Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Curious... we build wireless because we can't get fiber 'out there.' In fact, we're using wireless backhaul to feed FTTH. If you're needing wireless for last-mile, how are you getting fiber to the tower itself? Why not just fiber to the home? -Troy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual polarity equipment. More spectrum for customer access means more bits able to be moved. If I have a gig of wireless backhaul coming into a tower, that's a gig I could be using to make me money. I'd like to have 50 - 100 megabit plans for my broadband customers and gig+ level dedicated customers. I'm not using the cable or telcos, I'm using unique, usually redundant routes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Fiber to one spot is cheaper than fiber to hundreds. Fiber to the rest comes gradually. Plus, most of the time, the fiber is already there or near. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 2/14/2012 10:07 AM, Troy Settle wrote: Curious... we build wireless because we can't get fiber 'out there.' In fact, we're using wireless backhaul to feed FTTH. If you're needing wireless for last-mile, how are you getting fiber to the tower itself? Why not just fiber to the home? -Troy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual polarity equipment. More spectrum for customer access means more bits able to be moved. If I have a gig of wireless backhaul coming into a tower, that's a gig I could be using to make me money. I'd like to have 50 - 100 megabit plans for my broadband customers and gig+ level dedicated customers. I'm not using the cable or telcos, I'm using unique, usually redundant routes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: [snip] I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) I predict you'll see it well before that. Someone else in the thread mentioned Comcast and Time Warner planning to roll out thousands of access points. Remember that both of these companies are also in the cellular game now. What's (one of) the biggest problem(s) cellular carriers are facing right now? The explosion in data traffic. They *need* to offload as much data traffic off of their networks as they can. They simply cannot handle the projected long-term growth in data traffic. Enter 802.11u. -- Jeremy L. Gaddise: jer...@as54225.net Network Engineerm: +1.812.865.0581 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Fellas, build a business plan around and obvious need of the operators And remember that by wifi , they mean n and future versions which use 2.4 and 5.x ghz Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to the AP with the new Ubiquiti revolutionary radio? :) On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not! :-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
I am just making a prediction. I believe those with infrastructure in the air and the ground will be deploying these micro-cell platforms like crazy. Will you? Do you now? Scriv On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to the AP with the new Ubiquiti revolutionary radio? :) On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not! :-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/27/2012 9:23 AM, Roger Howard wrote: Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to the AP with the new Ubiquiti revolutionary radio? :) On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012 10:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.comwrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a huge selling point for us in competing with the ILEC and cable company! On 01/27/2012 03:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual polarity equipment. More spectrum for customer access means more bits able to be moved. If I have a gig of wireless backhaul coming into a tower, that's a gig I could be using to make me money. I'd like to have 50 - 100 megabit plans for my broadband customers and gig+ level dedicated customers. I'm not using the cable or telcos, I'm using unique, usually redundant routes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/27/2012 2:36 PM, Bret Clark wrote: You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a huge selling point for us in competing with the ILEC and cable company! On 01/27/2012 03:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
With 10 to 18,000 nodes in a cable citywide deployment you will not have enough spectrum to do that. These new deployments are hard wiring every node to their infrastructure either DOCSIS or fiber. The feature of that is just that your footprint to the end user gets smaller with more interference, your backhaul does not get bothered. Whoever can still connect in the face of interference can still move traffic. New consumer devices with Wi-Fi are being built to use BOTH 2.4 and 5GHz bands. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a huge selling point for us in competing with the ILEC and cable company! On 01/27/2012 03:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-networks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future of WiFi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi
John, I think this will happen faster than you predict. With the Lucent light radio being software defined the technology already exists to do this. Carrier engineering departments are just a bit slow to change. Carriers have to look at the Pico cell design to increase capacity by more frequency reuse in smaller footprints. Their challenge right know as you suggest if the fiber to the pole infrastructure to serve these Pico cells. To a certain extent they can do this now with the cable companies. These Bellaire radios have docsis modems built right in and they are working on power over coax to run the node radios. It's not a big stretch to change out the Wi-Fi radio with an LTE Pico radio at all. You are spot on with your understanding of how things will evolve. Technically it's a no brainer. The interesting part will be the business models, partnerships and/or roaming type agreements. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: The large mobile carrier equipment companies will supply Wifi solutions to the national players who will then build Wifi micro-cell infrastructure out using this commodity priced platform. Then these same equipment makers will develop a New and Improved line of pico-base LTE boxes at a better margin than the Wifi-only APs but much less than their LTE macro-base equivalents. Cellcos, cablecos, etc. will then replace their Wifi-only micro-cell APs with dual mode Wifi and LTE pico-bases to enable the benefits of Wifi and cellular both while removing the disadvantages from either platform for their needs. I believe that this move will enable the melding of fixed and mobile wireless broadband enabling WISPs to finally get into this dual game. Those best positioned to take advantage of this will be fiber to the home operators who are also WISPs who will then build out Fiber to the Access Point and deliver the Last 1000 feet wirelessly to their customers. With an infrastructure model like this ISPs can deliver the capacity needed for customers to supply voice, video and data while eliminating one of the terribly expensive parts of the FTTH platform invoking the drops to the homes. I predict we'll see all this come to pass by 2017-18. We'll see how clear my crystal ball is in a few years. I hope you guys will remember this then and be sure to pull it up and make fun of me for being so far offor not!:-) John Scrivner On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: In a sure sign that the cellular industry is getting serious about Wi-Fi, telecom networking giant Ericsson is buying BelAir Networks, adding its high-performance outdoor hotspot technology to its portfolio, sources told GigaOM. The deal could signal a big shift in the mindset of the big wireless vendors, which have always favored their own specialized and expensive cellular technologies to meet growing mobile data demand rather than more generic but much cheaper Wi-Fi tech... http://gigaom.com/broadband/ericsson-pursuing-wi-fi-with-belair-netwo rks-buy/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP Community since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
