Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-07 Thread Austin Wright
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. However, it should be noted there is a difference between a large wisp and a roll

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-07 Thread Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Austin Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds That is a great point Tom, I definitely agree

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-06 Thread 3-dB Networks
: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the wise people that do statistics can't even come to a true conclusion how many wisps and other unlicensed

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-06 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the wise people that do statistics can't even

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-06 Thread Travis Johnson
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Sorry but this comment makes me laugh that you can throw out a number like this when the "wise" people that do statistics can't even come to a true conclusion how many wisps and other unlicensed operators there are out there. To state the

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-06 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not deny that. But I still feel there is no basis to your statement, or statistics that back up your original statement taht Canopy dominates the large provider market. What about Tower

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
on that statement (so I apologize!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds the really big WISP's all

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Mike Hammett
List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I don't question the value of Leasing for a second. I just think that it is to hard to get Leasing. WISPs should not be considered any more HIGH risk than any other business. In today's economy WISPs are doing better than many other

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use Canopy.. But that comment is in no way true. I can name just as many large companies that deploy, Trango

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use Canopy.. But that comment is in no way

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
doing to (well at least about half of the time!). Daniel White 3-dB Networks _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hey buddy I'm out here

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hey buddy I'm out here in NoWhere, Idaho and we have over 5,000 wireless subs and I am proud to say NO CANOPY radios. :) And, just to give you an idea that we do know what we

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
TED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some la

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Yes, we have over 5,000 wireless subs and no Canopy radios on our entire network. :) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Do you have 5,000 wireless subs Travis? :-) And I'm not saying you don't know what your doing. or even

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Matt
From 1 to 1000 subs we were deploying Lucent 900mhz Wavelan cards in PC's and running LMR-400 to an external antenna (1997). We then switched to 2.4ghz Lucent using 3Com bridges with PCMCIA cards and still running LMR-400. We were charging $500 for install. We had cable and DSL for

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We have 80+ tower sites. We have Trango deployed on all of them (5.8ghz, 2.4ghz and 900mhz mixed) and Mikrotik deployed on about 65 of them. So we still install Trango, but also install Mikrotik. Yes, you do have to be very careful to not self interfere and to coordinate everything,

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Yes, we have over 5,000 wireless subs and no Canopy radios on our entire network. :) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Do you have 5,000 wireless subs Travis? :-) And I'm not saying you don't know what your doing. or even a WISP

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Comments inline... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds JAB? They probably have 50,000 subs by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: Tom

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
, December 05, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hi, We currently have 28 people: 3 owners (that handle management issues, employee hiring, accounting, tower work, network design, server management, etc.) 6 wireless installers 1 wireless dispatcher (signal checks, CPE

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds That's probably slightly aggressive Chuck... but at the scale they are at your not that far off... Its even a more interesting picture if you look at the WISP's they bought... Three

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
] Client Speeds Comments inline... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Digis was 100% Canopy. I think they had about 15,000 at the time of the purchase. We have 5000+ all Canopy. Mot has more than 50% of the US market. So the other 50% is made up of Trango, Tranzeo, MT etc etc etc

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Units sold. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Mot has more than 50% of the US market Is that based on amount of gear sold, or amount of gear

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. However, it should be noted there is a difference between a large wisp and a roll up. Sure if a Roll up just aquired a lot of WISPs, they are going to be a Large company of one product

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I also think, recognizing the past accurately, is not the same thing as predicting the future. The future holds some very exciting possibilities. The value proposition of Canopy 430 series last mile combined with Trango Apex distribution and NLOS TVWS

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Mike Hammett
, December 05, 2008 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. However, it should be noted there is a difference between a large wisp and a roll up. Sure if a Roll up just aquired

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Judging by their web site, JAB has no more than 6 customers. Yes, that's a jab (pun intended) at their web site. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
by now. Canopy shop. - Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Again... Canopy is a very popular platform, I do not den

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
9:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Not entirely... that's not a true statement. One of the WISP's they purchased had a great deal of Trango installed. Granted, they may be replacing it as they go, but I know for a fact they are not 100% Canopy. Travis Microserv

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
- From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hi, We currently have 28 people: 3 owners (that handle management issues, employee hiring, accounting, tower work, network design, server management

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread Travis Johnson
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds OK, we'll give you JAB, as one of the largest WISPs that uses Canopy. However, it should be noted there is a difference

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread 3-dB Networks
, 2008 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds At ISPCon, JAB said they had 50,000 subs so does that mean only 50% is Canopy? ;) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: That's why I pointed out that three of the companies they rolled up were large Canopy WISP's

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-05 Thread eje
2008 19:25:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Digis was 100% Canopy. I think they had about 15,000 at the time of the purchase. We have 5000+ all Canopy. Mot has more than 50% of the US market. So the other 50% is made up of Trango, Tranzeo, MT etc

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Steve Barnes
with that one. Steve From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee covers your

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Steve Barnes
: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I've only used 5 GHz MT, but I don't have a problem with someone pulling 20+ megs... now I don't have that much upstream, but the network can do it. I'm assuming that you are using cards in B mode if you

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread eje
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:57:41 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I am on B only. We have very noisy 2.4 and I have been told adding G to the AP and CPE just increases the noise. Is that Wrong? What will G do to my Distance customers

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread 3-dB Networks
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread eje
] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:10:43 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds XR5's are Prism for my APs R52's are Atheros for my CPEs I have not heard of any chipset differences in performance - anyone else have this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds XR5's are Prism for my APs R52's are Atheros for my CPEs I have not heard of any chipset differences in performance - anyone else have

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Travis Johnson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee covers your cost on every

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds XR5's are not prism chipset they are atheros chipsets as well. 6th gen Atheros to be more exact. All Ubiquiti products are Atheros base as well so are all MikroTiks radio cards

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Charles Wu (CTI)
, you're done -Charles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 4:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, 3-dB Networks wrote: I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our company we are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom attributes part of our success by leasing equipment early on as a WISP. He wrote an article here about leasing that might change

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread RickG
, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Travis Johnson
ce you get 1000 subscribers things will be a bit better. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread RickG
- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Travis Johnson
s@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Littl

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Steve, I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Tom DeReggi
DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hi, Yes, you still have to pay

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-04 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hi, Yes, you still have to pay for it... but instead of being upside down with the customer for the first 3-6 months (depending on equipment), you begin making money on that customer from day 1. So you no longer

[WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Steve Barnes
I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
, 2008 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 subscribers things will be a bit better. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Travis Johnson
rs things will be a bit better. - Original Message - From: "Steve Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Mike Hammett
8:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little

Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds

2008-12-03 Thread Josh Luthman
-- From: Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss