Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-29 Thread sales
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-29 Thread George Rogato
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 6:15:24 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-29 Thread Mike Hammett
General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth With this in mind what is the best financing option for fiber deployments? Our current leasing providers are not interested because of it being fiber? So what is a viable finance option for your own fiber deployments? John

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-23 Thread John Thomas
Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread John Scrivner
Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so you should be able to

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Charles Wu
of $50 / Mb -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Charles, I would love to live in the world you

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Charles Wu
I guess I still forget that not everyone is on 95th percentile billing -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Scott Carullo
Message From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread George Rogato
commitment or investment - bandwidth included. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Blake Bowers
: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth It's true that it is a big expense and it's not an easy task. But, we just got a franchise agreement from our city for fiber. The way they calculate it is either on a per foot basis, or a percentage of revenues across the fiber. Naturally we did the percentage

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Travis Johnson
"WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an "exit ramp on your information super-highway" if you b

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Scottie Arnett
22, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth It's true that it is a big expense and it's not an easy task. But, we just got a franchise agreement from our city for fiber. The way they calculate it is either on a per foot basis, or a percentage of revenues across the fiber

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I was just quoted .23 per foot for 64 strands. Figure 8 type construction. Dry, loose tube. ryan -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth What

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread John Scrivner
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city, what type would you want to use? Around here, the electric

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett
-- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Again -- it depends where you are and who you have to deal with. within the first 20 miles or so of our city

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Blake Bowers
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city, what type would you

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands. Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but obviously the costs to put in fiber have dropped considerably over the last few years

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Aerial only costs like $5k - $7k/mile. It also has a lower amount of incidents per mile. You have to pay the city for within 20 miles of the city? That sounds like a bunch of horse... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Someone once asked me what was in their area, so I looked. There were I'm recalling at least 4 major international carriers right in their town must have been a landing station. It pays to know what's in your area. ;-) - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands. Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth It doesn't matter how many are in town, if none of them will give you access. The fact is... Nobody will sell you access to their Fiber near cost to deploy it, when it will only allow you to compete against their own retail services. They will only give you

[WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major consideration in the business plan as this is a big MRC. Don't wait for someone to bring you cheap

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Josh Luthman
Between towers we have AN50s. They were at least $6,000 when they were put up - I'm sure it took months for that ROI but the worst part is the upkeep. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
of the towers between the two networks). We'll get there eventually. marlon - Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 6:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you that are paying

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own backhaul to cheaper bandwidth (wireless, dark fiber, etc.)? It seems to me that this would be a major

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Scott Carullo
Have to pay for tower space and colo charges and possibly cross connect fees and after that your router and bandwidth come from another city That coupled with the most important ingredient of your business now with less reliability than local fiber and more jitter and latency Scott Carullo

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Charles Wu
worth of time, research, negotiations, etc it took to get this project done -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cost

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett
-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread J. Vogel
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth Those of you

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread J. Vogel
Charles, I would love to live in the world you describe here. :) Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at least twice

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread George Rogato
Agreed we have a tad more than a 1000 wireless subs and we hit our cap nightly @ 30megs. And I try like hell to avoid the power users. J. Vogel wrote: Charles, I would love to live in the world you describe here. :) Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
Co$t! 35 miles as a crow flys to the nearest fiber facility. Worse yet, only one major provider there and they are expensive. -RickG On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.netwrote: Those of you that are paying $50/Mbps, what is keeping you from building your own

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread rghering
In my neck of the woods there is no dark fiber for rent, and I'm 185 miles from the nearest fiber facility. We have to backhaul a DS3 nearly 50 miles, then cross connect it into Qwest land from CenturyTel land into the qwest ATM cloud. THEN I have a fat UBR pipe to a Tier 2. I have no other

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread George Rogato
What you need Rick, is one of these bad boys: http://www.directionaldrills.com/imageview.php?product=251 Then all you have to do is drill your way past the incumbant. (this is supposed to be humorous) RickG wrote: Co$t! 35 miles as a crow flys to the nearest fiber facility. Worse yet, only

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Because it's 200+ miles away and crosses state lines. It would be at least 10 hops. Tower space is roughly $250/month around here so that's $2,500 per month just for the towers... then you have maintenance, equipment cost ($100k) and it would only save me about $1,000 per month. Travis

Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-21 Thread RickG
LOL! I'd like to use it on their CO :) On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:04 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: What you need Rick, is one of these bad boys: http://www.directionaldrills.com/imageview.php?product=251 Then all you have to do is drill your way past the incumbant. (this is