Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Where does the processed goods get the material from? China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the China products which means you do too. It's a global economy, not a national. On 10/9/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Yes. What he said -Jeff Ehman -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China, Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price, making our job harder. It will help US manufacturers, but we probably don't use many of them. A weaker dollar could help make us more self sufficient, but it's really the hard way to go about that change. It's already happening with photo equipment. New lenses have gone up in price; new stuff gets more expensive, even though technology says it should get less expensive. It also effects the used equipment pricing as well (upward), so that's not such an easy out if you prefer to buy used. As far as power, it will make us more of a pawn than we are when it comes to oil and gas prices. Export will be more lucrative than domestic use because of the weaker dollar, hurting our supply situation. The oil companies are all multinational corporations with no specific national loyalties. You know what supply situation problems do for fuel prices. Get your chinese made solar panels now while you still can and make an effort to be energy independent. On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:25:57AM -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter?br br Travisbr Microservbr br RickG wrote: blockquote cite=mid:b8f604200910082134t218e122fuad6fa3c1f52b7...@mail.gmail.com type=cite pre wrap=put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com;lt;o...@odessaoffice.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. nbsp;I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:coelh...@gmail.com;lt;coelh...@gmail.comgt;/a To: WISPA General List a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:wireless@wispa.org;lt;wireless@wispa.orggt;/a Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. nbsp;We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. nbsp;So the cycle goes: 1. nbsp;Build out X number of Towers. 2. nbsp;Market X number of Areas. 3. nbsp;Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. nbsp;They will go like the dot-coms. nbsp;Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. nbsp;Good employees are very hard to find. nbsp;For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. nbsp;You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com;lt;rgunder...@gmail.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:ple...@apertonet.com;lt;ple...@apertonet.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary mailto:ple...@apertonet.com ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I like what you said, the magic bad word: INFLATION I see the government is already planning more stimulus to hold that off longer - which we (should) know will only make it worse when it gets here. So what do we do with our dollars? As much as I don't like debt, there is a good argument that if you are well-leveraged with a good fixed interest rate, you're in better shape than those who have cash in the bank. Given all the market interference, I don't know that the rules all apply this time around. I have every intention of fixing this problem. Anyone care to nominate me for the Nobel prize in economics? ;) Randy Jeff Ehman wrote: Yes. What he said -Jeff Ehman -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price. Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on wheat (maybe to 1.5 bushels for a yuan) and still come out ahead. We Americans with our weak dollar then end up paying more (at the new global price) for wheat. Likewise, if our coal can be shipped overseas for a better price than what the producers can get on the American market, the global price of coal then goes up, and we end up paying more for electricity. Suddenly we become an exporter again, our trade deficit starts to move the opposite direction from what it has in recent years. Some problems get better, others get worse. The free market is an amazing thing. If we quit messing with it artificially through stimulus and over-regulation, things normalize quite a bit quicker than we might expect. Randy On 10/9/2009 7:25 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelhocoelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickGrgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Learyple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
It doesn't matter where it comes from. If I can use a $5 bill to buy two loaves of bread at Walmart, who cares what it will buy in China? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Where does the processed goods get the material from? China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the China products which means you do too. It's a global economy, not a national. On 10/9/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the world. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.commailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
of the small business job-growth engine. It's possible global bond vigilantes will call Washington's bluff, reducing their bond purchases until we stop devaluing and restart job growth, which is the ultimate source of tax revenues to repay our bond debt. This would create a Volcker moment when the U.S. might tighten even as the economy slowed (as then Fed Chairman Paul Volcker did back in 1979). But the accepted outlook is the almost-as-gloomy new norm. If all goes according to current plans, the dollar devalues slowly and bond buyers come back for more even as national debt heads toward $15 trillion. World living standards grow faster than ours, as does global wealth. The Fed chases inflation as the dollar sinks, but not so fast as to stop the recovery. More capital moves abroad, leaving U.S. unemployment too high too long. A better approach would start with President Barack Obama rejecting the Bush administration's weak-dollar policy. This would invite capital and jobs to come back before interest rates have to rise. Mr. Malpass is president of Encima Global LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the world. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Payroll won't cost me a dime more... I decide that. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too e
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I am not seeing that in this area... at all. Milk is $1.89 per gallon. A year ago milk was $2.90 a gallon. Gas is now $2.45 per gallon. A year ago gas was $3.25 a gallon. Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
You disagree with us, that's fine. Let's stop wasting time arguing about it as neither side will change their opinion. What other barriers to WISP growth are there? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I am not seeing that in this area... at all. Milk is $1.89 per gallon. A year ago milk was $2.90 a gallon. Gas is now $2.45 per gallon. A year ago gas was $3.25 a gallon. Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase... Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a double digit %. In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask anyone from South America, Asia or Africa, about currency devaluation and it's affects. If the spending like a banshee continues, without much to show for it... Then be ready for a'currency devaluation' aka falling dollar.. Simply put, the buying power of the US dollar declines.thus what you paid 50 cents for will now be a $1. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications
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I'm trying hard to stay out of it but It's just a sign of getting old, guys. I remember when gas was 32 cents. etc. The purchasing power of a dollar has decreased since essentially day one. For example, today's one dollar was worth $7.25 in 1960. 1950 is was worth $8.94, 1940 it was $15.35 It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com mailto:ple...@apertonet.com wrote
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That's kind of an irrelevant comparison. As Travis says, if we produce $10 trillion in GDP, it's still $10 trillion in GDP whether you also measure it in kopecks or euros or whatever. Just doesn't matter at that level. Where it does matter is, a cheaper dollar makes our exports more competitive and imports into the US less competitive. Generally that leads to higher inflation to a minor extent (it isn't more because of China's peg to the dollar), but also shifts more production to local companies...leading to greater employment. And how much do we need to buy from Europe that China can't make for us anyway? Remember, China pegs it's currency to ours to within a very narrow band. In any case, the stronger competitiveness is why, when they don't have freely floating currencies, countries around the world devalue their currencies by fiat when they are having economic problems. It's also why countries that have very strong fundamentals like to peg their currency to the dollar. It artificially strengthens their competitive position. Basically, a weakening dollar means we buy less from Europe and they buy more from us. Even oil is denominated in dollars so that doesn't change directly in cost with a weakening of the dollar. If you want to visit europe, it's a bitch, but other than that, it's not such a big deal. Our Federal policy has long been to have a strong dollar, but that's at least partly as an implicit support for developing nations, not just support for our own. Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the world. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.commailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder
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On Oct 9, 2009, at 9:39 AM, jp wrote: If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China, Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price, That isn't really true since the biggest of those is China and they peg to the dollar in a very narrow band. There is a small effect because it's a band (but a tightly restricted band) and because China has to buy commodities to manufacture. If the commodities are priced in dollars though, it's not a big effect. Since oil is bought the world over in dollars, it does not mean we export more of our own oil either. It's the same dollar whether it's used in Uruguay, Israel, or the US. We export in some cases because it is cheaper to do so, regardless of the dollar's value vis-a-vis other currencies. Chuck making our job harder. It will help US manufacturers, but we probably don't use many of them. A weaker dollar could help make us more self sufficient, but it's really the hard way to go about that change. It's already happening with photo equipment. New lenses have gone up in price; new stuff gets more expensive, even though technology says it should get less expensive. It also effects the used equipment pricing as well (upward), so that's not such an easy out if you prefer to buy used. As far as power, it will make us more of a pawn than we are when it comes to oil and gas prices. Export will be more lucrative than domestic use because of the weaker dollar, hurting our supply situation. The oil companies are all multinational corporations with no specific national loyalties. You know what supply situation problems do for fuel prices. Get your chinese made solar panels now while you still can and make an effort to be energy independent. On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:25:57AM -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content- Type /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter?br br Travisbr Microservbr br RickG wrote: blockquote cite =mid:b8f604200910082134t218e122fuad6fa3c1f52b7...@mail.gmail.com type=cite pre wrap=put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer a class=moz- txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com;lt;o...@odessaoffice.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. nbsp;I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:coelh...@gmail.com lt;coelh...@gmail.comgt;/a To: WISPA General List a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:wireless@wispa.org lt;wireless@wispa.orggt;/a Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. nbsp;We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. nbsp;So the cycle goes: 1. nbsp;Build out X number of Towers. 2. nbsp;Market X number of Areas. 3. nbsp;Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. nbsp;They will go like the dot-coms. nbsp;Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. nbsp;Good employees are very hard to find. nbsp;For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. nbsp;You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG a class=moz-txt-link- rfc2396E href=mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com;lt;rgunder...@gmail.comgt;/a wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit
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On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto: rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows who will set the standard. We have an artificial advantage with the dollar, and if that goes away, we don't have as much fudge room. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work
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Yep, very true. How come we never use the Chat list for these discussions? ;-) Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows who will set the standard. We have an artificial advantage with the dollar, and if that goes away, we don't have as much fudge room. Randy Chuck Bartosch wrote: On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote: It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are people out there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up. It's the nature of free enterprise. There have been times when the dollar's value has gone up, not down. By policy on a national level we don't ever want to see the 1930's again though. The dollar's value creeps down from inflation because in general we want inflation...just not very much of it. If the dollar's value is rising, then spending money today instead of tomorrow means you lose value. That has the effect of dampening economic growth in those rare times when people are acting rationally (though perhaps rare, it does act like a general force). With some mild inflation, you're better off to some extent spending money now, compared to putting it in a mattress at least. Anyway, deflation is often described as a bigger threat to us, if it were to occur again, than inflation. The struggle with inflation isn't to eliminate it but to keep it predictable and relatively low-but not zero. Chuck Let's just admit we're old. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth 5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship. Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll. If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it goes up to $2.10. So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me. Travis Microserv Jeff Ehman wrote: Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to individual consumers. It creates inflation. -Jeff Ehman From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.commailto:coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company
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Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary mailto:ple...@apertonet.com ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise
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Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe
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They should price it based on the Hungarian Pengo. I'd be happy with that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:27 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Ya it's hard to believe a $40k yearly salary in this country is a $20k yearly salary in Euro's. Sad times. We'll have stories to tell when we're old :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:32 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth They should price it based on the Hungarian Pengo. I'd be happy with that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:27 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth Brian, Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by the news. Then we're boned. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.comwrote: Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in prices because our dollar is worth less. While it would be nice to say the heck with the rest of the world who cares what the dollar is worth, it can't be done because we are not a self sufficient country anymore. Americans don't want to work at jobs they consider menial tasks so the foreign workers have taken on those tasks. We are forced to buy imported products. If our dollar is weak against the currency of the nations) we buy the products from we all feel the increase (and that includes the costs of WISP equipment, just to stay on topic). It never ceases to amaze me how the masses want wage increases because of the cost of living. They also want higher paying jobs, yet they still go and buy cheap product from Wal-Mart and others who really push for cheap labor overseas. As a country you can't have it both ways, high paying jobs and cheap products it's going to get a lot worse before the bulk of Americans figure this out and reverse the trend. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat. Now, if I go to say, Spain, YIKES! It's where you live, not where you don't live. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is worth less to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my power bill, why does it matter? Travis Microserv RickG wrote: put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer mailto:o...@odessaoffice.com o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Behold, the new $3 Dollar bill! * *http://tinyurl.com/ygpqwhr* *Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Mullen wi...@metrocom.ca wrote: I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
That brings up an interesting factor. China is completely stuck with us as long as the dollar is cheap. They bought them when the dollar was dear (over time of course, and with a sliding range of values) but if they even started to unload now, not only would they take a huge hit compared to what they comparatively paid, they would also drive down the dollar's value even further making it even more difficult for them to unload. In other words, at a whim they could screw us royally...but they'd have to screw themselves to do it. Definitely an interesting problem. And they don't have a short term fix to this issue. As much as they talk about an alternative currency, they can't afford to have that happen when the dollar is down. And they are more-or-less forced to keep loaning to the US government for the same basic reason, until they decide to bite the bullet anyway. So, the sky isn't falling. Yet. Chuck On Oct 9, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Daniel Mullen wrote: I just cannot keep quiet on this any more. Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a basket of currencies. Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to have them. So far, so good. The folks in the Middle East buy German cars, use European adult personal entertainment, and go shopping - either in the sparkling new massive shopping mall in town, or again, somewhere in Europe - and the dollars get converted eventually into Euros. I used to get 80¢ to the Euro. Now it is $1.46. You can do the math on that. As long as China continues to be the 'sister nation' to the United States of America, keeping its currency fairly closely pegged to the U.S. Dollar, then everything will be fine. All the Asian countries will do their best to work on U.S. Dollar terms so as to stay competitive vis-a-vis China. But China is now sitting on TWO TRILLION - that is 2,000,000,000,000 - U.S. Dollars, and wondering what to do. If they wanted to take over the world today, instead of merely the entire Asia-Pacific region and Africa, they could simply cut the line and then let the U.S.A. dangle in the wind. As it is, China is going around the world buying everything you can imagine: years worth of factory equipment from Germany, minerals in Africa, oil and gas everywhere, iron ore from Brazil, uranium from Australia, and on and on. You should see the pictures: gigantic barges being loaded with enormous open spools of copper, a good ten feet in diameter, to be stockpiled in China, and more ore than you could possibly fathom. And now they are buying gold: gold and more gold, and the government is telling its citizens to also buy gold. Simply put, they are turning the greenbacks into hard assets. None of this will bother you, because all your gear is made from parts which are priced in U.S. Dollars, and China is keeping a good lid on things - until they stop. When the Sheiks - or Mr. Chavez - decides they want some pretty thing from Europe, and see how small their wallets are, the price of oil - yes, in U.S. Dollars - will go to the moon. The fact that oil is priced in dollars really means nothing. It is the value that the producer gets for the specific volume sold that matters, and as long as the rest of the world is getting more expensive by comparison, the more dollars the sellers will want to ensure they can keep on buying those things, regardless of what the dollar buys for you in your own backyard. By the way, milk is cheap everywhere now - in Belgium the farmers started to spray it on their fields rather than sell it, just to make demonstrate how low it has gone. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
put some money in the bank The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a luxury. Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
Au, Ag RickG wrote: "put some money in the bank" The question is: which currency? With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the bank? I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its gonna be worthless soon. Any other ideas guys? -RickG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Yeah, what he said! I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank over the next 3 or 4 years. I want to be ready to pick those companies up. marlon - Original Message - From: "Marco Coelho" coelh...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth Patrick, Not being one for gov money We have excellent credit. We have that because we only expand at a rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs. So the cycle goes: 1. Build out X number of Towers. 2. Market X number of Areas. 3. Install Customers to X*Y until well funded. Repeat. I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to go under in the long run. They will go like the dot-coms. Build build Build Ah shit no revenue! That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company. That is the only way you can control quality. Good employees are very hard to find. For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are worth talking to seriously. You're lucky to find 1 that is worth hiring. Always a ray of sunshine! Marco Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here. #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are available but I will not take on too much debt at one time. #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion versus daily operations. Notes- Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury". Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply. Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive. -RickG On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why? Some possibilities: Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or otherwise gone? Is it competition? If so, how specifically. Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits (e.g. health insurance)? Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application? Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus application that would include your market? Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to deliver what you need to compete? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
