Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Gino Villarini
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:51 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Tom, I believe there is a huge advantage to being able

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Dennis Burgess
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:52 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ever wondered why tcp troughput is so low vs udp on this mimo units? Cross pol interference ... that's why Try to run 2 mikrotik mimo

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Chuck Hogg
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:51 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Tom, I believe there is a huge advantage to being

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Gino Villarini
AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I'm not running 2 MIMO, but we are running 1 R5N MIMO and 1 XR5 link pointing from/to the same location. I'm able to keep them from interfering, and would only guess that we could keep 2 MIMO's from interfering. There's enough 5Ghz

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Sorry dude, I love Ubiquity, but 100 subs on a atheros system on a chip at 12/6

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2009 8:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I'm going to call BS here... (1) You don't really have a noisy environment if you are able to run a basic Powerstation AP with 100 subs and have it work at all. We are on towers on hilltops that have over 120 antennas (dishes

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquiti claims 150 megs of TCP/IP throughput, which is possible if you add upload and download as is common in the unlicensed world. I couldn't tell from any documentation whether

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Dave Rumore
: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP There's 250 MHz available in mid 5 GHz. It can easily do 10 miles on a PtP. With bigger dishes, it can obviously go farther. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rubens Kuhl rube

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Jerry Richardson
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I know. 2' dishes will do 10 miles. 3' does 15 miles. 4' does 20 miles. 6' does 30 miles. All within 30 dB EIRP. Obviously radio\antenna certification limits

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:29 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP How is the size of the dish going to help

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Tom Sharples
Might help reduce off-angle noise. Other than that, not much. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP How is the size of the dish

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread jp
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP There is an FCC EIRP maximum of 30 dB in 5.4 GHz that will limit the range of any radio legally operating in this band. - Original Message - From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-19 Thread Jerry Richardson
: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP You decrease the radio output. Any good radio can do negative dB. 24 dB radio + 6 dBi omni = 30 dB EIRP 2 dB radio + 28 dBi 2' antenna = 30 dB EIRP -7 dB radio + 37 dBi 6' antenna = 30 dB EIRP It's still only 30 dB you say? Well, the receive antenna is 9 dB more

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Matt
Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Nope. In the forums they say they have no plans for the existing and announced products. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse?

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Randy Cosby
No GPS sync, and TDMA is done in software, not hardware / fpga: http://www.ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13327start=30 Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Robert West
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Randy Cosby
, August 18, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Robert West
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:00 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Hendry
Low cost, dual pol and high gain. 19db 120' sector @ 5GHz ;) Interesting design too. -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 19 August 2009 00:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Jayson Baker
Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Gino Villarini
Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Jayson Baker
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Jayson Baker
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Michael Baird
...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
ther noise sources From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Gino Villarini Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr rati

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
here might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Paul Hendry" paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: "wireless" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
may become cost justified. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Scottie Arnett
. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Scott Carullo
until now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Sorry dude, I love Ubiquity, but 100 subs

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Scott Carullo
t...@ida.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Scott Carullo
Tom, I believe there is a huge advantage to being able to use HPOL and VPOL at the same time with the same 20Mhz channel and get twice the bandwidth. Its sort of like your personal gps sync within the device. Realistically (for me anyway) I find that if there is strong noise on a give

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Travis Johnson
ve you had a chance to test some MT MIMO gear out there yet? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:27 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sub

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Chuck Hogg
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Hey Travis, your feedback is always valued. Thanks for sharing your testing with us. I look forward to hearing about it... Have you had a chance to test

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Jones
Chuck Hogg wrote: ... I'm not trying to bash Jayson's email. I don't see how you can get 130Mbit when the port is 100Mbit. The way Ubiquiti justified this in a forum post was that the 130Mbps is total throughput (up and down). 100Mbps ethernet at full duplex is 100Mbps in each direction.

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-18 Thread jp
I concur with Scott's idea that you get more efficient spectrum use. We have just installed a Solectek excel link which uses 2x2 mimo. We have a dual polarity 3' dish at one and and 2' dual polarity at the other end of the 14 mile link. We upgraded an Alvarion VL ptp link which maxed out at

[WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Matt
Any idea when the Bullet M5 HP will be available? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Michael Baird
It's available now, they are supposed to make an announcement today about the complete M line. NanoM/NanoLocoM/RocketM and such, those are all Mimo/N/TDMA. Regards Michael Baird Any idea when the Bullet M5 HP will be available? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Matt
It's available now, they are supposed to make an announcement today about the complete M line. NanoM/NanoLocoM/RocketM and such, those are all Mimo/N/TDMA. Where can I order a couple? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP It's available now, they are supposed to make an announcement today about the complete M line. NanoM/NanoLocoM/RocketM and such, those are all Mimo/N/TDMA. Where can I order a couple? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread jp
I'll let it be out a couple months to let some bugs get worked out of a new product with a new operating system. Still, I'd be tempted to get a pair to play with. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:22:29AM -0500, Matt wrote: Any idea when the Bullet M5 HP will be available? Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Michael Baird
Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Regards Michael Baird I'll let it be out a couple months to let some bugs get worked out of a new product with a new operating system. Still, I'd be tempted to get a pair to play with. On Mon,

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Regards Michael Baird I'll let it be out a couple months to let some bugs get worked out of a new product with a new operating system. Still, I'd

Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP

2009-08-17 Thread RickG
What I want is the home wireless router like the AP-1000 they advertise but you cant find. -RickG On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Regards Michael Baird I'll let