etc. and we use that info to know when to 
upgrade links, etc.


Out of five customers with 10Meg connections, only one of them 
actually bumps up against the 10Meg, and that's only for a couple 
hours per day. Businesses never use what they think they need... but 
when they run a speed test, they want to see 10Meg. :)


Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 7:21 PM, Mike wrote:

If you are selling dedicated 10M service for $500 and 10M cost YOU 
$500, how do you make money?  Or is it really oversubscribed?




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

I have two OC-3 connections (155Mbps) and one OC-12 connection 
(620Mbps)... and even at those levels, I still average $50/meg as my 
hard cost. I am selling 10Mbps x 10Mbps dedicated connections to 
businesses and schools, etc. for $500/month.


Travis
Microserv


On 9/1/2010 5:34 PM, Mike wrote:

I too would love to know that formula.  I doubt if it would work in 
rural Tama County Iowa.  Most businesses are agribusiness (i.e. 
farmers) and I already have most of them in my footprint.  My biggest 
obstacle right now is finding cheap bandwidth.  So even a statement 
that bandwidth is cheap right now does not apply to me.


Friendly Regards,

Mike

  

  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-09 Thread Matt Liotta

George Rogato wrote:
Thats my thoughts. But, if NBC isn't paying Akamai, it won't be on their 
servers.


Once you are on a peering exchange it is as easy as asking with Akamai 
since they have an open peering policy. Although, some networks with 
open peering policies will not peer with you if they are already peered 
with one or more of your upstreams. That is our policy for example.


I'm in the Pittock Building, wonder how easy it is to connect to akamai 
or google.



Google is going to require peering in more than one location.

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-09 Thread Travis Johnson

Matt,

Everyone is asking about peering with Google... and I would like to ask 
you because you already are peered with them... do you actually see that 
much traffic going to and from Google? I would think peering with 
Microsoft or NBC or places like that would be much more beneficial?


thanks,

Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:

George Rogato wrote:
Thats my thoughts. But, if NBC isn't paying Akamai, it won't be on 
their servers.


Once you are on a peering exchange it is as easy as asking with Akamai 
since they have an open peering policy. Although, some networks with 
open peering policies will not peer with you if they are already 
peered with one or more of your upstreams. That is our policy for 
example.


I'm in the Pittock Building, wonder how easy it is to connect to 
akamai or google.



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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-09 Thread Matt Liotta

Travis Johnson wrote:

Matt,

Everyone is asking about peering with Google... and I would like to ask 
you because you already are peered with them... do you actually see that 
much traffic going to and from Google? I would think peering with 
Microsoft or NBC or places like that would be much more beneficial?


Yesterday, 0.02% of our traffic was to Google's AS. However, Google was 
number 3 in terms of overall flows. From a flows perspective it is very 
important that we have a peer with Google.


Interestingly, we constantly see Limelight as the top AS for traffic 
volume and Limelight has an open peering policy.


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-09 Thread k claffy


sorry if it was already mentioned, but what many
universities use for caching is (open src) squid:

 http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v3/3.0/ 
 ftp://ftp.squid-cache.org 

(software development originally funded by NSF (i.e.,
US taxpayers) to support research into performance
and scalability of caching.  i've been looking for
a paper for 5 years that compares the performance/costs
of akamai vs more open platforms on either the end
user or access provider, but have never seen any.)

from squid author, Duane Wessels:

You'll have to decide how you want users to reach Squid.  You could 
write a proxy.pac file and then encourage folks to use it.  But  
if its voluntary you might have a hard time getting enough takers.
A more aggressive approach is to use WPAD (DNS and DHCP tricks). 
The most agressive way is to intercept port 80 traffic on a router 
and shunt it to Squid.  

See http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ConfiguringBrowsers
or Chapter 4 of Web Caching (ISBN 1-56592-536-X) 

k


On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 06:30:22PM -0800, George Rogato wrote:
  There is possibly additional costs involved.
  
  Not sure if Marlon is paying by the bit or dedicated or 95%, but Akamai 
  also uses your bandwidth to reach other customers close to you from the 
  servers they place on your network.
  
  I think if someone was colocated in Seattle, they could maybe just peer 
  with them. One way to avoid some bandwidth costs.
  
  Anthony Lemons wrote:
  Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
  anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just 
  install it. More info can be found on their site:  
  http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html
  
  Anthony
  
  At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
  I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the cost 
  for this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 broadband 
  subs, using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the cost benefit 
  these days.
  
  thanks,
  marlon
  
  - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai
  
  
  We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)
  
  We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
  PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
  Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
  speeds doing the updates.
  
  Travis
  Microserv
  
  George Rogato wrote:
  Anybody have any experience with Akamai?
  
  I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
  looking for opinions.
  
  Thanks
  
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Matt Liotta

Mike Hammett wrote:
I can't find any reference to their peering policies.  I'd like to see 
documentation on this, but I doubt that ANY ISP would be able to peer.  
It wouldn't be economical for them to have everyone peered.


Are you referring to Google 
(https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=433) or 
Akamai (https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=2)?


Akamai will peer with you. Google requires at least two locations.

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks for the reference to that site.  That will come in handy in the 
future, no doubt.



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Mike Hammett wrote:
I can't find any reference to their peering policies.  I'd like to see 
documentation on this, but I doubt that ANY ISP would be able to peer. 
It wouldn't be economical for them to have everyone peered.


Are you referring to Google 
(https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=433) or Akamai 
(https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=2)?


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Marlon Schafer
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the cost for 
this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 broadband subs, using 
two different networks.  I'm not sure of the cost benefit these days.


thanks,
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on PC's 
and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the Akamai 
servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT speeds 
doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, looking 
for opinions.


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Anthony Lemons
Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just 
install it. More info can be found on their 
site:  http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html


Anthony

At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the 
cost for this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 
broadband subs, using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the 
cost benefit these days.


thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates 
on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) 
and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers 
get GREAT speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
looking for opinions.


Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
I have known several people to use these and some have seen bandwidth 
savings.  MS updates is one of them.  Something to note, is that as 
George says, it can go both ways.  The key is to find out where people 
are going (YouTube) and ensuring that they will help accelerate that. 


George Rogato wrote:

There is possibly additional costs involved.

Not sure if Marlon is paying by the bit or dedicated or 95%, but 
Akamai also uses your bandwidth to reach other customers close to you 
from the servers they place on your network.


I think if someone was colocated in Seattle, they could maybe just 
peer with them. One way to avoid some bandwidth costs.


Anthony Lemons wrote:
Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just 
install it. More info can be found on their site:  
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html


Anthony

At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the 
cost for this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 
broadband subs, using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the 
cost benefit these days.


thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates 
on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) 
and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers 
get GREAT speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
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Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread George Rogato



Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
 The key is to find out where people

are going (YouTube) and ensuring that they will help accelerate that.


Thats my thoughts. But, if NBC isn't paying Akamai, it won't be on their 
servers.


I'm in the Pittock Building, wonder how easy it is to connect to akamai 
or google.


How does NWAX work?

https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=165

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread George Rogato

There is possibly additional costs involved.

Not sure if Marlon is paying by the bit or dedicated or 95%, but Akamai 
also uses your bandwidth to reach other customers close to you from the 
servers they place on your network.


I think if someone was colocated in Seattle, they could maybe just peer 
with them. One way to avoid some bandwidth costs.


Anthony Lemons wrote:
Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just 
install it. More info can be found on their site:  
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html


Anthony

At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the cost 
for this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 broadband 
subs, using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the cost benefit 
these days.


thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
looking for opinions.


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread D. Ryan Spott

George,

This is pretty simple to do, your colo provider might charge you a  
nominal cross connect fee for the fiber you send to NWAX. However,  
once you connect and your MAC address is registered, you can then  
negotiate pretty decent deals with the other providers in the exchange.


All of this without a loop charge.

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On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, George Rogato wrote:




Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote:
The key is to find out where people

are going (YouTube) and ensuring that they will help accelerate that.


Thats my thoughts. But, if NBC isn't paying Akamai, it won't be on  
their servers.


I'm in the Pittock Building, wonder how easy it is to connect to  
akamai or google.


How does NWAX work?

https://www.peeringdb.com/private/exchange_view.php?id=165

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread Marlon Schafer

Thanks.

I sent in a request for info.

laters,
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- Original Message - 
From: Anthony Lemons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai


Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost 
anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just install 
it. More info can be found on their site: 
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html


Anthony

At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too.  What's the cost for 
this type of thing?  We only service about 450 or 500 broadband subs, 
using two different networks.  I'm not sure of the cost benefit these 
days.


thanks,
marlon

- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai



We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, looking 
for opinions.


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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, January 8, 2008 11:39 pm, Marlon Schafer wrote:

 I sent in a request for info.

Depending on how big you are, you may be waiting a while for a response. A
few months back, I sent in a request for information from Akamai; two
months later, they replied with a very short, very curt your network is
too small for us to bother with message.

Never hurts to ask, though. :)

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-08 Thread George Rogato
I have a direct contact if anyone needs, But I just did the online form 
and they called me a couple weeks later.


George

David E. Smith wrote:

On Tue, January 8, 2008 11:39 pm, Marlon Schafer wrote:


I sent in a request for info.


Depending on how big you are, you may be waiting a while for a response. A
few months back, I sent in a request for information from Akamai; two
months later, they replied with a very short, very curt your network is
too small for us to bother with message.

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-07 Thread George Rogato

Thanks Travis.
I was hoping that Akamai would make somethings go faster being at my pop 
rather than across the net.
Glad Windows updates are there. Any idea what else is there that is a 
possible bandwidth saver or performance enhancer.


We used to have Akamai Servers and a caching server back in the T-1 Dial 
up days, but when we went to managed modems and fiber for our 
connectivity, we cancelled the Akamai servers and shut down the cache.


Now with video's being so popular, I'm looking at Akamai again. I just 
don't know what content is stored on their servers. Would be nice if 
cnn, fox, nbc, abc, etc were all working with Akamai.


Wuld also be nice if there was other companies like Akamai to check out.


George

Travis Johnson wrote:
We've had it for almost 5 years now, and they actually approached us... 
so it was a simple form and they shipped us all the equipment (which 
does take about 4u of rack space and power... it's 3 servers and a switch).


I also know that our servers handle requests for people that are close 
to us, so they may only set up so many people in an area, I'm not sure.


Travis
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Forrest W. Christian wrote:

Travis Johnson wrote:

We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
speeds doing the updates. 

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-07 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Honestly I'm not sure what info they are storing now-a-days. I know a 
lot of yahoo stuff is there and microsoft updates, etc. but I'm not sure 
what else.


Travis
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George Rogato wrote:

Thanks Travis.
I was hoping that Akamai would make somethings go faster being at my 
pop rather than across the net.
Glad Windows updates are there. Any idea what else is there that is a 
possible bandwidth saver or performance enhancer.


We used to have Akamai Servers and a caching server back in the T-1 
Dial up days, but when we went to managed modems and fiber for our 
connectivity, we cancelled the Akamai servers and shut down the cache.


Now with video's being so popular, I'm looking at Akamai again. I just 
don't know what content is stored on their servers. Would be nice if 
cnn, fox, nbc, abc, etc were all working with Akamai.


Wuld also be nice if there was other companies like Akamai to check out.


George

Travis Johnson wrote:
We've had it for almost 5 years now, and they actually approached 
us... so it was a simple form and they shipped us all the equipment 
(which does take about 4u of rack space and power... it's 3 servers 
and a switch).


I also know that our servers handle requests for people that are 
close to us, so they may only set up so many people in an area, I'm 
not sure.


Travis
Microserv

Forrest W. Christian wrote:

Travis Johnson wrote:

We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates 
on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) 
and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers 
get GREAT speeds doing the updates. 

What did you have to go through to get a set for your network?

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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian

Travis Johnson wrote:

We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-06 Thread Travis Johnson
We've had it for almost 5 years now, and they actually approached us... 
so it was a simple form and they shipped us all the equipment (which 
does take about 4u of rack space and power... it's 3 servers and a switch).


I also know that our servers handle requests for people that are close 
to us, so they may only set up so many people in an area, I'm not sure.


Travis
Microserv

Forrest W. Christian wrote:

Travis Johnson wrote:

We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
speeds doing the updates. 

What did you have to go through to get a set for your network?

-forrest


 


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[WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-05 Thread George Rogato

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, looking 
for opinions.


Thanks

George



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Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-05 Thread Travis Johnson

We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :)

We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on 
PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the 
Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT 
speeds doing the updates.


Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:

Anybody have any experience with Akamai?

I'm thinking of adding some Akamai  servers to my network again, 
looking for opinions.


Thanks

George







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