Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US
I do not think Peters argument was that the data should be shared. I think he is against that as much as anyone. BUT what needs to happen is that someone needs to check and verify the data that is collected. The FCC does no review of what is submitted. A ILEC could have on DSL line in a zip code and therefore claim that broadband is available for the entire area. This is the kind of thing that needs to be checked and verified. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US The government cannot request data with a note saying it is confidential and then turn around and say it is not. That is not going to fly. If my data is shared with others then I will file suit against the FCC myself. Peter, how can you possibly support the idea that it is ok for confidential data to be gathered and then shared because the ILECs want it shared? The FCC is not withholding this information to be annoying or secretive. They are doing so because confidentiality was assured when the data was gathered. If this data is shared then Mark Koskenmaki and others were right in saying we should not fill out those forms. For now I will do it because it is a requirement according to the governing law of the land. If this bites me then I will be the first to tell you I was wrong in supporting the Form 477 process. For now the data is still not being shared and the form process is still a matter of law, like it or not. Scriv Peter R. wrote: That actually may be the head of the nail. Maybe not everyone DID fill it out honorably -- and hence the data is seriously flawed... Data that the FCC uses regularly to deregulate. Data that the FCC and the gov't uses regularly to grant so much to the ILECs. Someone needs to verify the raw data. - Peter Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree with that. Confidentiality was promised to the form fillers. If that confidentiality is breached, ISPs would never honestly fill them out again, after being betrayed. The FCC is holding firm, as they know, its the only way to keep getting accurate data, and standing behind its word is protects the integrity of the FCC. I do not believe that the FCC GOA has any benefit to fudge their findings. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US You know that if they don't want to give up the raw data that they have fudged the heck out of it! It has been suggested by many folks, including Peter Huber, that it might be time to put the FCC out to pasture. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US
I can agree that over-sight is in order. I think the General Accounting Office actually did this. Didn't the report get sent out here a while back? I know Tom De Reggi and some of the rest of the WISPA board were involved in helping fine tune this report. What became of that one guys? Thanks, Scriv Jory Privett wrote: I do not think Peters argument was that the data should be shared. I think he is against that as much as anyone. BUT what needs to happen is that someone needs to check and verify the data that is collected. The FCC does no review of what is submitted. A ILEC could have on DSL line in a zip code and therefore claim that broadband is available for the entire area. This is the kind of thing that needs to be checked and verified. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US The government cannot request data with a note saying it is confidential and then turn around and say it is not. That is not going to fly. If my data is shared with others then I will file suit against the FCC myself. Peter, how can you possibly support the idea that it is ok for confidential data to be gathered and then shared because the ILECs want it shared? The FCC is not withholding this information to be annoying or secretive. They are doing so because confidentiality was assured when the data was gathered. If this data is shared then Mark Koskenmaki and others were right in saying we should not fill out those forms. For now I will do it because it is a requirement according to the governing law of the land. If this bites me then I will be the first to tell you I was wrong in supporting the Form 477 process. For now the data is still not being shared and the form process is still a matter of law, like it or not. Scriv Peter R. wrote: That actually may be the head of the nail. Maybe not everyone DID fill it out honorably -- and hence the data is seriously flawed... Data that the FCC uses regularly to deregulate. Data that the FCC and the gov't uses regularly to grant so much to the ILECs. Someone needs to verify the raw data. - Peter Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree with that. Confidentiality was promised to the form fillers. If that confidentiality is breached, ISPs would never honestly fill them out again, after being betrayed. The FCC is holding firm, as they know, its the only way to keep getting accurate data, and standing behind its word is protects the integrity of the FCC. I do not believe that the FCC GOA has any benefit to fudge their findings. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetition in the US You know that if they don't want to give up the raw data that they have fudged the heck out of it! It has been suggested by many folks, including Peter Huber, that it might be time to put the FCC out to pasture. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPI suing FCC to get at real state of broadbandcompetitionin the US
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:52:37 -0600, Jory Privett wrote I do not think Peters argument was that the data should be shared. I think he is against that as much as anyone. BUT what needs to happen is that someone needs to check and verify the data that is collected. The FCC does no review of what is submitted. A ILEC could have on DSL line in a zip code and therefore claim that broadband is available for the entire area. This is the kind of thing that needs to be checked and verified. Jory Privett WCCS Why? What is so sacred about broadband that the federal government has to come in like a bull in a china shop and start just banging around willy- nilly? Think about this: We use this single dsl line in a zip code argument, and then what one of us would lease a tower site, put up equipment and backhauls, install ONE customer and then refuse to serve anyone else there, and do this in every town for 100 miles in every direction? What kind of crazy nonsense is that? The only time that makes sense, is when it pays to do it, that's why. So why and how would someone profit from doing it. Answer that question, and you'll answer why there are broadband problems in the US (if there really is any) and it won't require a single confidentiality breach, or anything else. Remember, this argument is about the SUCCESS of a set of policies, and that people want to change them. Frankly, I think the spread of broadband coverage is going to go about the same speed no matter if the governemnt gets deeply involved or not. About the best it can do proactively is nothing. The best it can do at all, is GET OUT OF THE WAY. If that means letting some spectrum loose, that would help. If it meant telling the federal land managers (USFS, BLM, etd) to stop demanding a half million dollar EIS to build a tower for a WIFI backhaul, and other such nonsense, that's getting out of the way, too. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
