Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-14 Thread Tim Wolfe

Smith, Rick wrote:

I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan,

until I read this email
  
Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you 
were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't 
handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned, 
Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-)
On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O, 
HEHE! ducking under desk =-O





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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-14 Thread Patrick Leary
You are correct Rick. Units are 3 Mbps and can be upgraded at any time.

Patrick

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:38 PM
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I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was 
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be 
upgraded, right ?

R


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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural
markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE
and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-14 Thread Patrick Leary
Thanks Tom and fortunately I have two great little girls who are able to
provide me with the kind of unconditional love only a little kid
can...even to a guy like me! :)

Patrick

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 AM
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Smith, Rick wrote:
 I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
fan,

 until I read this email
   
Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you 
were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't

handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned, 
Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-)
On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O, 
HEHE! ducking under desk =-O





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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-14 Thread Tom DeReggi

I think you meant Tim.

But I also like you alot, consider you an asset to the industry, and think 
the Alvarion gear is fantastic. :-)


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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH


Thanks Tom and fortunately I have two great little girls who are able to
provide me with the kind of unconditional love only a little kid
can...even to a guy like me! :)

Patrick

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Smith, Rick wrote:

I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion

fan,


until I read this email


Poor Patrick! :-( , If it makes any difference, I always thought you
were a great guy who was stuck doing a job that a lot of people couldn't

handle, nor would they want to do it.. As far as I am concerned,
Alvarion gets their moneys worth out of you and then some!. ;-)
On another note: Rick, I thought you liked everyone?, even Johnny O,
HEHE! ducking under desk =-O





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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
The VL is great gear... But not sure its the best product to solve your 
specific listed problem.
The VL connectorized (long range) is still $1400 per CPE without antenna. 
Only the integr 21db antenna models are in the low cost Comnet program.

Remember OFDM requires a good 5 db more in SNR minimum.
The Trango Fox-d has much longer range (at similar price).

VL is the choice, if you want rock solid fast short range links.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH



I'll know in a few months

I have a site with Trango now.  I'm going to move it to a different local 
and put VL in this one.  I'm looking for more range than I get with the 
fox-d units.  Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at 
more than 10 miles.


And talk about a pita to aim!  Anyone using trango or moto with the 
idiotic dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give 
us a unit with a built in 2' panel!


laters,
marlon

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From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH


We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and
would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available.
Please keep me updated as this progresses.  Thanks!

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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

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Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:

We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz

channels on

H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,

Works

very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.

We

just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only

they

would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I only need it to go 3 megs for the longer links.  I've been assured that 
with higher gain 90* sectors I should be able to get 15 miles.  Guess I'll 
find out.


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH


The VL is great gear... But not sure its the best product to solve your 
specific listed problem.
The VL connectorized (long range) is still $1400 per CPE without antenna. 
Only the integr 21db antenna models are in the low cost Comnet program.

Remember OFDM requires a good 5 db more in SNR minimum.
The Trango Fox-d has much longer range (at similar price).

VL is the choice, if you want rock solid fast short range links.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH



I'll know in a few months

I have a site with Trango now.  I'm going to move it to a different local 
and put VL in this one.  I'm looking for more range than I get with the 
fox-d units.  Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at 
more than 10 miles.


And talk about a pita to aim!  Anyone using trango or moto with the 
idiotic dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give 
us a unit with a built in 2' panel!


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH


We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and
would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available.
Please keep me updated as this progresses.  Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:

We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz

channels on

H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,

Works

very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.

We

just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only

they

would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
] Alvarion VL TRUTH


I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

Got some other wonders...






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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT
require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like
number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your
access to multipack purchases.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
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Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural
markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE
and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net
capacity as the regular AU. At anytime one can upgrade an AUS to a full
AU, at which time it will support also the 54 Mbps CPEs and whatever
quantity of CPE the sector and your service model supports (we have some
customers with over 200 CPE on such an AU).

The program also has a few other modest benefits which can be explained
one

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Matt
 hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
 capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
 even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
 only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
 talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
 desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation

Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had.  Why should the
AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block.
Its RF polution.  Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free
protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design.

Matt



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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Motorola...BURNED

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT
require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like
number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your
access to multipack purchases.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural
markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE
and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net
capacity

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
Ever notice the Software image is smaller on the AES than the DES also

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

 hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
 capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
 even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
 only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
 talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
 desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation

Those are a couple things I really wish Canopy had.  Why should the
AP/AU transmit at full power to talk to an SM just down the block.
Its RF polution.  Also, why charge extra for AES when its a free
protocol and its less CPU intensive then DES by design.

Matt




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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
I almost forgot...WISPs who join the program BEFORE January 1, 2008 and
sign at at least the 25 unit per quarter level (any commitment 25-49 per
quarter) will get a price for the 5.8 GHz CPE of $299 which is $100
cheaper than the post Jan 1 price of $399 for 10-24.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT
require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like
number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your
access to multipack purchases.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per CPE

2007-11-13 Thread Patrick Leary
Last thing (thanks for the reminder C) and those that want full details
can ask offline for the pdf on the program.

Patrick Leary
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH...forgot another $100 less per
CPE

I almost forgot...WISPs who join the program BEFORE January 1, 2008 and
sign at at least the 25 unit per quarter level (any commitment 25-49 per
quarter) will get a price for the 5.8 GHz CPE of $299 which is $100
cheaper than the post Jan 1 price of $399 for 10-24.

Patrick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

...by the way, I should also mention that joining the program does NOT
require WISPs to share any of their proprietary business data, like
number of acquired subscribers, etc. It also does not restrict your
access to multipack purchases.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Smith, Rick
I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was 
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be 
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. 

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay
for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the
entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you and the billing happens at that point.

So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part of
the program and are purchased normally through your selected
AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two types of
AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with
your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 Mbps
(ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and the
discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with your
VAR.

The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more rural
markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE
and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net
capacity as the regular AU. At anytime one can upgrade an AUS to a full
AU, at which time it will support also the 54 Mbps CPEs and whatever
quantity of CPE the sector and your service model supports (we have some
customers with over 200 CPE on such an AU

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full  
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,  
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your  
supplier and enter it into the SU.



We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first  
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with  
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much  
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our  
normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with  
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to  
upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.


We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the  
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload  
was what was important to the customer.



Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:

I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion  
fan,


until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out  
the


pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some  
level

of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units  
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that  
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated  
unit

with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES  
and

even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice.

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any  
quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6  
Mbps

full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
$250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54  
Mbps
CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum  
would be
$824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to  
pay

for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
pay for it.

Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative  
(the

entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional
discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels.

I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each
quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date
pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped
directly to you

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Yes, it would have.   Doing it this way will also help us avoid the  
extra packets per second through that edge router.   The company we  
set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will  
probably saturate their connection during peak times.   The VLAN  
solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP  
skills ;)


Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder,  it  
just avoids the extra delay and load for us.


Ryan


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your
supplier and enter it into the SU.


We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our
normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to
upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload
was what was important to the customer.


Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:


I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out
the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing  
for

the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some
level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low.  
The

lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated
unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit  
to

capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES
and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU  
and

supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice.

The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
into the program.

Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any
quantity.
An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6
Mbps
full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a  
fixed

$250. In order to understand

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Belton
Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full  
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,  
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your  
supplier and enter it into the SU.


We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first  
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with  
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much  
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our  
normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with  
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to  
upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the  
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload  
was what was important to the customer.


Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:

 I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion  
 fan,

 until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out  
 the

 pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
 very curious about...

 Thanks Patrick.

 One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
 and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
 upgraded, right ?

 R


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

 I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
 wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for
 the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

 The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
 AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some  
 level
 of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The
 lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units  
 can
 be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that  
 level
 the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated  
 unit
 with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
 cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
 included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
 hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to
 capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES  
 and
 even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
 only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
 talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
 desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
 MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
 before.

 While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
 breaks trip per the following levels:

 Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
 signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
 - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
 - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
 moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
 - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and
 supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395)

 These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one
 signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple,
 etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice.

 The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP
 into the program.

 Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity
 upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any  
 quantity.
 An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6  
 Mbps
 full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade
 that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed
 $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54  
 Mbps
 CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum  
 would be
 $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to  
 pay
 for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to
 pay for it.

 Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price
 reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative  
 (the
 entire set

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Belton
Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load?  Just curious as we
recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us.  The session doesn't
appear to establish any different than local sessions.

We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our network to
the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Yes, it would have.   Doing it this way will also help us avoid the  
extra packets per second through that edge router.   The company we  
set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will  
probably saturate their connection during peak times.   The VLAN  
solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP  
skills ;)

Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder,  it  
just avoids the extra delay and load for us.

Ryan


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

 Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

 Best,


 Brad


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 On
 Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

 You are correct.

 We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full
 speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,
 the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your
 supplier and enter it into the SU.


 We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first
 customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with
 BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much
 more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our
 normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with
 our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need to
 upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

 We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the
 first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload
 was what was important to the customer.


 Ryan

 On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:

 I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
 fan,

 until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out
 the

 pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was
 very curious about...

 Thanks Patrick.

 One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
 and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
 upgraded, right ?

 R


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

 I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
 wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing  
 for
 the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

 The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
 AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some
 level
 of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low.  
 The
 lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units
 can
 be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that
 level
 the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated
 unit
 with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
 cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
 included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
 hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit  
 to
 capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES
 and
 even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
 only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
 talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
 desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
 MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list
 before.

 While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
 breaks trip per the following levels:

 Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
 signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
 - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
 - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
 moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
 - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU  
 and
 supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-13 Thread Ryan Langseth
Sorry, I meant load and delay on that edge router ... not due to multi- 
hop.  I should of read through that last email.


Ryan
On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote:

Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load?  Just  
curious as we
recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us.  The session  
doesn't

appear to establish any different than local sessions.

We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our  
network to

the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up.

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On

Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Yes, it would have.   Doing it this way will also help us avoid the
extra packets per second through that edge router.   The company we
set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will
probably saturate their connection during peak times.   The VLAN
solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP
skills ;)

Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder,  it
just avoids the extra delay and load for us.

Ryan


On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation?

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

You are correct.

We bought all all  three meg units.   These can be upgraded to full
speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit,
the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your
supplier and enter it into the SU.


We have been quite happy with our VL install,  one of our first
customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with
BGP peering with us,  without the VL the setup would have been much
more complicated.  We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass  
our

normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with
our core router.  It made it much simpler,  and eliminated the need  
to

upgrade our edge router to handle full routes.

We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the
first upgrade is to 6/4 meg  rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload
was what was important to the customer.


Ryan

On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote:


I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion
fan,

until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out
the

pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I  
was

very curious about...

Thanks Patrick.

One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units,
and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be
upgraded, right ?

R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I
wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing
for
the BreezeACCESS VL product line.

The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the
AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some
level
of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low.
The
lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units
can
be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that
level
the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated
unit
with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE
cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the
included antenna is already high gain. These units also include
hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit
to
capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES
and
even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion
only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU
talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the
desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation
MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this  
list

before.

While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price
breaks trip per the following levels:

Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349
Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325
Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299
Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275

Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a
signing incentive bonus of your choice of either:
- 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value)
- One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a
moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300)
- One free WLP VoIP optimization software

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Mike Cowan

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:

We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wirelessconnections.net




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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Patrick Leary
No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz
channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,
Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.
We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only
they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wirelessconnections.net





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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Larry A Weidig
Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz
channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,
Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.
We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only
they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wirelessconnections.net





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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Larry A Weidig
We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and
would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available.
Please keep me updated as this progresses.  Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz
channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,
Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.
We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only
they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wirelessconnections.net





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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Larry A Weidig
Sorry, meant that to be offlist.  I apologize for that.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and
would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available.
Please keep me updated as this progresses.  Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz
channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,
Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.
We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only
they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax

Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer

I'll know in a few months

I have a site with Trango now.  I'm going to move it to a different local 
and put VL in this one.  I'm looking for more range than I get with the 
fox-d units.  Even with the dish 500 antennas I don't get full speeds at 
more than 10 miles.


And talk about a pita to aim!  Anyone using trango or moto with the idiotic 
dishes should be complaining loudly till those manufacturers give us a unit 
with a built in 2' panel!


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Larry A Weidig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH


We have a number of new tower sites going up at the moment and
would definitely consider this instead of the Trango if available.
Please keep me updated as this progresses.  Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

No formal news yet Larry re time frames, except that it is coming and it
will be based on the VL platform. In other words, whatever VL can do, it
will do though it will use a smaller channel of course. So throughput
and VoIP performance should be quite good. The NLOS performance should
be exceptional due to the optimized OFDM and the low frequency.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 8:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

Mike/Patrick:
Any further details about this product which could be made
available to the list?  Thanks!

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Cowan
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

900 VL is coming

It will be an outstanding product.  I already placed a huge inventory
order.

Mike



At 08:06 PM 11/10/2007, you wrote:

We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz

channels on

H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also,

Works

very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy.

We

just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only

they

would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


Mike Cowan
Wireless Connections
A Division of ACC
166 Milan Ave
Norwalk, OH  44857
419-660-6100
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-11 Thread Drew Lentz
I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in 
Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico 
border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked 
magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb 
SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 
and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear 
performed perfectly as anticipated.


I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with 
their ALV deployment.


-drew


Smith, Rick wrote:

I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-11 Thread dougr
Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single
client unit, like T1 replacement)?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in
 Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico
 border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked
 magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb
 SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2
 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear
 performed perfectly as anticipated.
 
 I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with
 their ALV deployment.
 
 -drew
 
 
 Smith, Rick wrote:
 I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

 I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

 If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
 forth.

 I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
 all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
 backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-11 Thread Drew Lentz
We were using it to connect entire RV sites together with multiple VoIP 
users on it at once. With its over the air packet prioritization, we 
noticed a definite increase in call quality as well as call volume 
(number of calls, not how loud they are;))


-d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single
client unit, like T1 replacement)?

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in
Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico
border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked
magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb
SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2
and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear
performed perfectly as anticipated.

I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with
their ALV deployment.

-drew


Smith, Rick wrote:


I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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[WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-10 Thread Smith, Rick

I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-10 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm looking at the same.  I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what 
he has to say.



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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM
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I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-10 Thread Joe Miller
Rick,

Although I didn't buy the VL radios, I deployed them for Northop Grumman ship 
systems here in MS. We were using Cisco 1310's before that. The Cisco's were 
good, but didn't help when the gantry cranes were moving around. After 
installing the Alvarion radios, cranes were no longer an issue. Now we are 
deploying more in another shipyard in New Orleans. The OFDM works better than I 
thought it would especially in an area with ALOT of metal that is on the move 
all the time.

Just my 2 cents.

DSLbyAir

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I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
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I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
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RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

2007-11-10 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
We have some VL in the air, real noisy area. We had to run 10Mhz channels on
H-POL, so we see 11-12Mbps net TCP throughput. We run VOIP on it also, Works
very well. I think we paid somewhere around 4000 per AU, and 399 per
SU-A-5.8-6-BD-VL hardware Rev E. I honestly like it better than Canopy. We
just install it and forget it. This stuff just plain works. Now if only they
would make VL in 2.4Ghz and 900Mhz.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH

I'm looking at the same.  I have an email in to Patrick, so we'll see what 
he has to say.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH



I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment.

I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc.

If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and
forth.

I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be
all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the
backbone / heavy customer equipment.

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