Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned, Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-) On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O, HEHE! ducking under desk =-O WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
You are correct Rick. Units are 3 Mbps and can be upgraded at any time. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Thanks Tom and fortunately I have two great little girls who are able to provide me with the kind of unconditional love only a little kid can...even to a guy like me! :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned, Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-) On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O, HEHE! ducking under desk =-O WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I think you meant Tim. But I also like you alot, consider you an asset to the industry, and think the Alvarion gear is fantastic. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Thanks Tom and fortunately I have two great little girls who are able to provide me with the kind of unconditional love only a little kid can...even to a guy like me! :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned, Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-) On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O, HEHE! ducking under desk =-O WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1085 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 10:35 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
The VL is great gear... But not sure its the best product to solve your specific listed problem. The VL connectorized (long range) is still $1400 per CPE without antenna. Only the integr 21db antenna models are in the low cost Comnet program. Remember OFDM requires a good 5 db more in SNR minimum. The Trango Fox-d has much longer range (at similar price). VL is the choice, if you want rock solid fast short range links. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I'll know in a few months I have a site with Trango now. I'm going to move it to a different local and put VL in this one. I'm looking for more range than I get with the fox-d units. Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at more than 10 miles. And talk about a pita to aim! Anyone using trango or moto with the idiotic dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give us a unit with a built in 2' panel! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available. Please keep me updated as this progresses. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I only need it to go 3 megs for the longer links. I've been assured that with higher gain 90* sectors I should be able to get 15 miles. Guess I'll find out. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH The VL is great gear... But not sure its the best product to solve your specific listed problem. The VL connectorized (long range) is still $1400 per CPE without antenna. Only the integr 21db antenna models are in the low cost Comnet program. Remember OFDM requires a good 5 db more in SNR minimum. The Trango Fox-d has much longer range (at similar price). VL is the choice, if you want rock solid fast short range links. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I'll know in a few months I have a site with Trango now. I'm going to move it to a different local and put VL in this one. I'm looking for more range than I get with the fox-d units. Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at more than 10 miles. And talk about a pita to aim! Anyone using trango or moto with the idiotic dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give us a unit with a built in 2' panel! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available. Please keep me updated as this progresses. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
] Alvarion VL TRUTH I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net capacity as the regular AU. At anytime one can upgrade an AUS to a full AU, at which time it will support also the 54 Mbps CPEs and whatever quantity of CPE the sector and your service model supports (we have some customers with over 200 CPE on such an AU). The program also has a few other modest benefits which can be explained one
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had. Why should the AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block. Its RF polution. Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Motorola...BURNED Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH ...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net capacity
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Ever notice the Software image is smaller on the AES than the DES also Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had. Why should the AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block. Its RF polution. Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE
I almost forgot...WISPs who join the program BEFORE January 1, 2008 and sign at at least the 25 unit per quarter level (any commitment 25-49 per quarter) will get a price for the 5.8 GHz CPE of $299 which is $100 cheaper than the post Jan 1 price of $399 for 10-24. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH ...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE
Last thing (thanks for the reminder C) and those that want full details can ask offline for the pdf on the program. Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE I almost forgot...WISPs who join the program BEFORE January 1, 2008 and sign at at least the 25 unit per quarter level (any commitment 25-49 per quarter) will get a price for the 5.8 GHz CPE of $299 which is $100 cheaper than the post Jan 1 price of $399 for 10-24. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH ...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your access to multipack purchases. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the billing happens at that point. So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of the program and are purchased normally through your selected AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your VAR. The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net capacity as the regular AU. At anytime one can upgrade an AUS to a full AU, at which time it will support also the 54 Mbps CPEs and whatever quantity of CPE the sector and your service model supports (we have some customers with over 200 CPE on such an AU
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP skills ;) Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder, it just avoids the extra delay and load for us. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load? Just curious as we recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us. The session doesn't appear to establish any different than local sessions. We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our network to the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP skills ;) Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder, it just avoids the extra delay and load for us. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Sorry, I meant load and delay on that edge router ... not due to multi- hop. I should of read through that last email. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load? Just curious as we recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us. The session doesn't appear to establish any different than local sessions. We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our network to the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP skills ;) Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder, it just avoids the extra delay and load for us. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available. Please keep me updated as this progresses. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Sorry, meant that to be offlist. I apologize for that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available. Please keep me updated as this progresses. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I'll know in a few months I have a site with Trango now. I'm going to move it to a different local and put VL in this one. I'm looking for more range than I get with the fox-d units. Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at more than 10 miles. And talk about a pita to aim! Anyone using trango or moto with the idiotic dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give us a unit with a built in 2' panel! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available. Please keep me updated as this progresses. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Mike/Patrick: Any further details about this product which could be made available to the list? Thanks! Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Cowan Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH 900 VL is coming It will be an outstanding product. I already placed a huge inventory order. Mike At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote: We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax Mike Cowan Wireless Connections A Division of ACC 166 Milan Ave Norwalk, OH 44857 419-660-6100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wirelessconnections.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single client unit, like T1 replacement)? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
We were using it to connect entire RV sites together with multiple VoIP users on it at once. With its over the air packet prioritization, we noticed a definite increase in call quality as well as call volume (number of calls, not how loud they are;)) -d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single client unit, like T1 replacement)? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I'm looking at the same. I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what he has to say. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Rick, Although I didn't buy the VL radios, I deployed them for Northop Grumman ship systems here in MS. We were using Cisco 1310's before that. The Cisco's were good, but didn't help when the gantry cranes were moving around. After installing the Alvarion radios, cranes were no longer an issue. Now we are deploying more in another shipyard in New Orleans. The OFDM works better than I thought it would especially in an area with ALOT of metal that is on the move all the time. Just my 2 cents. DSLbyAir - Original Message From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:54:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I'm looking at the same. I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what he has to say. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/