Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On 2 June 2010 19:45, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote: You running BIND Marlon? Rk. --- another proud member of the 15 Year Club, and then some if you count Wildcat! You can only count Wildcat if it was multinode. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 08:31 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: You can only count Wildcat if it was multinode. So I guess I'm WELL over 15 years, then. I ran a 10 line RA board from '88-'92. Well, it was 10 lines when I shut down in '92. I tried WildCat, but never really liked it. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Was running Wildcat from '90-'92! Those were fun days! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 08:31 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: You can only count Wildcat if it was multinode. So I guess I'm WELL over 15 years, then. I ran a 10 line RA board from '88-'92. Well, it was 10 lines when I shut down in '92. I tried WildCat, but never really liked it. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 hm... I hosted a lot of those Mustang Software BBS systems back in the day. Bakersfield, I think was where the company was located. I was one of the biggest BBS hosting facilities in the Los Angeles area at the time, as many folks didn't actually have the resources, but wanted to have their own BBSes. Personally, I never really cared much for Wildcat, or TBBS. Ah, I recall w/fond memories... In one guest on VirtualBox, I'm actually running an old Yggdrasil GNU/Linux installation LOL. A few months ago I fired up my two favs in virtual machines: UltraBBS (written by a guy named Craig in Colorado as I recall), and Searchlight - - which support[s/ed] RIP protocol at the console - unlike Wildcat, which you had to log into one of the nodes to actually see the RIP. Being a collector (and hoarder) of old software, like IBM TopView, LOL, this is how I've built my current BBS network, which I fire up in VirtualBox Guests every few weeks or so for kicks, it's not actually production of course, but it is functional and could be - keeps me sharp! And then the BBS software I'm running for the nodes consist of UltraBBS (a great, fast, and very stable ANSI BBS system), and Searchlight. Had a bit of an issue w/Searchlight at first, coz I had to do a bit of scouring of the net to find an old copy of Telegraphix's RIPterm - the one thing I didn't actually keep a copy of. A lot of fun really. The systems run on DR DOS, with Artisoft Lantastic's AILANBIO running - no SERVER.EXE's though (All you need is NetBIOS) - all that is handled by DesqviewX, which provides the TCP/IP and X-Windows for the multiple nodes and networking across what the virtual machines see as separate machines. It wasn't theoretically possible to do this back then in the 386 days (Artisoft said it couldn't be done) - everyone ran Desqview (Not DesqviewX) to provide as many nodes on a single machine as possible, and Netware for most serious BBSes, but we were able to smash through the ceiling of what DOS based software could handle by adopting and integrating X into our networks. But we were already powering many of the smaller car rental agencies around LAX with this networking technology, even those with several remote offices. Novell was really the only other game in town if you didn't want UNIX. It also provided some of the earliest actual ISP operations we were involved in by using DesqviewX and BBS Doors to provide direct access to UNIX hosts (an old VAX machine, but mostly SCO Xenix and JOlIX until I created Linboard Linux), and some pretty clever Tcl/Tk and Perl for a primitive GUI. In fact, later on, I fired up and am still maintaining and old Gopher server of mine, which runs on IIS 2 - the last version that still supported the gopher protocol (Yes, there was an IIS 1.0, which I was certified on as an instructor, but it never went to market - Microsoft released IIS 2.0 instead). But alas, in one of the only MAJOR incorrect predictions I've ever made, we banked on souping up the GUI (At the time based on RIP and our custom Tcl/Tk/Perl) instead of seeing the light of that HTML stuff ;) You can't always be right :) On another note, there's been a BBS system which I fire up once in a while on Linux boxes that has been pretty much maintained and modernized over the years - prolly the only serious production platform still available http://www.synchro.net/ Digitalman (Rob Swindell) has done an excellent job of maintaining it, and there are a few hundred live nodes around the world running on the Synchromesh network. I fire that up every now and then, but as is prolly obvious, I don't have much practical use for it, although there has been somewhat of a (nostalgic?) resurgence in this software. What I haven't done, it set up D'Bridge or gotten involved in any FIDOnet tossing since there's no network anymore (At least I don't think there is), But it's kinda kewl when you have all your licensed software and can still manage to get that rickety stuff running again LOL. Heck. I've got a collection of old IBM 5150 machines, a System 36, some various Hot-Rodded XTs, and a couple of 3270 ATs - including refurbished MFM and RLL formatted HDDs and old SCSI towers taking up space in my offline museum (One of my sea containers). got piles of old NDIS and NE2000 NICs (Even 8bit ISA NICs, which are impossible to find now), and modems from 300BAUD acoustic couplers all the way up the scale. Someday I'll make a killing on eBay (yeah right). On 6/3/2010 9:31 AM, RickG wrote: Was running Wildcat from '90-'92! Those were fun days! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 08:31 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: You can only count Wildcat if it was multinode. So I guess I'm WELL over 15 years, then. I ran a 10 line RA board from '88-'92. Well, it was 10 lines when I shut down in '92. I tried WildCat, but
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Are your guys for hire? How much? marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hi Mike, pls see comments w/some suggestions for options you might try below... On 6/1/2010 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I have setup Unbound with DNSSEC. Oddly enough, both NameBench and DNS Benchmark report my Windows DNS server as faster than Unbound, while Unbound is faster than my previous BIND setup. DNS Benchmark consistently rates my local servers faster than anything else on the Internet, while NameBench reported most of its public servers as faster than mine. Ideas as to why? I didn't check to see if there were any overlaps in the public DNS servers they used. Too many IPs to compare. On 5/26/2010 11:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Try La MaraDNS. I use it Authoritatively for rootservers, TLD Servers, SLD Servers, and stub resolvers too and have been pretty happy with it. As of the last time I checked however, Sam doesn't plan to integrate DNSCurve into it anytime soon though. Too many folks over at cr.yp.to berating him for not having done so already, so he has purposefully stalled on that. http://www.maradns.org/ If all your looking for is a recursive resolver, then it might be beneficial for you to check out Deadwood (YMMV): http://www.maradns.org/deadwood I'm pretty leary of using BIND, and IMO, if you do you should (must) always compile from source and run in a jail - or you'll be sorry (Yes you will). i.e., http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058173/posts and search for 'mara' on the page. Anyone who installs BIND from an rpm is either a student in a lab... or a fool. There has always seemed to be a continuous and endless stream of BIND exploits just waiting to surface in the 0day world. Exploits that can find you 0wn3d. Such exploits are just typical of Vixieware - and although he and I haven't spoken in years and prolly never will again, it isn't really his fault, that monolithic nameserver just keeps growing and growing, to the point where even a good third of the ICANN rootservers out there aren't even running BIND. The same trend for software bugs can be seen, for example in Eric's Sendmail too - it's monolithic, and it only gets bigger, even though I like Sendmail a lot (and Exim and Postfix). That's just the vagaries of running monolithic daemons, and not to speak ill of the applications simply for that particular reason. Don't get me wrong. I still run BIND here and there and I do like it (Prolly coz I've been running it since it existed), and would even run BIND on a wyndoze box before I would even consider MS's DNS server (That's just plain WRONG). If you're a wise soul, then you're almost certainly not running an RPM based distro of Linux anyway for your purpose built, mission critical machinery, and if you're wise enough to be running Slackware Linux then I can provide you with Slackware Packages or SlackBuilds to install La MaraDNS for any version of Slackware from 10.0 through -current. Lemme know if you're interested in any of those packages. wrt DJB, his TinyDNS is, all pain-in-the-arse issues aside, really good stuff if your so inclined to apply all the patches necessary to plug the holes, and check out dnscache for a recursive server - but beware of some of the obvious issues before you do (i.e., the akamai exploits and other problems with resolution - for cache poisoning exploits see http://your.org/djbdns/). His community of supporters are very zealous and have a lot of kewl contribs for DJBDNS to their credit - so you won't be alone in support, although they are rather quick to flame over there. If all you're looking for is strictly an Authoritative Server, then note that some of the ICANN rootservers are running NSD. It is good stuff and it is small too - but no recursion. I don't have any direct experience running Unbound or PowerDNS, so you'll have to look elsewhere for firsthand expertise on those. Besides, it's simple enough to generate BIND or any other kind of zonefile from SQL databases and Perl scripts. I can't stress to you enough that if you are going to run BIND that you MUST tweak and compile it yourself - and run it chroot'd. Period. I know other people here will say they've never had a problem with BIND vulnerabilities, but you're running an ISP and many of those people prolly never even knew when they were actually rooted. 0day w/BIND is like the day before duck season opens for the Romanian script kiddies - it's not if, but how many hundreds of instances of named have been compromised by each these little cr4ck3r bois. I can remember rolling back to BIND 4 and reporting specific BIND 8 versions via chaos to keep them off of our backs (works too for a few
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
You running BIND Marlon? Rk. --- another proud member of the 15 Year Club, and then some if you count Wildcat! On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:04, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Are your guys for hire? How much? marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I don't know for sure Rick. I'm NOT the server guy. I hire help for that kind of work. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache You running BIND Marlon? Rk. --- another proud member of the 15 Year Club, and then some if you count Wildcat! On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:04, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Are your guys for hire? How much? marlon - Original Message - From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 16:53 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't know for sure Rick. I'm NOT the server guy. I hire help for that kind of work. Yes, you are. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I have setup Unbound with DNSSEC. Oddly enough, both NameBench and DNS Benchmark report my Windows DNS server as faster than Unbound, while Unbound is faster than my previous BIND setup. DNS Benchmark consistently rates my local servers faster than anything else on the Internet, while NameBench reported most of its public servers as faster than mine. Ideas as to why? I didn't check to see if there were any overlaps in the public DNS servers they used. Too many IPs to compare. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/26/2010 11:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I use tinydns for my resolvers, much faster then bind for resolution. Regards Michael Baird Depends what you mean by ready? For being able to answer DNSSEC queries, i'm all good to go. As far signing domains with it, i have yet to venture down that path. On 5/28/2010 8:59 PM, Jon Auer wrote: So, speaking of cache tuning, Who is ready for DNSSEC? On May 28, 2010 11:44 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configurin... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I run my own dns resolution for customers right on my own network.My AP's that have an x86 based cpu run dns for the customers. I have approximately 140 customers using one 5 radio AP for DNS resolution, and it has yet to break a sweat.Yes, I've noticed it generates a bit of small packet traffic across the backhauls to my provider, but nothing significant in terms of total traffic. That CPU is a GEODE LX, 500 mhz. Is there some kind of benchmark I can use to find out how fast or slow things are? Because from my customer's perspective, DNS resolution seems darn fast, anytime of day or night. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I'm ready for normal queries as well. Have not bothered with signing domains yet. Seems like a big mess. On May 28, 2010 11:12 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote: Depends what you mean by ready? For being able to answer DNSSEC queries, i'm all good to go. As far signing domains with it, i have yet to venture down that path. On 5/28/2010 8:59 PM, Jon Auer wrote: So, speaking of cache tuning, Who is ready for DNSSEC? ... WISPA Wants You... Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! ... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
FWIW This is a bind system first query with no local cache: ;; Query time: 104 msec ;; SERVER: 64.202.224.2#53(64.202.224.2) ;; WHEN: Fri May 28 09:55:51 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95 After first query the same server has the data in cache: ;; Query time: 0 msec ;; SERVER: 64.202.224.2#53(64.202.224.2) ;; WHEN: Fri May 28 09:56:16 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95 Here's the response from a secondary server that went to the primary to get the answer before going to the root servers: ;; Query time: 18 msec ;; SERVER: 64.202.224.2#53(64.202.224.2) ;; WHEN: Fri May 28 09:58:04 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95 104ms seems a little high for a query that is out of house. But I haven't honestly been tweaking that in a while. Marco Coelho Argon Technologies WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Marlon, try simpledns from www.jhsoft.com tony I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configuring them to run as fast as possible from the customer's perspective? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
So, speaking of cache tuning, Who is ready for DNSSEC? On May 28, 2010 11:44 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configurin... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Depends what you mean by ready? For being able to answer DNSSEC queries, i'm all good to go. As far signing domains with it, i have yet to venture down that path. On 5/28/2010 8:59 PM, Jon Auer wrote: So, speaking of cache tuning, Who is ready for DNSSEC? On May 28, 2010 11:44 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: DNS tuning is pretty straightforward. One of my guy¹s is awesome at it. If you are running BIND there are quite a bit of things you can do. We are running bind in some VM¹s and they are still quite fast. The trick is do it as close to the customer as you can (duh! You say). Djbdns is tuneable to be fast as well. Most of the slowdown of DNS involves config issues. Once those are fixed you can re-compile and tune. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 09:33:44 -0700 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache I'm also looking for something better here. We have our own dns servers. Who's good at configurin... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chris Gotstein Sr Network Engineer UP Logon/Computer Connection UP 500 N Stephenson Ave Iron Mountain, MI 49801 Phone: 906-774-4847 Fax: 906-774-0335 ch...@uplogon.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Centos + Unbound is what I'm using at one location. -Kevin On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says something about their connection. On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :) Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
You are THE ONE! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :) Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/DNSTester.aspx Greg On May 26, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :) Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8 ;; Query time: 309 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43 dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8 ;; Query time: 7 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43 Pretty rediculous. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says something about their connection. On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I can beat that :) dig afmug.com ;; Query time: 3 msec ;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10) ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95 That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD. Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8 ;; Query time: 309 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43 dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8 ;; Query time: 7 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43 Pretty rediculous. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says something about their connection. On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Not necessarilly. There are two points for bottle necks. One is the time it takes to respond to an inquirey from your end user, for cached content. That can be related to distance to the end user, processsing power/load. The second is time to resolve DNS info and populate your cache, when a cache hit is not successful by end user. This can be effected by distance to authorative cache servers, the size of the cache, the odds of common DNS queries by all end users, and and processing load on all servers involved, including congestion on remote authorative DNS servers. The principle behind Internet born public DNS servers is that the chances of a cache hit will be higher, because the odds the site has preveiously been looked up is higher with more users using it. Gaining a cache hit drastically increases performance, beyond that of new lookups or any bandwidth latency or transfer rate limits injected in to the equation. The second is simply hassle of managing your own. The third is potential for better diversity. My point here is that managed public sservers can in many cases give better performance. More so, if provider optimizes their hardware selection/solution, and if servers are hosted nearby such as in same data center your transit terminates at. We host our own servers for one reason, but it is not performance. IF we ever have a transit outage or dispute, we do NOT want our end user's DNS disrupted. It creates way to many service calls and accelerates the time period in which subscribers notice a problem. (For example, Email loosing password, after pop server does not resolve) Its also relevent to point out using a lcoal server for primary and a public server for secondary is not always ideal. The reason is that not all services query primary DNS1 first. Some applications may do a round robin approach, alternating which DNS it checks. My point is secondary DNS may not just be relevent for diversity/redundancy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/26/2010 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/DNSTester.aspx Greg On May 26, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :) Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Another unbound user! high five!
But... I can beat that :)
Querying Unbound on Solaris 10/Sparc, across cisco sup720 router.
(0.700ms pings to DNS server)
;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 209.242.224.245#53(209.242.224.245)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 13:50:31 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
I can beat that :)
dig afmug.com
;; Query time: 3 msec
;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95
That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD.
Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms
dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 309 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43
dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 7 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43
Pretty rediculous.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says
something about their connection.
On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
Travis
Microserv
Jerry Richardson wrote:
I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:
I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open
DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
8.8.4.4, I think).
If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
For what its worth, Google namebench ( http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ ) showed that our caching DNS servers were faster than Google's public ones or OpenDNS. Guess our users keep the cache warm. I'd encourage everyone to run namebench and tune up their DNS servers or select the fastest ones. What works for us at the moment is 3 boxes running Unbound on Solaris 10 behind IOS SLB load balancer. Both our DNS IPs live on the load balance and it does round robin across all servers. Next iteration will get rid of IOS SLB in favor of pairs of servers at different locations anycasting the DNS IPs. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Not necessarilly. There are two points for bottle necks. One is the time it takes to respond to an inquirey from your end user, for cached content. That can be related to distance to the end user, processsing power/load. The second is time to resolve DNS info and populate your cache, when a cache hit is not successful by end user. This can be effected by distance to authorative cache servers, the size of the cache, the odds of common DNS queries by all end users, and and processing load on all servers involved, including congestion on remote authorative DNS servers. The principle behind Internet born public DNS servers is that the chances of a cache hit will be higher, because the odds the site has preveiously been looked up is higher with more users using it. Gaining a cache hit drastically increases performance, beyond that of new lookups or any bandwidth latency or transfer rate limits injected in to the equation. The second is simply hassle of managing your own. The third is potential for better diversity. My point here is that managed public sservers can in many cases give better performance. More so, if provider optimizes their hardware selection/solution, and if servers are hosted nearby such as in same data center your transit terminates at. We host our own servers for one reason, but it is not performance. IF we ever have a transit outage or dispute, we do NOT want our end user's DNS disrupted. It creates way to many service calls and accelerates the time period in which subscribers notice a problem. (For example, Email loosing password, after pop server does not resolve) Its also relevent to point out using a lcoal server for primary and a public server for secondary is not always ideal. The reason is that not all services query primary DNS1 first. Some applications may do a round robin approach, alternating which DNS it checks. My point is secondary DNS may not just be relevent for diversity/redundancy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Dang, time to tweak!
Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 5/26/2010 1:53 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
Another unbound user! high five!
But... I can beat that :)
Querying Unbound on Solaris 10/Sparc, across cisco sup720 router.
(0.700ms pings to DNS server)
;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 209.242.224.245#53(209.242.224.245)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 13:50:31 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Chris Gotstein ch...@uplogon.com wrote:
I can beat that :)
dig afmug.com
;; Query time: 3 msec
;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 95
That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD.
Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms
dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 309 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43
dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 7 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 43
Pretty rediculous.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says
something about their connection.
On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
Travis
Microserv
Jerry Richardson wrote:
I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
wrote:
I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open
DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
8.8.4.4, I think).
If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
David Smith
MVN.net
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