Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-02 Thread 3-dB Networks
3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Correction, under the 3

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-02 Thread Eric Rogers
: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system (although from what I understand its being deployed overseas now in Muni-Wifi situations... I just proposed to someone using Ubquity Nanostations

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-02 Thread Josh Luthman
, November 02, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system (although from what I understand its being deployed overseas now in Muni-Wifi

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-02 Thread Bob Moldashel
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-02 Thread Mike Hammett
' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ruckus Wireless has beamforming (i.e. smart antenna technology)... does it on a packet by packet basis. But it's a WiFi system (although from what I understand its being deployed overseas now in Muni-Wifi situations... I just

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
with 1 watt radios and 19dB panels make a mess of your networks. (and mine) marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 30 dB EIRP

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces -75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't it stand for effective isotropic radiated power? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive antenna is on the other end? I get your point, to have a sufficiently strong signal at the distant receiver you could lower

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Scott Carullo
, 2009 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Sounds like a case for using 3.65 for your BH links. Good engineering around channel assignment and width and polarity would give you a lot of combinations. -Original Message- From: wireless

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Jack Unger
y, October 31, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 30 dB EIRP with a 44 DBi antenna on each side over 73 miles produces -75 signal. I'll let him say what he did to make it work, but it's certainly possible. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't it stand for effective isotropic radiated power? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive antenna is on the other end? I get your

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
- Original Message - From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't it stand for effective isotropic radiated power? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive antenna

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
power could be lower than 42 watts.) laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions EIRP is a TRANSMIT number. Equivalent isotropic RADIATED power

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Travis Johnson
From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't it stand for "effective isotropic radiated power"? Isn't your EIRP the same no matter what receive anten

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread os10rules
. Reliability and performance always goes up. I can think of NO exceptions to that rule. marlon - Original Message - From: os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Doesn't

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions The exception to the rule would be Canopy. You can't muck up the airways if every single one of your AP's transmits and receives at the same

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread eje
myself where I'm forced to) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:11:57 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions There's a contradiction in terms if I ever saw one

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Gino Villarini
: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Which we know is true thanks to the antenna patterns that I picked apart a week or so ago that was so kindly provided by Canopy hang alongs. But any unit with a low gain antenna and high gain radio will do

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
mechanism the more I like the idea. As long as EVERYONE syncs the same anyway. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions The exception to the rule would be Canopy

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:18 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions You have to use what you

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Travis Johnson
: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions The exception to the rule would be Canopy. You can't muck up the airways if every single one of your AP's transmits and receives at the same time. So then power does make a difference because you can go through more

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-11-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:18 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions You have to use what you need It's

[WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Eric Rogers
Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently upgraded a tower because we were hitting 15M or so during peak times and was afraid it

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread can...@believewireless.net
We are seeing 60 Mbps HDX TCP with the Ubiquiti Rockets in 20MHz. One small problem is there appear to be some odd OSPF issues on some of our links. Still trying to figure them out though as they may not be Ubiquiti related. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread 3-dB Networks
: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul between each of our towers using NStreme and we have been extremely happy with the performance. We recently

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We currently have a Mikrotik backhaul

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Travis Johnson
73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: Travis is getting 28 megs on a really long backhaul - like 58 miles? You will not see 30. On 10/31/09, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok guys...Looking

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Travis Johnson
.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Bret Clark
Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total (14Mbps each direction) using a 20mhz channel. Travis

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread 3-dB Networks
Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok guys...Looking for both Mikrotik experience and others. We

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Man...what is the EIRP on these links that people are posting high bit rates? As someone else stated, gotta wonder if the FCC won't start getting suspicious at some point. Travis Johnson wrote: 73 miles... and I get 28Mbps total

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
Hammett Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Well, depending on what the radio was certified with, you could theoretically go 40 miles in 5.4 GHz. I'm not sure I'd put those antennas on a Rohn 25, though. :-p MT 20 MHz can go

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Eric Rogers
: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power down enough to stay in compliance. Jerry -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions 40 miles @ 5.4? How is that possible with a 30dB EIRP max limit? Sure you could use a 36dB dish but I can't see how you can turn the power

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
, October 31, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions Ok, so maybe 40 miles is out, seeing is how my links are only 12. I was looking at 5.4 solutions because my 3 mile hops have lots of 5.8 and I am running out of spectrum. Without frequency reuse via GPS

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Jerry Richardson
, October 31, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions A 44 dB antenna (yes, they make them). Some radios can be set to negative dB, so if a radio could be set as far as -14 and was certified with it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
...@aircloud.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions

2009-10-31 Thread Gino Villarini
: Re: [WISPA] Backhaul Questions OK I get it - make it up on the Rx side. So we need to find the elusive wooly-haired negative db DFS compliant radio. Who makes such an animal? Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike