Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-22 Thread Clint Ricker
Sorry for the late reply on this; sometimes life takes presedence :) Doug, you definitely hit a number of things on the head, there. There is a _definite_ need for some much more...shall we say, mature network platforms in the wireless industry, and then for that equipment to be available at af

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-18 Thread George Rogato
For Last Mile- FreeSpace Optics can be had now up to 1/2 mile for as low as $5K. GB manufacturers are going to realize soon, the day of the huge profit margin will be a thing of the past. The competition is here on all fronts. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless B

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
on all fronts. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Copper Pla

RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-17 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Not even close. The telco's aren't stupid enough to pay billions of dollars ($23 billion expected total cost for

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-17 Thread Clint Ricker
Not even close. The telco's aren't stupid enough to pay billions of dollars ($23 billion expected total cost for Verizon's FTTH project) simply to close off line sharing requirements. Total revenue for "other providers of local service" nationwide (not just Verizon territory) was a total of $22

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-16 Thread John J. Thomas
These guys have the right idea... http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ John >-Original Message- >From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:39 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant > >And this

RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread D. Ryan Spott
--Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Hammett
mmett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant *NODS* I see fiber to business and industrial

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant And this is why I planning a fiber roll out in my town. I can see the spectrum - bandwidth limitations of a pure wireless

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread George Rogato
ntelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Isn't the reason the

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Hammett
BINGO! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copp

Re: Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Mike Hammett
V-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Peter R.
correct George Rogato wrote: Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread George Rogato
Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighbor

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Peter R.
The AT&T (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can & replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thiev

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Steve Stroh
Clint: No, not really, as AT&T is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: AT&T is betting on copper

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Clint Ricker
AT&T is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint On 6/15/07, Peter R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler I

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Jack Unger
trina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 *-Original Message- *From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On *Behalf Of Steve Stroh *Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:55 AM *To: WISPA General List *Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper

Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Tim Kerns
riginal Message - From: "Steve Stroh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're i

RE: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Mac Dearman
318.303.4182 *-Original Message- *From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On *Behalf Of Steve Stroh *Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:55 AM *To: WISPA General List *Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant * *Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the *radios, *

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Steve Stroh
Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios, which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on the corner of the house". Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAI

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread George Rogato
I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas

Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread John Scrivner
I am guessing this prediction has been made by most anyone I know who has been around for a while. I guess when someone "important" says it though then it is news. I remember many years ago when Steve Stroh told us that the phone companies as we know them and their copper plants were going to d

[WISPA] Copper Plant

2007-06-15 Thread Peter R.
Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider AT&T Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. "By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so