RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking for a means. They're insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense, prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to provide them data in a specific form. And what form is that data

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:40:07 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking for a means. They're insisting that we build the tap into our network, at our expense, prior to a request ( whether we got any requests or not ), to

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Rick Smith
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking for a means. They're insisting that we build the tap into our

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: This is the FCC declaring that EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION BE PRE-TAPPED at the expense of industry. WHAT? You are not correct. This is the LEA asking for a means to collect data on suspected criminals

RE: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Jeff Broadwick
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Brenton
Include me in WISPA 445 Filing I Guess. I Mean we are not yet operational so there is nothing to monitor as of this date. So including us in may be the INCORRECT move at this time. it's RTWB, LLC dba Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband Dave Brenton General Manager Rural Tennessee Wireless

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Liotta
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Anthony Will
:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread RickG
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread RickG
OK folks - Most of you are in rural areas where you are the only choice for broadband. You need to advise your subscribers and your congressional representatives of the hardship this will cause. Perhaps if they lose votes, they will help. -RickG On 2/13/07, Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Russ Kreigh
) 827-2486 Fax:(260) 824-9624 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445 We

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Matt Liotta
: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445 We are just deploying a new IOS image that includes Cisco's SII architecture. Our only cost is time. -Matt Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Nash
-5599 fax - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:22:12 -0600, JohnnyO wrote I'm not a pessimist at all. I just know what federal

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dylan Oliver
Looks like these platforms are supported: 1-pre2 1-pre3 7200 7301 as5350 as5350xm as5400 as5400hpx as5400xm as5850-ersc as5850-rsc -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Question 1. If WISPA develops an industry standard which meets all the technical and legal requirements of the law, will law enforcement accept our data stream from whatever standard we develop? Question 2. Will your office allow us to have a system or process certified as being CALEA

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, John Scrivner wrote: Question 1. If WISPA develops an industry standard which meets all the technical and legal requirements of the law, will law enforcement accept our data stream from whatever standard we develop? In addition to this, how about adding the idea of

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
Mark said: So, you think the big guys aren't going to lobby for things that benefit them, while we have no voice or consideration because don't have billions to lobby with? We have people going to D.C. to meet with the FBI directly to help get this all worked out. How much more

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
it any time they want... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: Uhmm, Butch... No, they're not asking

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
: [WISPA] Form 445 On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. The most difficult thing about the CALEA compliance issue is that the format of the data has not, yet, been finalized

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Sam Tetherow
Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Form 445 If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Edward H. Winters
Butch, Here's a decient paper based on the european version of calea. http://www.aqsacomna.com/us/articles/LIIPWhitePaperv21.pdf Ed On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:33:55 -0600 (CST) Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO..for a WISPA built mediation box, you could simply put together a Linux server

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread JohnnyO
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Mark said: So, you think the big guys aren't going to lobby for things that benefit them, while we have no voice or consideration because

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread John Scrivner
: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. The most difficult thing about the CALEA compliance issue is that the format

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Dawn DiPietro
and should be asked on behalf of WISPA. JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Ideas about how to fill out the form if you don't know how you would comply yet? Does anyone know if this is a required field? Can you just put not sure yet? Are there industry

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Mark Nash
@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] Form 445 If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Please include me in the WISPA 445 filing Rabbit Meadows Technology, LLC On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread John Scrivner
Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Matt
Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed themselves

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread cw
No, thank you. I've already wasted most of the day completing the forms but our post office run for the day is already gone. So, I was wondering if our forms could be post marked Tuesday instead of Monday. - cw John Scrivner wrote: Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Bill Gaylord
John please include us, COLI Inc. Bill Gaylord COLI Inc John Scrivner wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Don Renner
@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Form 445 If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later filing now. Kris will be filing on behalf

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread chris cooper
Ok I paid up Please include us in CALEA filing Intelliwave, LLC Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave, LLC 740.592.0322 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
Just paid up... include RTPS Networks, Inc. d/b/a Near You Networks THANKS! AWESOME IDEA! R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 4:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Boy...if that's not a valuable service justifying my dues. - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Form 445 If you

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Eric Merkel
On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They are allowing later filing now. Kris will be

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Tim Kerns
John. Include CV-Access, Inc. Thanks, Tim Kerns - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Jeff Broadwick
] Form 445 Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who want to be included. No names will be included who have already

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread John Scrivner
Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every legal filing requirement. I consider that my attorney's job

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
Erik - are you a paid member of WISPA ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Merkel Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Eric Merkel
On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every legal filing

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
] Form 445 On 2/12/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris Twomey has told me he can do this and that it will meet the requirements for filing. It is not a terribly difficult thing to do but it is just easy to use an attorney for anything like this. I do not bother trying to meet every

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry organization to do something on my behalf, because I can't have the time to give a crap later when the

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
I predict the little guy will end up giving all his subs publics and passing the ball to their upstreams, and probably-most likely for a price. I find it hard to believe this is not going to be an option. We'll find out more Thursday when we meet at the Hoover Building in DC to talk to the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
Doom and Gloom eh Mark ? Damn man - the big pessimist (sp?) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wispa Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:04:37 -0800, George Rogato wrote I predict the little guy will end up giving all his subs publics and passing the ball to their upstreams, and probably-most likely for a price. I find it hard to believe this is not going to be an option. You actually think that the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:22:12 -0600, JohnnyO wrote I'm not a pessimist at all. I just know what federal regulation means. It means WE GO AWAY. Federal regulation is the DEATH of small business. I have no doubt the Telcos and Cablecos are no doubt celebrating big time. What they could not

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Mac Dearman
Of wispa Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm taking advantage of an industry

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the feds and ask them some questions, go for it. But the

CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
(is that the way it works ? Or do they still need to provide a subpoena...) ? Others I'm sure will come up.. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the feds and ask them some questions, go

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
, February 12, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 Ya know Mac, not funny, at the same time, funny. I think Mark's got a point, albeit dooms-day-ish. There's no fiscal or physical way small WISPs can comply with CALEA, and I want to know HOW SPECIFICALLY to do it, if you think it CAN be done

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Rick Smith
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Rick, I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI. It's up in the air yet, but it looks like calea compliance won't

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:49:52 -0500, Rick Smith wrote OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. How would you provide the hook in so the FBI could just listen in at any time (is that the way it works ? Or do they

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread JohnnyO
Rogato Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:55:19 -0600, Mac Dearman wrote It's going to be to easy Rick. If everyone will hold their horses and just trot for a short time they will get everything lined out. The ability to stream live data is already in place here and it's cheap. I don't know why it wouldn't be

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:44:20 -0800, George Rogato wrote wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center. Anyways if you want to bring your own tape recorder up to the

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Laura
My only question is if we do not know for sure exactly what we need to be compliant by 5/14/07 is it smart to sign on the dotted line saying we will be compliant? Am I missing something? Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA compliance into a profit center

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:03:27 -0600, Joe Laura wrote My only question is if we do not know for sure exactly what we need to be compliant by 5/14/07 is it smart to sign on the dotted line saying we will be compliant? Am I missing something? The part that gets me... You have to state that

Re: CALEA - HOW? RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Smith wrote: OK, Don't point me to some confusing URL I don't have time (or patience) to read about how to comply with CALEA. The most difficult thing about the CALEA compliance issue is that the format of the data has not, yet, been finalized. This makes it

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread George Rogato
. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Rick, I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI. It's up in the air yet, but it looks like calea compliance won't be that big of a deal. We'll know much more after the Thursday meetings our guys

Re: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Jason
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 11:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 wispa wrote: You actually think that the big guys will actually let that happen? Yeah, I can see it now, our upstreams turning CALEA

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: This is the FCC declaring that EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION BE PRE-TAPPED at the expense of industry. WHAT? You are not correct. This is the LEA asking for a means to collect data on suspected criminals. They will have to have a subpoena to gather the

RE: [WISPA] Form 445

2007-02-12 Thread wispa
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:40:41 -0600 (CST), Butch Evans wrote On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, wispa wrote: This is the FCC declaring that EVERY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION BE PRE-TAPPED at the expense of industry. WHAT? You are not correct. This is the LEA asking for a means to collect data on