Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-02-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I saw the spectrum analysis software at the last Ubiquiti conference in 
Las Vegas.

It is excellent.   It is also a simple firmware upgrade to certain 
radios.  I like the idea of being able to take an AP offline for a short 
time to run an analysis on the sector antenna to see what noise looks 
like.   Similar to what Trangos used to do, but this one is a really 
nice interface and readout on your PC screen.   It is very good.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
wirelesscowboys.com
wispdirectory.com

Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Jayson,
>
> If that turns out to be the case, it would of course be very exciting for 
> the industry.
>
> But, so far, both Ubiquiti and Atheros had been silent about this topic.
> Our (unofficial and non-expert) investigation inferred that Atheros chipset 
> AR9220 series (Mikrotik) has Spectrum analyzer support and last generation 
> AR9160 (Ubiquiti) does not.
> >From what I understood this was a chipset or chipset middleware limit, not 
> an Operating System Firmware thing.
> So how does Ubiquiti plan to accomplish this? A Hardware upgrade?
>
> It would be great if I were wrong. Was this new news from the recent 
> Ubiquiti conferences?
>
>   
>> It's sweet.  I can't wait.
>> 
>
> It would have to hear other than 802.11, it would have to hear when not 
> associated, it would have to hear any channel size.
>
> Have you seen it? Are there Betas?
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jayson Baker" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
>
>   
>> Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO
>> equipment.
>> Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as 
>> good
>> as our $30k HP analyzer.
>> Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the
>> antenna.
>> Can even run while the radio is in use and connected, but at a slower 
>> rate.
>> It's sweet.  I can't wait.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is
>>> LICENSED
>>> spectrum.
>>>
>>> But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable
>>> backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
>>> The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. 
>>> For
>>> any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without
>>> hesitation.
>>> Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel
>>> easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up
>>> with
>>> a Dual Pol panel.
>>> I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for
>>> manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.
>>>
>>> I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans 
>>> now,
>>> and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if
>>> Interference is ever received.
>>> But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.
>>>
>>> I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are 
>>> a
>>> ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
>>>> than a neighboring Trango Apex link.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
>>>>> feed
>>>>> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>>>>>
>>>>> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
>>>>> DS3
>>>>> Link!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gino A. Villari

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
That I agree with. But not a favor of RSTP for Wireless redundancy. Both 
PRimary and Secondary link need to be able to be monitored in real time, 
otherwise you cant guarantee the secondary link will be working when the 
first one fails.  Often to prevent bridgeloop, one link has to be turned 
down with RSTP, thus easier with routing..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


>I could not agree more!
> _
> Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com
>  Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
> Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>> No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive 
>> equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a 
>> second redundant link in running something like RSTP or OSPF.
>>
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>> Whatever rocks your world!
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of George Morris
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.
>>>
>>> The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
>>> properly.
>>>
>>> I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
>>> gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't
>>> really
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> Yikes right back at ya.
>>> George
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
>>> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti....
>>>
>>> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
>>> Link!
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
>>>> able
>>>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
>>>> you
>>>> for free if you wish.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>>>
>>>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>> 502-722-9292
>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>>
>>>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
>>>> such
>

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
Jayson,

If that turns out to be the case, it would of course be very exciting for 
the industry.

But, so far, both Ubiquiti and Atheros had been silent about this topic.
Our (unofficial and non-expert) investigation inferred that Atheros chipset 
AR9220 series (Mikrotik) has Spectrum analyzer support and last generation 
AR9160 (Ubiquiti) does not.
>From what I understood this was a chipset or chipset middleware limit, not 
an Operating System Firmware thing.
So how does Ubiquiti plan to accomplish this? A Hardware upgrade?

It would be great if I were wrong. Was this new news from the recent 
Ubiquiti conferences?

> It's sweet.  I can't wait.

It would have to hear other than 802.11, it would have to hear when not 
associated, it would have to hear any channel size.

Have you seen it? Are there Betas?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jayson Baker" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


> Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO
> equipment.
> Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as 
> good
> as our $30k HP analyzer.
> Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the
> antenna.
> Can even run while the radio is in use and connected, but at a slower 
> rate.
> It's sweet.  I can't wait.
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
>
>> MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is
>> LICENSED
>> spectrum.
>>
>> But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable
>> backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
>> The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. 
>> For
>> any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without
>> hesitation.
>> Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel
>> easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up
>> with
>> a Dual Pol panel.
>> I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for
>> manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.
>>
>> I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans 
>> now,
>> and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if
>> Interference is ever received.
>> But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.
>>
>> I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are 
>> a
>> ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>
>>
>> > We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
>> > than a neighboring Trango Apex link.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Chuck
>> >
>> > On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
>> >> feed
>> >> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti....
>> >>
>> >> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
>> >> DS3
>> >> Link!
>> >>
>> >> Gino A. Villarini
>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> >> 787.273.4143
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> >> On
>> >> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
>> >> To: WISPA General List
>> >> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off
>> >> list.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>> >>
>> >>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> >>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General Lis

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
Agreed as well, I wasn't trying to say that the Apex wasn't as good as
the MT.  My point was that at some point different backhauls have their
issues and I wasn't trying to say that they are better or worse, just
that a $10k link from them doesn't necessarily mean more stability.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is
LICENSED 
spectrum.

But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable 
backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable.
For 
any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without 
hesitation.
Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz
channel 
easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up
with 
a Dual Pol panel.
I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for

manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.

I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans
now, 
and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if 
Interference is ever received.
But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.

I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are
a 
ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


> We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
> than a neighboring Trango Apex link.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
>
>> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
>> feed
>> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>>
>> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
>> DS3
>> Link!
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off
>> list.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>>
>>
>>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
>>> able
>>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
>>> you
>>> for free if you wish.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>>
>>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
>>> such
>>> a
>>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it
fine.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to
>>> g

[WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jeremie Chism
Thanks for all the input.  It is greatly appreciated.


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: RickG 
> Date: January 31, 2010 4:02:20 PM CST
> To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>

> And the lawyer write and/or review the agreement!
> -RickG
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:38 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I think you forgot the most expensive part.  Insurance
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glenn Kelley 
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:28:18
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> Most towns will allow this - however they may charge you a few fees.
>>
>> 1.  Franchise Fee:  This can be tricky.   Some locales will request  
>> to know
>> the number of clients going through the link and then charge you a  
>> flat fee
>> per client.  If you take a look at your catv bill (and others) you  
>> may
>> notice a franchise fee.   While this is a general overview - it kinda
>> explains it.
>> 2.  Permit Fee:  self explanatory
>> 3.  Interconnect / Cross Over Fees
>>
>> Overall most of the time these are not expensive - what might be is  
>> the
>> interconnect / cross over fees the facility may charge - but of  
>> course
>> chances are if your going to the roof or to a pole - you will have  
>> those
>> fees.
>>
>> If you contemplate fiber (which imho is a great choice due to the  
>> yield of
>> bandwidth ) there are two camps of thought.
>>
>> A.  Get just what you need today
>> B.  Plan for tomorrow...
>>
>> Either way its best to use an outdoor construction cable as well as  
>> one
>> that is built to be stranded between buildings and/or poles:  loose  
>> tube
>> construction perhaps might be best for the application - just make  
>> sure you
>> grab the gel-filled vs empty or dry-block if you plan for this long  
>> term.
>> If this is planned to be long term use and is a primary back haul I  
>> suggest
>> doing it right the first time.
>>
>> Questions - feel free to ask on the list - or off :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> _
 

>> Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com
>> Email: gl...@hostmedic.com
>> Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2010, at 1:59 PM, John Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Midnight overhead fiber run...  :-)
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Jeremie Chism wrote:
 I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
 company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have  
 to get
 it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something  
 reliable at
 that range.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Robert West

Same here.  High price doesn't denote high quality.  Besides, high price tag
items can blow up the same as lower priced ones.  

MT and UBNT work just fine.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.

The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
properly.

I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't really
necessary.

Yikes right back at ya.
George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
Link!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>

> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
> you
> for free if you wish.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>
> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Glenn Kelley
I could not agree more! 
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On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

> No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive equipment 
> or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a second redundant 
> link in running something like RSTP or OSPF. 
> 
> 
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>> Whatever rocks your world!
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of George Morris
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>> 
>> Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.
>> 
>> The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
>> properly.
>> 
>> I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
>> gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't
>> really
>> necessary.
>> 
>> Yikes right back at ya.
>> George 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>> 
>> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
>> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>> 
>> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
>> Link!
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>   
>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>   
>>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
>>> able
>>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
>>> you
>>> for free if you wish.
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>> 
>>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>> 
>>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
>>> such
>>> a
>>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>>> 
>>> Bob-
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>> 
>>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
>>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>>> that range.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- 
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> WISPA 

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jayson Baker
Wait until you see the next release of firmware for the Ubiquiti MIMO
equipment.
Built-in spectrum analyzer, 1x better than Mikrotik, and almost as good
as our $30k HP analyzer.
Runs on the unit itself, while it's installed, in place, connected to the
antenna.
Can even run while the radio is in use and connected, but at a slower rate.
It's sweet.  I can't wait.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is
> LICENSED
> spectrum.
>
> But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable
> backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
> The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. For
> any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without
> hesitation.
> Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel
> easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up
> with
> a Dual Pol panel.
> I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for
> manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.
>
> I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans now,
> and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if
> Interference is ever received.
> But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.
>
> I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are a
> ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
>
> > We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
> > than a neighboring Trango Apex link.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
> >> feed
> >> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
> >>
> >> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
> >> DS3
> >> Link!
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> g...@aeronetpr.com
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> 787.273.4143
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
> >>
> >> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off
> >> list.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> >>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >>>
> >>
> >>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
> >>> able
> >>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
> >>> you
> >>> for free if you wish.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
> >>>
> >>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Chuck Hogg
> >>> Shelby Broadband
> >>> 502-722-9292
> >>> ch...@shelbybb.com
> >>> http://www.shelbybb.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Robert West
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> >>> To: 'WISPA General List'
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> >>>
> >>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
> >>> such
> >>> a
> >>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
> >>>
> >>> Bob-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread richard sterne
You don’t say what the distance is, But if you have the height to
clear the road you could  use a steel cable to support a fibre?

Richard



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Tom DeReggi
MT is not a replacement for an APEX, since the value of the APEX is LICENSED 
spectrum.

But, I share Chuck's praise for MT. WISPs have been running reliable 
backbones on unlicenced spectrum and MT successfully for years.
The new MT hardware and Firmwares are really nice and plenty reliable. For 
any link 50mbps or less, I'd select an Unlicensed solution without 
hesitation.
Specifically, MT w/ WDS and NStreme will do 30mbps HDX on a 20Mhz channel 
easilly. As well, if you use the latest N class mPCI, you can set it up with 
a Dual Pol panel.
I personally do not like Mimo configs much, but I like using N cards for 
manual on-the-fly polarity change/selection.

I prefer the MT over the Ubiquiti, because the MT can do channel scans now, 
and thats important to be able to quickly identify free channels if 
Interference is ever received.
But I really like the Ubiquiti antennas, that make DP inexpensive.

I personally prefer Tlink-45s, which are a great radio, because they are a 
ready to go solution.  But off-promo MT can save you a few dollars.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul


> We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability
> than a neighboring Trango Apex link.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
>
>> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone
>> feed
>> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>>
>> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed
>> DS3
>> Link!
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off
>> list.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>>
>>
>>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
>>> able
>>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
>>> you
>>> for free if you wish.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>>
>>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck Hogg
>>> Shelby Broadband
>>> 502-722-9292
>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
>>> such
>>> a
>>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>>
>>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to
>>> get
>>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>>> that range.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Jayson Baker
True.  All our links are redundant and have multiple diverse paths.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

>  No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive
> equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a second
> redundant link in running something like RSTP or OSPF.
>
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> Whatever rocks your world!
>
> Gino A. villarini...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of George Morris
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
> Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.
>
> The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
> properly.
>
> I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
> gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't
> really
> necessary.
>
> Yikes right back at ya.
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>
> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
> Link!
>
> Gino A. villarini...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
>  From: "Chuck Hogg"  
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List  
>
> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
> you
> for free if you wish.
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>
> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292ch...@shelbybb.comhttp://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ]
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ]
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
> that range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Chuck Hogg
We do as well. One of our MT links has more stability and reliability  
than a neighboring Trango Apex link.

Regards,
Chuck

On Jan 30, 2010, at 11:38 PM, "Gino Villarini"   
wrote:

> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone  
> feed
> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>
> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed  
> DS3
> Link!
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off  
> list.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>
>
>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
>> able
>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
>> you
>> for free if you wish.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>
>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
>> such
>> a
>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to  
>> get
>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>> that range.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-31 Thread Bret Clark




No critical link should ever be standalone whether using expensive
equipment or using lower cost equipment. Always a good idea to put a
second redundant link in running something like RSTP or OSPF. 


Gino Villarini wrote:

  Whatever rocks your world!

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.

The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
properly.

I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't
really
necessary.

Yikes right back at ya.
George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
Link!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

  
  
From: "Chuck Hogg" 
Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
Reply-To: WISPA General List 


  
  
  
  
We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
able
to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
you
for free if you wish.

http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn

WISPA Members get free assembly.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
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On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
such
a
short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.

Bob-


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On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul

I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
that range.

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread Philip Dorr
We do. We haven't had any Ubiquti back hauls get damaged, but have had
one side of a Dragonwave 6Ghz link die

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
> to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti
>
> Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
> Link!
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
>> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>
>
>> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be
>> able
>> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for
>> you
>> for free if you wish.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>>
>> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck Hogg
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 502-722-9292
>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at
>> such
>> a
>> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>> that range.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Whatever rocks your world!

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of George Morris
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:54 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.

The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
properly.

I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't
really
necessary.

Yikes right back at ya.
George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
Link!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>

> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
> you
> for free if you wish.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>
> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
> that range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread George Morris
Actually, we do Gino and have never had a problem.

The latest generation of MT gear is pretty near bulletproof if deployed
properly.

I suspect there are quite a few people here that run their businesses on
gear that you would turn you nose up at, so your condescension isn't really
necessary.

Yikes right back at ya.
George 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
Link!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>

> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
> you
> for free if you wish.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>
> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
> that range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Not to sound like a jerk, but who would trust they're main backbone feed
to a Mikrotik or Ubiquiti

Yikes! Please get something reliable like a Bridgewave or a Licensed DS3
Link!

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>

> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
> you
> for free if you wish.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
>
> WISPA Members get free assembly.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck Hogg
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com
> http://www.shelbybb.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:47 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to get
> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
> that range.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread lakeland
Btw. The lease is a 5yr lease
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jeremie Chism 
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:39:57 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd:  Short range backhaul

It's hard to turn down a ds3 for 2k a month. Just had to figure this  
part out.

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> From: lakel...@gbcx.net
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:29:07 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List 
>

> You can get a brand new 38 GHz DS3 hop on Ebay for less than a grand
>
> For another grand you lease the radio channel and you're done.
>
> Gives you DS3 out to your router.
>
> Less than $2K for the real deal.
>
> Or I have a Proxim DS3 or 45 MHz link used for a great price off list.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:02:26
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> It's a ds3 connection so 45 Meg. I want something reliable but cost
> effective.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Can you give us more info? Bridgewave or Eband would be great. They
>> have the
>> highest throughput. What frequencies are available and how much
>> bandwidth
>> are you looking for. Lastly, what is the ballpark budget for the
>> project.
>> This can be done from $700 up to $35,000. In other words there are a
>> ton of
>> options.
>>
>> Mike Goicoechea
>> VP of Operations
>> Cielo Systems International
>> 806-977-9001 ext 101
>> 806-763-1945 fax
>> Skype Mike.Goik
>> m...@cielosystems.net
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:47 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to  
>> get
>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>> that range.
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[WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread Jeremie Chism
It's hard to turn down a ds3 for 2k a month. Just had to figure this  
part out.

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> From: lakel...@gbcx.net
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:29:07 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
> Reply-To: lakel...@gbcx.net, WISPA General List 
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> You can get a brand new 38 GHz DS3 hop on Ebay for less than a grand
>
> For another grand you lease the radio channel and you're done.
>
> Gives you DS3 out to your router.
>
> Less than $2K for the real deal.
>
> Or I have a Proxim DS3 or 45 MHz link used for a great price off list.
>
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:02:26
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>
> It's a ds3 connection so 45 Meg. I want something reliable but cost
> effective.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Mike Goicoechea" 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you give us more info? Bridgewave or Eband would be great. They
>> have the
>> highest throughput. What frequencies are available and how much
>> bandwidth
>> are you looking for. Lastly, what is the ballpark budget for the
>> project.
>> This can be done from $700 up to $35,000. In other words there are a
>> ton of
>> options.
>>
>> Mike Goicoechea
>> VP of Operations
>> Cielo Systems International
>> 806-977-9001 ext 101
>> 806-763-1945 fax
>> Skype Mike.Goik
>> m...@cielosystems.net
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:47 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
>>
>> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
>> company there is giving me a great deal on bandwidth but I have to  
>> get
>> it across to the tower. Any recommendations for something reliable at
>> that range.
>>
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[WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-01-30 Thread Jeremie Chism
Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look and contact you off list.

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> From: "Chuck Hogg" 
> Date: January 30, 2010 9:20:01 PM CST
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
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> We are a vendor member and a WISP.  On a short range, you should be  
> able
> to use this MT kit just fine.  We will support and configure it for  
> you
> for free if you wish.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ydzrgfn
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> WISPA Members get free assembly.
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:16 PM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Short range backhaul
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> The UBNT Rocket dish but at such short range, overkill.  Really, at  
> such
> a
> short hop even a bullet and a grid or the AirGrid would work it fine.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> I have a pop across the street from one of my towers. The phone
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