RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP, arguably OT

2006-04-19 Thread Patrick Leary

As we all know, this can take the form of an almost religious debate,
which I'm going to try to avoid (and I'll ask Brad or others from Alvarion
to avoid the same). We here have a strong tendency toward passion as it
relates to this market, and to be sure, we feel a strong sense of pride in
the role our company has played in building this market. We also way too
often take it personally when our brand gets attacked or we get accused of
being anti-WISP when we know how much we have personally, from a heart and
soul perspective, invested in this market. Mark, know that I am DEFINITELY
NOT saying you are doing either of those things, your questions are fair and
should always be asked and each WISP has to find the mix of answers that
works best for him or her.

That said, our success as a company in the early WISP days has directly led
to the many and broad range of choices WISPs have today across many brands.
That's all good, even for us, since it denotes the existence of a robust,
worthwhile market.

What we can say with absolute certainty is that there are many WISPs that
have successfully scaled using our products, most having migrated from other
brands. Whether your definition of what constitutes mainstream is actually
mainstream is open to debate, since there exist lots of operators outside
the characteristics you cite. What you may be describing may be more
accurately defined as a typical, rural, entrepreneurial WISP. Within that
pool is where I believe can be found the preponderance of WISPs using
purpose built BWA versions of 802.11, ala SmartBridges, Microtek, Tranzeo,
etc. and specialty niche products Lonnie's Star-OS, Engenius CB-3s, etc.
Also within that grouping of WISPs can be found a few Alvarion guys (not as
many as we'd like, but we understand) such as Marty Dougherty's Roadstar in
Virginia and Steve Gowdy's Stonebridge in Minnesota, among others. Also, a
fair amount of Trango and Canopy folks (though I would argue that Canopy has
also lost share among this segment to the purpose-built and niche 802.11
products) are in this grouping. Examples of great guys we lost over time in
this pool of operators includes folks like Allen Marsalis and Eje Gustafson
(both who are also more focused today on selling products and services to
their peers). There are many others out there with mixed networks, with
their old Alvarion still chugging away. Then there are folks in that pool I
have never quite been able to reach, got close, and have huge respect for
them, but we have not yet succeeded in convincing them to try us, such as
Matt Larson. Scriv was in that pile until two weeks ago! :)

But outside that segment of the WISP market exist lots of other, well,
WISPs, only they might have spun off as a subsidiary of another firm, such
as Diode Broadband (from Diller tel in Nebraska), AMA*Techtel (from
Attenbury Grain in Texas), Wheatland Broadband (from Wheatland Electric in
Kansas), Clearwave (from Midwest Wireless, now Alltel in Minnesota), and
many, many others.

Why would any WISP choose us? It helps to have previous, experienced
exposure to wireless broadband before being able to understand our value.
From a sales and marketing standpoint, that's a pretty big cross we bear --
newbies to wireless will think anything they use, no matter how raw and
spare, is the best thing out there since they have no frame of reference. It
is like the villager who spent his early years driving and ox cart,
emigrates on day, and buys his first car...a used Yugo. A little quicky and
rickety for sure, but as far as he knows, it is the best darned car ever.
But in wireless, it is even harder to learn the distinctions because you
can't see the other cars driving around you, you only experience them as
interference. When it is an actual car, that immigrant with the Yugo can at
least see the other cars on the road, how well-built they appear, how little
they leak fluids, how quiet and fast they are, etc.

So it can be hard to appreciate the value of obscure, but operationally
effective (and cost saving) features like broadcast rate limiting, our very
advanced CIR/MIR, remote Ethernet port control and power up, batch
upgradeability with a shadow flash, and scads of other things I'm not smart
enough to understand. Someone like Marty could explain it better.

So, back to the Alvarion operator: 
- Often it is one who has matured over the years technically and
financially, since better access to capital is a natural result of a growing
and improving WISP operation. 
- Often, an Alvarion WISP will come from the more traditional telecom space,
so the values we offer are more obvious from the start. 
- Occasionally, a funded start-up WISP is drawn to us for ego reasons.
Sounds silly, but it is sometimes true, since we are viewed by the larger
BWA market as a best-of-breed, even if many within the entrepreneurial WISP
segment of the market might not agree. For a start up that favor a visible
profile, this might be the case (and I am not 

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP, arguably OT

2006-04-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 (Soon to change over to Buffalo)
The boss wants to know why I am using something that cost $195 each for a
CPE.


Cause it works.  All of the time.  Service calls are expensive.

Your solution is also (hopefully) an FCC certified solution.  As one grows
and/or sells that becomes much more important.


  Not knowing what the Industry is using I can't explain why I had
rather not go cheaper and that there are folks spending much more.


You may be able to go cheaper.  I just paid $250 for a *g* ap that's
cranking!  (compex, www.cpx.com)  Things are getting cheaper all of the
time.

One of the great things about using standards based gear is that we're never
locked into one solution.  A guy just has to be ware of that thing called a
habit.  I use what I use cause I'm used to it, not because it's the best
solution today :-).

That's why I always TRY other solutions.  A couple of times per year on
average I buy something I don't really think I want to use.  Often though, I
end up using them cause they are better and/or cheaper than what I had been
using.


Gads, I remember when I thought I was doing great Rolling my own for less
than $500.


roflol  I hear that!


Now they think they can get quality for $50.


Not yet.  It's going to get there but not yet.

Honestly, the most important thing for you guys to be doing right now is
supporting our efforts at WISPA.  We're working hard on getting access to
empty TV spectrum AND USF funding!!

Out here Century Tel gets over $100 per phone line in subsidies.  If I could
get that on my 300 wireless subs...


Besides I have looked at the hardware / firmware version compatibility
list and keeping it straight would drive me nutser than I am.


Why bother?  If it's wifi buy a unit or two and try it out.  If they work
use them, if not toss 'em.

If it's not wifi you just have to buy it all from the same source.



I really have mixed feelings about open source in this setting but maybe I
am wrong.


See the above list of priorities.


I don't see any problems with it in MDU setups but I am really set in my
ways.


We all get that way when we're old and crotchety!  ducking


Are my gut feeling all wrong here?
 I really value your opinion,


We've been over this ol' friend!  You and I are on different sides of the
isle.  I want everything simple and manufacturer built.  The kind of stuff
my wife could fix with a phone call or two to tech support.  I'm willing to
give up control and/or efficiency for it.

I can live without the control (it's hard for a technogeek but I do have
other things to worry about and I REALLY need the network to remain simple).

On the efficiency side, it's just too cheap to put in more capacity to worry
about system usage type stuff.  If something's overloaded I'll just put in a
new system, move a few over to that one and put all the new customers on it
too.
*

This is what I love about a good mailing list.  It attracts good people with 
good ideas.  It's a trade show seminar every day!  Sure wish I had more time 
to spend here.  Installs are picking up again and I'll soon be back to a 
couple of hours per day of emails and little or none of it on anyone's list. 
I have emails yet unread going back to 2004!   sigh


chowness,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP, arguably OT




As we all know, this can take the form of an almost religious debate,
which I'm going to try to avoid (and I'll ask Brad or others from Alvarion
to avoid the same). We here have a strong tendency toward passion as it
relates to this market, and to be sure, we feel a strong sense of pride in
the role our company has played in building this market. We also way too
often take it personally when our brand gets attacked or we get accused of
being anti-WISP when we know how much we have personally, from a heart and
soul perspective, invested in this market. Mark, know that I am DEFINITELY
NOT saying you are doing either of those things, your questions are fair 
and

should always be asked and each WISP has to find the mix of answers that
works best for him or her.

That said, our success as a company in the early WISP days has directly 
led
to the many and broad range of choices WISPs have today across many 
brands.

That's all good, even for us, since it denotes the existence of a robust,
worthwhile market.

What we can say with absolute certainty is that there are many WISPs that
have successfully scaled using our products, most having migrated from 
other
brands. Whether your